Draft Talk With Draft Breakdown's Will Spencer
Afternoon GGN'ers, hope your all having a fine Monday. We are pleased to say that we had the oppurtunity to talk to Will Spencer of Draft Breakdown again recently, regarding the NFL combine, Pro Day work outs, and Jets specific prospects. So in between him jetting between pro days, we conducted the following Q&A.
If you would like to read the first "Draft Talk" with Will, then you can find it here
*Will is the founder and lead writer for Draft Breakdown, his work has been published on the Baltimore Ravens official website, Scout.com, Orange and Brown Report as well as Ravens Insider. Will is also a member of the Football Writers Association of America and graduated from the Sports Management Worldwide Scouting and General Manager class in 2009*
GGN: Lets start with the obvious post combine question, who in your mind helped their stock the most, and who hurt it the most with the workouts?
W.Spencer: It's easy to throw out a name like Bruce Campbell for who helped themeselves the most at Indy. However, I like to think that Ndamukong Suh helped himself more than any player. Suh has been my top player in the draft from the end of the college season, so you might ask why the top ranked player helped himself the most? The fact is, many people had Suh rated closely with Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy before the combine and McCoy was gaining steam. In fact, some were starting to say that McCoy was actually the better player of the two. Suh went into Indy with a bit of a chip on his shoulder and blew McCoy away in the workouts, outperforming him in every major category, including putting up 32 reps on the bench press to McCoy's 23. It's my belief that any doubts about Suh being the best player in the draft were washed away.
As for who hurt their stock, I'd say Brandon Spikes, the inside linebacker from Florida. I had Spikes ranked as a mid-2nd round prospect before the combine and received a lot of criticism for that. There were questions around Spikes' work ethic and his speed. I felt Spikes was trying to hide something by not going to the Senior Bowl and competing, and then he gets to the combine and decided to not run the 40 yard dash, which wasn't a surprise. Spikes looked extremely stiff in position drills. He couldn't stay low in bag drills and his hips looked as stiff as some offensive linemen. To follow it up, Spikes gets to his pro day and runs a 5.0+ 40 yard dash to which you could actually hear him tumble down big boards across the country. Spikes' speed suggests a third round pick at best, but given his play on the field, I'll hold true to my mid-2nd round grade, but would not be surprised if he slid into the bottom of 2, or top of 3.
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GGN: Of the top 10 players on your board, who do you think is most likely to make a pro bowl first, and who would you say has the biggest bust potential?
W. Spencer: We actually just tweaked our big board, so this is a great questions. Out of the top 10, I'd say Suh (1) and Berry (2) could both make the Pro Bowl within 1-2 seasons. They're both just THAT good. As for biggest bust potential, I'd say Sam Bradford (7). Bradford has a lot of questions surrounding him right now and quarterback might be the hardest transition of any position at the next level. Bradford is going to be overdrafted based on a weak QB class and he'll wind up on a poor team with limited weapons, making it even harder for him to shine.
GGN: We have been hearing that the Jets really like Golden Tate, we met with him, I asked Ed Thompson from scout.com, he seemed to think he was the prospect we most had our eye on, what do you think? With the receivers we have, do you see Golden Tate as a can't pass up prospect for us?
W. Spencer: Not at all. I could easily see the Jets pass on Golden Tate and I highly doubt that Tate is the guy the Jets have their eye on the most. Rex Ryan LOVES defensive backs and pass rushers and will do anything to get them. Personally, I see the Jets taking some sort of defensive line/pass rusher in the first round. That could be Terrence Cody, the big nose tackle from Alabama who could be a great rotational guy with Jenkins. I'd also watch out for players like Jared Odrick to play the 5 technique, or edge rushers like Jerry Hughes of TCU if available.
I think Tate is being a bit overrated based on his workouts. He's a converted running back and while his straight line speed was fantastic at the combine (4.42) but his speed doesn't show up on film. Tate is a slot receiver at best in the NFL and I'm not sure a team would spend a first round pick on such limited potential. Personally, I could see the Jets waiting it out and possibly re-signing Coles to play the slot.
GGN: Onto another receiver, Erik Decker, I'm high on him, where is his stock right now? where can you see him being taken?
W. Spencer: Eric Decker is an interesting prospect. Not only did he record the highest score on the Wonderlic test (43), his smarts translate onto the field. He knows how to read coverages and how to find the holes in a zone. I like Decker as a late 2nd round pick and his stock could be higher depending on how teams view other wide receivers right now.
GGN: Can Decker work out of the slot in the NFL?
W. Spencer: Yes. Decker is a good with getting yards after the catch, and I really like him working the center of the field against linebackers or safeties.
GGN: You got the chance to interview Sean Weatherspoon recently, one of our members asked me to ask you, whether he has any value to 3-4 teams, can he be an effective inside player in a 3-4 system?
W. Spencer: He does and several 3-4 teams showed interest with him at the combine. However, I think he's much better suited to play the Will or maybe Mike positions in a 4-3 defense. Spoon has some trouble shedding blocks at times and having more big bodies in front of him would greatly benefit his game.
GGN: You also got to interview Jamar Cheney, a player that I think is being completely over looked, where is his stock sitting right now? and he seemed to hint he would prefer a 4-3 type system, do you think he could move inside on the 3-4?
W. Spencer: Chaney could also move inside and might be a bit better at making that transition than Weatherspoon. Chaney is a very athletic guy and reads the play well. Chaney interviewed with several 3-4 teams, so obviously someone else is thinking the same thing.
GGN: I also read in your interview that teams asked him if he had ever cheated on his girlfriend. What are the strangest questions you have heard teams ask a prospect?
W. Spencer I think there's a big trick question out there that teams ask and it's become pretty common. "What is the worst thing you've gotten away with." That puts the players in a very odd spot. Do you own up to doing something bad that you you were slick enough to not get caught for? Or do you want to reveal anything bad you've done? It's a tough one.
GGN: If you had to pick one mid round pick, around 3rd-6th round, which skill player that is set to be taken there could have the biggest impact on his team immediately in 2010, a little like Shonn Greene did for us?
W. Spencer: I like Brandon Deaderick, DE from Alabama. Many forget that Alabama is one of the few teams that run a 3-4 defense and Deaderick played the 5 technique there as well as a few other positions on the line. Deaderick isn't going to give you 8 sacks a season, but as a 5 technique that anchors the line in a 3-4 defense, he could make a huge impact. What's better is, Deaderick could be had somewhere in the 3rd-4th round area.
I could also see another Alabama player making a huge impact in the 3rd round in Javier Arenas. Arenas is an ideal fit at the nickelback position for any team and will make an immediate impact as a special teams player. Arenas also has the ball skills and coverage ability to play the #2 corner spot in a pinch.
GGN: If we do go with Tate early and we need to pick up a pass rushing linebacker in the 2nd round, who are the players that we should be looking at towards the end of the 2nd round?
W. Spencer Koa Misi is a pass rusher that you should keep your eye on. Misi played DE throughout his career at Utah, then went to the Senior Bowl as a linebacker, playing the Will position mainly. He has the abilities to put his hand on the ground and get after the QB, but also has the athletic ability to drop into coverage. Watch for Misi at the bottom of round 2.
GGN: Mount Cody seems to be working to drop a little bit of weight, and Rex Ryan personally attended the Alabama pro day, Mount Cody a fit for the Jets?
W. Spencer: Without a doubt. Jenkins is a very strong NT, but having health has been an issue. Imagine a rotation at NT between Jenkins and Cody. AFC East offensive linemen would be exhausted towards the end of the game and the Jets linebackers would be able to run around and make plays on every down.
GGN: Did you see the Sporting News magazine had him as a 7th round prospect, and they had Crompton rated higher than Clausen, what do you make of that?
W. Spencer: Yes. I saw that. The thing to remember is that many of these magazines are written WAY too early so they can get on the news stands. For example, I wrote an article for the USA Today Draft Preview magazine on Tim Tebow. The problem was, they needed the article by January 25th, which meant I couldn't write about Tebow at the Senior Bowl at all! The USA Today people went back and added a few lines to the article about the Senior Bowl, but you see the issue there.
That being said, some of the rankings in there were so far off, it was laughable. That's clearly the worst Sporting News Draft Preview I've ever seen.
GGN: A lot of people, really rate Brandon Graham and the Jets as a perfect match, what are the chances he is sitting there when we come to pick at #29?
W. Spencer: Slim. Brandon Graham is moving up draft boards while Sergio Kindle is falling. Kindle could be a good fit in Rex Ryan's defense as he was moved around at Texas similarly to how Ryan uses his linebackers. As for Graham, he's a great fit in the 3-4 defense but is quick enough to play DE in a 4-3. He doesn't have long arms, so he'll have to rely on his speed in playing in a 4-3, but the guy is a worker and uses sound technique.
GGN: If Graham is gone, is Jerry Hughes first round worthy?
W. Spencer: Absolutely. I'm still surprised that Hughes passed on the Senior Bowl, but he's worthy of a late first round selection. Hughes is one heck of a pass rusher and plays the run effectively. There were also packages at TCU where he rushed from a 2 point stance and even dropped into coverage, though that didn't happen too often.
GGN: Although all pro days are important in their own right, which prospect's pro day is most important to his stock?
W. Spencer: It's hard to not say Tim Tebow. Tebow didn't throw at the combine and couldn't afford to have his Senior Bowl performance be the taste left in the mouths of scouts and GMs. Tebow did improve his mechanics, but you could see that the longer the workout went on, he started to revert. Mechanics are almost impossible to completely change but you have to give him credit for working so hard at it.
GGN: Have you heard of the Jets scheduling any individual work outs with any prospects, and which players did you hear the Jets were most interested in at the combine?
W. Spencer: I've heard the Jets have worked out or scheduled to work out Mike Iupati, Toby Gerhart and Ryan Mathews. As for who they watched closely at the combine, Terrence Cody was a name that I've heard mentioned several times as well as Brandon Graham.
GGN: Lastly, any interviews lined up Draft Breakdown over the coming weeks?
W. Spencer: I just finished up an interview with North Carolina DT Cam Thomas, but haven't put it on the site yet. Players that are on my list to talk to include Devin McCourty and Arrelious Benn, but it all depends on how much time I have between pro days and scouting reports. I'll be at the UConn pro day on the 24th, so I'll be talking with Marcus Easley and Lindsay Witten there.
So all of us at GGN would like to thank Will for taking the time to talk to us. We realise that this is a very busy time for him. We encourage everyone to check out Draft Breakdown for prospect interviews, scouting reports as well as mock drafts. For instant updates from pro days like UConn's on the 24th, you can follow Will on Twitter @draftbreakdown.
Also keep your eyes out for another interview this week. Which is all I will say on that one for now.
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Good stuff.
Starting to get the feeling that neither Odrick or Hughes will be there at 29. I think Cody is going to be our pick there. Might even be the pick whether those other two are there or not. Seems to make sense to lock up that position for the future.
You know Crack, I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest, the question being would you be happy with Cody being taken, say if Jerry Hughes was still on the ball.
I really do want to come away with either Shipley/Decker though, and it seems neither will last until our 4th round selection, so if we go Cody in the first, we likely have to remain on defence in the 2nd.
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My heart tells me Hughes, but my head tells me Cody. I don’t think Jenkins will be effective for more than 2 more years and guys like him and Cody are hard to come by. I think guys like Hughes are rare aw well, but I think its easier to come by an effective pass rusher than it is an effective NT.
Starting to see alot of mocks that have Hughes going to the Cardinals. He’s definitely been getting a lot more attention lately. Hopefully he either slips to us and SD takes Cody, or he’s taken before we pick and Cody is still there.
But if we take Cody first, im still hoping we go with Shipley in the 2nd. We can grab a rusher via FA/trade.
I think one of Odick/Cody/Hughes will definitely fall to us, so it’s going to be a hard decision. The more I think about the team, the more I think that Cody might be our selection if he is there.
If we do go into #29 with those three available, I really don’t think we can go wrong, all would be good selections in their own right.
I guess you can always pick up a pass rusher in the 4th/5th rounds, it’s quite possible that a decent “project” would be available.
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I’m also going to have to take a better look at Koa Misi, not really spent much time looking at him at all, but if Will says we should be keeping an eye on him, I trust his judegement more than most, so will have to look him up.
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Koa Misi
Scouting reports I’ve found so far aren’t very informative and I can’t find ANY video.
From what I have read he seems like a stud, very intelligent, football instincts, strong, quite quick, around 6’2, 250 lb’s. Quick off the snap, excellent in coverage. Will have to keep looking for some stuff on him
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Also read that he has an excellent work ethic and is one of the better tacklers in the draft.
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Read a lot of the same stuff, but his numbers don’t reflect his talent, which I hate to see. If you can’t excell in college how can you in the pros? But it could be bc he was out of position at DE. Stuff I read said he seems much more suited to play 3-4 OLB to take advantage of his speed on the edge (music to my ears). Just wish I could see some high-lights.
lets calm down about jerry hughes for a second
he is only a situational pass rusher. cannot play the run. If im drafting in the 1st round, Not sure if I want a guy who is only going to play one play a series.
by Ryan Alfieri on Mar 22, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hughes needs to develop, but he has all the skills to develop at the OLB position, do we need an everydown OLB in 2010?? I don’t think so, his pass rushing abilities alone make him a first round prospect, this guy is electric, add his hard work, speed, closing ability, and pursuit, he is a first rounder no doubt. He has a work ethic that will enable him to pick up the rest of his duties. I’m not passing on a pass rushing talent like Hughes because he needs to develop. As far as I’m concerned we are at a perfect time to develop talent at that position, Bryan Thomas is good against the run, in pass rushing situations you bring in Hughes, it automatically makes the team a lot better, and Hughes has a year to learn to read the run better.
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I dont think he’ll be a liability in the run game. He can definitely track plays down from the backside if unaccounted for. These kinda guys earn their money rushing the passer anyways.
He has all the skills and abilities to become a complete all around player, but short term, we want a pass rushing terror, we have starting OLB to be in on run situations. It’s not like Hughes is going to get blown up on every single run play either.
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its not that i dont think he can develop, its just that “potential” word scares me. Vernon has a ton of “potential”. Pac Man Jones had a lot of “Potential”. Its just a lot of coaches think they can just coach anyone up, but far too often than not, its not the case. I wouldn’t mind if we drafted hughes, but I really just don’t see him as a 1st rounder. I see him more in the top half of 2. So If we get hughes, I would want to trade down than “reach” for him.
by Ryan Alfieri on Mar 22, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I just look at his tackles for loss, I think the talent is definitely there, in the right system he will flourish. It’s the coverage that would worry me more, but he wouldn’t have to worry about that in all likelihood until year 2. I think a fair few people are looking at him towards the late first, early 2nd. So we would have to know that we could get him for sure before trading down. If not I would rather reach by 2-3 places than lose out all together.
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I really don’t wory about his coverage at all to be honest. Maybe I’m gushing too hard (wouldnt be the first time) but I think he’ll be such a pain in the ass to block that opponents will be forced to keep a back in to deal with him. And if he’s not coming, but dropping somewhere where he wasn’t expected, and pressure is coming from God knows where else with Rex’s crazy schemes, its unlikely his coverage will ever be a factor.
Most pass rushing OLBs can be run at. Even LT could be run at. But if can get after the passer he’s worth his weight in gold. Might be even better, like Dave said, to have him be a pure specialist for a year and let him really hone his craft. He’s got one of the best jumps off the snap I’ve ever seen. He’s a lot like the DEs in Indy in that way.
I’m already having dreams of Jerry Hughes bursting after Tom Brady and being on him within seconds. He just is so quick, I can’t see how any tackles in the game have the foot speed to block him off the edge. Like I said before, would be happy with a lot of the guys talked about as possible first round selection (just shows the depth in this draft and our lack of essential needs), but I think Hughes is above the rest for me right now.
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I had dreams Gholston would be doing that a 2 years ago. Picked him right before NE. Its a shame Gholston had 1 sack in both preseason and regular and it turned into a personal foul. He couldnt even do that right.
I hate to sound disrespectful towards him helping Haiti and what not, but I think he should be sending monetary support and working on his game and with Rex. He needs to spend his offseason improving to have a career after this season.
I think trying to force feed Gholston football might be counter-productive, he needs to want to get better. It was only 3 days as well, but I see your point. Like Rex said this is make or break, and if this can’t motivate him then he doesn’t have a future in football, which is the likely option.
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Clowney went too. Another one who should be focusing on his “game.”
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Good info. Thanks for posting. Any news on our draft? It seems to be going much slower than I anticipated. I was kind of hoping our guys all had a list of like 3-4 ready to go.
We will get to two selections a day as planned, the two for today are in, I have sent my thoughts to John, sure he will get them up when he has finished work and has time to put it together.
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Also thinking you will want to head over to Draft Breakdown sometime this week jets47, to look over the interview with your boy Cam Thomas
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I will try to check it out.
I think Cam will be a successful nose in this league, but I’ve rethought taking him in round 2. I don’t think he will ever be a dominant type like Jenkins, and we have bigger needs.
I think that’s logical, there are a few other guys later in the draft. Linval Joseph from East Carolina or Kade Watson at Georgia, a few guys that people are not really talking about that could become solid players inside.
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Interesting to see him put Sam Bradford as the biggest bust potential as well. I happen to agree with that, way too many question marks on that shoulder for my liking. Especially as a first pick. First pick QB’s have a lot of guaranteed money invested in them, would anyone be willing to invest that kind of money in a bum shoulder. Bad year to be drafting a QB.
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EXACTLY
if im st louis, I can get my QB next year. But Suh is a once-a-decade prospect. So after this year, you get your Jake Locker or whatever.
But If you do the popular thing and get Bradford, assuming he doesnt bust, there is no way youll get a player as good as Suh.
by Ryan Alfieri on Mar 22, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree this is a poor year to be drafting a QB. Did you see Holmgren’s comments? He claimed to like Clausen but essentially ruled out taking him at #7. Bradford has a history of shoulder problems which is very problematic for a QB, and if he goes at the Rams he will have mediocre protection, and few targets. The only thing that may save him is Steven Jackson but who knows how much he has left.
I did see that and I found it very strange that any GM would tip his hand as to his intentions. Is that just a ploy to try and make Clausen fall to him? it just seems strange to me that someone would come out and say that about a prospect.
I agree with anyone who says that “Suh” is the logical choice, it might get a few moans from the St Louis faithful, but are St Louis really going to be contending this seas? probably not, why take such a big chance on a guy with shoulder problems when a guy like Suh is sitting right their in your lap.
I think it is safe to say that they will be selecting early again next year, it would be very strange to see them take Bradford with all his question marks and allow Suh to fall straight into Detroit’s laps.
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In fact, If I were St Louis, I would contemplate taking a project QB this year, someone like Tony Pike, who won’t expect to start, won’t get too much money, but has a lot of upside if he can be coached up. Or if they want to go even lower with the risk, and take a gamble, I would pick up someone like Skelton or Robinson. If there season is over midway through, why not throw them in for a few halfs, see what happens.
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I actually was going to mention Pike. I was thinking more along the lines of that could be Holmgrens plan. That and selecting Berry if he fell at #7.
One late QB that seems to be getting some hype is Jonathan Crompton. This kid nearly got booed out of Vols country and everyone is impressed with his arm and how he did with Lane Kiffin. I don’t buy it for a minute. He may be one of the most inaccurate guys in the class.
Crompton has a bit of upside, but he has a lack of experience, and althouh he had a good season, I’m not sold on him half as much as some. The Sporting News had him as the second rated QB, not a chance.
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haha I was just about to say that they should just take Crompton #1 overall.
by Ryan Alfieri on Mar 22, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
ins seriouness, I would compare Crompton to someone like John David Booty. He will likely wind up on the practice squad and bounce around the leauge unless he vastly improves.
by Ryan Alfieri on Mar 22, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yer I agree, he just is not comfortable standing in the pocket, not sure he will get away with rolling out nearly every snap like he did at Oklahoma.
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Very nice interview Dave, Rec'd.
One of the first guys I’ve heard say the Jets are not interested in Tate at all, and I agree. If we do go WR early, think it’d be Shipley if anything. And even that is a longshot.
Rex is not about to take a chance on a flashy, young WR… because Clowney is the current project, and it looks like he’s here to stay at least for one more year. You bring in Tate, you’ve effectively given up on Clowney.
Like he (and everyone says), Rex loves his CB’s! Can never have too many.
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To be honest, gotta ask John or Dave. They’ve been the two putting this whole thing together, but I’m sure they’ll answer shortly.
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