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Jets Trade for Antonio Cromartie

Adam Schefter reports on Twitter the Jets and Chargers have agreed to a trade to bring Antonio Cromartie to Gang Green.

Filed to ESPN: Chargers traded cornerback Antonio Cromartie to Jets for a 2011 third-round pick that could turn to a second.

Chargers get a 2011 third-round pick that turns to a second-round pick based on Antonio Cromartie's play time and the Jets performance.

The price isn't too bad. A third round pick for a guy with Cromartie's talent I can live with. As always if he plays well enough to give up a second, that's nothing any of us should complain about.

I can't say I love the deal, though. I'm on record that I think Cromartie's one of the most overrated players in the game. There might be no better guy at the position in terms of raw ability. He makes some spectacular plays. He also fails to make the routine plays an awful lot. He's also kind of a soft tackler, which scares me. This defense puts a lot of strain on corners. A missed tackle means a big, big gain in many cases.

Regardless of the cheap price, I'm not sure this is the guy I really want starting. I mean there's a reason San Diego is giving up a guy with his ability up so cheaply, right?

Then again, Rex does seem to get the most from his players. He turned a corner even more raw in Fabian Washington into a productive player in Baltimore. There's the Revis factor also. The Jets won't need Cromartie to cover the other team's best receiver, only the number two guy. Revis also will allow the team to roll coverage Antonio's way if need be.

I'm clearly conflicted on this right now. I guess for the price, it's worth rolling the dice. The first day of free agency is never dull for Jets fans, is it?

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It doesn’t look like GGN readers are as conflicted as I am.

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by John B on Mar 4, 2010 10:48 PM EST reply actions  

I think it's similar to last year with lito...

Fairly low risk, potential high-reward. If he plays poorly, you lost a third. If he plays like a pro bowler, you gave up a second for a pro bowler who is still young.

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 4, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Max Strauss on Mar 4, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a little conflicted, too. But the poll is either approve or approve. If there was a “conflicted” choice, there probably won’t be so many yes votes.

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by dvdvil on Mar 5, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I want Rex on him from day one with his tackling, he has some great ability but if he whiffs on tackles the fans will turn on him and Rex will lose patience. If we can get him to play physical like he wanted with more man-to-man then we have a steal here.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

I havent seen to much of him besides the divisional round game, Can he cover guys like Garcon/Collie?

by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Mar 4, 2010 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

It’s not a question of physical talent. Athletically he can match up with anybody.

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by John B on Mar 4, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

An he doesn’t even have to match up with the opposition’s best, thanks to Revis.

by revis_island on Mar 5, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Someone made a great point the other day that he had his Pro-Bowl season when SD had a great pass rush with Merriman at the top of his game. One thing we do well is pressure the QB. Maybe he can get back to his hawkish ways.

by Crackback on Mar 4, 2010 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

I certainly hope so. Apparently there is an article coming out in one of the San Diego papers tomorrow about all his legal/financial troubles. Will be interesting to hear what we are dealing with here in regards to that aspect.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It never ceases to amaze me a guy making that kind of money can get into financial trouble.

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by John B on Mar 4, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

haha tell me about it, all that child maintenance

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, theyre out ahead with the damage-control.

by Crackback on Mar 4, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I love it!! Sure, he can’t tackle, but those are some amazing hands. He’ll do fine. He has to. He’s about to become the most thrown at corner in the league.

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by Max VV on Mar 4, 2010 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

True that.

He’s going to keep getting thrown at.

Too bad the Nnamdi deal fell apart.
I love how it’s next years pick. It also helps the Jets manage the San Diego game again next year.
Who else would help the Jets personnel when it comes to gameplanning!

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by Max Strauss on Mar 4, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta love it when an article you write (Richard Marshall) is rendered moot an hour after it gets posted.

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by John B on Mar 4, 2010 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

Lol nature of the beast

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

One aspect I do like is it eliminates a potential Draft need.

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by John B on Mar 4, 2010 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

We really can’t lose with this one. Next year’s 3rd? At worst he’s as good as Lito (barring injury). At best, he’s an absolute hawk that hauls in 10 picks.

by Crackback on Mar 4, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted against pursuing Cromartie in that first poll, but that is a positive. Overall, I agree with the decision for that very reason and that he has potential. It could turn out to be well worth it. Unfortunately, it could turn out the other way too, but it’s worth seeing.

by random122 on Mar 4, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Random....peppers to washington

Random but the redskins are on the verge of getting peppers. I’m really surprised here, I mean since when does washington spend exuberant amounts of money on free agents and still manage to be horrendous?

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 4, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

Honestly I would have been surprised if Peppers ended up anywhere else.

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by John B on Mar 4, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Kinda feel bad for Washington fans. Your team making a big move should get you excited, but how could any of their fans get excited at this point?

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by John B on Mar 4, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i would just be frusturated. its almost like theyre trying too hard.

by Ryan Alfieri on Mar 4, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

and why do they need peppers anyway? theyre defense is pretty good already.

by Ryan Alfieri on Mar 4, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Washington just go after the big name to satisfy Snyder’s ego

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Perfect storm

The owner loves making big splashes, and Shanahan was always bringing in free agent defensive linemen in Denver.

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by John B on Mar 4, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

without an offensive line.

Bears can get him maybe…

If he lands with the Redskins, you have Peppers and Haynesworth, wow.

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by Max Strauss on Mar 4, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

What is sad is that it just proves yet again that these guys don’t care where they play, as long as they are making chips.

by BEB on Mar 5, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Huh? It was a trade. He’s ,aking the same money with us as he was with them. I don’t follow.

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

The Jets won’t need Cromartie to cover the other team’s best receiver, only the number two guy.

Which is the same as what he did in San Diego. New York has a superior pass rush, though.

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by Richard Wade on Mar 4, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

I just hope he gets his tackling sorted. He ducks out of a challenge with Rex’s team, he will be riding the pine

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s an odd fit for that reason. He doesn’t seem like a Rex Ryan type of guy. Perhaps Ryan can get him to play to his potential. I think Ryan calls more man coverage than Rivera did, so that should help.

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by Richard Wade on Mar 4, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yer we will play a ton of man coverage, but he will be thrown at a lot next season, anyone playing #2 to Revis will get hounded constantly. Can he handle the pressure

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there’s a good chance he succeeds in New York as long as he’s not asked to play too much zone because he tends to shy away from contact, although he has been known to randomly lay a big hit, so who knows?

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by Richard Wade on Mar 4, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well let’s hope Rex gets that random big hit to become a regular big hit.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course he’s a Rex Ryan guy! 7 kids with 7 women in 5 years? Way to KIIIIILLLL!!!!

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by Max VV on Mar 4, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Dockett tweeted that he knew that was happening with Rolle and he was going to bed. Seems Rolle is about to agree with the Bears (I’m just speculating here).

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

That’s fine as long as he doesn’t end up in miami…

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 4, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Dansby is another guy I don’t want to see in Miami. That would be every bit the impact move Bart Scott was for us a year ago.

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by John B on Mar 4, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

miami is the favorite for dansby

by Ryan Alfieri on Mar 4, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

Interesting offseason already.

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by Max Strauss on Mar 4, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

According to Newsday the team might not be the Bears but the Giants……in for Rolle

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's see the Jets get more picks.

Don’t forget Cromartie can return, so giving up Leon might be worth it. If the Jets can re-sign TJ for less.

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by Max Strauss on Mar 4, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

no way

if you lose leon for a 2nd rounder, in order for it to be a good move, your draft has to be as least AS GOOD as leon washington. not likely.

by Ryan Alfieri on Mar 4, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

great trade

made up for the feeley debacle

by Ryan Alfieri on Mar 4, 2010 11:05 PM EST reply actions  

Overhyped

The fact is he hasnt played great since his second year, and is just as soft as Ted Ginn.
I think he is simply an above average Corner.

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by Patssuck456 on Mar 4, 2010 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

Think about it.

Mike T would do this without consulting rex. and rex knows his stuff.

by Ryan Alfieri on Mar 4, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

For a third rounder in a draft that is likely going to be weak because everyone jumped ship this year. I think I will take the risk

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by Max Strauss on Mar 4, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I will say this. Giving up that pick is a lot different from giving up Shonn Greene.

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by John B on Mar 4, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

after dumping jones, i dont think greene was even in the conversation

by Ryan Alfieri on Mar 4, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

In my eyes although I wasn’t crazy about Cro, this is just too much value to not be crazy about the deal. Don’t have to do his contract till after 2010 either, so he has a year trial, will be playing out his skin for a contract…..his has baby mommas to feed

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Let’s now land Brandon Marshall!

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by Max Strauss on Mar 4, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell no, he does exactly what Braylon does, we don’t need that type of receiver for a first round pick in this draft.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn’t exactly have the same skillset, he’s better on the short/intermediate stuff and Edwards is better at burning corners… but Marshall also has much better hands. But yeah it’s silly to try to get him now >_>

by Exystence on Mar 5, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha +1

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by OnceYoureAJet on Mar 5, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Our sick defense just got sicker.

by BEB on Mar 4, 2010 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

well

this completely changes our draft so that how focus in the first 2 rounds should be DL and OLB that can rush the passer.

by secret defense on Mar 4, 2010 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

If you guys get any decent rookie capable of rushing the passer, your D will officially be out of this world.
Cromartie might be a pre madonna but he’s great in press man, and is a prefect fit for what you guys do.
Hopefully we dont play you in the playoffs in 2010.

by AirNorval on Mar 4, 2010 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

Glad that it’s not just us who think that. I’m thinking that we are going to draft either Jerry Hughes or Ricky Sapp.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

wow big news

 As far as value for the pick and addressing a big team need I think its a great move. However, there are a lot of other issues with Cromartie. It definitely raises red flags with me the 5 baby’s mommas and the fact that he was reportedly functionally illiterate while attending fsu. The guys life seems completely out of control in some ways. I hope the Jets have a good read on his character (pun intended)

by Ozone on Mar 4, 2010 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

The big question in my mind is...

Who/what does kerry rhodes yield?

A third
Rhodes for Osi?
Rhodes and maybe a 2nd or 3rd for Boldin?

On the note of a wr, I think that we’d still be nuts not to give denver the first for marshall btw…

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 4, 2010 11:47 PM EST reply actions  

That move does intrigue me. As much as I love Shipley, I think J-Co could play in the slot, and we would have 2 absolutely dynamic WRs on the outside.

by Crackback on Mar 4, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Leave Rhodes in the secondary, you realise just how much ball hawking he can do with Cromartie at the #2. last year he was always starting over towards Lito’s side and so had more ground to make up. With him playing a true centre field role allowed to ball hawk as much as possible. Kerry could have a big year in 2010. Give the guy a chance. Trading him would be a big mistake IMO

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I was talking about trading the 1st to Denver for Marshall.

I agree with leaving the secondary as is now.

by Crackback on Mar 4, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

We just took on more baggage, do we really want a guy just coming out of a murder case he was tangled in, who has been arrested numerous times, dropped more balls than Braylon, and threw a hissy fit during training camp when he didn’t get his way. Would be a locker nightmare. Leave Brandon in Denver, we don’t need that kind of guy here, we already have a good 1-2, we need a true Slot guy, and that isn’t Cotch.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He's still elite...

And would give the jets a legit passing game…

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 4, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

We will have a legit passing game once Sanchez improves and Braylon has a full off-season to work out. Risk not worth it in my opinion.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think i still prefer Hughes with the first pick to be honest. Hughes and Pace as bookends is a nice duo. And god forbid Gholston wakes up and joins in the fun.

by Crackback on Mar 4, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Same here, I just don’t think we need to risk a first round pick on a potential head case

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 4, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Braylon can workout all season but he will continue to drop balls…not saying marshall wouldn’t but I just feel like we don’t need as much as we did in past years and a late first is worth the risk to me. I mean if we could give up a first for doug jolley, we can do the same for Brandon Marshall, lol. Btw, we do need a pass rusher, but I feel like we’re going to get adalius, which could lead to more blitz packages revolving around pace.

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 4, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

im on board with ya barnaby…Get Adalius, add some young pass rush and dbs in the draft and our D is going to make last year look weak.

by Ozone on Mar 5, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Brandon dropped more than Braylon last year, and we don’t have to give up a first for Braylon. A late first in 2010 is like a mid first in most other years. Would be a bad decision, we are perhaps a pass rusher away from being a Superbowl team, Brandon would be a risk.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

pfft i wish we could have tendered Braylon a first and have another 1 to work with. WR far overrated. Especially on this team.

by Ozone on Mar 5, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Hypothetical, if we get adalius and could possibly swing rhodes and a late pick to the giants for osi, then do you take a chance on marshall?

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 5, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Dont want Osi. Dont think he can play 3-4 OLB,

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

No, because of what Crack said, Osi not really a OLB in the 3-4.

Also that leaves a gap at Safety to be filled, Smith doesn’t have the range to be a every week safety.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Brandon dropped more than Braylon because he was thrown at way more often

He makes catches at a much higher percentage than Braylon. Just looking at drops is really misleading.

by Exystence on Mar 5, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

the jets finally have an offensive mentality and a team mentality …Its ground and pound on O and the best D in the league. That formula wins championships. They dont need to change their O to try to be the 99 rams.

by Ozone on Mar 4, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

A good passing game opens up the rushing game…and we still need another receiver never the less…

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 5, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but the Jets are a team predicated on the run, as mentioned, and as most teams are. If anything too, Schott needs to utilize play action far more. With the Jets you let the run open up the pass.

by Ozone on Mar 5, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Which is why when Braylon came last year the running game opened up, the run game is already opened up. We don’t need to spend a first to open it up some more

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

We dont need Marshall, Edwards is a better team guy and he does some things that dont show up in the stats, like great blocking. I also think Kerry needs to remain a Jet. I think he got the message last year. As far as Cromartie, the price was right. Deion didnt tackle either and he is the best CB to play the game. We just got a lot better tonight.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m too high on Rex. I feel that he would make any player love him no matter their past, thus leaving the locker room without drama. From the few games I’ve seen Marshall play in, he seems to catch balls all over the field. I love his ability, and even if he dropped more passes than Braylon, I feel like he was thrown to tons more. With that being said, I would like Braylon or Brandon, but not both, just seems a bit unnecessary. I think Brandon is a slightly better player, but I like what Braylon’s done so far. A true slot receiver would be the best option in my opinion also.

by random122 on Mar 5, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree, I’m not saying Brandon is not a good player, but you can’t have both, and unles someone gives us a first and third for Braylon, this wouldn’t be a good idea. Braylon is the better blocker as well, a much better blocker.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point. I wasn’t even thinking about that. In our offense, I think the better blocking elevates his value above Marshall’s.

by random122 on Mar 5, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Leon only goes if the 2nd is a good one…

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 5, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Its not a trade. We don’t have much control. All we can do is match the offer. If its too high it good-by, but we get the 2nd as compensation.

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t mind Odrick/Hughes and Shipley lol

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I would take jahvid best at some point too to complement greene….

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 5, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t like Jahvid Bust at all. Call me crazy but I don’t think Spiller will pan out either.

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I just think that best will be a good complementary back…not a good starter, but we have greene

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 5, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah ur right. He could do the 3rd down thing. I was thinking feature back, and he just won’t hold up in that case.

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I would like his home run potential on 3rd

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Best was a beast, not sure if he can do it in the NFL, but depends where abouts his stock sits come draft day

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Well obviously, but my point is that the jets will most likely match all deals (within reason) unless its a high 2nd….

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 5, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I cant see a team giving up a #2 on Leon

You are talking about a major injury here. A number 2 is a lot for a player who might not be the same.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I can’t see it either to be perfectly honest, but you never know

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

If we lost Leon

I wonder if they would bring TJ back

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I honestly don’t see TJ coming back out of pride…

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 5, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Me either, but you never know, TJ is a vet, he wants to get paid, but he also wants to win. Guy is a competitor, and time is running out for him to do that

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

But the team will miss his leadership. I just hope they dont bring in LT. I dont think he has anything left.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

They won’t. They aren’t the patriots who go over old players and pray that they can get a year out of them.

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 5, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

They won’t. They aren’t the patriots who go over old players and pray that they can get a year out of them.

Yeah, stupid Bellichick and the Pats don’t know how to run a football organization at all. One good year (where the Pats still won the division by the way), and we all get cocky and think we have something over the Pats. I hate them like you do, but they are a damn good organization.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I never said all of that. I just said that they rely on veteran players who have barely nothing left to carry the ball. The haven’t had a legit, young running back since curtis martin. And please don’t say maroney is legit…

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 5, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate The Pats But

They arent taking fliers on impact guys, they bring in vets for certain roles. Nothing wrong with that. The Jets have tried the same thing over the years.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the Pats have had issues at running back,

although I think Maroney can still be good. He was pretty solid in his first two years. They don’t really run though, maybe they will now without Welker. You are right, they have had issues at running back, but in general they run themselves pretty well.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

onna be tough for them next year. Even if Welker makes it back, he won’t be the same. Then again, Tom was winning freakin Superbowls with a band of nobodies.

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget

Next year will be one of the weakest drafts of all time if there’s a lockout

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by michael28102 on Mar 5, 2010 12:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I love this.

I said earlier that I thought Cromartie would do great in our defense. The last year of Merrimans dominance, and the end of the dominant pass rush SD had was also the end of Cromartie playing good ball. I think he will thrive here. I wonder if there is any chance that he can move to safety if Rhodes is traded/released. Either way, I think he is a playmaker next year and scores at least a few TD’s on defense.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

Let’s not let personal feeling on a players charterer come into effect here, you were the first to speak out against people who you thought were too attached to certain players, and I think you may be so fed up with Rhodes you are losing sight of just what he could do with Cro and Revis and just want him out of town regardless. 2010 would be a perfect opportunity for Kerry to mend bridges and get back to his old form, with him not having to cheat over to the #2 spot like he was last year, he can really ball hawk, his range this year could put this secondary on the map as one of the best. We have just fulfilled our biggest need to give us a nice unit, let’s not try and over turn too much from our AFC Championship team, regardless of whether you like the player or not.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

character*

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

If the Jets Rid Themselves Of Rhodes

Who replaces him? Even if you drafted a sfety, you are weaking the position for the time being. The Jets are in win now mode, Rhodes is the best option they can have at safety. Was he lazy at times? Yes. But he also came on after the benching. I say keep Kerry.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d again.

Were on the same path tonight YJ

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't like Rhodes,

but I don’t see what that has to do with my last post. I just wondered aloud if they had given any thought to moving Cromartie to safety. You are right though, I don’t like Rhodes, I used to love him, but he just doesn’t seem to care, either that or he just isn’t good enough. I don’t like him as a Rex Ryan safety. He never makes plays on the ball or puts a big hit on anybody. I don’t think he wants to be here, and I don’t think he has been the same since he got his paper.

The reasons I don’t like Rhodes aren’t anything personal, I just don’t think he is a good football player for this defense. I don’t think he has great range, and I don’t think he brings much to our defense anymore. It’s clear he isn;t going to hit anybody. It’s not personal.

I also don’t know how much he actually came on after his benching, I mean, he had a couple picks that were thrown right at him, and one kind of good hit on Chad Johnson. The fact that we are praising his mediocre play coming back after being benched says it all to me.

Rhodes sucked in 2008, maybe it was because of Mangini, but he wasn’t a factor. I thought he would thrive this year under Rex, and he just didn’t. I still don’t really know why this got started, I do wonder if the brass has considered using Cromartie as a safety, and I don’t want Rhodes back, but I didn’t say we should cut him, at least not in this topic.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Our D in 2010 will change with Cro, watch the game tape back, Kerry was always having to cheat over to protect over Lito, he won’t really have to do that much this year. I personally think Kerry has excellent range when playing a true centre field role, which he hasn’t done for some time. I see no reason to weaken an area that we have just strengthened, give Kerry a chance, confident that you will love him again by the end of 2010.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope so.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

You never know

I hope it winds up a second because that will mean he played well, but I thought Lito would be better than he was.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

true, but I have to imagine the parameters for it to turn from a 3rd to a 2nd are pretty favourable to the Chargers. No knowledge just what I’m thinking

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

apparently the elevators involve Cros playing time, and the Jets performance

by AirNorval on Mar 5, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Why does this mean they don’t think too much of Kerry?

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think we were dangling Kerry to be perfectly honest, I have not seen one thing saying we were, and by accounts I have heard, the Arizona talks were started by Arizona.

I think Kerry is a Jet next year

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I Think Kerry Will Remain A Jet

If T is as smart as I think he is. They would be fools to weaken the secondary trading away Kerry for a pick.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The best pick we are getting for Kerry would be a 3rd maximum, your not finding a player to replace him who is as good as him there. We are in win now mode, not strengthen then weaken.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Not True

They gave up a third and Kerry isnt bringing a 2nd

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

2011 3rd that could be a 2nd, not the same at all. If you want a 2011 2nd for Kerry, then we have to test your sanity.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Not this year it isn’t

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

u really dont think the jets are a 1 an done team

i think they have alot of young talent and if smart can keep it going

by Troy O on Mar 5, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Dont Think They Are One And Done

But they need to get some depth at O-Line and DLine, guys are getting older. Safety is not where they need to worry, they need other stuff.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Can you really see Rhodes bringing a 2nd rounder?

And what wouldve been the point of that trade? What Safety are they bringing in?

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Kerry may be able to get a 2nd rounder next season on a similar deal to Cro’s. It starting as a 3rd and rising based on performance. No way he gets a 2nd this year, no way, no how. In the mean time who we playing at safety.

Sorry man, it just doesn’t make sense to me

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

You think a pick ..

will help us reach the SB this year over a proven Safety? I cant see it.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially not what Kerry could bring back, a 3rd?? no thanks.

Taylor Mays would be a nightmare, Earl Thomas is good but that’s a first, Chad Jones is probably next and he is 2nd round material, and needs work before he starts.

CB class is deep, I personally don’t think the safety class is too deep at all

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

That doesn’t make any sense, the best we are getting THIS year for Kerry is a 3rd round pick, and there is nobody in this draft that can do what he can do. If there is then point him out because I can;t see him.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Should of said nobody who can do what he can do other than Berry….especially not for a 3rd round pick.

We would just be weakening an area that is now our biggest strength.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

But you can’t say any are betterthan Rhodes. If you can’t say that, then why do it?

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know crackback.

I’m starting to feel there are some less talented safeties then Rhodes who can have a bigger impact for Rex. Besides covering tight ends well once in a while, Rhodes hasn’t done anything.

We keep talking about nobody out there can do what Rhodes can do, but what exactly does Rhodes do? He doesn’t intercept passes or hit people? Sine 2007, what does he do?

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd take a 3 for him.

You could probably trade for another safety somewhere in the league with a 3. I would probably take Myron Rolle over Rhodes right now. It’s easy to say that nobody in the draft will be as good as Rhodes, but we drafted Rhodes as a 4th round pick and he had a very quick impact.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

What he didn’t do, it;s not about that anymore, dynamics of the team have changed, and with two corners like we have, it calls for a safety who has range and can cover when needed. We know he can do all these things, just needs to be given a chance. Let’s not please create another hole to be filled. Were finally getting going in this off-season and unles the trade brings back a proven safety, I want nothing to do with it

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Im no Rhodes fan either, but with the pieces we have in place why risk him replacing him with a bust? If i don’t see upside potential i dont want to replace him with a rookie.

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

So you trade a guy that knows the system

for a guy who will have to learn it, just dont see the point. Rhodes improved a lot after the benching, what more do you want?

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Preceisely, Kerry didn’t hurt the team, and after the benching there were signs he was really coming around. He was playing with more intensity, he was hitting people more, and he generally looked like he was getting all over the field. Rex is still implementing his system, and right now, I feel we have the perfect dynamic in the secondary.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he was just in the right positions there. I don’t think he is ‘back’ but I do think he is on the way back. He needs time, I’m not quitting on the guy without a replacement, with a team that is ready to win the Superbowl.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I really can’t see how you can say that, Chad Jones is going to be good, but he is still very raw

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Knowing the system did a damn good job for Rhodes this year.

I don’t think he didn’t help the team this year. I think he hurt them. What range? How many times did he get toasted and was a step late getting to his guy? The guy had a clear path into the endzone and got tackled from behind after like 10 yards. He is slower then hell.

How did he improve a lot after the benching? 3 interceptions thrown over a WR into his hands? It isn’t like he jumped any of those passes, he got lucky. The one big play he made in the playoffs he was too busy beating his chest to realize the ball was right there to be picked up.

I’m not even one to care about stupid things like that, but on top of playing like shit for two years, I just don’t know what he brings to this team.

I don’t agree that he didn’t hurt them. He hurt them a lot.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

He Stunk Before The Benching

He held his own afterwards. The Jets are in win now mode, I dont see a better option at Safety than Rhodes.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I 100% disagree without, he brings lots to the team, but you have already listed what you believe he doesn;t bring, when in fact he does bring them, so will be pointless going over them.

If we trade him we will regret it

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

That was to nrmax

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

You might regret it, I won't

I’ll take Taylor Mays over him right now. He might be raw and he might miss some tackles, but he will stick his head in there and hit somebody, and he will try his ass off, neither of which Rhodes does. If Rhodes wasn’t late on pretty much every ball thrown in his zone, I might agree, but I just don’t see what he brings. I think we take a 3 for him now, because we may well have to cut him for nothing a year from now.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Try his ass off?? this the same guy who was considered lazy all senior bowl, and some of his 2009 season? please man you see him hit something and think he can be great. Give me a break with that weak stuff, you have to do more than hit and try really, really hard to be a good safety. You have to take good angles, you have to wrap up being the last line of D sometimes and you have to be able to cover people. he does none of those things

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

PS that’s Al Davis thinking, Clowney is really really really fast so he must be a good receiver. Come on man

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

As for him being lazy
USC head coach Pete Carroll: “He’s a high achiever, driven, all of the positive things. He wants to be great and he’s willing to do what it takes to be great. He doesn’t just talk about it, he does it…We were obviously delighted to learn of Taylor’s decision to return for the 2009 season. He and his family did a lot of research and made an educated decision. He embodies all the virtues of staying. He wanted to do this not only to improve as a player, but he came back for his team, for his school and for the fans. We’re looking forward to Taylor having another outstanding season in 2009 and furthering his standing as a player and a person. He’s one of the most gifted safeties to ever play at USC and he wanted to come back and do it one more time.”
Former USC safety Kevin Ellison: “He’s a great athlete, but people don’t give him enough credit for how smart he is about football. He studies the game. He works hard. He wants to be great. He’s going to do his job. You can count on Taylor to take care of his responsibility.”
USC strength and conditioning coach Chris Carlisle: “Have I ever seen anyone that big move that fast? Maybe when I walked by the cheetah cage at the wildlife park.”
On returning for his senior year “I felt like I had more to prove in college football and I wanted one more chance to win a national championship…There are a lot more things I want to accomplish as a player, a student and a person, things that I’ve dreamed about for a long time and that are big goals to me. Returning to USC will help me be the best player I can be and put me in the best position possible for the next level. It came down to whether I felt I was ready physically and mentally. I feel there are some more things in my game that I can improve upon, things that would help me take the next step. I didn’t want to sell myself short. Plus, I want to be here for my teammates and provide an example to them as a leader and a player. I love the camaraderie here and the atmosphere. USC is a special place. From all the players I’ve talked to in the NFL, they say it’s a whole different world up there. They enjoyed college more than the NFL. I want to enjoy my last year of fun before it turns into a business. I’m also on track to graduate this fall and I know that’s a big deal to my parents.”

Yes, former teammates and people affiliated with USC, doesn’t mean they go out of their way to say things that aren’t true. He didn’t win 3 first team all american awards at the combine. Seems like a smart kid who is willing to learn and has more athleticism then pretty much anybody in the draft.

How does a guy who can’t wrap up, can’t play the run, can’t cover, can’t make reads, and can’t take a good route to the ball accomplish all that at a school like USC that is always loaded with the top talent?

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I Bet You Thought Ghoulston Was Going To Be Great Too

You never know how a player is going to do in the NFL. We know what Rhodes is capable of.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, it;s an unnecessary risk.

I’m amazed how much people want to turn over an AFC Champ roster

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope, hated Gholston.

I don’t even care that you don’t like Mays. I just find it funny thats the second time you have basically called me an idiot for liking a player you don’t like, when you told me not to do just that.

And the only real reason you have for keeping Rhodes is that you think he will do better playing in centerfield with 2 good cornerbacks, that is your opinion, it isn’t a fact.

You have to take good angles, you have to wrap up being the last line of D sometimes and you have to be able to cover people. he does none of those things

Rhodes doesn’t do many of those things either. I would love for Rhodes to stay here and succeed, I just don’t feel like he will, after two sub-par years.

Mays is raw, but he can fly to the ball, which is the most important thing for a safety in this defense to do. I understand I like Mays and you don’t, it’s fine, it’s how it is with the draft, but if I am undervaluing Rhodes, you are undervaluing Mays. The way you describe the guy you would think he should be an undrafted free agent. I mean, the guy is a 3 time first team all american, and was a projected first round pick since his junior year, long before he ever stepped foot in the combine.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry man, but none of them do what Kerry does, and we are just creating another hole to be filled with valuable draft picks, what’s the point?

Instead of using the two picks we have to get better, in that scenario we are getting worse and having to spend one valuable pick to get back to the level we were at. (and there is no guarantee that will happen, especially with 2nd/3rd round players)

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

He used to play with more pride, and I didn’t want to admit it before the year, but how can you look so feeble in a Rex Ryan defense? There are only two conclusions I can draw from Rhodes. Either he got his money, and now he is taking it easy, as to not hurt his pretty face, or that he just doesn’t fit as a piece in our system. For a 3, I’d say goodbye.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I Think Kerry Let His Ego Get In The Way

But after the benching I think he got the message. He was embarrased at first but Rex got through to him. The Jets will regret trading him.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly he is a prideful guy, and he must of been humiliated by that benching, but he got back on the horse and looked a lot better. Had a productive meeting with D-Coordinator and although some fans would like to see him traded, I just think we are better off with him than without him. Not a big fan of his personality, but I am a fan of what he can bring to the 2010 Jets, forget everything else.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t like him at all either, but he doesnt suck. What sucks about him is that he doesnt measure up to his potential. We’ve seen him play better, so its frustrating. A srd or 4th round safety this year has the potential to be Kerry Rhodes, not much better. So why risk the pick for equal/lesser value?

If you said trade him for a proven vet, or use him to trade up for Earl Thomas, I’d be on board. But not Myron Rolle.

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take Myron Rolle over

Earl Thomas. I’ll take Mays over Rhodes right now, but I won’t even get into that. At least Mays will try to hit somebody.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Now I know you are letting personal feeling get in the way, nobody who knows anything about football would take Mays over Rhodes, sorry man, I appreciate your opinion but right now you are letting your dislike for Kerry get in the way of logical judgement.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

No way Rolle over Thomas. Some have Thomas rated higher than Berry.

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t understand that either, Rolle over Thomas? Mays over Kerry?? doesn’t make sense

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

If you wanna talk Antrel Rolle im all for it. Or somehow trade for Ed Reed.

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

It's an opinion.

I don’t have a “personal opinion” of Rhodes, only what I watch him do on gameday. I don’t have any feelings for him personally.

I may not know anything about football, but guys who are paid to analyze football players have busts going in the first round every year, who are out of the league after 2 seasons, where in those same drafts guys get picked in the 7th and have long, prosperous careers. So fine, I know nothing about football. For Rex Ryans 2010 New York Jets defense, I’ll take Taylor Mays over Kerry Rhodes.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Good, glad we got that sorted, because that is the only conclusion for someone who rates Mays over Kerry.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Your funny Dave,

you got mad at me “for attacking somebody the other day”, telling me opinions are opinions, yet now I disagree with you (Taylor Mays is going in the first round, Kerry went in the 4th, how is it outside the realm of possibility Kerry is better?), and you tell me I don’t understand anything about football because I don’t agree with your opinion on Kerry Rhodes? Way to set a good example. I must not know anything about football, because I don’t agree with you.

At the beginning of the process, you said Arrellious Benn had no business being in the same league with Golden Tate, now he his stock is rising and he may well go ahead of Tate, does that mean you know nothing about football?

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats like saying..

How could T.O. be better than Keyshawn. Where you are picked means nothing. Example, Tom Brady or Ryan Leaf?

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats like saying..
How could T.O. be better than Keyshawn. Where you are picked means nothing. Example, Tom Brady or Ryan Leaf?

Well clearly, even though he is the worst cover man in the history of football at any level, he has no hand eye coordination, he rapes women and children, kills small puppies, he is still slated to go before we even get to pick. So how bad can he be? For somebody to say I don’t know football because I prefer a first round draft prospect over a player we would be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for is silly. I could just as easily counter by saying that anybody who says a guy who is a 4 year starter at USC, is 6’3 and runs a 4.4 has no chance of being better then Rhodes doesn’t know football.

It’s an opinion. And a valid one. If it weren’t then Mays wouldn’t be a near lock to be picked in the first round.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

How could T.O. be better than Keyshawn. Where you are picked means nothing. Example, Tom Brady or Ryan Leaf?

It’s not like saying that at all. All I am saying is how does a guy that is a first round pick, have no chance at being better then Kerry Rhodes. I agree with your point about Brady/Leaf. That’s my point. Every year there are 7th rounders that are much better then first rounders. So how can anybody say I know nothing about football because I like Taylor Mays? When like you said, everybody loved Ryan Leaf, nobody even knew who Tom Brady was. The draft is almost a crapshoot, there is no such thing as anything even close to a perfect science, so I find it laughable somebody tells me I know nothing about football because I really like a guy that is almost a given to go in the first round.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

The only "dislike"

I have for Kerry is based on his play. It’s not like he raped my mother. I don’t tell you that your personal feelings toward Notre Dame are influencing you on loving Tate and Clausen, I don’t like them, but this is far from a perfect science, and I understand opinions differ. I love Mays. He may be raw, but he will kill you coming over the middle, Rhodes does nothing to scare anybody. He doesn’t break passes up, and he doesn’t pick them off. He was good 3 years ago. He isn’t now.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny

With Rhodes as our Safety, we were 30 minutes away from the SB. I dont see why he has to go so badly in favor of a “maybe”. Ask the Giants how much fun it is with a “maybe” out there playing safety.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

This is true. That’s why they’re so gung-ho to bring in Rolle.

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by Matt Birch on Mar 5, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny
With Rhodes as our Safety, we were 30 minutes away from the SB. I dont see why he has to go so badly in favor of a "maybe". Ask the Giants how much fun it is with a "maybe" out there playing safety.

Funny, we also almost made it to the superbowl with Drew Coleman getting serious reps, and Lito Sheppard starting. Lets bring them back also.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I thinks its different

And you know it. We are talking about a pro bowl caliber starting safety and a bunch of also rans. Lito hasnt been good in a while.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Your completely over exaggerating how bad Rhodes is to subconsciously fulfil your desire to see a player you don’t like traded. You might not be able to realise that, but a few here definitely can see it

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

The only reason I don't like Rhodes is because for two years

he hasn’t played good football. That’s as far as it goes. Do you really think that in my heart I think he has played well, but am pretending he didn’t so I can have a reason to say I want him traded, because for some weird reason I want him gone because I hate him personally?

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Weren’t you saying the other day, that an opinion is an opinion but if it makes no sense then your gna call people out on it?? or something like that. Well it;s being turned round on you

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Right, all you keep saying is Rhodes has Range, and Mays sucks,

and by the way, you are doing more or less the same thing, you tell me I don’t understand the game because I don’t agree with you on Rhodes. The same thing you “scolded” me for the other day.

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

You were calling people idiots, and saying they had ‘a hard on for Jones’ not quite the same buddy. I’m saying that it is not logical that if you understood the role of a safety on the Jets 2010 team, you would want Mays over Kerry. Still disagreeing with your opinion that you know football, not saying your an idiot or a moron, or you have any sexual intentions towards any of the players……..that;s where we are different there, I keep the vulgarities out of the posts, someone people can;t seem to which is why you were warned

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Cool it guys

your back-and-forth is getting a bit annoying. We should be happy right now! J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS, baby.

THAT’S what it’s all about.

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by OnceYoureAJet on Mar 5, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m done with it, we now have possibly the best secondary in the league. I’m happy

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

No,

I can’t say somebody has a hard on for Jones, when he was clearly misinterpreting facts to make Jones case look better, as you say I was doing, but you can more or less call me stupid because I don’t agree with you. I don’t care, I just find it ironic and hypocritical.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

And your right, when I said he had a hard on for Jones

I meant it literally, in a sexual way. Nice work.

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Good, we have that sorted. Glad we agree.

Now back to the trade.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Rhodes Is Getting More Ink Than Cromartie

We should be talking about our secondary getting better

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't you also tell me to stop with the

sarcasm? Hmm… Talking about personal opinions, I think you let your personal opinion of Mays cloud your judgement. Any time somebody mentions his name you talk about how horrendous he is, or some other form of hyperbole. If he is so bad, why is he still a projected first rounder?

I think when it comes down to it, the Jets defense need a playmaker at safety. It’s the nature of Rex’s style. Kerry doesn’t make plays, ever.

You are calling me stupid because I won’t blindly assume with you that because we have Cromartie, Rhodes will magically transform into a guy who makes plays, cares more about the team then his face, and isn’t always late getting over.

I mean, that’s what this is about right, you trying to tell me Kerry will be better next year? Me not understanding football because I don’t believe/agree with you?

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by nrmax88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Clearly misinterpreting facts?

To be clear, you said I had a hard on for Jones because I said,

Nothing wrong with [stating opinions]. Sounds like he’s agreeing with the article. If you want to see more basis, you can scroll up to the top and read the article.

Misinterpreting facts? I don’t think so.

Anyway, I think this argument is just a plain difference of opinions, regardless of how the opinions are based. At this point, I’d rather keep Rhodes. Can we get better at safety? Probably. This year? I doubt it. And I’d like to see how he improves this year.

by random122 on Mar 5, 2010 4:29 AM EST up reply actions  

+1 on Rolle, -1 on Mays

Did you see his drills at the combine? Myron Rolle ACED ‘em. He was rated 1st round before he went to Oxford, and now that he’s rated lower, he looks like a steal with our 2nd. I’d entertain the thought of taking him as a BACKUP to Rhodes.

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by OnceYoureAJet on Mar 5, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Could you imagine being that smart AND having his level of athletic ability. Absolutely crazy in my opinion.

by revis_island on Mar 5, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. They say

..that a jack of all trades is a master of none. Whoever came up with that obviously had never met Myron Rolle.

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by OnceYoureAJet on Mar 5, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate to become what i despise, but he ran a 4.68. Thats pretty slow for a D-back. Not sure he’s able to do the job at the next level.

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

That is a little slow, still his instincts are apparently second to none. Probably can work out where the ball will be before the QB throws it lol

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Cromarte Island …

Has a nice ring to it :)

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on Mar 5, 2010 12:27 AM EST reply actions  

According to rotoworld, chi-town is focused on pepper and chester taylor and not going after rolle anymore….lame if he ends up in miami….

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 5, 2010 12:28 AM EST reply actions  

I think he may end up with the Giants, Newsday were reporting something on it earlier

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I love this deal. Like someone else said, it’s low risk.

Revis, Cromartie, Leonard, Rhodes. Who can honestly say that isn’t an amazing secondary? And yes, I want them to keep Rhodes. I think all the talk against him is kinda silly.

by revis_island on Mar 5, 2010 12:30 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Ok Dave Wyatt, Im gonna drive you nuts with this but… Doesnt Mays seem a little more enticing now that we have 2 legit cover corners???

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 12:31 AM EST reply actions  

No

lol absolutely not, first round pick should be spent on a need, not spent to try and fix a problem that we unnecessarily caused.

Kerry will be able to ball hawk but he still has to cover, and that’s something I wouldn’t trust Mays with one little bit.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Ive soured on Mays myself. But I have to admit, the idea of turning him loose to just murder whoever comes his way, without having to worry about covering, is a nice thought.

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t forget he also takes bad angles, sooner or later he runs into someone, but he allows to many holes for my liking.

We should all be excited for this, but nobody more than Kerry in my mind

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

With his good combine, Mays prob won’t make it to our pick…we would need to trade up

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 5, 2010 12:33 AM EST reply actions  

Which would make it even more idiotic IMO

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

From what I read he was great with the 40 yard dash kind of stuff but struggled in the drills that are actually important. I could be wrong but that’s what I remember reading.

by revis_island on Mar 5, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Adam Schefter just called the jets the best CB tandem in the league…

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 5, 2010 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

I saw that too and I don’t see how anyone could disagree either.

by revis_island on Mar 5, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I admit im in the haters club too. But ithink we leave the seconday as is right now. Focus on the rush.

by Crackback on Mar 5, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

You all know I was as critical as anyone of him mid-season, but circumstances change, and right now the circumstances have changed, and he is a more valued commodity to the Jets than he is as trade bait.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

i also subscribe to this club, lol.

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by Matt Birch on Mar 5, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Well he has at least one, me. I have a feeling he’s going to surprise people this season.

by revis_island on Mar 5, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Count me in to that group as well.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

His tweet about having a good meeting with Pettine, that filled me with a little more columnists.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

ESPN analysts are all saying they would take TJ over LT and Westbrook…

by Barnaby8787 on Mar 5, 2010 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed I would to, one is out of gas (LT) one is a injury scare every time he touches the ball (Westbrook) and one is coming off a 1400 season, 14 TD, season.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Westbrook really needs to quit now

I fear what will happen to that guy. LT is done too. I think TJ has one more year in him.

by YankeesJets on Mar 5, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Concussions are a serious business, I agree I think it’s time for him to get a comfy chair and kick back for a while.

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah I think he came back way too fast this season after two very close together concussions. There’s a line between having a lot of heart and being stupid, and I think he and the Eagles medical staff crossed it. That was just ridiculous.

by revis_island on Mar 5, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

How about that creepy music in the NFLN ‘Take Concussions Out Of Play’ commercials? I DL’ed it from iTunes and play it on my iPod all the time now lol (kidding)

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by OnceYoureAJet on Mar 5, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Fuck. Nuff said

Bonds... hit is high.... He hits it DEEEEEEEP..... OUTTA HERE BONDS STANDS ALONE- Duane Kuiper on 756

by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Mar 5, 2010 1:01 AM EST reply actions  

What do y'all think

…we should nickname the new Jets secondary now that it’s widely regarded as the most dominant unit in the league?

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2010/3/4/1357548/name-that-secondary

Open that link up in a new tab and VOTE! My favorites right now are ‘ALCATRAZ’ and ‘CROMARTIE PARTY ON REVIS ISLAND’

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by OnceYoureAJet on Mar 5, 2010 1:04 AM EST reply actions  

Hey guys.

First time poster here (mainly a Washington Capitals fan, post on SB Nation a lot, but have been a Jets fan since I was a kid). I like this deal, like a lot of people. Cromartie had a great season two years ago when the SD pass rush was dominant. When Merriman was out, the pass rush struggled, and hence Cromartie did as well. Plug him into our defense and I think he’ll do a lot better, plus, Rex has to be helping out on some fronts of his game. Jets have the best secondary in the game, bar none, and with a few more moves we might talk Super Bowl.

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!

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by Steck It Out on Mar 5, 2010 1:23 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Amen

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by David_Wyatt on Mar 5, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Very good first post lol and I agree with all of that. I love Revis, as evidenced by my name, but if the quarterback had forever in the pocket then even Revis would get beat. The pass rush is so important for the secondary, and vice versa.

by revis_island on Mar 5, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Here here

welcome!

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by OnceYoureAJet on Mar 5, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't expect this....

This post really aroused more commentary than I would have thought. More written here than a Rhodes twitter. Personally I don’t see how the Jets have bettered themselves, but I guess that’s why Tannenbaum has been largely successful at what he does and I’m fan blogging at 3AM!

I saw a real turnaround in the play of Rhodes the 2nd half of the season, so this makes no sense to me.

BTW, welcome steck it out. Another Caps fan from dc area….been a Jets fan since I was a kid also.

by oldskooljet on Mar 5, 2010 3:00 AM EST reply actions  

Welcome to the Jets, Antonio

Please keep your upper head on the field and your lower head inside your pants.

by Rabbit T on Mar 5, 2010 5:24 AM EST reply actions  

Did anyone notice

If Adalius Thomas got released yet?? I didn’t see it anywhere. I thought the Pats would have released him at 12:01 this morning.

by chrebetsthebet on Mar 5, 2010 5:33 AM EST reply actions  

I doubt AD will be released anytime soon. The Pats love to screw over players when they dont play well. And you wonder why nobody wants to play for them these days. I would love to see him here btw.

by colinyoung on Mar 5, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Coming from an Eagles fan...

Damn your secondary looks good, good job on that deal
Big Rex Ryan fan, Good luck next year (until you meet us)…. something about green teams I like….

bring Dawk & Westy home

by MeanGreen5 on Mar 5, 2010 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

The Eagles are my second favorite team

precisely because they are green. That’s how I decided my teams when I was a kid. Let’s do this, Jets vs. Eagles SB in Feb 2011!

by Exystence on Mar 5, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Damn I like it

Jackson, Macklin, Celek and Weaver vs. Bart, Cromarti, Revis and Ellis…let me talk to the FO about bringing back the Kelly Green uni’s, I’ll see what I can do
I think Im becomeing a secondary Jets fan, not a big fan of the Ego on Sanchez but your coach has some Philly blood in him (the buddy system), like his style, your RB is going to be nasty and I am a fan of that D

bring Dawk & Westy home

by MeanGreen5 on Mar 5, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Competition is the key

For the first time Cro will play for a team that dosn’t have a soul on it that thinks he is the most talented corner on the field. Revis will provide the constant competition to be better and he will have his bad exit from his former team hanging over him, giving him something to prove. This could be a great thing.

Welcome to the team.

by colinyoung on Mar 5, 2010 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

Reminds me like Lito

Lets hope we are not looking for a coner next year

I Believe in 2010

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