Jets Interested in Coles
by John B on Mar 8, 2010 8:09 AM EST
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Anybody interested in a 3.0 version of Laveranues Coles? The Jets apparently are.
With at least one opening in their thin receiving corps, the Jets haven't ruled out the possibility of re-signing Coles for a third stint with the team, the Daily News has learned.
I know this probably wouldn't be the most popular move, but it's worth exploring. Is Coles starting material anymore? I doubt it. Does he need to be to potentially make it worth it? Absolutely not. Coles needs to be able to work the slot, run good routes, and give the team an option over the middle. He could do that.
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It depends on his attitude I guess. If he wants to coast and just retire a jet then I say Its a waste. But If he can play the slot well enough for two years and Is willing to put his body on the line then the team could use the POSSIBLE Shippley or Tate pick for mabye moving up in the draft or something else all together. Is Coles an upgrade over Clowney? YES. But is he enuff to keep us from drafting a great WR? Im not sold on that.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Coles again. The guy is tough. If we can get him for a good price, why not?
He and Cotchery made a great tandem, and although he’ll be the third option this time around, I think he’ll be a good influence on Braylon and the receivers.
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I would take Coles and still draft a receiver. Less pressure on that receiver coming in and a clear route into the team with Coles only being good for a year or two. I would try and land him on a one year deal. If he has a good attitude, understands that he won’t get those outside routes, why not bring him in, he can still catch the ball, and he is just one more player the defence has to worry about.
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Was going to come in and say the exact same thing. Draft Shipley, bring in Coles for a 1-year deal if he’s willing. He seems to be interested in doing whatever it will take to come here.
And initially I was against the idea, but have come to think it would work this way now.
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I guess I'm not totally opposed, but it's not my preference.
We’ve done the Coles thing. Twice. Good player in his prime, great rhythm with Pennington. Tough receiver.
It’s going to have to be a pretty limited deal, and if he can be a decent 3 (or a very good 4), then I guess bring him in. This team can use an impact player in the slot, though. Coles would be serviceable, but I’m not convinced he’d be much better than that.
Why not just get Marshall and put J-Co in the slot?
Braylon, Marshall, J-Co and Keller. Anyone really want to have to defend that?
Anyone want to live with that hassle?
No thanks, I will take Cotchery/Edwards/Keller/Coles/Shipley and a First rounder over that any day.
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If this team is intending on drafting Shipley in the 2nd I wouldn’t bother with Coles then. I would rather Shipley get as many reps with Sanchez and the first team offense as possible. Im not sure im crazy about Sanchez wasting reps with an older WR with a one year deal when he could be spending more time in practice with a guy whos actually gonna be here for the long haul.
Can you guaranty that Braylon won’t blow up anyway? He threw the OC underthe bus after the AFCC. The risk is already built in.
Give me Braylon, Marshall, Keller, J-Co, and Shipley. Thats just sick. If there’s any injuries they’re easily absorbed. If we’re on the cusp of a Superbowl lets go after it.
And we don’t want to deal with BS, why even entertain Coles. The guy is a drama queen. If we’re gonna deal with it at least trade it for production (Marshall).
Coles has been nothing but productive as a Jet. I don’t see him as a drama queen. He didn’t like the penguin and he didn’t like how the team treated Chad but he still showed up to play and caught the ball.
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I'd love him in the slot
he still has some gas, and perform’s at a high level, when he gets the ball thrown to him he catches it, has proven to be able to get the tough yards over the middle, and not to bad after the catch
Short term gap receiver
Coles makes sense for the short haul while the Jets look for a receiver throught the draft. Marshall makes good print for the site, but even if he were the right guy, is our QB seasoned enough to make full use of his abilities?
Not a knock on Sanchez, but I’m not sure he’d be able to read the field well enough at this stage in his career to make a move for Marshall pay off on the field.
For a guy who is probably in the 3 or 4 best receivers on the planet,
man Brandon Marshall gets dogged here a lot. I wonder if people realize that they don’t have to trash Brandon Marshall to prove that the like Braylon Edwards. The two don’t go hand in hand. Braylon in my boy and I’m glad he is here, I just don’t see why that means we have to rip down Marshall to make Edwards look better by comparison. Just like Nick Folk/Jay Feely and just like Charles Woodson/Darrelle Revis. Marshall is a beast, nothing we say about Edwards changes that.
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The reason why
There are really two questions: what you think of Brandon Marshall, and whether you want him on your team or not. If you don’t want him, you feel like you have to explain why.
My opinion in a nutshell: yes, he’s an absolute beast with great production, but right now I feel like Edwards is a better team player.
Arent we taking his litle hissy fit from last year out of proportion. I was guilty of this myself, but now that i think about it, I don’t remeber hearing about him being a bad teammate before the ballboy incident. I don’t think he threw his teammates or coaches under the bus. He cried out for money and handled that situation poorly, and he apologized for that and admitted it was stupid and immature. But he was a model teammate after that. His nutbag coach benched him bc he didnt believe he had a hammy issue at the end of the season. Which is just silly. You don’t question an athlete, your best player at that, with those kinds of issues.
He’s getting a bad rap for being a bad team guy bc of his cooky coach. Get him out of Denver and away from the death of his good friend and teammate, and into a positive winning environment with a strong veteran presence and a strong head coach and the guy will be fine. You can say he’s a bad seed and his past legal troubles will follow him to NY and could be an unnecessary distraction. But the man isn’t a bad teammate. I think he’ll leave all that stuff behind him in Denver.
I don’t doubt Marshall’s talent, his legal trouble bothers me, if your a bad apple you could find trouble in a small town in Iowa if you wanted to let alone New York, I think he is a bad apple, not saying he is a bad team mate, although his general character concerns worry me about the impact he could have on a young QB if he becomes unhappy with his targets. Those are genuine issues, but they are circumstantial, here stands my main problem.
We already have a good outside receiving game, yes you could say bring in Cotch to the inside, but he does such a good job sealing the edge blocking wise, and using that route running to get open on sideline routes when we need him. Do we need to add another top of the line receiver, for the money and draft pick it would take? Yes it would be a fantastic receiving core on paper, but I think it would be unnecessary, running a team like a Madden franchise, you don’t need all this star power to win a Championship, our receiving core is good as it is, that is not the area we need to look to improve with our first round pick, it might not even be an issue we need to look at until the 5th round.
His legal problems are worrying, his potential attitude playing for a run first team is a concern, his drops are problematic. I just believe that a first round pick will benefit this team more being used either on the defensive line or for a pass rusher.
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I agree.
I’m not saying let’s go get Marshall right now (although I wouldn’t be upset). I totally understand the idea he isn’t needed here, and why, to some people, they feel it would be an unnecessary risk. He is a wonderful receiver though, and if we needed a big time wide out, some how I don’t think people would be trashing Marshall so much.
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The stuff he pulled in denver is goin to follow him wherever he goes. And because of that, peoples opinion of him will be polarized. What makes it even worse is that his whole acting-out event was caught on tape and splashed all over espn for weeks. Everyone and their mother saw him punting footballs and acting like an ass infront of his team.
3 years from now If you asked a handfull of AVERAGE football fans “Who set the league record for most receptions in a game with 21?”. Most ppl wouldn’t know it was Marshall. But if you ask a bunch of random dudes “Who was that guy on ESPN punting balls in practice and acting like an ass?” I would bet a lot of ppl would remember who it was. .
Unfortunatly for Brandon, football is in a state of acountability. With guys acting out in night clubs and keeping less then favorable company around them, every little thing is magnified. The Comish is cracking down on ALL OF THIS crap with harsher and harsher penalties that hurt the players AND the team.
Brandon Marshall has been available for a while now. And nobody is picking him up. He just left the Bengals without a deal. And the Bengals REALLY need a WR with his talent alot more than the Jets do
Acting out on your own time is one thing. But if you act out on TV in front of your team and cause a distraction to what your team is trying to do that season WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE BALANCE. Nobody is going to want to touch you especially if your walkin around lookin for a huge payday.
I dont think the jets can handle taking on this guy. The draft pick, possible distractions, cost for his contract, and young QB that might not be able to handle his ego or demanding of the ball make him too risky.
My impression from last year
Is that when the benching took place Marshall practically demanded to be traded. Sportswriters had the clear impression he would be out of Denver in the offseason.
Of course McDaniels is a nut case, his problem is that he’s a coach who thinks he’s a player and can / should act like one. However I think more people criticized McDaniels than Marshall at the time because Marshall is a talented player with huge production, and McDaniels is a young coach. Reverse the roles and the player would have taken all the heat.
On the other hand, Braylon was also expected to be a problem guy and he has worked out fine. I have the feeling Rex is better at getting his players to be disciplined without the kind of antics McDaniels resorts to.
I’m not trashing Marshall here. I said I think Edwards is a better team player. Does Marshall block on running downs?
Otherwise I agree with David W.
I know he wanted out but he didnt make a big stink about it, I dont even recall any quotes. It was just kind of generally assumed bc he had wanted out before the season started.
Idk if Marshall blocks in the run game. Idk if Braylon did either before he got here. If he didnt before, he might after watching the other guys do it. Its kind ofthe status quo around here.
If Braylon was asked to mentor him, it might work out for everybody. Braylon might respond well to be given a leadership role. And Brandon might respond to not having to be the go-to guy all the time. Braylon is more concientious about his words and actions bc he doesnt want to be a bad influence. While Brandon is on a good team and gets relieved of a lot of the pressure to carry the team like in Denver, but at the same time he gets to perform on a big stage in a big city.
3 years from now If you asked a handfull of AVERAGE football fans "Who set the league record for most receptions in a game with 21?". Most ppl wouldn’t know it was Marshall. But if you ask a bunch of random dudes "Who was that guy on ESPN punting balls in practice and acting like an ass?" I would bet a lot of ppl would remember who it was.
One, I don’t think that is true, and two, who cares what the average fan thinks about Marshall? The average fan also might know about Brian Westbrooks concussion problems, so should we sign him to be our feature back? Fortunately, Mike T and any good GM do not care how the average fan is going to take something. Not to mention, that whole point is just a subjective opinion based on what you feel the average fan may or may not remember.
Brandon Marshall has been available for a while now. And nobody is picking him up. He just left the Bengals without a deal. And the Bengals REALLY need a WR with his talent alot more than the Jets do
One, the Bengals don’t need a wide receiver that bad, their number one is better then our number one, and two, to my point, what difference does it make whether the Jets need him or not?
I mean, we have Tank Johnson in the league, a man who was found with an arsenal of exotic and illegal weapons. We have Pacman Jones getting multiple chances, despite the fact he paralyzed a man and is constantly in trouble.
We are talking about a guy coming off 3 straight 100/1000 seasons with out a good QB. No. Cutler isn’t a good QB. This guy is a stud. He isn’t a perfect human being, but he is not even close to the level some of you are putting him at. You would think that he murdered somebody and got caught on tape. Ok, he wanted a contract and he went about it the wrong way. Short of Reggie Wayne and Larry Fitzgerald, this is the best wide receiver in the NFL, who has a little baggage. He is on pace to end up in Canton, Ohio someday.
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Preach it brother. This is what im saying nrmax88. I think we’re projecting TO-isms on this guy. He’s never called out his QB to my knowledge, or the coaching staff. He was a distraction during the pre-season last year, but during the regular season he was a model team guy. He didnt even huff over the benching, and he had every right to lose it, which shows me he’s aware of how he’s perceived and that he’s matured.
To carry out my not-so-far-fetched fantasy to its fullest extent: I imagine Brandon and Braylon split wide and Keller in the slot. Both safeties have to honor those guys on every down, which prevents them from sneaking down and ganging up on the run early. By working Keller out of the slot you’re also forcing a LB/DB to drift out of the box on run plays and it creates an instant match-up problem in the passing game. You can’t double all 3 guys AND cheat up towards the run game. It will literally be pick your poison. To top it off, all of Sanchez’s reads are simplified. So he benefits as well. You motion Keller a little to make the defense reveal man/zone. He can identify the one-on-one match-up easily bc all 3 receivers are mismatches.
So we do our normal ground and pound. We either just gash an open box all game, or when they cheat up or try to sneak a safety down into the box we exploit one-on-one coverages. I LOVE the idea of our line working against a box that has a LB in limbo and both safeties forced to shade our wide-outs, and getting Greene or Gerhart (hey its my fantasy) down hill and on top of DBs with full head of steam. If we go to a 4 wide on passing downs, with J-Co/Shipley working the slot opposite Keller, its even more dangerous.
You guys are so far off base its amazing…Cutler isn’t a good QB? Bengals don’t need a WR that bad? Chad is on the downside of his career and everyone and their mom’s knows Cutler is at the very least a GOOD QB.
Now…to project TO-isms on the guy. When you pull the kinda antics that he has, that’s what you’re gonna get. And you can rationalize for him all you want like you know him, but the bottom line is neither you or I know this guy personally nor do we know his work habits. But we do know he’s lacking in the professionalism department from those antics. So I don’t think its wrong when people look at him and are afraid he’ll be a locker room cancer a la T.O.
With a rookie QB like Sanchez, I’d rather not take the risk. We’ve building up a good core, lets not risk messing it up when it’s not necessary.
We’ve been building for 40 years. Sometimes when you get close, you take a shot. If it doesn’t work it doesn’t work. I’d rather roll the dice with a juggernaught than wait for the stars to align just right and for everything to break our way. The guy had one off-season lapse in judgment and is suddenly a pariah. Im more worried about Braylon being a cancer than i am about Brandon. Braylon already has thrown the coaching staff under the bus. There’s just no basis to say that Brandon is a cancer. The cancer to the Broncos locker room was McDaniels. I don’t recall Brandon EVER having any problems with Shannahan or Cutler.
I’d rather give my young QB as many playmakers as I can. The more guys that can make plays for him, the less he feels the need to make plays himself. I’d rather add to the core and field the best team possible, rather than standing pat and hoping that draft picks pan out and things get better on their own.
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The Bengals best WR died in a freak incident early in the season and Ocho is goin on 32 years old. They dont need a young talented #1 WR like Marshall??? I must be missing something there.
Your taking me the wrong way. Im trying to say that Marshall has still not been chosen by a team because of his antics. Right or wrong, If Marshall were just any other player with a squeaky clean image, a team would have traded for him by now. As a matter of fact I think it’s wrong that these few things are following and effecting him so much so relax I dont disagree with you. I am just trying to point out that weather its just regular joes or football GM’s, If you make a mistake as a pro athlete in today’s world EVERYONE ENDS UP FORMING AN OPINION ON YOU. My personal opinion was stated in the last sentence of my post. You stated your opinion. But only you feel it necessary to quote and pick apart what Ive said and argue about it. And for no reason because I actually agree with you in terms of his past. If a team has a need for a #1 WR then Marshall is an oportunity that dosn’t come by often. I just don’t think the jets have that need at WR.
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