What Are The Options? Free Safety
So whether you liked it or you didn't. Kerry Rhodes is gone, he is no more. Well he is, but just not as far as Jets fans are concerned. I may not of agreed with the value but if he was a problem in the locker room and he was not Rex's guy, then it was probably better for him to leave. Even though being a problem in the locker room, and not being a Rex guy got us to the AFC Championship game.
So now we are left with one 4th rounder, a nice selection to have, and a glaring hole at FS. SO where do we go from here? do we sign someone to an offer sheet, do we trade for someone or do we simply draft someone and hope for the best? There are several options for us, so let's take a look at some of them below.
In many ways this off-season really could define Mike T's reign in New York, he has improved the team before, but what does he do with a successful team? So far he has done his best to dismantle it, if the Jets fall flat next season, and some key areas fail to produce, Mike T will, and probably should take the fall for it. Not saying he should be fired, but his reputation could take a big hit.
So options, options, options:
Option Number 1: Start Eric Smith on a Permanent Basis
This is likely not going to be a popular choice, and if the poll voting is anything to go by so far, most Jets fans don't want to see this. When Kerry was benched towards the end of the season, Eric came in and did a good job. He is not the most athletic player on the field, not the quickest or strongest, but he is the epitome of Rex's saying "Hard work beats talent when talent refuses to work hard". I don't think I would trust Eric in coverage on an athletic tight end like Dallas Clark. That could be a long day for everyone involved on the Jets side of the ball. However he works hard, he puts his nose in there, and can make plays on the ball. A part of me thinks that he probably deserves a chance, and if after training camp he is the best available, then I would be willing to give him a chance. Although I wouldn't be confident that he could excel there. Like I have said before, I like Eric Smith, and any player that is willing to work hard and put his head into a tackle will become likable. I just don't think he is a permanent answer.
Option Number 2: Sign OJ Atogwe To An Offer Sheet
One year after St Louis slapped the franchise tag on Atogwe, they decided to low ball him with the lowest possible tender. 'Right to first refusal', which basically means that he can negotiate with any team he chooses, they can sign him to an offer sheet, if the Rams want to match they can, if they don't they don't get any compensation at all. They can always work out a trade, but if a team wants him, and he wants to leave St Louis, then a contract can be negotiated that would be almost impossible to match. Why OJ Atogwe? quite simply he is one of the most underrated players because he plays on a poor team. He is coming off shoulder surgery, but he does it all on the field, and he does it all pretty well. In 5 seasons in the NFL he has 19 interceptions, 3 sacks, 14 forced fumbles and 317 tackles. In 2007 he had 12 pass defenses and 8 interceptions. In just 12 games this season he had 74 tackles, 5 pass deference, 2 interceptions a sack and a forced fumble. If his shoulder checks out, then this is a very good option in my opinion.
Option Number 3: Sign Dawan Landry To An Offer Sheet
Dawan is another Rex Ryan guy, drafted in the 5th round of the 2006 NFL draft by the Baltimore Ravens. Landry a player who can play both safety positions and has the talent to do it as well has put together a nice start to his career. Limited to just 2 games in 2008, Landry bounced back in 2009 with a season that encouraged the Ravens to slap a 2nd round tender on his head. 89 tackles, 8 pass defenses, 4 interceptions, 1 TD and a forced fumble in 2009. If we did want to sign the former Yellow Jacket, we would have to surrender our 2nd round draft selection, which would mean we would be sitting out two rounds in a row, the 2nd and the 3rd. We would have to give him a contract that the Ravens wouldn't match, but this is definitely one of the options that is likely being considered right around now.
Option Number 4: Sign Nick Collins To An Offer Sheet
I wasn't even thinking about this because of the tender on his head, if we were to sign Nick Collins it would cost $$$, the Packers would need to not match the offer, and we would have to give up a 1st and 3rd round pick. We don't have a 3rd round selection so we would have to get one. Too many moving parts for this and the price is too steep, so thanks but no thanks to St Nick.
Option Number 5: Sign Usama Young To An Offer Sheet
Usama Young is low on experience, low on playing time and low on peoples radar. Drafted in round 3 of the 2007 NFL draft out of Kent State by the New Orleans Saints, Young has made just 3 starts over three years, so in my book he is not worth the 3rd round tender they placed on him. A little like Eric Smith, but quicker and more athletic. He has however amassed 83 tackles, 11 pass defenses and 3 interceptions in those three starts and his other playing time in sub packages. Not worth a third rounder, but a guy I personally like, and who I think could be one to watch for the Saints, especially if they lose Darren Sharper. He makes nice reads on the ball, he can tackle, if this draft was not so deep and we had a third, I might be willing to take a risk, however as things stand, I don't think this is a serious possibility.
Option Number 6: Sign Darren Sharper
There was quite some confusion surrounding this in the Kerry Rhodes thread yesterday. As I understand it, Sharper is a UFA. Although there were some mumblings about final 4 teams being able to sign other final 4 teams UFA's all they like, I have been unable to find anything to confirm this. So as it stands one of our UFA's, we don't have many, that doesn't include Lito or Thomas, both of whom were cut. Darren Sharper signed a one year deal with the Saints last year worth $1.7 million. Not a great deal at all, so it's possible that we could try and entice him to a low first year salary with a 2nd year more lucrative. The first year salary is the only year on the contract that has to match the player we are losing. I think he returns to the Saints personally, and why wouldn't he? I know we like to think that everyone wants to play for Rex, but he is in the twilight of his career, he will be 35 this year, and he is coming off a pro-bowl/Superbowl season. It's a nice thought, but I just don't see it happening. Would welcome him though.
Option Number 7: Use a First Round Draft Choice On A FS
I think this is where most people have a problem understanding the deal, if we do go down this way. Creating a hole on defense by trading Rhodes, picking up a 4th rounder, and then spending a first trying to fix that hole. It all seems counter-productive. Well there are several options in the first round, well three to be exact and here they are:
Trade everything and the kitchen sink to get up into the top 5 to select Erik Berry. I don't even know how this one would work, remember what we had to trade to get up to 5th last year, and that was from selection 17. Imagine trying to do the same but from #29. It would take this years first, next years first, this year's 2nd, and more. It would need players, and call me crazy but depth on our team is not exactly a strong suit. As much as I think Berry is going to be a star in the NFL. This would just be asking too much a year after we moved up to take Sanchez. Would love Berry but the price isn't right.
Earl Thomas is the second best safety in this draft and a top 20 selection, he has excellent speed, good recognition, quick to the ball, supports the run, takes good angles, has good range. A little smaller for the position, but he can add some weight to his frame. He is an option but I think it will take trading up into the top 20 to get him, and I'm not a big fan of spending our #29 selection on a safety let alone trading up for one.
Taylor Mays, now I really don't want to start the whole Taylor Mays debate again because it has been done to death on here. Is there a chance he will succeed, yes there is. Is there a bigger chance he will bust? in my mind there is. He needs work and a lot of it, and for a team in a win now mode, I just don't see how this is an advancement in trying to get us to the Superbowl. If he is going to be a good NFL safety it will take, two maybe three years for him to really blossom. Yes I like it when he lays out an opponent, but there are more weaknesses than strengths to his game, for a team looking to challenge in 2-3 years, then he is probably worth the investment. For a team in win now mode, looking to get to the Superbowl in 2010 it's a big step down. If he were to be selected we would still likely have to move up for him, and if Al Davis sticks to his usual bone headed drafting, he will be going 8th overall anyway.
Option Number 8: Spend A Lower Pick On FS
I wouldn't be confident starting any safety not named Berry in this draft, but there are a few options that have a much lower risk than the Earl Thomas or Taylor Mays option, one of them is Nate Allen in the 2nd round. One of them is Chad Jones from LSU in the 2nd round. Maybe Myron Rolle a little later than that. Maybe Rex pulls one from left field and surprises us all, A Dawan Landry all over again. Kerry Rhodes himself was a 4th round pick.
I'm not against this option all together, if it's a chance with a 4th round or lower. Not crazy about spending our first two picks on a position that we just opened up.
Option Number 9: Move Dwight Lowery to FS
This is a suggestion that keeps popping up that I find quite puzzling. I like Dwight, but as the starting FS? people really were unhappy with Kerry Rhodes because of his inability to put a hit on someone. Well Dwight is hardly renowned as a big hitter. He doesn't have much speed, he has some ball hawking skills, but the range is not there. He would also have to learn the intricacies of the position. I don't think it's an option personally, well not if we want to be back in the play-offs in 2010.
I think personally speaking, OJ Atogwe is definitely my preferred choice, a play maker at FS, a guy who can hit and cover and he won't cost us anything but $$$. If it is possible then let's do it. My least preferred choice is using our first round selection on a safety, whether it be Berry/Thomas or Mays.
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Kerry Rhodes had his flaws, but he was an above average tackler. Finding someone who can cover is ok, but if this person does not tackle, the middle of the field is goner be a major problem. I beleive Kerry was worth a second reounder. I really hope MT fixs this.
I really disagree with your assertion that Tannenbaum has dismantled this team. He’s already brought in Cromartie at a great value, and bear in mind he will find talent to replace Jones and Rhodes, and that the former was overpaid and aging, and that the latter was disliked by nearly everyone on the team and was playing terribly.
You’re probably down on our moves so far because we’ve mainly let people go to this point, but beginning soon we’re going to see a large number of additions (Adalius Thomas/Joey Porter, vet QB, two high draft picks, maybe more).
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I’m saying he has dismantled the AFC Championship team which he has…..Jones/Lito/Jay/Kerry….not saying he won’t fix it, but as things stand, he has dismantled that team, and hoe he puts it together for next season will be how he is judged
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I think dismantled is a bit strong. A lot of people would argue that two of those positions have been upgraded, and another one of them was the kicker.
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That’s not what I’m saying, I’m saying as far as the team that got us to the AFC Championship…he has stripped certain parts of it. We won’t know if it will be upgraded or not. Our secondary was the best pass defense unit and 3/6 of if have been taken out. That to me is dismantling of a strength….not saying these won’t be upgrades, buy you simply don’t know. As things stand, our strengths have taken a hit, and I don’t think dismantling is too strong a work 3/5 of the first ranked pass defense and 2/3 of the first ranked run game. If Leon does come back then it will be 1/3. Like the trades or hate them that is serious change to a AFC Championship team
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Dismantling is losing Kurt Warner, Anquan Boldin, Karlos Dansby, and Antrel Rolle. Those are cornerstone players. Outside of Kerry, everybody was easily replaceable. No team in the league ever goes an offseason without making changes. I wanted Lito back, but the Cromartie trade makes it academic. Besides, Lito missed half the year. Strickland is easily replaceable, and wasn’t really a huge part of that pass defense again because of injuries. Jones lost his go to back status in the Playoffs.
I dunno, aside from Kerry, I never really viewed any of those guys as part of the foundation of the roster. There are guys you build around. Then there’s everybody else. We’ll see what happens with Leon. If he does go, I’d be more inclined to agree with you, but I don’t really agree that we’ll remember these moves as big ones in Mike’s career as GM.
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He’s gotten rid of a small portion of it, to be sure, but does that constitute dismantling? Probably too strong a word. The post World Series Florida Marlins were a dismantling. This is just cleaning house and saving money.
But, yes, how he fills our newly developed needs at RB and free safety will go a long way to determining how his success as our GM. Neither TJ nor Rhodes were mistakes unless he fails to find adequate replacements.
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IMO, Resign TJ. They didn’t want to pay the lump sum 3 mil roster bonus, so pay him during the season. TJ still has gas in the tank… I say at least 1-2 years minimum. Get Atogwe! Thats a no brainer. We need someone back there who will scare people with a good hit or two… AND can use his noggin, and go intercept the ball. I think he fits well. Picture Leonhard hawking in the middle of the field and anything thrown over him being dismantled by Atogwe… Just my thoughts. Oh yeah… WOULD SOMEONE TELL REX TO PUT GHOLSTON IN A THREE POINT STANCE ALREADY!??!!! I really wish I was a coach, I would have done that his first season. The man cannot and WILL NOT produce standing up… he was have a mean nature as a DE, TRUST ME! I hate this, he’s not a bust….. just put him in the correct position and garaunteed he gets at least 10 sacks next season.
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by chrebetsthebet on Mar 7, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Would you be happy spending a 2nd round draft choice on Landry?
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How could you be, when Atogwe is much better, and we don't spend a second.
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Im thinking J-Co for Landry, then sign Landry to a new contract while maintaining the 2nd round pick.
Trade the 1st for Brandon Marshall (fuck it; all these guys are concious of their image and will be on their best behavior on the biggest stage).
Draft Shipley with the 2nd.
Sign Adellius Thomas when released.
Field a freaking juggernaught that nobody, NOBODY, wants to play. And if it blows up, the players essentially take the hit and wreck their careers.
I think its best to keep thoughts and proposals like this to yourself. That has to be one of the worst things I have seen on this site in a very long time.
Idk, i saw a mock not too long ago that could give it a run for the money.
But i think that if the team i proposed was fielded it would be a damn good one from a talent stand-point. And guys seem to get along fine and buy into the team when their winning.
It might not be likely to happen but its feasible; and the team is notably better: upgrade at Safety, upgrade at WR, add a big-time 3rd down threat in Shipley, take a bit of a hit at TE but Baker is servicable and the additions of Marshall and Shipley more than make up for his loss.
What is it about this team that you don’t like? Its a juggernaught.
How?
Landry + Marshall > Cotchery + First, at least to me. I don’t know that I would go that route, but if we did, it wouldn’t be horrible. We would have a sick WR combo and a great secondary.
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If we trade Keller, we still have J-Co who could work the slot AND Shipley. With Marshall and Braylon on the outside, J-Co and Shipley would murder teams underneath.
Weren’t you the one questioning the value of a 7th round pick? You think a 4th and 6th can adequately add depth to a thin Jets team?
Trading a 1st for Brandon Marshall is bad on all levels. We don’t get any younger. We get a locker room cancer who blames all of his troubles on a team mates death. We have 2 WRs who think they are #1s and neither as clutch as Cotchery. (The Keller idea is preposterous. He is the one potential mismatch problem on the entire offense. How many safeties or linebackers could possibly cover him? And Baker of all people as his replacement?) You still expect Shipley to make a huge impact his rookie year. I can’t and won’t try to persuade you away from that but I will say its at a higher level than you disagreeing spending a 2nd round pick on the DL (and thus called it the worst mock ever. Or that safety I chose in round 4. Or the TE. If you are even thinking of trading Keller you NEED to draft a TE.) Ultimately you and I both know its the worst mock because I didn’t agree with taking Shipley because I think he won’t make the profound impact you all do.
Even worse is we dont have a decent draft choice in an incredibly deep draft. I hope you dont respond to my points because I already know what you are going to say and simply put, I’m not reading it. So save your time.
Yes. 4th -7th ( I think we have a 5th, not sure though) in this draft is plenty to add depth. And probably add a pick or 2 in the trade i proposed.
Your mismatch argument is silly. Braylon, Marshall, Keller/J-Co and Shipley is as formidable a receiving core as there is in the NFL, and match-up problem at every position.
Adding Marshall is a risk, a big risk. But he’s relatively young and has produced big regardless of the QB, and a change of scenery could do him wonders as he tries to repair his image.
I think if we fielded that team we’d be the prohibitive favorites to win it all. And we could always deal one of the big receivers next year if we sense trouble or if trouble crops up. But if we field that team and everybody plays well, we win the big one.
We get a locker room cancer who blames all of his troubles on a team mates death.
What?
We have 2 WRs who think they are #1s and neither as clutch as Cotchery.
Rofl. I love Cotchery, but he is not even comparable to Brandon Marshall.
Your mock draft sucked. Crackback told you it sucked. Get over it.
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What is this, after all the arguing over Marshall...
I thought you were one of the guys that was totally against him? What has changed? The need for a safety isn’t THAT insanely great. And you’re essentially trading Cotch for Marshall, which I think is a marginal improvement at best.
The difference between J-co/Keller and Marshall is more than marginal. We’re talking about making a run at the whole Shibang. It might not be a good long-term solution, but it could be. Winning Superbowls can do that. I think we’re on the cusp of a title. We could field an incredible team and make a serious run at a one or two. And the more i think about it, the more i tend to believe that both Marshall and Braylon are very aware of their public image and each would be on their best behavior as long as we’re winning. We can sell them on being Superbowl Champs and having that kind of legacy added to their resume. Might even be able to sell them on being one of the greatest WR tandems ever, especially if they win a ring together. Making big contributions on the grandest of stages does wonders for your standing in the public eye.
And if we add Shaun Rogers to our D-Line with Jenkins, we’d potentially be able to completely dominate on both sides of the ball, so why not? Why not make a very serious run for it all? I didn’t like Marshall’s antics or rap-sheet any more than anybody else. And yeah, it has the potential of blowing up in our faces. But we’d also have a very good, very real possibility at winning a Superbowl. As Jet fans, can we really afford not to go for the throat of this thing?
I have been reading about Atogwe and if we can get him then he should definitely be the number one option. I just think there is a preference for Landry since he played for Ryan and knows the system.
Would I give up a 2nd round choice for a proven starter at the NFL level?Yes I believe I would.
by chrebetsthebet on Mar 7, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I gotta feeling Rhodes wanted out, his comments since the benching have pretty much left no other interpretation. I think they all agreed to play ball and try to move Kerry somewhere where he would be comfortable and the team would get adequate compensation. Rhodes just didnt fit and they all decided to move on. I think was the plan for months, Arizona was a target (hence the leaks about Rhodes/Boldin trade), and when the Jets felt they had fair compensation they pulled the trigger.
I agree. And if you are right,
like I think you are, then good riddance. If he doesn’t want to be here, I personally certainly don’t want his ass here.
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Options at Safety
Of the options you spell out I only see option two as the option where the outcome is positive. I do agree that getting rid of Rhodes must have been a Jets plan all along but I am disappointed it was only for a 4th round pick. I think the draft options for Safeties that will pan out as better players than Rhodes will most likely be gone by the 4th (I like Rashad Jones from Georgia 6’2" 215lbs with good speed). Even if they are lucky to get someone better than Rhodes in the fourth or latter round, they won’t be better for a couple of years!
How do you know? Rhodes was
a 4th round pick, and he was better in his first 3 seasons then he was in his 4th and 5th seasons. No rule that says a rookie safety can’t produce for you.
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Just one thing, the Baltimore scout who worked with Rex, and who called mid-season to say that Kerry Rhodes would not be with the Jets for long because he wasn’t a fit, has just tweeted that for all the people who are saying the Jets and Taylor Mays is an option…he really doesn’t see it as a fit with Rex. Just a little tid bit.
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Do you give up a #1 for Antoine Bethea?
If not, Jets either move up to get Earl Thomas, or stay and take Tate at 29 and Chad Jones later round.
Or they just sign Atogwe,
who is as good as Bethea, and don’t waste any draft picks.
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Atogwe is such a no brainer. I’d be surprised if we were not in contact with his agent right now……
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I wonder if the shoulder was the reason for the low tender. Its kind wierd that you franchise a guy one year, then tender him for nothing the next. If the dislocation is going to be a recurring theme, obviously you stay away.
It’s about the $$$ Crack, they franchised him last year, so no matter what tender they gave him, they would have to pay 110% of his 2009 salary, which means around $7 million this year I think. He made over $6.5 million last season. I think the rule is something like once you are franchised, you can’t then be tendered at a lower amount the following year.
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Still trying to find who his agent is……
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Be great to get him, but I think we’d have to spend a ton of money. You’d have to imagine the Rams taking advantage of their right to match unless we throw crazy amounts of money at him.
Throw $3-4 mil at him and front load it to take advantage of the uncapped year. That might get it done.
The Jets aren't really cheap in regular years
and usually aggressive. You would think they would gobble up the best released and first refusal players due to their free agency restrictions.
I think Atogwe is the most practical replacement for Rhodes.
I agree Bro,
Woody has always shown he is willing to shell out dollars for the good of the team. He wants a superbowl, and he’s got a shit ton of money.
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Yeah, he’s definitely willing to pay for the right FA. My concern would be offering the right price (i.e. high enough that the Rams wouldn’t match but not stupid high). We only get to give one offer right?
How about,
why not just offer him a 1 year deal at stupid money, in the uncapped year, and then rework an extension as soon as we sign him? I don’t know the legalities in these situations, so I don’t know if that;s allowed.
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Here’s one thing that bodes well for our chances:
The St. Louis Rams, perhaps uncertain about their ability to retain the services of safety O.J. Atogwe, will bring in veteran Brodney Pool in for a free-agent visit on Monday, according to Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
David,
I think Atogwe is represented by Octagon football. I’m not sure who the agent is, but I’m pretty sure that’s the agency.
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Cheers nrmax88, your spot on. Will do some digging around to see if anyone knows someone who works there.
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Heres their website.
If this helps…
http://www.octagonfootball.com/Default.aspx/Home
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Atogwe is such a no brainer. I’d be surprised if we were not in contact with his agent right now……
Totally agree. Definition of a no brainer. Stud player, fills a need, only cost is money.
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Atogwe sounds great but might not be obtainable
A lot of teams are interested in him.
In my view, the most likely possibility is to draft a safety in the second round and then platoon the rookie with Eric Smith. The 4th round obtained through the Rhodes trade could be used for depth at a different position (WR? possible, unless both Coles and Holt are obtained or some other deal is done for a gamebreaker. RB or offensive / defensive line as well)
option 9
I called for this a while back in a couple of my post’s the reasoning is that is where draft scout said he was best suited for FS cause that is where he excelled in college and not CB so he has the skills and hes’ a ball hawk in that position

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