Kerry Rhodes Traded to Arizona
by John B on Mar 6, 2010 7:04 PM EST
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PrintAs per Adam Schefter, the Jets have traded Kerry Rhodes to the Cardinals.
Filed to ESPN: Arizona trades a fourth-round pick this year and a seventh next year for Jets S Kerry Rhodes.
Arizona figured to make a move at safety once it lost Antrel Rolle. And now they have Kerry Rhodes -- good move.
I hate this trade. I think it's Jonathan Vilma all over again. The Jets now have a gaping hole at the starting safety position. What are the odds either pick turns into a player as good as Kerry? What are the odds they both even make the team? The Jets have been so good at taking advantage of teams overvaluing picks, it's disappointing to see the team fall victim to the practice. After the way he came on at the end of the year, why not ride things out with Kerry? I get that he underachieved in 2009, but I think he's too talented to give away like this.
I guess Rex really didn't think he could work with Rhodes, but they got nothing close to equal value for a guy who is a Pro Bowl caliber player when he's playing his best. Maybe the team has something lined up to fill the safety spot. I sure hope so.
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I would have approved
If it was at least for a third. He actually had a decent paper year last season. I knew Rex was finished with Rhodes halfway through last season and anyone who wasn’t sure he’d be dealt away in some fashion or another don’t have much in the way of intuition.
Definitely a lot more ways to build the team this year beyond taking Arizonas low-end picks. Hell, had had a top ten salary, we could have taken that in free agency.
Happy it happened, disappointed with the compensation.
Horrible, horrible value…..
Now watch us trade half the draft to move up and pick Taylor Mays… sigh
One more hole to fill, one low draft pick. Mike T should be handcuffed sometimes
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I know you like Rhodes and wanted him here,
but I think this is the right move for all parties. New setting for Rhodes, and a fresh start for us. Between Rhodes and Pettine, Rhodes and Thurman, Rhodes comments where he sidestepped questions about coming back, Rex Ryan being all Belichicky when asked if Rhodes would return, I just don’t think this was a good fit. Rhodes is solid, but he just didn’t gel in this system. I think any player would love to play defense for Rex Ryan, and that Rhodes seemingly didn’t is a red flag to me. After a mediocre 2008, I thought he would dominate with Rex this year, but he didn’t. I’ll take the 4th rounder in this deep draft.
Now whats really good with Darren Sharper?
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I know for some reason you also hate Taylor Mays,
and while I don’t think we will draft him, I feel very confident if we did you would grow to love him. He would thrive under Rex. He wants to learn, and has the tools for greatness. I know he is raw. But like I said, he didn’t win 3 first team all american honors at the combine.
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Just like Gholston thrived under Rex?
Mays cannot play S in the NFL, Hell I doubt he could cut it in the UFL.
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For a guy who sucks so bad at football, he sure has fooled a lot of people
into thinking he is a lock for the first round.
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If he had cut Kerry's 6+ million salary
We would have been cleared to sign Sharper who commands a very similar price, and that’s just the franchise tag.
Now we would need TJ to be signed to a painfully dumb and rich team like the redskins to get Sharper.
Personally I like Sharper and Fujita and wish the Jets would kick their tires.
A few notes on the final eight rules.
1. To clear a spot, an unrestricted free agent needs to sign with another team. Cutting a guy doesn’t count.
2. I believe they don’t apply to free agents from other final eight teams. I’m not 100% sure on this, but if so, we can target New Orleans free agents without restrictions.
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OK
Thank you for clarifying on the releasing. The original article I read explaining final 8 was obviously incorrect.
However, I have seen nothing through strenuous research that the rules for pursuing other final 8 teams free agents are any different than the rest of the leagues players. If you find something to prove otherwise pleasepleaseplease link me there.
I can understand that perhaps he needed to be moved but don’t let that 7th rounder kid you, this is straight up for a mid-low 4th. I think Kerry is worth more than that. A 7th next year is nothing, it will be just like picking up a UDFA. I can see how Kerry being moved might be the right decision, but that 7th needs to have serious escalators in it for it to be worth anything.
I don’t agree with your view on Mays, but going to get into it again, because it could easily turn nasty, and on the back of this, not the right way to go
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This is probably one of those things that will hurt the blog when it comes to requesting stuff like greater access from the Jets, but we’re not going to just sit and nod like bobbleheads when they make a terrible move like this.
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Yer I was thinking the same, but we are here to give an opinion and not kiss the organisations ass which I know you agree with.
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I think you are overreacting.
Boldin just got a 3 from the Ravens, and we just got a 4 for a free safety that was benched in a Rex ryan defense halfway through the season, and finished the season alright. It isn’t a horrible move, we had a guy who wasn’t happy here, our coach seemingly didn’t want him here, so maybe we got a bit less value then we could have under optimal circumstances, but that is how the NFL is. Look what we gave up for Edwards, look what we gave up for Jenkins, look what we gave up for Cromartie, this is the way that NFL trades happen. Better then just cutting him for no reason.
It won’t get nasty again, I understand we won’t agree, I just feel like people will grow to love this kid if he ends up in our system.
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FWIW, I think the Cardinals made a terrible trade for Boldin. Again, what 3rd round pick will be as good as him?
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But you can say that about almost any NFL trade.
When you are trading draft picks for players, it always ends up like this. You never see a guy get traded for a first round pick unless he is a serious, serious stud. You can look at almost any trade and say, how can they replace this guy with a (insert round here) draft pick?
And Dave, the difference between Gholston and Mays is that Mays loves to play the game, and was a 3 time all american, Gholston was a one hit wonder who’s dedication to football was questioned from the get go.
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Not enough of a difference for me
Never understood why people are so passionate about athletes they favor.
They do like Doucet and Breston
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I hate the compensation here, u are right Bro Namath, at least a 3rd Mike T. WTH???!!!! And if we go after Taylor Mays I’m gonna be livid, all the concerns about Kerry was his lack of tackling, and the fact that he slipped in coverage. Taylor Mays doesn’t wrap people up, and can’t cover for anything
I just have to ask this....
again.. if Mays is so horrible, then why did he keep the job at USC for 4 years? If he can’t do anything right as a safety, why the 3 first team all americans? Why didn’t Earl Thomas beat him out? Why has he been a projected first rounder forever if he can’t cover, can’t tackle, can’t take good routes, and is lazy?
again.. if Mays is so horrible, then why did he keep the job at USC for 4 years? If he can’t do anything right as a safety, why the 3 first team all americans? Why didn’t Earl Thomas beat him out? Why has he been a projected first rounder forever if he can’t cover, can’t tackle, can’t take good routes, and is lazy?This is the last I will say about him.
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U can say that about all colleges. If Mays did come, it would be ideal for him: 2 great cover corners, mad hatter blitzing scheme. He wouldnt be asked to cover much, just knock the snot out of people.
I really don't want to drag out this discussion
but you have no way of knowing if someone like Mays will ever pan out in the big league let alone whether or not he’s a fit for a team. Just because we have a solid defense for him to find a spot on doesn’t mean anything.
but you have no way of knowing if someone like Mays will ever pan out in the big league let alone whether or not he’s a fit for a team. Just because we have a solid defense for him to find a spot on doesn’t mean anything.
Fine, lets just pick a guy out of a hat then, since we dont have any chance of knowing. USC isn’t the NFL? It isn’t? I thought it was. Are Florida, Texas, LSU, etc. the NFL? What is your point. Of course you can speculate what guys are a fit for what teams? Are you serious? John B, how many guys play great in college, to the point where they are judged to be the best player at their position in the country, not once, not twice, but three times, then blow up the combine, then bust. I have never heard more hatred towards a lock first round pick before.
And of course we can speculate who will fit where. That is the point of the draft bro namath. A free safety who runs a sub 4.4 and hits like a truck would certainly fit into a Rex Ryan defense with no safety.
Tim Tebow dominated the college game. He ran over guys. He had a high completion percentage. He still lacks the size or the accuracy to be a successful NFL quarterback. They’re two different games.
Yet all throughout his entire collegiate career nobody ever projected him as an NFL QB or a first round pick. Since Mays stepped foot on USC, he has been a projected possible first rounder.
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I’ve saw plenty of mocks during his college career that had him in the first round, but there are plenty of guys I could put in his place. The point is some guys dominate college but don’t have the skills to play in the NFL.
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I agree with that, but how can you say he doesn't have pro skills
when he destroyed the combine and was as productive in college as any safety coming into the draft.
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I don’t put much stock in the Combine for your first question, and same as Tebow for your second question. There are different attributes that help you dominate college and dominate in the pros (sound tackling, tracking the ball in the air etc.). I didn’t see some of the key pro attributes from Mays when I watched USC.
That’s not to say he can’t develop them. Maybe he turns into a good pro. I just don’t like the thought of taking someone so raw early in the Draft. The mid and late rounds are when you take fliers on physical specimens.
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Of course not. You have no way of knowing what any draft pick will be in the NFL. I don’t really get your point I guess.
An i didnt say he was a perfect fit for us; i said we were a perfect fit for him.
Exactly. I don’t expect us to draft him, I don’t even necessarily want us to. He is one of a lot of prospects I like in this draft. I just can’t understand why a kid who produced at college, killed the combine, and played for 4 years under a pro style coach is getting treated like a piece of shit.
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Of course not. You have no way of knowing what any draft pick will be in the NFL. I don’t really get your point I guess.
Yeah, I have no idea at all what Bro was getting at. He said USC isn’t the NFL (no shit, no college is the NFL), and that you can’t project guys from college into pro offenses or defense. Of course you can, otherwise we would just all sign a bunch of random players and there wouldn’t be a draft.
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Honestly you're just arguing semantics
Since I have to explain it to you,
You said how can you say blahblahblah when Mays did this this and this at USC.
I said Sorry kid, USC ain’t the NFL.
It applies to all colleges.
How else can I explain to you how to have a conversation.
Arguing Semantics?
How? You said USC inn’t the NFL. No college is, but what more do you want from a guy then to produce in college, and destroy the combine? I just don’t know what else you look for in a college prospect. Upside, and production. He has both. I’d prefer a few guys over him, I just don’t get the hate.
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Honestly how obtuse can you be, or are you just dumb?
Semantics is the study of meaning, usually in language. The word “semantics” itself denotes a range of ideas, from the popular to the highly technical. It is often used in ordinary language to denote a problem of understanding that comes down to word selection or connotation.
You are arguing that
we shouldn’t draft a guy just because he played at a great college, dominated there, and killed the combine.
I am arguing that is the only things you have to go on in college prospects.
Semantics?
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My argument was that college wasnt the NFL
You’ve done two things.
1.Pick at the wording.
and
2.Say how can you say that when blah blah blah.
You’re arguing semantics.
I don't agree that
evaluating a guy based on his college career and the combine isn’t enough. That is what you are saying. I am saying that is the only thing that a college player has to be evaluated on. In what way is this semantics? We are agreeing on the importance of a collegiate career. That isn’t semantics.
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it’s a successful collegiate career that doesn’t necessarily translate to a successful NFL career ie. Tim Tebow. I think that’s the point he’s making. Nobody wants a repeat of Vernon Gholston…especially since our depth is paper thin.
Why the nasty tone? Frankly, you made a dumb comment and got called on it. No need to get like that.
The nasty tone
is because the two people who are in chronic disagreement with the rest over one guy are arguing semantics over a statement I made and apparently don’t what that is.
That and he promised to drop it but backpedaled the second someone made one response.
What was that statement?
USC ain’t the NFL.
I’ll give him that we’ve had some genuine disagreements beyond that since he started picking away at that opinion, but it’s not my fault he doesn’t get it.
And dumb is in the eye of the beholder
person a: says OMG this guy is grrrrrrreat! he had a great career at x college
person b: x college isn’t professional
person a: ALL COLLEGE ISN’T THE NFL. How can you say that when blahblahblah projecting other people that didn’t like Mays arguments onto you.
person b: deep sigh
He pointed out that the guy had a stellar collegiate career and a great combine. You said college aint the NFL. So by your logic, we should just toss out all those years of game film because they mean absolutely nothing. Which is silly. And now your trying to intimidate people with your education as you eloquently say nothing.
You made a weak point, got challenged, and now you’re all whiny about it.
All right guys, let’s all chill out. Let’s agree to disagree on Mays.
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Its way past Mays. Its about Bro Namath trying to act smart.
You’ve done two things.
1.Pick at the wording.
and
2.Say how can you say that when blah blah blah.
1. Never picked at any wording. Picked at the idea that college football isn’t important to NFL teams in the draft.
2. Right, I try to make a case for my point. I don’t just say Mays went to USC so he is awesome. Your the guy who is just throwing out everything that people base college football prospects on, the actual college football games, and the combine.
Your opinion is Mays sucks because I say so.
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It isn't my logic.
That is your logic. You said college stats don’t matter. You said the combine doesn’t matter. You said only the Jets scouts opinion matter. Yeah, because it’s not like the Jets scouts are using (gasp!) college football games to analyze the college players.
No matter what piece of evidence is brought up, you dismiss it and say it isn’t important.
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Let's try this again
Enough
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My original statement
was “USC ain’t the NFL” which was in response solely to his hyping up Mays’ career with USC, which ironically enough is a notorious weak point among sports fans. That turned into you and he saying you didn’t get the point and that all college’s were not the NFL. This is pure semantics. I can’t help what the debate spun into around those events, or that I responded to everything he dug up after that.
By “my logic” a stellar USC career does not translate into a successful NFL run. That’s all that statement said. It was so painfully simple and insteading of just accepting that I disagree on a very simple point (THIS WAS A RELEVANT RESPONSE TO HYPING USC) you made a mountain out of it. This is semantics.
Now you’re telling me, a self-educated man who never graduated high school, that I’m intimidating people with my words. That the tone is whiny or nasty or whatever else you’re pulling out of your butt. for that specific post. This is YOU projecting feelings onto ME.
Just because you think it’s silly doesn’t disqualify it. I don’t own your projected emotions so stop it. Instead of letting one simple statement be just what it is you guys have to profusely agree. And not only is it highly deconstructive, but you’re attempting to make me own it.
Next time instead of laying on the accusations because you don’t agree or don’t understand, just be happy to say I disagree.
Lol. You said college football careers don't matter, and
that the combine doesn’t matter.
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By the way
Just so you know, I wouldn’t mind if they drafted Mays. I don’t hate him. Maybe if I had prefaced my opinions with that you would have read what I said differently.
That's fine
I don’t really get jamming your favorite prospective athletes down other fans throats. I can say a guy won’t pan out quite easily. Having a good combine or playing for USC doesn’t sell it to me, sorry. It was merely responses to assertions by people more confident than I am. I couldn’t give a damn who chooses to get it.
NO college team is the NFL. I’m not biased here. This is why first round picks fizzle every year.
So what does sell it for you Bro?
I’m not jamming him down anybodys throat, I suggested drafting him months back and haven’t brought it up since. I just am trying to figure out why a 3 time all american who is a freakish athlete is getting dogged so hard. And nobody seems to be able to tell me how and why he won 3 all american honors without being able to wrap up, cover, tackle, take good lines to the ball, and oh yeah, he is lazy. How does that dude get honored as the best at his position 3 times?
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THREE TIME ALL-AMERICANS
Alex Agase Illinois/Purdue G 5-11 190 1942-43, 46
Joe Alexander Syracuse G-C 5-11 210 1918-20
Hub Bechtol Texas E 6-2 201 1944-46
Doc Blanchard Army FB 6-0 205 1944-46
Dre’ Bly N. Carolina DB 5-10 185 1996-99
Ben Boynton Williams QB 5-9 163 1917,19-20
Charles Brewer Harvard FB 5-9 150 1892-94
Chris Cagle Army HB 5-8 167 1927-29
David Campbell Harvard E 6-0 171 1899-01
Anthony Carter Michigan WR 5-11 161 1980-82
Ted Coy Yale FB 6-0 195 1907-09
Glenn Davis Army HB 5-9 170 1944-46
Ron Dayne Wisconsin RB 5-10 254 1997-99
Tony Dorsett Pittsburgh RB 5-11 192 1973, 75-76
Mike Doss Ohio State DB 5-11 204 2000-02
Kenny Easley UCLA DB 6-2 206 1978-80
Walter Eckersall Chicago QB-E 5-7 141 1904-06
Russell Erxleben Texas P 6-4 218 1976-78
Marshall Faulk S. Diego St RB 5-10 200 1991-93
Wes Fesler Ohio State E 6-0 185 1928-30
Rod Franz California G 6-1 198 1947-49
Bill Fralic Pittsburgh OT 6-5 285 1982-84
Charles Gelbert Pennsylvania E-G 5-9 170 1894-96
Ed Goddard Washington State QB 5-10 180 1934-36
Red Grange Illinois HB 5-10 170 1923-25
Hugh Green Pittsburgh DE 6-2 224 1978-80
Archie Griffin Ohio State RB 5-9 184 1973-75
Chic Harley Ohio State HB 5-10 158 1916-17, 19
Leon Hart Notre Dame E 6-4 225 1947-49
Pudge Heffelfinger Yale G 6-1 195 1889-91
Wilbur "Fats Henry Washington & Jefferson
T 5-10 230 1917-19
James Hogan Yale T 5-10 210 1902-04
Philip King Princeton QB 5-6 154 1891-93
Langdon Lea Princeton T 6-1 187 1893-95
Darrell Lester Texas Christian C 6-4 218 1934-36
Floyd Little Syracuse HB 5-11 195 1964-66
Woodrow Lowe Alabama LB 6-0 211 1973-75
Ken MacAfee Notre Dame TE 6-4 251 1975-77
Bo McMillin Centre QB 5-9 165 1919-21
Eddie Mahan Harvard FB 5-11 171 1913-15
Bennie Oosterbaan Michigan E 6-0 186 1925-27
Bob Peck Pittsburgh C 5-9 179 1914-16
Stan Pennock Harvard G 5-8 193 1912-14
David Pollack Georgia DE 6-2 275 2002-04
Barney Poole Army/Mississippi E 6-3 220 1944, 47-48
Randy Rhino Georgia Tech DB 5-10 179 1972-74
Jerry Robinson UCLA LB 6-3 209 1976-78
Tom Shevlin Yale E 5-10 195 1902,04-05
Bob Suffridge Tennessee G 6-0 186 1938-40
Doak Walker SMU HB 5-11 170 1947-49
Herschel Walker Georgia RB 6-2 222 1980-82
Art Wheeler Princeton G 6-1 200 1892-94
Don Whitmire Alabama/Navy T 5-11 215 1942-44
Ed Widseth Minnesota T 6-2 220 1934-36
Richard Wood S. California LB 6-2 213 1972-74
You want to know what sells it for me?
My teams scouts really wanting a guy. That’s it. Not the combine. Not a college performance.
And before you cite Gholston they wanted Dorsey that year.
Lol.
Well obviously they also wanted Gholston. Not like he was the only guy left in the draft.
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In terms of needs and positions
there weren’t that many options. In fact they scrambled to trade down but it didn’t happen in time.
and you know this how?
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A lot of guys are great in college but aren’t refined enough to play in the NFL
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Tim Tebow dominated the college game. He ran over guys. He had a high completion percentage. He still lacks the size or the accuracy to be a successful NFL quarterback. They’re two different games.
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Im no Rhodes fan, but Im shocked. If Mike T is anything he’s aggressive. And before we jump to conclusions Kerry might very well have requested this trade. He didnt really seem to want to be here. I think we’re moving up to grab Thomas. No rhyme or reason, just a gut feeling.
good point now that u say it Mr. wyatt, hadn’t thought of that, but I’d like to have him. I don’t think we are going after Reed Crackback, it’d be Favre all over again, with him not knowing if he wants to retire or not
I think we’d squeeze at least 2 yrs out him. Who wouldnt wanna play in this defense now. I bet if the money is right, EVERYBODY wants to play here now.
You think Baltimore would even consider an offer for him, though?
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Definitely not enough. Comparing with Boldin for a 3rd isn’t quite the same. Boldin’s had a few problems with injuries lately. And Rhodes is younger and has more of his career left. Bad move.
Go Jets
Go Devils
Boldin was also a much more impactful player
like it or not, Kerry Rhodes has regressed over the last two years. In this Rex Ryan defense, when everybody got better, Rhodes didn’t. He seemingly fought his coaches every step of the way, and he just wasn’t very good for like 3/4 of the season. He was okay when he came back, but when asked if he wanted to be here, he was non committal. Wrong answer. If you don’t want to play defense for Rex, I don’t want you. And if Rex doesn’t want you here, I definitely don’t want you.
None of you have a problem when we are trading for other teams undervalued malcontents, but as soon as we make a trade (I think this is standard, 4th round for kind of good safety who wants out), we are trashing Mike T and questioning everything. Even before I know who is going to start next year, I feel confident that we will get better play out of the free safet in ’10 then we did in ’09.
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Explain to me how we can afford it
Unless John can link me to something saying we can pursue final 8 teams free agents without restrictions. In which case we should sign Sharper and Fujita yesterday.
WHAT THE HELL ARE WE GONNA DO WITH A SEVENTH ROUND DRAFT PICK? COULDN’T WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME FOOD STAMPS OR SOME KURT WARNER BOBBLEHEADS????
by colinyoung on Mar 6, 2010 7:24 PM EST reply actions
mmmm
I guess it’s time to give Mr D Sharper a call anyone have his twitter #
Apparently this is going to be one of those years
where fans don’t keep up with changing regulations and don’t understand the offseason.
I just thought of alex smith as our starting Safty. I couldn’t really control what happened next.
by colinyoung on Mar 6, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Don't you mean Eric Smith?
Because of the two Alex Smiths in the league, one plays QB in San Francisco and the other is Philadelphia’s third-string TE.
what draft picks do we have this year now that we traded him?
Sorry…can’t remember.
He either thinks Alex is his guy or he has something else in mind.
by colinyoung on Mar 6, 2010 7:35 PM EST reply actions
O.J. Atogwe..? anyone can can straight up play
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Atogwe can ball
he got hurt and ended his season, right? I think Atogwe would be a huge upgrade.
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Not sure what happened to him, last I heard they had tendered him the lowest possible which is right to first refusal…..think it’s something like that. Think he would work wonders in this system.
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Agree, he has been the lone bright spot on a terrible Rams defense for a while
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We now need a safety
this was not a good move. I don’t care who we get, I’m afraid Kerry Rhodes will have a pro bowl year for the cards. That would hurt, like Farrior and Vilma.
Ed Reed is not a factor in this either. Last I heard He wasn’t even sure he wanted to come play this year.
by colinyoung on Mar 6, 2010 7:40 PM EST reply actions
there is a rumor going around
that the Jets are interested in Antoine Bethea. I hope they dont sign him even if it means we get your first round selection. too low of a pick for my liking
Bethea is awesome.
I’d probably give up our first for him.
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Ok I’ve calmed down. Im centered and collected now. Rex has obviously been geekin out about having 2 possible Pro-bowl corners starting for this team next year. Does he think that a less talented Saftey like Smith can handle a less demanding role on the defense? As I remember, Rex almost cut Alex because of poor play in the beginning of the year. Alex did respond in a big way when Rhodes was benched? Alex had to have shown Ryan the ability to hold down the starting job behind two amazing corners. This team wouldn’t have traded their starting saftey thinking with 100% possibility that they could land one with equal or greater value
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Stop calling him Alex
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There are two Alex Smith’s. One plays quarterback for the 49ers. The other is a tight end who played for the Bucs and Patriots.
The Jets have a safety named Eric Smith.
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It's ok man
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I’m not a big fan of this idea but some sites are saying this may be a way to open up cap room for marshall
Brandon Marshall +Edwards= STUPID AS FUCK!
If Marshall comes to NY we are shooting our selves in the foot
and the bold letters don’t mean i think your stupid just the idea of having a cancer and a bengin tumor isn’t ideal
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Mar 6, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
I tend to doubt the two are related.
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I mean the Rhodes trade with any move for Marshall.
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I agree with John, I don’t see them being related.
I just want to see what we do now, if we spend a first round pick replacing him, be with Thomas/Mays or Bethea, I’m not going to be a happy Jets fan
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I'm NOT a happy Jets fan
because we had a decent season doesn’t mean the roster needs to be overhauled this offseason through the two days i am very upset with mr t.
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Mar 6, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I lost 2 of my favorite Jets
TJ and Rhodes, we might lose Leon which takes away 3/5 WTF was he thinking. I hate this trade.
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We better get Sharper or there are goin to be lots of pissed off people
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We are NOT getting Sharper, we can’t….he is a UFA…we have not lost anyone who will get first year money that Sharper wants.
More likely we will go after Landry
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Who is Landry from?
I thought signing UFA’s from other final 8 teams was fair game?
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Mar 6, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
That was a rumor I heard, but I haven’t been able to confirm.
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God now I know how Mike Florio must feel.
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I thought the final 8 restrictions were universal, as in you can’t sign from any other team????
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Final 8 Rules
NFL.com has an article that includes a section “What is the Final 8 Plan?” here: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8166c746&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Go Jets
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I believe the article I read was also a Kirwan article from like a year ago, but he may have been mistaken then. I’ll keep looking.
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OK try this one then
It says written by the NFL: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d815da1d2&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
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I'm pretty sure either way it was just hogwash.
I’ve been hunting that down and I’m certain it is a detail they would mention it, it’s an important detail. They mention that teams that lost in the divisional round can sign one player over 5.5 million, they would mention it if final 8 teams could sign players from other final 8 teams without restriction.
I wish it were true.
I think he’s trading up for Thomas. Kiss Odrick and Hughes good-bye. Theyre gonna wait to pick A. Thomas up from the Pats.
I think they will move in for Landry
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I don't want to draft a safety
Mr. T screwed this trade up. He was either smokin some dope. or really shitfaced
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Mar 6, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Or rhodes just isn't close to as good
as he is being portrayed. What more do you want for an average safety? I mean, this guy was benched from the best defense in the NFL.
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But who trades
a decent safety with some upside for nothing! Thats a BS trade, get a third rounder at least none of what we got!
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Mar 6, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
I would of liked next years pick to be conditional, based on performance. If he has a good year, we should of gotten more our of it.
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Exactly this definitely was a shitty trade
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Mar 6, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
One issue I have is this was definitely a case of selling low. When he’s playing up to his potential, Kerry is a Pro Bowl caliber player. I think they’re giving up on him too quickly.
Billy Beane would be proud of the Cardinals letting Rolle walk and getting Rhodes for a fraction of the price.
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I agree that Rhodes looks like a pro bowler when on.
But that hasn’t been the case since 2007. If we sold low on Rhodes, that means we bought low on almost every other trade we made. I’d rather sell low and replace him with a better fit for the system.
Nobody was going to give up much for a guy coming off an average year and seemingly wanted out, and wasn’t really wanted by the coaching staff.
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Wyatt has a great point.
It could have at least been a conditional pick
by colinyoung on Mar 6, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Most of us on the Cardinals Blog were very happy with this trade.
Rhodes has better stats than Rolle, but he is half the price. And all they really had to give up was one of the picks from the Boldin trade and a 7th rounder next year.
I was expecting them to go after Clark or Atogwe, but when they got someone as good as Rhodes this cheaply they had to go for it.
What are you guys going to do now that Rhodes is gone?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
One thing this has done, open up a lot of questions for tomorrows chat on GGN
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And pissed lots of fans off
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Mar 6, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Works wonders for traffic.
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Ha your not wrong about that, we must remember to send a thank you card to Mike T
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I refuse.
There are other ways to generate traffic, like overwhelmingly good news ;-)
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Mike T just reminds me of an impatient kid…….. always having to move things around….just when you think we take a step forward with Cromartie, we take one right back. Let’s see what he does, but right now as things stand, we are a worse team than we were.
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I don’t agree with that. We’re due for a major improvement at the most important position on the field if Sanchez progresses as we should.
With that said, you have to question some of the moves made thus far in the offseason.
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I'm going to a friends house
before i get way more pissed off than i am!
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Dang. I go out for a few hours and come back to this news. I agree with most of the people here in thinking that the value we got for Rhodes did not make this trade worth it. However, I am inclined to think there is a bigger picture that Mike T. is working on at the moment. Some of the moves we’ve made so far have been a bit perplexing….. I’m hoping that when all is done, we’ll see that there was a good reason behind this madness.
I don’t think we got enough for Rhodes, but one thing I DO know is that Tanny and Rex know what they’re doing. This isn’t the Mets we’re talking about, these guys always have a solid plan. I’m sure we’ll see it shortly. As for Rhodes, I always thought they had some kind of understanding. He was angry when he was benched, and they must have told him that if he kept quiet and pretended to be a good soldier, they would get him out of here after the season.
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agreed
When the day ius said and done I’d rather be Rex with craptacular safeties than Wisenhunt with Kerry and whomever else.
It's been a busy week at work...
so today I spend time with the family with the nice weather and everything. I come back and see this news. Wow.
Rex and the coaches wanted Rhodes to watch more film and do less extracurricular stuff, and I guess they decided Rhodes just wasn’t that committed to football. When he said he had a productive meeting with Pettine, I guess it didn’t necessarily mean he would stay on the team. They probably just agreed to disagree. Arizona’s offer was a little low but Mike T. didn’t have a lot of time before having to pay Kerry’s bonus. I’m sure the Cards told him to take it or leave it, and he took it. If he was dealing with other teams, it’s possible their offers were way lower and unlikely to change before the bonus deadline (Thursday, I think).
I think Kerry owes some of his success to Jonathan Vilma. The two used to watch film together and communicated well on the field. Vilma continued to be great as a Saint, while Kerry became Hollywood Rhodes. Rex Ryan took a twenty-something defense and turned it to number one with an underperforming free safety and without the starting nose tackle for half the year. It sucks that Kerry couldn’t thrive here – or didn’t want to try – but think we’ll be fine.
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well said.
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I expected him to be a perennial pro bowler following 2007.
Just never worked out. I don’t know why, and I wish it did too, but like you said, I think we will be fine.
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How can the 4th rounder move up on conditions of his play when it’s for just over a month?
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If that’s the case, it means the fourth rounder is for next year’s Draft, which makes the pick less valuable.
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Everyone is reporting that it is this year……..
Maybe he meant the 7th rounder is conditional
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After having a little bit of time to digest this, I’ve come to terms with it. I guess his issues were too much to overcome for him to stay. And like you guys were saying, it’s a really strong, deep draft this year so a fourth is like a third in any other draft right?
I think the only question that needs to be answered is will we find a better player with a 4th even if it is worth a 3rd this year? or are we going to have to spend a first or 2nd rounder on a hole we just created. It’s a difficult one.
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Don’t see it happening.
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The finding a better player thing.
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Now we just wait for the Mike T interview….. the whole we have faith in the guys we have…..we would be confident going into the season with what we have… which really means, I’m now working my ass off trying to find a replacement.
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True. I am hoping we don’t go with a safety early. I like how your mocks have been previously and I’m all for sticking with it. I like the idea of picking up Myron Rolle with our 4th as someone mentioned in a different post. However, what if we don’t try to pick a safety in the draft? Is there anyone left worth pursuing (assuming we can with our restrictions) in free agency?
OJ from St Louis even after surgery, Rams will get first refusal if we offered him a contract, and would probably try and match.
Landry from Baltimore was tendered with a 2nd round.
Sharper- That depends on final 8 rules, still looking at this. If we can sign UFA from the other top 4 teams (I don’t think we can), then he is possible. If we can’t then we won’t.
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FA looks a bit thin. It doesn’t sound like we can chase Sharper, and I would hate to give up our second rounder.
I can’t imagine they did this unless it was part of a plan. That Rhodes requested a trade behind closed doors way back when and everybody agreed to quietly keep it in house bc bad mouthing each other hurts both sides.
I definitely agree. They would not have done this unless they absolutely had to or unless they had something else in the works.
I hope your both right here, and we will see shortly, Mike doesn’t hang around, so hoping we hear something over the next 24 hours.
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there is a chance u can sign a RFA from a final 8 team but im not sure of that because the jets are a final 4 tea m
more rule apply 2 final 4 teams
There are no limitations on RFA’s from any team, just UFA’s.
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I can guarantee you there are no limits for RFA’s.
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ive been wrong before
final 8 can sign RFA only off final 8 teams .that was my understanding .but u may be correct
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You’re wrong Troy O.
But sooner or later we would run out of picks to compensate teams with if we build exclusively through restricted free agency. A big playmaker is a first and third. We’d have to pursue first refusal players beyond that.
I'm happy for Arizona....
for making this deal. Problem is I"M A JETS FAN! Who do we have who replaces him next season. I’m the first to admit that I don’t follow the draft closely (that’s what David’s for, isn’t it?), but even if we draft a Rhodes replacement how long before he goes from college player to NFL starting contributor under Rex’s system?
Unless Mike T. can pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat, we’re boned for the next couple of season no matter what. Rhodes might not have been Rex’s perfect drone, but he started to click later in the season. I felt he’d had a breakout season coming up.
I’ll continue to follow and root for the Green no matter what, having been through it all (remember 1-15?). But I expected a iittle more smarts here. Putting Feely on ice and trading Rhodes, one with a large question mark and the other with no replacement. Was Rhodes really that much trouble, or did Mike T. decide that a 4th and 7th was a good investment?
Gotta rec based upon the interest derived. The fans have really responded.
A lot of people will be throwing names out there right now from the draft, and over rate them because it’s easier to believe that we can get someone to come in and do a job straight away, than take the more logical approach that anyone not named Berry or Thomas is going to take some time to get used to the system, the NFL and maybe just won’t be good enough. There are options. Taylor Mays is one…….now I think people now my feeling on that and we don’t want to go over it again, but looking at more video on him, just to prepare in case Mike T does make the jump for him, I’m still not convinced he will ever be a safety, but you can never be sure. However I’m fairly confident in saying that with him as starter, the Jets will take a massive leap backwards next year, and that goes for Nate Allen, Chad Jones, Myron Rolle and every other safety in this draft.
I’m not ready to say Mike T has no back up plan yet, as far as we know, he is now putting an offer sheet together for Otogwe that the Rams simply can’t match, if that’s the case and we get that caliber of player without having to give up a draft pick, will be doing somersaults in the street. Another option is Landry from Baltimore, he is Rex’s guy but the downside is we would have to give up a 2nd round pick, and that hurts, when you create a hole, get a 4th rounder for your trouble, and have to spend a 2nd rounder filling it. The other is Bethea from Indianapolis, but with a first round tender, I’d be beyond annoyed at that.
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At first
I wanted the Jets to trade Rhodes but after thinking about it, I thought it would have been in the best interest to keep him. I’m just not sure why he couldn’t pry a 3rd rounder out of AZ instead of a 4th and 7th. I think we all would have been happier with just a 3rd.
So now what do they do? There is no way they give up a 2nd rounder for Landry. With Reed on the verge of retirement I doubt Baltimore would let him walk anyway. I just can’t see the Jets taking a S in the first round when a pass rusher is what we need.
By the way what do you think Bryan Thomas’s trade value is? If we sign Thomas wouldn’t he become expendable?
I’m not sure, Adalius is hardly a spring chicken, and with the ineffective Gholston behind him, if he goes down, then we are up **** creek without a paddle. I have to think that Bryan is back with us next season even if we do bring Thomas on board….
Are the Patriots going to release him? I can’t see them just releasing him and letting him pop on over to their main rivals next year.
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Good player or not
A guy has to follow the team philosophy. If he is going to cause problems in the locker room, any compensation you can get is worth it to get him out of there.
Terrible trade, we could've got more
I didn’t like trading him in the first place, but for THIS? Ugh, after last year I’ll keep my mouth shut, Rex has earned the right for us not scream at him after everything but this really is a poor trade in my opinion.
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WTF!!!
We just got robbed!
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