O.J. Atogwe: Pursue or No?
Oshiomogho Atogwe is a restricted free agent from St. Louis. He was the Rams' franchise player a year ago but only received the lowest tender possible, the right of first refusal. That means the Rams may match any offer another team makes but receive no compensation if he walks.
This seems like a match made in heaven to me. Atogwe is only 28 years old. He showed remarkable durability starting 62 straight games before a 2009 shoulder injury. Much like Kerry Rhodes, the only reason he has never been to a Pro Bowl is reputation of other players trumping results on the field. He's been a real playmakers for St. Louis' defense with 19 interceptions in those 62 starts since 2006. He's perhaps not as much of a pure cover safety as Rhodes but has been more of a playmaker. He can handle most backs and tight ends adequately.
The Rams didn't ask him to rush the passer much, but he did either pressure or hit the opposing quarterback on about one third of his blitzes in 2009. He was generally effective in that role. If there's a knock on him, it's his run defense. He's a pretty hard hitter but doesn't always take the best path to ball carriers and can get himself out of position, which is somewhat troubling on the last line of defense. Then again, the Jets aren't exactly going to miss Rhodes in run support all that much.
The good is he'll only cost money for compensation. The bad is the Jets will need to outbid the Rams and other suitors. The good is Mike Tannenbaum is usually pretty decisive when bidding against others. The bad is there has been little word of the Jets pursuing Atogwe to date. The good is the Rams wouldn't franchise him again for a one year deal around $7 million so why would they match a long term offer with that as a first year salary?The bad is that's probably overpaying him.
I think the Rhodes trade has left the Jets with little choice but to overpay for a guy like this. One reason I was against the deal was it left a gaping hole. Atogwe would fill that hole well. You could argue having Atogwe and a fourth round pick is better than just having Rhodes.
I vote pursue.
How do you vote?
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Yes. No brainer here.
Giants screwed us by setting the market so high. He can claim to be as good as Antrel Rolle.
We're going to have to buy high if we want to get him anyway
That whole right-of-first-refusal thing sucks. I wonder if poison pills are still allowed…
I think they are but there are limitations…..
I would give him a high first year salary and then balance it out later, they obviously don’t want to be paying much for him. He is the best option, by a long way.
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With all the cuts...
that your GM has made you should be able to afford him and it would be great seeing another Canuck in a Jets uniform.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 9, 2010 10:41 AM EST reply actions
Really doubt this happens
Lots of variables here; on the surface it sounds good, paying for a good player, filling a hole, and not giving up a pick. But I’m not sure Rex is looking for a safety who’s sub par in coverage when Smith and Ihedigbo carry the same liability. Another question mark is this issue of closing the checkbook (who knows where we’re going with this and why, but if the team was intent on cutting expenses but remaining competitive, why not dump Gholston and keep TJ?). Maybe we’re kidding ourselves hoping for a free-agent splash and the Jets are just saving up to re-sign some core players whose contracts are up next season…
I honestly think that we’re going to roll with eric smith, dwight lowery, and somebody in the later rounds (like the 4th from arizona via baltimore) and let them compete in training camp for the spot. I like TJ Ward personally…
I think I would be alright with that, I just have a feeling that Mike is going to mortgage our draft, to trade up for Taylor Mays.
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I have mixed feelings on mays. I liked him pre-combine and thought of him as possibly the right pick for us at the end of the first if we shopped rhodes, but I feel like his combine will push him up obviously to possibly up to as high as maybe 17 with san fran or 18 with pittsburgh b/c even though they might re-sign ryan clark, he is aging so you never know. I would say that if he is at green bay’s pick, then maybe trade for him (if gb doesn’t take him b/c bigby and collins are ok but their upside is limited). Either philly or baltimore would definitely take him since philly’s safeties are ok at best and baltimore obviously might lose landry and reed could be gone by next year. I mean, if we could get away with say our first and our two fourths (i believe we still have our 4th plus the one from the rhodes trade), i think that it’s worth if tanny is confident that we could get a pass rusher and a slot receiver with our later picks, but otherwise, I feel like going safety late is a good idea b/c a large amount of quality safeties come from the later rounds anyways. I like TJ Ward b/c although he is a SS by trade, I think he has the physically makeup of a free safety in regards to coverage. He’s also hard hitting which is a plus in blitz packages.
How did 16 percent say no?
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Dolphins fans are looking at him now that Clark said no to them, and we all know they had a class visit last night, so likely a lot of it is from them.
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Good point.
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Just as a note, I asked Manish earlier this morning if there were even any rumors, any hints that the Jets were looking at Atogwe, and he said that there was nothing at all all yet.
I’m actually a little surprised that his name has not been thrown around a bit.
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So, that leaves us with we currently have, the draft, or a trade. What do you think our next best option is? Eric Smith played well enough so I wouldn’t consider it a big hole. I’m okay with we have. With Cromartie coming in, I expect our defense to be, at the very least, just as good as last year’s despite giving up on Rhodes.
It’s always hard to replicate and have the best defense again, but I agree with you that it will still be good. Right now people are twisting my arm about possibly moving Dwight Lowery to that position, although that would make our safety tandem very small. Although Mike says that he is happy with the current crop of players we have, I just can’t imagine us not making a move at all. I’m thinking that we start hearing some rumors soon, Mike has been dormant for 48 hours now, and that’s not like him.
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You do get the feeling that it’s like the calm before the storm, huh? Even if we don’t do anything, I still like how we look. Anything we end up doing would be a bonus.
What would Lowery provide at safety that E.Smith can’t? I’m not sure what upgrade he would provide, but if he were moved, then we’d have to pick up another CB. I wouldn’t mind a small safety tandem. Heck, our secondary was smaller than all of the SD receivers, but we managed pretty well there. Semi-related comment: I love Revis’ technique of grabbing the arm away when he couldn’t reach the ball in that game. I think someone else did it too, but I can remember who.
I think it is more the ball hawk mentality that Lowery has, in college he was good making reads on the ball and going up and making a play, where as Eric is more your tough, reliable, you might catch it, but your not going much further type of safety. Obviously covering Lowery will have the edge being a corner.
I think we probably bring in one veteran corner and draft one as well, that’s if we move Dwight to the safety position. You know as soon as we get into all this, Mike T will go and pull a deal out for a safety to put all the rumors to bed.
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In terms of what Eric gives up in coverage, do you think he makes up for that in run support (in comparison to Dwight)? I’m trying to compare the overall ability. Basically, does having Dwight in bolster the coverage but weaken the run support as opposed to vice versa with Eric?
I know this is all conjecture (I doubt we’re moving Dwight, at least this year), but I’m just curious.
Really couldn’t say because not seen much of Dwight’s run coverage, he seems like a solid tackler though. Would have to see more of him in the safety position to really know what he brings opposed to what Eric does, but right now his coverage ability is definitely the main +
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If it actually came down to it,
I would be okay with a sort of Smith/Lowery platoon, with Smith playing running downs and Lowery playing passing down. I think we pick up somebody though.
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I'm really hoping we sign him
to me he’s an ideal replacement. I’m afraid the Jets are going to choose Pool in order too save money.
Even if we go with Pool and he ends up getting hurt, Lowery could step in for him along with Smith and Ihedigbo. Smith got a lot of playing time last year and I seem to recall us still having the best passing defense in the league. I don’t think we’re going to lose games because we’re average or even a little below average in one safety position considering our pass rush and our corners. Plus, disregarding the injury issues, I think Pool might be better than Atogwe, although to be fair it’s not like I’ve watched very many Browns or Rams games so I can’t really speak on that.

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