Jets potential Drafting Scenarios
by jets47 on Mar 20, 2010 4:57 PM EDT
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Hey guys. I wanted to give you my personal take on the teams needs, and different scenarios for which the Jets may take come draft day.
Quarterback.
Mark Sanchez (starter) Kellen Clemens, Erik Ainge,
I don't feel this is a need what so ever. I don't think the Jets will take any prospects in the draft, and currently I don't see an adequate mentor for young Sanchize on the free agency market. I think a non-selfish backup would have been ideal, and someone who is great in the film room and reading defenses, but due to the restrictions on who the Jets can sign, and players available, I don't see a fit.
-Bottom line, the Jets pay look to an undrafted free agent to see if they can get someone of value. I predict one of Clemens, Ainge, or O'Connell will be cut this offseason or traded for a conditional very late pick in 2011.
Running Back.
Shonn Greene (starter) LaDainian Tomlinson (backup) Leon Washington (scat back) Chauncey Washington
A solid group. Shonn Greene has had durability concerns but hasn't had a significant injury thus far in his career. Tomlinson is a wild card. He has the potential to still be effective with limited carries and solid blocking. Leon is the shifty change up back who is more of a threat with misdirections and outside. Leon is also the primary receiving presence.
-Bottom Line. Jets will probably look to the draft to get another insurance policy. I believe the Jets already have to solid presences rushing up the middle with Greene and LDT. While I am confident Leon will have a good year, he still may look to test the market soon eough and there is a threat of another freak injury. Thankfully with modern medicine, generally those coming off leg fractures tend to heal stronger than pre-injury. I feel we can use another back capable of getting to the outside, and one that can be used in the passing game.
Fullback
Tony Richardson (starter) Jason Davis (backup/practice squad)
-Bottom Line. Richardson is back and Davis appears to be well liked as his replacement. Jets probably wont draft or sign a fullback unless they feel he could be a special teams contributor.
Wide Receiver
Braylon Edwards, Jerricho Cotchery (starters), Brad Smith (Jack of all trades, master of none), David Clowney, Danny Woodhead (backups)
Edwards is back for at least one more year. Cotchery is very surehanded and clutch when needed. Brad Smith is effective in a special teams role and trickery. Clowney and Washington need to contribute on special teams to keep their jobs.
-Bottom line. Jets need a wide receiver or two. A slot wide receiver would help out Sanchez giving him a 4th option in the passing game (Behind Edwards, Cotchery, and Keller) Ideally the receiver could run solid routes for a rookie and possess strong hands. A plus would be one who has potential to be a #1/#2 wide receiver should Braylon be booed out of town because of his lack of concentration. If we go strictly slot receiver, I'd like to try and get a receiver later with upside, or one with enough speed and toughness to play on special teams.
Tight End
Dustin Keller (starter) Ben Hartstock (backup)
I predict a breakout year for Keller. Its not really a bold prediction but you could start to see more chemistry between him and and Sanchez. Hartstock was finally resigned. Wayne Hunter also fills in on short yardage downs.
-Bottom Line I doubt we draft one after Hartstock resigned. May sign an undrafted player to the practice squad who can block and might have a little offensive upside.
Offensive Line:
Starters: D'brickashaw Ferguson, Alan Faneca, Nick Mangold, Brandon Moore, Damien Woody. Backups, Matt Slauson, Wayne Hunter, Robert Turner.
D'brick and Mangold are money. Pro bowl talent, young, and durable (knock on wood). Faneca started to show his age and wasn't strong in the pass blocking. Woody and Moore are also getting to the point where age can be a concern in the near future. Slauson in a year or two may be able to take over Moores role, but Hunter and Turner are nothing more than mediocre with little upside.
-Bottom line. I would be ecstatic to see Iupati. It is probably a dream as he could fill in at either guard or even RT given an injury or poor production from a starter, but he'd have to fall. Either way, I'd like us to target a tackle with upside and a guard with the athleticism to pull.
Defensive Line:
Shaun Ellis, Kris Jenkins (starters) Mike Devito, Sione Pouha (backups)
We are a little thin. Marques Douglas is still a free agent, and would be welcomed back. Devito is a situational guy who shouldnt be starting and Pouha could be effective on rushing downs. I pray Jenkins stays healthy and hopefully Pouha seems enough time to keep Kris fresh. Ellis was solid and age may catch up to him too. Even if we bring Douglas back he is a short term solution.
-Bottom line. I think if Douglas isnt signed we will use a 1st or 2nd on a DE provided there is one worthy of the selection. Another nose would be good late.
OLB.
Calvin Pace, Bryan Thomas (starters). Vernon Gholston, Jamaal Westerman (backups)
What a difference a year makes. Calvin Pace goes from being of pro bowl caliber in Mangini's system to mediocre in Rex Ryans aggressive scheme. Bryan Thomas had a solid post season and seems under rated. He may not be elite but did the job. Gholston figures to be given another chance and Westerman looks to be a special teams guy.
-Bottom Line. Jets lack a playmaker. While our starters may be solid, there is room for improvement. I think the Jets will look to upgrade.
ILB.
Those two are solid enough. Bart needs to backup his words a little more, but overall great tandem.
-Bottom Line. A depth ILB could be used late in the draft. Again someone who can contribute on special teams and develop. If for some reason MT trades Harris for Brandon Marshall, then we'll have a problem.
CB.
Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie (starters) Dwight Lowery (nickel)
Revis is the best in the game. Cromartie should do the job, and Lowery gives you his best. The problem is Drew Coleman saw the field way too much last season and the Jets don't have the depth needed to take on the Colts and make it to the Super Bowl. Also Cromartie is on the final year of his contract.
-Bottom line. I'd like to see at least one more. Ideally a nickel back who can press and play man coverage without needing safety help. Provided we do face the Colts, they have 5 dangerous targets for Manning (Wayne, Garcon, Gonzalez, Collie, and Clark) Dwight Lowery has gotten hurt a little too.
Safety
Jim Leonhard, Brodney Poole (starters) Eric Smith, James Ihedigbo
Though I like Pooles ablities those concussions are worrisome. Jim Leonhard may be the most hard working football player on the team who only lacks size. Smith and Ihedigbo are system players who shouldn't be starting.
-Bottom Line. I'm looking for us to draft one. A free safety would be the consensus choice, with enough range and physicality.
Special Teams.
K Nick Folk. P Steve Weatherford.
Its time's like this I wish we valued these positions as highly as the Raiders do. (this is the only time I will speak highly of the Raiders - although those contracts were absurd). I hope Feely comes home, and if we dont bring in 12 punters this offseason I'd be happy.
-Bottom Line, I wouldnt rule out a late round punter selection. I hope Feely resigns, if not Folk is the guy. I hope he returns to pro bowl form or he will be on the way out faster than Doug Brien.
So after all of that, here are my needs. 1 scat back, 2 WR, 1 guard, 1 tackle, 1 DE, 1 NT, 1 OLB, 1 ILB, 1 CB, 1 FS, 1 P. One wide receiver, 1 DE, and 1 CB are my most pressing concerns.
SCENARIOS
#29 pick
-We select Jared Odrick. High motor, good intangibles. Will bring youth to the DL and be an instant starter. Not a sexy pick and may never get the sacks that a 4-3 DE will, Odrick could be a valuable boost to a position we are thin at.
-We take an OLB. Brandon Graham Sergio Kindle and Jerry Hughes come to mind. None of these three may even make it to us. All bring the same type of competitiveness and athleticism needed. May be only a passing down specialist unless Pace or Thomas is released.
-Dez Bryant. He has been falling on a lot of boards. For some reason, he seems like a Bengal type of player. He has the talent, time will tell if he has the heart and desire to be great.
-Mike Iupati. Not a huge need be a potentially dominate OL in future years.
-Trade down. Accumulate draft choices.
#61.
If we draft Odrick, then I look for a OLB who may have fell, a WR, or a nickel back. If we don't I may look to either trade down and secure someone like Arthur Jones in the 3rd. Because Arthur is coming off injuries, I'd try to sign Douglas to a one year contract. I know Shipley is the consensus around here but I am confident he'll be available later and if we can some how get 2 3rd rounders here, and get him and Jones, I'd be very happy.
As far as the other picks, its best players available at the positions needed. Those who've seen my posts know I am high on Adrian Tracy out of William and Mary if we dont take a OLB first or second round. I have rethought my Cam Thomas pick and thought I still believe he has an upside above Pouha's and I'd like to have a 3rd nose, there are more pressing needs.
#29. Jared Odrick DE Penn State
#61. Patrick Robinson CB Florida ( I think he may indeed fall)
4th #1. I trade for a 5th and 6th
4th #2 Dezmon Briscoe WR Kansas
5th.Deji Karim RB Southern Illinois
6th. Anthony Levine FS Mid Tenn State
6th: Adrian Tracy OLB William & Mary.
Anyways I certainly wish we had more draft choices. Really would love to have another WR and OL.
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Chauncey Washington is a wide receiver,
like receiving is Toby Gerhart’s best attribute. Chauncey Washington is a running back.
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Either Way he is a special teamer
And probably won’t be playing regularly. I really dont want to get into Toby Gerhart. He is a talented back and lets leave it at that.
Chauncey Washington as I understand it, was heavily recommended by Sanchez because of his ability to block…..
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I completely screwed up.
Do you think Washington would play much? Or kick off returns?
We all screw up on occasions lol, I do all the time.
I saw bits of Washington while he was at USC, and the only thing I can really remember about him is that he is a bit of a dancer behind the line, when I watched him, he either tried to just plough it straight ahead, or he danced behind the line too long. I don’t think he will equate to much personally, but he will be given a chance in camp.
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Could he may be move to fullback if he hits the weight room a little more? His running isnt impressive but perhaps if he bulked up and was stronger on his blocks he could switch.
I guess it’s a possibility without a doubt, what is he now, 225lb’s, Jason Davis who seems to be the one being groomed as T-Rich’s replacement is just North of 240lb’s. So if he can’t get a look in as a RB, the logical option would be to switch to the FB position. Hadn’t really thought of that, but if his blocking is as good as I have heard it is, then why not.
Also nice post BTW, I disagree on some things, but reasoning for your selections are solid. You know I’m high on Shipley, but also Decker, so would really want to come out of the draft with either one of them. Also would look to the UDFA class for a potential RB, I like picking up backs there who have a nice running style, put them behind our O-line they can do some damage if they have the dedication or hard work.
I would be OK with Robinson, but I really don’t see him falling, would love to pick up McCourty if he were still available which is also unlikely.
Heard you talk about Adrian Tracy a little, I don’t really know too much about him, so what kind of guy is he? how’s his coverage?
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He is a DE, ~6-3 250. He did drop into space as a linebacker in Texas vs the nation. I thought he looked good doing it. Obviously he is a project at the position. His pass rushing skills are very good. He dominated from a 3 point stance(12 sacks) against lesser competition but looked good in the 1-on-1 drills. His 10 yard was a 1.6 so he does have a great burst though his overall speed might be a little less than Hughes.
He is a 6th round pick because he went to a small school, and may not have all the intangibles, but he does have the abilities to succeed. Right now I think we are looking for a passing down blitzer from the linebacker position with Thomas and Pace still here. I dont expect him to be an every down player for at least a year or two. In the 6th round, not a huge risk, but could be a good payoff.
Sounds like a good low risk/high reward guy, you won’t have much trouble selling a small school player to me, there are some cracking guys available that are just over looked because of where they play. So you see him as a down 3-4 DE in pass rushing situations, or a standing OLB?
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I never said Gerhart
wasn’t talented. I would be thrilled if we ended up with him. My beef was that you trashed Ryan Mathews, saying he was the same as TJ, when in reality Gerhart is closer to TJ then Mathews is, and you also said Gerhart should be our guy because he is the best blocker and one of the best receiving backs in the draft. I don’t know about anybody else, but I vehemently disagree on both accounts.
As far as blocking, he loves the contact and he is a willing blocker, but his technique is flawed. Stop reading and taking SI as the holy grail and just watch a little film on the guy. He tries hard, and has potential to be a good blocker, but his fundamentals and footwork need improvement in pass protection, he tends to just throw his body at people, instead of using his frame and footwork to block guys. Maybe that worked in NCAA, but it won’t work in college, not consistently.
As far as receiving, there are differing opinions. I don’t think he is a “bad” receiver, by any means, but there is definitely a lot of room for improvement. His hands are good enough, but he just doesn’t always look comfortable running routes, he isn’t nearly as smooth running in the flats or over the middle without the ball as he is running down field with it. He looks a bit clumsy at times when he is a receiver, though he does fine enough once he has the ball in his hands, using his quiet speed, and his underrated elusiveness, and of course his raw power.
He is an okay receiver, and a well intentioned pass blocker who is raw and needs work, but those 2 things aren’t even close to the strengths of his game. Did you watch Stanford? This guy is a bruiser, that’s his strength, and trashing Mathews by questionably calling him slow, you said he was slower then TJ, and other then that exactly the same, then you say Gerhart is special based on his blocking and receiving. It’s just confusing that’s all.
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Sorry but you have me mixed up with someone else
I haven’t gotten into a Toby Gerhart thing. I think he is a very good back. I think that we should target other players when he will be taken off the board. I fixed the whole Washington/Woodhead thing. I really should have edited it. BUt thanks for pointing it out.
Any other thoughts as far as my ideas in the draft? Or do you have one?
My bad, sorry about that,
got you mixed up with Judgegavel, because of our Leon debate in the same thread. You’re right, it was Judge who was trashing Mathews, and inaccurately (in my opinion) depicting Toby Gerhart as a player.
#29. Jared Odrick DE Penn State
#61. Patrick Robinson CB Florida ( I think he may indeed fall)
4th #1. I trade for a 5th and 6th
4th #2 Dezmon Briscoe WR Kansas
5th.Deji Karim RB Southern Illinois
6th. Anthony Levine FS Mid Tenn State
6th: Adrian Tracy OLB William & Mary.
I like it, not the exact way I would go personally, but it’s solid, realistic, I don’t love Odrick but a lot of people like him a lot and I’d be fine with him at this point, Dezmon Briscoe is my favorite pick on here, I think he is a real sleeper in this draft, especially that late.
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- CRASH DAVIS
Its cool.
I think Briscoe is very under rated. I hope he does fall. Times like this I really wish we had a 3rd round pick!
Odrick was as someone said earlier, a pick that isnt sexy. But I think he will be a very good player, though his stats as a 3-4 DE probably won’t wow anyone.
We only have one 4th the one we received from AZ we dont have our’s it was included in either the Sanchez or Edwards trade cant remember which one.
by Markis ThatGuy Jones on Mar 20, 2010 7:58 PM EDT reply actions
Lito Sheppard trade.
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Is it officially our pick again?
Has he been cut? By the way, I dont think we have a 7th. I can’t confirm that but I think its going to detroit for o’connell.
I think that because he took a certain amount of defensive snaps, the fact that he was cut didn’t matter. Regardless of what we did with him after one year, we were pegged to give them our 4th and they returned their 5th.
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I think Pace had a decent year.
8 sacks in 12 games is not bad. of course it seemed like he did it against bum competition. I want that fearsome outside rusher, that game changer. Also any depth on both lines would be great. one injury on either side of the lines could cost us the season. I know we need secondary and wide reciever help, but I feel the backbone of any sucessful team besides QB is their O and D lines.
I agree with Big Oh and I like Iupati at 29, Tate is not a bad option either but I would not take him if we thought we could get Shipley in the second round.
Therefore I say Hughes Odrick or Iupati and 29
by Markis ThatGuy Jones on Mar 21, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
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jet47 The 7th round pick for O’Connell is in 2011.
#29. Jared Odrick DE Penn State
I liked J Hughes, if not available J Odrick
#61. Patrick Robinson CB Florida ( I think he may indeed fall)
If we get Hughes then,Geno Atkins DE, an undersized DT from Georgia
4th #1. I trade for a 5th and 6th
4th #2 Dezmon Briscoe WR Kansas
David Gettis 6-3 217 WR Baylor-I like Brisco too
5th.Deji Karim RB Southern Illinois
6th. Anthony Levine FS Mid Tenn State
Brian Jackson 6-1 202 FS/CB-Oklahoma or Levine(Pool is one concussion away from retirement)
6th: Adrian Tracy OLB William & Mary.
7th Travis Ivey 6-4 341 NT-Maryland
We only have one 4th round selection, the one from the Rhodes trade, the other went to Philly for Sheppard, which they have traded to Seattle.
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One fourth Round Pick
We only have one 4th round selection, the one from the Rhodes trade, the other went to Philly for Sheppard, which they have traded to Seattle.
You are absolutely correct. I copied (my bad) w/o checking.
1. (a)J Hughes or (b)J Oldrick
2.If (a) Geno Atkins or (b)Daryl Washington TCU
4.Brisco or Gettis – your choice
5.B Jackson (size) or Levine (speed) – your choice
6.Thomas Welch 6-7 307 OT Vanderbuilt
7.Travis Ivey 6-4 341 NT-Maryland
Jets Draft Scenarios
1Rd.Brandon Graham or Jerry Hughes.2Rd.Alex Carrington or Austen Lane.4Rd.Taylor Price.5Rd. Ben Tate.6Rd.Tony Washington. &Rd. Marshall Newhouse.
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