Rex Discusses Cromartie
by John B on Mar 6, 2010 1:27 PM EST
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PrintRex released a statement about the trade.
"He’s got great man cover skills that are unusual. It’s rare to see a corner with his ball skills. He’s a difference maker. There’s an old saying when you evaluate corners - ‘Can they find it? Can they catch it?’ - and he can do all that.
"He’s got long arms where he can press you at the line of scrimmage. He’ll fit perfectly into our system. Now, we don’t necessarily have to always put Revis on the toughest guy. We can switch it up. This pair gives us even more options on defense. We should be able to disguise what we’re doing a little better than we’ve done in the past.
"He’s going to be a huge, huge addition for us because what he’s going to bring to the table from a physical standpoint is going to be tremendous. He’s got some unbelievable gifts and we’re just fortunate to have him on our team. When you combine him with the players that we already have, we’re going to be really tough on defense."
The one thing that stuck out was his comment about putting Cromartie on the other team's best receiver sometimes. Can't say I'm crazy about that idea. I loved the fact Revis stuck with the other team's top guy almost exclusively last year. It's what made his so valuable. Cromartie isn't as good of a cover guy. Why change from what worked? Stick the best corner on the best receiver all the time.
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I think he is really just trying to highlight the options we have now where if a certain WR is having a good game, and he isn’t necessarily the #1 Revis has, we can shift some coverages. The former Baltimore Ravens scout was saying after this trade that Rex said while working Cromartie out pre-draft, that he had the best work out of any defensive back.
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He has the physical ability to be as good as any DB in the game.
Unfortunately he hasn’t been able to put it all together. Cro was well on his was to becoming my favorite player after 2007. He was just a beast that year. 2008 he played most of the year with a fracture in his hip and was the most burned corner in the league. I can’t imagine what its like just living with a broken hip for 3-4 months, let alone trying to play DB in the NFL. 2009 did not start out well for Cro but after the game @ Pitt he seemed to find his stride, with a few hiccups here and there. I think he is going to have phenomenal season for you guys. After the NY@SD game though, I don’t think he’d be very welcome in the Chargers locker room. http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=2&thread=1584335&page=1&pc=4
Cro could’ve definitely shown a little more effort there. But the whole damn defense collapsed on that play. D-Line and LBs got blown off the screen; Merriman half-assed it; Safety gave a lame effort. And from the EZ angle it actually looks like Greene might have been a step past him already. Not really sure i want my corner taking on 230 lb backs in the hole anyway.
Cro definitely should be embarrassed about that play, but so should the entire Charger defense to a man.
Softness breeds softness. That kind of effort won’t fly here. Not expecting to see it.
by Crackback on Mar 6, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree 100%
I can live with lack of talent but lack of effort is just a dagger to the heart. I don’t foresee that being a problem under Rex.
I think if it were to happen under Rex then he wouldn’t find himself in the starting line-up too much. He and the Jets organization seem to think that playing man-to-man will really get him back to 2007 form, is that something you would agree with? I didn’t know the Chargers had switched to a zone until we played you.
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Yes
I believe playing man and limiting his responsibilities allows his athleticism to shine. He will get beat by a good double move from time and he will have some mental lapses, but he has the speed to recover. It should also be noted 2007 was the last year the Chargers had a healthy Jamal Williams and Shawne Merriman on the field together. I honestly expect big things from him this year. I would say there is a 10-15% chance he has a bad game or two (he’s gonna see a lot of balls thrown his way) and if the media turns on him it could get ugly. That’s definitely not somethings he used to dealing with in SD so we’ll see how he responds to the pressure.
I think if our blitzes are effective and we give him safety help, putting him a #1 isnt an issue. Cut down the timing of the throw, give him extra help in case of the long ball, and let the man do what he does best: HAWK.
I agree, it just opens things up more
we could even see Revis blitz off the edge and drop back to free safety like we saw with Woodson last year. I think that giving Revis a few plays a game to roam the field at safety and look to make plays (look how many picks he had last year playing man coverage, never seeing the ball until it was almost there, with Revis dropping back into a deep zone once in a while, it can confuse QB’s, who will expect Revis to be manning their number 1 guy, Revis could be a terror getting to play deep and read the QB a few plays a game) will be a good thing. Perhaps we will see a Charles Woodson type statistical season. A few sacks, being moved around the field a little bit more now, because we have that luxury. I like the idea of the QB not being sure of what Revis is going to be doing pre snap.
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Revis wasnt never ALWAYS on the best reciever
Sure, on most snaps he was. but they mixed it up, especially against san diego. But dont worry about defensive schemes, Rex knows what hes doing. Its silly to think Revis should ALWAYS line up here and Cro should ALWAYS line up here. Rex is all about confusion, and this only make that easier. Revis will probably still be on the top reciever most of the time, but when Cro is, its not like hes going to be on an island. There is only 1 corner on that planet that can do that.
Dont waste your time worrying about our defensive schemes.
Revis should spend the majority of the time on the other team’s best receiver. It is in no way silly to suggest that.
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and thats going to happen
just i wouldnt start to question rex’s defensive scheming. i would estimate that revis was on the number 1 reciever abour 70-75% of the time.
for example, playing the colts, you can put revis on clark, cromartie w/ saftey help on wayne, and everyone else on garcon/collie. jsut mixing it up confuses QB’s, cause you know they are constantly looking where revis is going to be.
Then I don’t really see what you’re arguing with me for. That’s a lot like last year’s defense. The quote seemed to imply they could be used interchangeably, which I am leery of.
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I don't think interchangeably,
I just think Revis will be able to do a lot more things that he didn’t do last year because he was always covering. Only like half the teams have a true number 1 receiver, there will be plenty of games where Cromartie can easily matchup with the “number 1” of the other team. Part of the reason Woodson was so awesome last year was that he got to do a lot of different things, which we will see from both Cromartie and Revis imo. We will see them blitz a little, we will see different kind of matchups where Revis or Cromartie drops into a zone as a safety and reads the QB instead of just covering somebody. I remember seeing somebody say last year that if Revis was playing Darren Sharpers position he would have 12 picks easily. We will see a bit of that, I think it will be good to move these guys around, put them in different situations to make plays, Revis will have a chance to do something that will show up in statistics, I just think its goo having both of these guys. Of course, in a game that is important, you stick Revis on the number one and Cromartie on the number 2, but it just opens up so many different possibilities, which is a wonderful thing when you have a defensive mastermind like Rex Ryan.
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Revis will have a chance to do something that will show up in statistics, I just think its goo having both of these guys
If Cromartie plays up to his potential, absolutely. And I’m not saying the team is doomed or anything. I just think the way they used Revis this year was optimal. More of a nitpick than abject rage.
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I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think Woodson was as valuable as Revis last year. I don’t think anything Darrelle did could be more valuable than matching up with the other number one.
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Right,
but if we are playing Miami, theres a possibility I would rather move Revis around, blitz him, let him play safety for a few plays, let him do his normal thing, instead of just having him on Davone Bess or Tedd Ginn every single play, know what I mean? When we play New England, sure, stick him on Randy Moss, and don’t ask any questions, but I think it is a good thing that teams don’t know 100 percent what Revis will be doing pre snap. I get what you are saying, that doing what Revis did last year, he really couldn’t have been better, he locked down all the guys that were thrown at him, I just don’t think it is a bad thing that we’re going to have the option to give Revis an opportunity to be a playmaker. Or, in that New England game, after Revis has been stuck on Moss all day, you line him up over Moss, , but have him drop back to safety and have Cromartie guard Moss for a play, I think it just gives Rex a whole myriad of new options we didn’t have last year. If sticking Revis on WR1 is what will give us the best chance to win in a given game, I’m sure that’s what will happen.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
And also, switching Revis and Cromartie back and forth all game on a certain guy
can confuse the QB and the WR, because Cromartie and Revis play different styles. Say on a quick slant, Revis is more likely to just punish a guy right off the line, and never actually let him run his route, where Cromartie is more likely to get his hands on a WR at the line, by doing this he can tell what kind of route a guy is going to run and on that same quick slant that doesn’t get thrown against Revis because he jams his guy and never lets him open, Cromartie is probably looking to bait a QB into the throw so he can jump it. Depending on who we play in certain games, Revis or Cromartie might be better suited against a certain receiver. Just say we’re playing the Giants, I’d rather stick Revis on Hakeem Nicks, the big physical guy and let Cromartie play on Steve Smith, even though statistically, Smith is probably their number one guy. I think Cromartie is a perfect complement to Darrelle Revis. I really thinks this brings a flexibility to our defense that we didn’t have last year.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
What to do what to do.
This obviously gives us flexibility in the draft, and I still wouldn’t be opposed to taking a corner at 29. However, I would love for us to trade down and take advantage of a deep draft.
Rex seems to love having flexability with his defense, almost to an absurd degree. He likes to disguise coverages, and blitzes, and constantly mix things up. I think thats what he’s getting at, Crom’s addition lends himself greatly to his style of coaching. Bring A Thomas next. He may not be able to play as much cb as he used to, but he brings the same kind of versatility Rex loves.
The Jets defense is going to be filthy good in the new Madden.
It’s going to be fun to finally be able to go play online, use the Jets, and have them be better then like an 84 overall.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
Lets hope this is what we are getting.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8062c6d1/2007-Best-of-Antonio-Cromartie
by Phrenitis on Mar 6, 2010 6:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
yeah boyy
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
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