Cimini: Jets Not Considering Brandon Marshall
by John B on Mar 5, 2010 12:10 PM EST
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PrintCimini has an odd blog post this morning asking aloud whether Antrel Rolle might pop by Florham Park when he visits with the Giants. In there, though, he does have a nugget of information.
One thing I feel fairly certain about: Do not expect the Jets to show a renewed interest in Broncos WR Brandon Marshall, an RFA.
That's fine by me. It would take a lot to land Marshall, and it's a heavy investment in a guy with major character issues. How much better would he be than Braylon Edwards?
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I don't see why everyone's so opposed.
First of all, I dunno where everyone gets the idea that Brandon Marshall’s a pure deep threat and therefore Braylon makes him irrelevant. Most of his receptions are are short/intermediate and he averages like between 10~12 YPC. He catches the ball better than Braylon, too. He’s a jack of all trades, and think he would complement Braylon quite well, and it would make it very hard for opposing defenses to double up on either receiver, and it gives us a chance to use J-Co in the slot where he would absolutely DOMINATE.
Is a 1st pick really that much to give up on him? Are we gonna get a better WR in the 1st round with our pick? Or a better RFA with it without giving up more? If we could somehow swing a trade to get a 3rd rounder in order to get Miles Austin then I’d try to go for him but that’s a stretch, not to mention Dallas would match friggin’ anything to keep him. Unless we were somehow gonna get Dez Bryant with that first pick, I don’t see why the hell not we shouldn’t. Personal issues be damned.
The question is do we need him though? I don’t think we need to spend a first rounder at that position, we are already strong on the outside with Cotchery and Braylon. Marshall is coming out of a murder case where he was the target, as been arrested numerous times. Locker room harmony is already a little bit stretched with the release of Jones, giving money to someone like that is just not logical in my opinion. With Sanchez growing and maturing, Braylon will get better, he has too much talent not to. We don’t need Brandon and his baggage.
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Braylon was another guy with a lot of personal issues and we saw a complete turnaround out of him. I don’t know if Brandon would do the same, but I think guys just need to be in a good situation. Whether we like it or not, WRs are temperamental as hell and Shanahan is a prick and McDaniels seems to be even worse (like a true Belichick disciple). Rex is a player’s coach and I can see Brandon taking a liking to him immediately and putting an end to all the personal BS. The murder case is troubling, but the rest I think can be chalked up to being in a really bad situation (personally) in Denver… A change of scenary helps a lot.
As far as if we NEED him, no. But he or another elite WR would I think ensure that our offense makes that leap from potentially-good to definitely-at-least-very-good-to-potentially-great. Think about it. We’d have one guy who is a proven bonafide elite #1 WR (Marshall), one guy who is even better given that he actually catches the ball across the field from him (Edwards), and another guy who has #1 WR talent in the slot (Cotch). A potentially scary receiving threat from the TE position (Keller). An excellent receiver out of the backfield (Washington). A bruising back who can truck his way through to the open field and take it to the house (Greene). A young star-in-the-making QB in Sanchez who played his best game on the last day of the season against a team that probably could have gone undefeated in the regular season if they had cared to. And all of that behind the best OL in the league with its two most important pieces (LT and C) being young and coming off of Pro Bowl years, Mangold being inarguably the best in the league at his position.
If that alone doesn’t make your pants tighter, you know what else that would do too? It would make the defense better. We’d be putting up points and forcing teams to pass to catch up. Throwing against Revis and Cromartie in man-to-man press coverage. Rhodes ballhawking, Leonhard shooting the A-gap with Harris or Scott shooting the other. Maybe even a pass rushing specialist that we acquire late in the draft or maybe Jamaal Westerman more opportunities (and god knows maybe even Gholston) blitzing too. Dude, we could almost realistically see like 40~50 turnovers from that D. How scary a team would the Jets be?
I’m not saying that he is not a good player, or he would improve the team. I just feel like you don’t need to have a player like Marshall when you have Edwards. To keep both of them happy we are going to have to throw a hell of a lot, talking of ego, Marshall has one. He was happy with Cutler because he was getting over 150 targets a season, he won’t get anyway near that now, and it would move the team away from what we do best, and that’s have a dominate O-line who can push the defense around and wear them down with a good running game.
This isn’t just a Denver thing though, he was getting done for assault while in college, 11 domestic violence accusations, DUI’s, battery charges, disorderly conduct. His rap sheet reads like a how you can break the law guide.. Braylon was unhappy and punched someone. In terms of legal baggage these two are not even in the same league, not even playing the same sport.
I completely understand where you are coming from but we really don’t need his baggage, and I’m personally thankful that it seems Mike T agrees and we are not looking at him. We already have a good passing game, I know it didn’t look like it last season, but with Sanchez maturing, we saw in the post-season how lethal that can be. Unnecessary risk with Brandon.
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Okay... that's... really bad :(
…so like, would it kill you if we were to get Miles Austin somehow? Like seriously though, if someone bit on one of our 2nd or 3rd round tenders, then we put a poison pill in the contract… >_>
I like Miles Austin, we would need to get a third round pick so that means either Clemens or Eric Smith right? I’m still not sure if we need a receiver badly enough to give up a first and third round selection. I would feel more comfortable with Austin rather than Marshall though. That’s for sure.
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I'm still a little bit pissed we didn't get him last year for (well, at least now it would be considered) peanuts
I KNEW he was gonna blow up like he did. I saw it coming from MILES away [rimshot]
I agree with Dave here. If we were more established (ie both Rex and Sanchez) I’d be more inclined to do it. But we’re still a pretty young football team. Let Mark solidify with his current group. Maybe draft Shipley to help out on 3rd down. There’s just not enough balls to go around right now and both of those prima donnas would whine, and Mark isn’t ready to handle that kinda BS right now.
I’m just a little worried that this might be our last chance in a while to get an amazing talent at WR like that. Who knows, every skill guy on offense besides Leon probably should be improving, maybe we get Shipley and he turns into a fantastic slot guy… the offense could be really good without a Brandon Marshall or Miles Austin-esque talent.
I’m just afraid that “really good” offenses aren’t gonna cut it anymore in the league. Sure, we’re only 2 years away from the Steelers’ championship and 3 from the Giants winning it, but rules changes keep rigging the game in favor of the offense, particularly the passing offense. We just saw two of the top passing offenses in the league duke it out in the Super Bowl, which by the way was the most watched program in television history. We saw a 51-45 shootout in the divisional round that I’m pretty sure damn near everyone considered the best game of the year—a game in which running the ball was an afterthought and defense was practically outlawed.
It’s in the NFL’s best interest for passing offenses to succeed because it’s what people want to see. It only makes sense for them to continue rigging the game in its favor. Therefore, I think it would be in the Jets’ best interest to try to make the passing offense as elite as possible in a hurry.
But anyway, we’re gonna pass on Brandon and Miles, but at least there’s some hope given that Marshall was like what a 4th round pick? and Miles went undrafted. Hopefully we can snag a guy like that this year or next, and there’s a couple of guys that are slated to go late have that sort of potential.
It seems like Seattle are seriously considering him……so if they do indeed offer, Denver won’t hesitate in not matching. 6th overall pick this year…yes please.
I agree to an extent Exystence, but I also agree with the fact that wide receivers can pop out of nowhere. I like taking one later in the draft every year just in case.
Although this year you know I’m all for Shipley.
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B.Marshall
Is a cancer on and off the field. Don’t let this guy fool ya he’s terrible, and would cost you a pick that is greatly needed. If you need a WR so bad draft Golden Tate, with your #1, not some punk that think’s he’s the shit. Yes, he is a great player on the field, but that’s it.
Sorry to tell you,
but Brandon Marshall absolutely is the shit.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
Yes, he is a great player on the field, but that’s it.
Personally, thats the only thing I care about. We aren’t trying to win community leader awards. I understand Brandon Marshall doesn’t fit here, but man, some people talking about the guy like he is some scrub. He is probably the most desirable wide receiver in the NFL right now on this side of Calvin Johnson, and he is 25, looks to be on his way to a hall of fame career. But looking at the comments here, you would think he is Roy Williams.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
Yeah so let me get this right
You don’t care what he does off the field as long as he’s good on the field? Kinda like the O.J thing, i don’t care if he killed someone because he’s a hall of famer, so it’s OK if he got away with it. Now i’m not comparing what he did to what O.J, but that kind of thinking is why our society has gone to shit.
I guess you have never had to be on a team (athletically or otherwise) with a complete ahole and saw the kind of dynamic that develops. Either that or you are that ahole. Team chemistry is extremely impotant, especially when any kind of variable rocks the boat. I’ve seen many people who act like it doesnt exist, or say it shouldnt, but it does. This aint to vidya game and it aint played on paper. Broken down to its fundamentals like any other team oriented goal, its primarily about the relationship between people.
Actually when I was in highschool,
my hockey team was split into two different teams and combined with a another coach and team. We had a bunch of tools on my team who I hated, but who cares, its hockey, you play and you get over it. My coach was the worst of the worst, but you deal with it and you play.
Any team that Marshall would just be able to walk in and destroy the locker room isn’t a good enough team to win shit anyway.
Yes, CPT, lets compare Brandon Marshall to a murderer, because you are a whiny Chiefs fan who has watched Marshall kick the shit out of your awful team for years now.
If the Broncos didn’t collapse down the stretch two years in a row would we be talking like this about Marshall? I doubt it. I thought this was about the money, not whatever minor off the field issues he has had. This is the NFL, you want to build a team of boyscouts, go ahead, but your team is going to suck.
Broken down to its fundamentals like any other team oriented goal, its primarily about the relationship between people.
Maybe, but it also is about talent.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
Also, I don't even think Marshall fits here
I was clear about that. But he is 25 and without a shadow of a doubt in the top 5 receivers in football. Compare him to murderers all you want, doesn’t make the comparison valid, and it doesn’t make Marshall any worse of a player, no matter how sad it makes Chiefs fans.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
that to me is a very backwards, ignorant 18th century way of thinking. The old “toughen up, stop crying” response. The way I see it when people act like complete dbags to the point where it interferes with what we are trying to accomplish as a team they need to be held accountable. I have had no problems doing that on teams I’ve been on, and any coach worth his salt wouldnt deal with crap like that for a second. (this seems like the root of your hockey teams problem, ultimately, poor leadership) Ironically as well, the big mouth aholes, are often akin to bullies in the sense that when you lay it all out in front of them and give them their options, they run with their till between their legs. People like that arent winners, in any sense of life. I dont want them on my team.
Money guys. We gotta sign Revis soon. His contract is gonna be HUGE. We will have to sign Cro to a big contract as well. And if hes a ball hawk and ends up with a ton of picks then his stats are gonna command a ton. .Washington wanted his payday before he got hurt and If he proves himself he’s gonna want to break the bank again. And then you gotta back up the BRINKS TRUCK for Marshall or hes gonna start punting balls into the parking lot untill he gets a contract. And dont talk about the uncapped year. We just built a brand new stadium the size of Rhode Island. This team is on some sort of a buget, like it or not. Where the hell is all this money comin from?
Great Idea, lets Blow the wad on Brandon Marshall while our Franchise QB is still figuring out to NOT THROW 20 PICKS A SEASON. IT’S NOT WORTH IT
by colinyoung on Mar 5, 2010 3:56 PM EST reply actions
As far as where the money is coming from
Johnson & Johnson is a pharmaceutical… and in the US, if there’s one market that is making real money, it’s the pharmaceuticals. But yeah that’s a really good point too, I’ve kind of been taking for granted that there’s never going to be a cap again, but who knows really.
The rumor around the league is that alot ot the owners are making their GMs adhear to a make-shift cap that is predetermined by them. Prob bc of the economy I guess.
by colinyoung on Mar 5, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
If there was never a cap again, it would turn into the MLB where this isn’t a lot of parity. I don’t really think most people would like that, especially not the majority of fans. I think Marlins fans would love it if their (stupid as hell) owners were required to spend almost as much as the Yankees.
We don’t have to sign Cromartie to a big deal just yet. If I remember correctly, this season is going to be a contract year for him. I think that will be a good thing for the Jets. But I agree with you, they shouldn’t go after Marshall.
Here’s a newsflash. We’re a run first team. I like that a lot. Teams who get all fancy and throw the ball around to much are simply not at successful winning championships as teams that run the ball and play great d. With Sanchez’s continued maturity, we definitely might see the Jets throw the ball more as he develops, but they hopefully wont change their identity (which they finally have, after YEARS)
U mean like the Niners, Cowboys, and Patriots? All of the modern dynasties threw it more than they ran it. If Marshall and Edwards weren’t each potential malcontents it would be a no brainer. I prefer a balanced approach like the Cowboys.
The formula is simple: score a lot of points, control as much of the clock as possible, limit turnovers, and hit the quarterback often. But actually being able to execute the formula is very hard.
niners=west coast offense, short throws used like runs. Yeah it worked and a lot of teams tried the same philosophy including the Jets. It didnt work out so well for them. Look around the nfl, not much from the west coast offense.
cowboys=as you mentioned they were more of a split. I would argue thought that Emmitt and their oline was a bigger player in their success than troy boy and that jackass michael irvin. Also, their d was nothing to sneeze at.
Patsies=again a lot of short throws used like runs. Also a near dominant defense to go with it. Teams finally figured: get to Brady, stop their O. The Giants did. Other teams followed suit and started sending the house. Brady severely injured.
Scoring a bunch of points just isnt necessary when you have a dominant defense. Taking risks through the air can put the opponent back in the game in a heartbeat. (cough Brett Favre cough) My point is running it consistently is less risk and ultimately higher reward. Its not as sexy to watch ( I love it though) but its what will get this team to where they want to be. Especially with our hc as rex ryan, he’s not exactly bill freaking walsh. (and dont start me on B Schott)
Lastly, thankfully the nfl is finally wising up to playing the super bowl in less than dome like conditions. (as long as it brings in more $ of course) With this new wrinkle, teams that spend more time running the ball will enjoy further advantage in harsh feb climates.
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