New York Jets: Mock Draft, Version 2.0
As promised, here is my second mock draft, if you want to see version 1.0 here it is. After I completed that, I took on board the comments from everyone, from here and at other places. I thought about it, looked back over more prospects, got a better idea of stock placement now that the combine is finished. Right here is what I ended up with in the end.
I plan to do one more of these before the draft, to reflect any free agent signings that may occur, any trades and any players who's pro days effect there stock to a degree where they had to be moved.
I'm sure that some people will like some selections, hate others etc, but anyone who has read this site over the last month will understand that a lot of people have a lot of conflicting views on what we need. Which I take for a positive, because it means we really don't have any real glaring needs.
There might be a bit too much offence in this draft for some people, keep in mind that we can find players as UDFA after the draft, and I think the options on defence there will be greater, like Jan Jorgensen who we looked at yesterday.
So anyway join me after the jump:
New York Jets trade the 2011 first round pick and 6th round pick to the Kansas City Chiefs for the 36th & 99th pick in the 2010 NFL draft- Draft value wise, this would work, I have faith in our team next year to the extent that we will be selecting 28th or lower. This is a deep draft, post 2010 I don't expect us to have too many holes, and although you hate to trade away a first round draft pick, in this instance I personally think that it is worth it. Kansas has two 2nd round selections, they can pick up a first and hope we fail, they will still be building next off-season.
With the 29th selection in the NFL Draft, the New York Jets select: Jerry Hughes, OLB, TCU
I hear you people when you say we need a pass rusher in this class. After continuing to look at Jerry Hughes even after the scouing report article. I would love to add this guy to the team, 6-3 257lb's, great initial burst, has a nose for the ball, never gives up on any plays. Has lightning speed around the edge, agile, athletic. Has good length, runs plays down. General quickness, good lateral movement, works hard, loves the game and loves to hit. Is there anything that I missed out. His stock seems to be sitting at the end of the first round, start of the 2nd, potentially he could be had a little later, but I'm not taking any risk. I give Rex an explosive toy to play with here and watch him wreak havoc among AFC offences.
With the 36th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select, Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
I hadn't paid too much notice to McCourty before the senior bowl, before others started talking about him. Then I went away and looked at him in detail, and like I put in the scouting report at the time my eyes were opened. He just ran a 4.34 in the combine today, and many questioned his speed. He gets off blocks, he works man to man, he works the zone, a good open field tackler with speed. Very physical, can be used in press coverage, reads the QB's well, doesn't fall for play action or lose track of the receiver. You can read more in the actual scouting report, but I personally think that this guy is as good as it gets at corner in this draft, apart fro Haden. I know a lot of you are high on Wilson, and I wouldn't mind that, but there is a chance McCourty is here, and when you are talking about value at the selection, McCouty is it. Would love to see him paired with Revis
With the 61st selection in the 2010 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select, Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas
A lot of people had a problem with me selecting Jordan in the first round in version 1, and I admit that was a little too high. I honestly thought his stock would rise that much, after talking to a lot of people, it seems it sits right around the mid-low 2nd. There is a chance he would be gone, but there is also a good chance he could still be here. In which case it really is a no brainer for me. This gives Sanchez a weapon from the slot, and as far as I'm concerned that's a priority. Shipley is going to be an excellent pro, I have yet to see a single scout say otherwise, I think he will likely produce 800-1000 yards a season with a good QB. He has excellent route running ability, some of the best hands I have seen, he is intelligent, finds the soft spot in zones and makes players miss. In my mind adding him to an already steady receiving core just takes us to that next level, it balances us out, and gives us that weapon over the middle we haven't had in some years. Jordan Shipley....come on down.
With the 99th selection in the 2010 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select, Greg Hardy, DE/OLB Ole Miss
This guy has some red flags, nobody is denying that, he has injury issues, and some would say attitude issues. A player that sometimes looks like he is giving it less than 100%. His recent performance at the combine has not helped his stock any. When I watched him he had a tendency to look lazy and disinterested. Saying all that, not long ago people considered him a potential first rounder. Since then his stock has taken a nose dive steeper than Wall Street. He still has the talent, he still can get to the QB, 10.0 sacks in 2007. He has quickness, he has burst and when he wants to he can be a nightmare for any tackle. The problem is getting it out of him on a consistent basis. I like the idea of giving someone like Hardy a chance with a guy like Rex, if he can't get it out of you then nobody will.
With the Eagles 5th round selection, the New York Jets select, RB, Joique Bell, Wayne State
Do we need to select a RB? some will say yes, others will say no, Greene and Leon can handle it and we have Chauncey. Well thanks to Crackback, this guy has been on the rise in my mind. When I saw the post about him, I had never heard of him, went away and took a look and was quite impressed. Always have to take the competition into account but at 6'1 and 220+, with a thick upper and lower body. It might be worth taking a gamble, just in case something happens to one of our starters. He is mainly here because when I read his scouting report, I saw that most seem to think that he will succeed in a zone blocking scheme. I'm sure you all remember last season, we moved to a zone blocking scheme. Very strong guy, keeps his legs churning, and can take a pounding without losing a step. We want to play some smash mouth football, this might be the guy for us. Worth consideration at least.
With the 6th round selction in the 2010 NFL draft, the New York Jets select Blair White, WR, Michigan State
I like Blair White, he was a walk on and that shows that he had to work hard for every single ounce of playing time. His first couple of years he was a special teamer, and a damn good one at that. For a late round receiver that's important. he is your prototypical hard nosed guy, he is not the strongest, he is not the fastest, but he blocks with 110% effort he will do whatever you tell him, and he will work his butt off. He is a good route runner. First in the 20 yard shuttle, 3rd in the three cone drill. He won't amaze anyone, but I would like to give him a chance, smart routes, good special teamer, good team mate, worth a 6th round selection in my books
With the 7th round selection, the New York Jets Select Will Barker, OT, Virginia
I'm not sure if we have a 7th, I know we had Green Bay's for Favre, but I think that was returned, and I think ours is heading to Detroit for O'Connell, if so I take this guy in the 6th and remove Blair White. I say we draft this guy just for the hair, look at that fire. Virginia boy who was on the same team as D'Brickashaw Ferguson, his stock will sit somewhere from the 5th-7th round, but I like him. He was part of a Virginia line that gave up the least sacks in the country in 2009. He has a nice slide step, his hand placement is decent, he gets a nice jump off the ball and his strength can knock players back. He isn't the most athletic player you are going to find, but at 6'7 and 320, he is a big guy with a nice burst. He's also a tremendous work ethic guy, he hustles down the field. Can see a lot of upside in red fire here, and wouldn't mind Callahan taking a good look at him when it's all said and done.
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Honestly, if our draft went like that i’d be ecstatic. The only questionable pick is Hardy, and not bc its not worth it so much as it is that we already have a project at the position with Gholston and I have a feeling we’re going to pick up Adelius Thomas. But the guy, talent wise, is worth it at that spot. If we pick up Thomas, I think we go RB at that spot.
But getting just the first 3 guys alone would make me super-excited. And I like Bell a lot as a late pick. I think he has a ton of potential and could possibly be one of those sleepers that nobody could believe was passed on by so many.
Love this Mock!!!
Yeah, but Hardy is a first round talent
that for whatever reason just didn’t put it all together at Ole Miss, but at times he was flat out dominant. Getting Hardy in the 4 th might be my favorite part of this mock, it reminds me of the Shonn Greene pick. Guy had 10 sacks as a sophomore and 8 as a junior before only 5 this year, but he is crazy talented, and at times just unstoppable. I think Hardy could even get down in the 3-4 DE spot, or the OLB spot, because of his size. Guy is an absolute mammoth of a man, listed at 6’5, 270
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I love this mock.,,,
But I don’t see Shipley available at 61. Dave, you and i had some discussion about Wilson vs. Cox Vs. Mccourty and I have to say that I’d be fine with Devin as that CB pick. I’ve read up on him as well and I like his work ethic.
I don’t see Hughes happening either if we pick up Thomas. I think Hardy is a good call too as I hear his stock is also rising. Wow… I can’t wait for this draft to happen!
I had the same thoughts about Hughes if we grabbed Thomas. But after thinking about it for a bit, I think Hughes is the real deal and you can’t pass on a guy like him. Grab him if he’s there and deal one of the others if you have to. Or just cut Gholston. I also agree with you as far as CBs go. Im fine with any of the 3 you mentioned, they all would be a good fit.
I was thinking about all this Thomas talk, and do we think the Patriots would release him when he is more than likely going to the Jets? would they not just trade him for peanuts, just to prevent him from coming to us? I should probably look at his contract situation, but well, I’m just too tired. ;-0
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I think Shipley will be available in the 3rd round
he did not have a good combine, and even before that most experts had him as a late 2nd to 3rd round pick.
by secret defense on Mar 2, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think his combine will effect him at all, he wasn’t expected to have a good combine. Late 2nd is a steal, and as we don’t have a 3rd, it’s 2nd only available
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I think 2nd round is too high for a slot receiver
you if spend a 2nd round pick on a receiver that player better has top 2 receiver potential. What do you think about us getting Demaryius Thomas or Damian Williams?
by secret defense on Mar 2, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
They do the same job as what we have, Braylon and Cotch are the outside guys, I think getting either would defeat the purpose. Hate to sound like a broken record, but just because he doesn’t split out wide doesn’t mean he can’t produce like a 1st or 2nd receiver, like Welker.
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i'm saying that because
I think Cotchery would make an excellent slot receiver. Shipley doesn’t have the pure speed to be more than a slot receiver. Even though the Jets are a running team, it would be better if they had more explosive guys for Sanchez to throw to. The only guy we have right now is Edwards, who may be let go after next season.
by secret defense on Mar 2, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Get the ball in Shipleys hands and he is explosive, he might not run past you, but he will get separation by his excellent route running and then good luck trying to bring him down, having him work the middle with Edwards and Cotchery outside, I think that is a winning combination personally. Not mad on Cotch in the slot, he works well from that number 2 position.
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Better... still not great lol
NYJ trade pick #29 to KC (used for Odrick, CB, or TE) in exchange for KC’s 2nd (#36) and 4th (#99) (even on the draft value chart)
NYJ select with #36:
Devin McCourty – CB, Rutgers.
NYJ select with #61:
Cam Thomas – NT, North Carolina
NYJ select with #99
Kurt Coleman – DB, Ohio State
NYJ select with PHI’s 5th
Nate Byham – TE, Pittsburgh
NYJ’s 6th round selection:
Adrian Tracy – OLB William & Mary
NYJ’s 7th round selection:
Ramon McElrathbey – RB, Howard
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Why go TE and RB? We have depth at a little depth at TE and we also have Chauncey Washington at RB. You don’t think that slot receiver option is a need?
Also, please…. no more Ohio state players
Nick Mangold turned out to be one heck of a player.
And I do not believe a slot receiver is a big need. I think we look for someone that goes undrafted or trade Brad Smith and use the pick on a replacement. I think Keller can be played in the slot, and I think that if we got a TE, it’d mean less of Hartstock or Hunter and both of their penalties and miscues. A slot receiver wouldn’t be played a lot and I would only spend a day 3 pick on one.
Further, a late round RB would be because of the lack of depth and we could use a 3rd string guy. I dont even know if we have that pick because of the McConnell trade but everyone is saying we have one.
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are you retarded?
You completely ignore two of the three requirements the jest need most: WR and DE/OLB. Yea I know you have us picking Adrian Tracy but what kind of value can you really expect in the sixth round. I’m sure there’s gonna be that steal out there somewhere, but I don’t like our chances of picking a game changer that late in the draft. And to top it off, you have us taking a NT at the end of the second round? Why we address that so early in the draft? We have the best tackle in football with Jenkins and Pouha really stepped up this year so I don’t think nose tackle is a huge concern. The bottom line is we need a game changing pass rusher and a corner early. If we could get a solid number 3 wr (preferably Shipley) I think this draft would be a huge success.
A DE? or an OLB. Two different needs. And no WR is not a need. Jenkins, THomas or Pouha could rotate out to an end if needed.
DE/OLB satisfy the same requirement because they refer to getting to the qb. We don’t need a true OLB because we have Pace and Thomas but we do need someone that can be an effective pass rusher. If we get that with a DE or and OLB it would be fine. And you’re right we don’t need a WR, we have Cotch and Banana Hands Edwards. Don’t get me wrong I love both of them (especially Cotch) but we need somebody who can catch the ball across the middle. It would give us weapons in all three levels of the passing game (backfield, short-mid, and long)
by airamerica11 on Mar 2, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
You are crazy. A 3-4 End is to try and eat up blockers and get in running lanes. An OLBs job is to try and hit the lanes the Ends have opened up.
As far as in the middle we have Keller. Does a fine job. You dont find us running 3 WR sets often anyways to justify a WR that high.
You wouldn’t want a reliable route runner with great hands for 3rd down anyway? we are going to open up this play book for Sanchez and sooner or later we will be running from 3 WR sets because that’s the way the league is going. You draft for 10 years, not one season. You don’t like Shipley, if I were jets21 I would say it was because he was white, obviously I’m not that ignorant. That’s fine, but giving Sanchez weapons is a good option. With the interviews to Tate etc, it seems that we may well be thinking along those lines as well. For that I’m grateful.
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To be honest I would. Probably not at a 2nd round pick for someone who is still raw in other aspects of their game. I’d greatly prefer someone like Tory Holt if he was willing to accept a pay cut and the role he was offered. A veteran who can help this kid through the toughest part of his career, not another obstacle.
To be honest I’m not completely against Holt, I just think that Holt is a band-aid and it would be more beneficial to the offence over the long run if we brought in someone that Sanchez can grow with. To be quite honest the thought of Sanchez developing with Edwards/Shipley and Cotchery for a few more years, well that just rocks my world.
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I agree 99% he is a band-aid
But I think that Sanchez might develop a little more with him there instead of a rookie. It’d be much easier if we had more than 4 draft choices lol.
Who said anything about playing a DE at DE? Isn’t the reason we looked at people like Peppers, Odrick and Graham because we were gonna put them at OLB? The only reason we look at them is because they are adept at getting to the qb.
by airamerica11 on Mar 2, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
You have me confused. You are talking about one need? a DE/OLB hybrid?
You know what. You call me a retard and you really aren’t that well informed. I think you shouldnt attack people but respond with a question or thought out response.
Odrick is a DT/DE We would draft him as a 3-4 end.
Who’s versatility could also be used to play as a DT in the 4-3 sets……
BTW would like to add that I have been a strong supporter of Odrick since day one, you joined a little later, but I have been singing his praises for some time. So although I would like us to go with a OLB rusher, you won’t hear a single complaint from me if we were to select Odrick.
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My only complaint with that is if e fail to get a serviceable corner. I’d love Odrick. In the mock draft I did on the fanpost awhile back of the first round I had us taking him.
Yeah we all read your fanpost. It was a huge hit. A+ material.
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No, I’m dead serious! The water cooler was buzzing all morning!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You are one funny guy. What would this site be without you?
So basically your reply is to pick up on the one thing that might be off and just try to feed off it? Instead of actually addressing the issue we’re talking about?
by airamerica11 on Mar 2, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
and in terms of the need of a pass rusher, Odrick would suffice even if he did stay primarily at end
by airamerica11 on Mar 2, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t the reason we looked at people like Peppers, Odrick and Graham because we were gonna put them at OLB
If you think we are talking about Odrick to fill an OLB need you are misinformed. We are talking about Odrick to play the DL, just like I was talking about getting Cam THomas to do the same. That is the issue we were talking about? right?
No you’re missing the point. It doesn’t matter the position whether it’s at end or OLB. The point I was making is that we need somebody to get to the qb. You cant possibly argue that we don’t. And i agree that we need a corner but if we can get away with rushing 4 or 5 instead of 7 or 8 we’d be able to drop more people into coverage and wouldn’t have to worry as much about holes in the secondary
by airamerica11 on Mar 2, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
If you want to rush 4 or 5,thats call a read and react defense which can be used by the Patriots and many other teams. If you only rush 3 or 4 that could be Mangini’s browns though.
So the point you want to make is the second pick (or first – probably first) is we need someone to displace bryan thomas or the grossly overpaid calvin pace instead of fixing a hole on our defense?
yes thank you I know what a read is. So am I understanding you correctly… You feel that rushing 7 or 8 to get the qb is something we should continue to do? Did you watch the AFC Championship game when Peyton picked us apart? The reason there were so many holes in the secondary is because the only way to get some pressure was to send the house consistently. I guess you’re of the mind that sending 8 is better than sending 4 or 5 and getting the same (or after watching that game, more) amount of pressure.
by airamerica11 on Mar 2, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
I feel rushing 5-7 especially on passing downs is what we have to do. That’s head coach Rex Ryan! Rex will always dial up the blitzes. It’s his philosophy that he will not abandon. Rex’s schemes work and I actually enjoy watching our defense unlike the previous few years.
I think Rex’s style is hitting the QB. And i think he’d rather hit him using the least amount of players as possible.
I’m not so sure Hughes would accomplish that. That would mean that we are sending our 3 DL and I’m guessing a combination of Harris and Pace and Hughes to try to get there. I think Rex likes the confusion part. I know he’d love Gholston to step up, and he has tried to publically endorse him, but I think Rex likes the confusion. If he only started blitzing the same 5 or 6, QBs like Peyton Manning could adjust.
I agree with Crackback, Ryan’s system is about hitting the qb. Of course he’s going to use a variety of formations and try to confuse people. That is why it is so important for guys like hughes to show they can drop back in coverage so Ryan doesn’t have to blitz the same guys every time. But there is no way he is content knowing that the only way to hit the qb is by sending everybody. With an effective pass rusher, Ryan will have even more to work with and it will make it that much harder for qb’s to diagnose
So why Hughes over Brandon Graham? I think Rex more than anything loves mismatches to get to the QB. Thats why he is still really high on Gholston. Rex will continue to send a lot of guys in a disguise blitz. I’m not sure Hughes has the coverage skills you believe he may possess.
Brandon Graham’s stock is through the rook right now, I don’t think he falls within reach can see him going low 20’s.
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Didn’t he have a below average combine? I think Hughes stock rivals his and its a matter of team preference. I had NE taking him in my personal mock which I hated, but the more I think about it the more I think they may wait with the amount of options available in the 2nd round. I’ve been very high on him all season. In all honesty I was hoping that he had a horrible senior week so he’d fall to us later!
If he did I didn’t hear about it, and I haven’t seen him on any lists that had his stock dropping, he does so many things, I would be shocked to find him sitting there at 29
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Yer so he didn’t really do much at the combine, it was just precautionary and he will do everything the scouts want at the pro day. I doubt a minor tweak to the hamstring and sitting out as a precautionary measure is going to effect his draft stock.
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Looks like a police mugshot. Not sure he’d gel in Rex’s system. Talent only gets you so far.
I don't know
a beast like that in the 4th round? Nobody is a sure thing at that point, but Hardy is crazy talented, I think Rex would find a way to utilize him.
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Haha
Clearly you’ve never seen pictures of Terrell Suggs or Ray Lewis then… lol
Jets47, I hear you, and I’ve even heard arguments that Leon can be played in the slot as well, but we don’t really have the top tier receiving talent that scares defenses. And with Rex allowing Schotty/Sanchez to open up the offense this year, I do think we need weapons…
At the same time, don’t get me wrong. I know that defense is where we are going first and that is obviously our first priority. Jets21, you may not like AT, but I have to say that I trust Rex and Tanny’s judgment here if we pick him up. He was never a fit for the Pat’s read and react system. I’d think he’d thrive in our system.
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merely said that is what hogwash that people dump months of film in the can in favor of of what they see at the combine. i dont think that his comment wa a direct stab at SI, or an assault on the proffesional nature of thier analysis. what i will say in cracks defense is that i too feel too much emphasis is placed on the combine(i.e. Vern). And i must also say that you managed to turn that small comment into a personal attack on one of the more educated and poignant contributors here.
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Control, I haven’t really recalled any of your posts. Where are you on all of this. You havent really responded to my posts.
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i will admit myself as a bit of a lurker.
prefer a more tactical approach to posting/comments.
my opinion on the entire draft process, and these mocks in particular is that while they’re all comforting, they are as well benign. it is so utterly impossible to predict what’s going on especially in the first round, that it’s almost a waste of time to speculate. i will say however that i believe the Jets will be having a much more conservative draft than in years past, and i also feel that sanchez does need something, be it a slot reciever or a mentor on his second string. as far as anything else goes, it’s all opinion, and more than happy to let it ensue.
by ControlTheMind on Mar 2, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’d argue that Sanchez needs more than anything is a mentor, which is why I’m pro-Pennington. He is a class act who is one of the best at studying and analyzing. I think Sanchez has a legit #1 WR (however many passes he drops), a sure handed solid #2, and a still developing Keller. Also we will see Leon for short outlet passes. I’m not sure how a high I would want to draft a WR. Unfortunately we don’t have the luxury of many picks – which is why I traded down in my feeble attempt. I also think that Brad Smith fits the bill as that 4th receiver after Edwards, J Co, and Keller. I think he won’t ever progress into anything more which is why if we could get a 3rd or 4th for him, I would turn around and draft a replacement for him in a heart beat.
All I see are posts wanting a WR or RB, those glory positions. I prefer to address those unheralded spots. I can’t tell you the last time we had a reliable 2nd corner. Ty Law was too old, Sheppard was over rated. Barrett was a joke. Anyone who watched the Jets could tell you our weakest spots last season were that corner opposite Revis, our run D once Jenkins was hurt, our QB, our linebackers actually getting some sacks and the punter lol. I think though our D was #1, it can certainly improve and not blow last minute leads.
Pennington is good, and we’re definitely drafting defense seeing how deep this class supposedly is. But it would be wrong not to get Sanchez some help in the draft by giving him another solid option to throw to. Edwards, his stone hands and his volatility just isn’t comforting to me. I also think Cotchery and his hands are better suited for the slot.
Please don’t comment relating to me. You were very insulting the first time and after I tried defending you by not knowing who I was you didn’t even have the courage to apologize or to take it back or anything. I at least said I was sorry to David about the confusion. You just hid.
You bring the attacks onto yourself, buddy. Dont play the victim here.
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You bash me my first post for which I took back. I hear nothing. And now you infer I am hiding my IP address? How the heck do I do that? What does that even mean?
I’ll leave you alone. It’s interesting you knew what I was referring to when I mentioned masking IP’s…. now you suddenty are playing stupid. and have no idea what it means.
This is your thread anyways, so good luck.
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Masking is a term I understand. To hide something. So I’m hiding an IP address. Got that. Is there more. Its the first time I’ve heard anything of the sort. And your sarcasm is not needed.
So How do I mask my IP address? What do I do. What benefit would it do?
I dont see why you even brought it up. You clearly hold something against me and that is troubling. You are a Staff Writer. I think as that you can at least comment on opinions and make points. And now it seems you see jets47 and jump to conclusions. I may not have the most informed opinions, but I can usually back most of them up.
Lets say for the sake of argument that on 1st and 2nd downs we tend to run I sets: 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB, and 1 FB. If we spent a high draft pick on a WR, he will see primarily playing times on 3rd downs or when we are down. It will be hard to develop a rhythm during the course of the game, where as especially in round 1 with a corner we will see playing time virtually every shift. I think if we could pick up someone like Torry Holt for this season we would be much better off than a rookie. Next season when we have all 7 picks we can look toward there.
The argument isnt for drafting WR per se. Its for drafting Shipley. Shipley at that spot is an absolute steal, and very well could happen. If Shipley is gone, then i don’t think that we necessarily fo WR there.
And most teams tend to run on 1st and 2nd down, which negates your argument for a nickel-back.
How much of Texas have you been watching? Are you just going by David’s reports?
And I hope you were joking with that last statement. Many teams run 3 WR sets reguarly. Like those colts. Patriots. Cardinals. Saints…. Fullbacks aren’t regularly used by many teams anymore.
You can’t really make this statement, because every team has a different offensive scheme.
OK you named the four main teams that run spread-based offenses. This doesnt apply for the Jets.
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The argument isnt for drafting WR per se. Its for drafting Shipley.
This.
That’s why I don’t worry about the spread offense. The slot is more or less the same. We don’t want him to be a number 1 threat running deep routes outside, just to work the middle, which he has been doing and perfecting for the last 4 years. Most receivers that play the slot in the NFL played outside in college, because there aren’t a lot of real impact slot guys, in the NFL and in college a lot of times the slot guy isn’t actually a slot guy, just the 3rd best receiver, who plays the slot by default. Shipley (and I didn’t feel this way at the beginning of the process, but CB and David have pretty much convinced me) is one of those rare guys that was the number 1 receiver at Texas and just happened to play slot. He isn’t an outside receiver who is going to have to play the slot because he isn’t good enough to make the transition to playing outside in the NFL. He is a great receiver that already has played the slot, should make for a pretty smooth transition.
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by nrmax88 on Mar 3, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not trying to be an idiot here or dictate how you discuss a thread, but worked pretty hard on this thing so can we get back to more football related topics, so been through the top portion, what do people think about say Will Barker? former team mate of Brick, possible depth for the O-line with Slauson.
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Think Slaus has a lot of potential, got to trust Callahan as well being one of the best O-lineman coaches around and coaching him at Nebraska. Will looks like a real nice prospect to me though, quite similar to Slauson.
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I think Callahan will be our OC after this season. I think he needs to be there for us to retain his services – and I dont think Brian has any loyalty to the Jets.
I wish I could give more insight to him but I didnt see a lot of Nebraska. You may or may not remember, but OL depth was one of my concerns as I brought up Faneca, Woody, and Moores age, along with Fanecas deteriorating pass coverage skills.
Hey guys, lets be real here okay, enough with the disrespect to each other. We all like the Jets here, save the jabs for the Pats fans. I agree with the mock draft, cept I think we would be better served getting the kid from Missou, Sean Witherspoon, from what I’ve seen he is the most versatile LB in the draft. I could be wrong, and if anyone can direct me to where I can get my hands on legit tape of these players please let me know. I like this kid though, not only is he quick, he can blitz, and he can cover, he honestly reminds me of JVilma, but in an OLB way. Other than that I agree with ur mock draft all the way Mr Wyatt, I don’t know about trading the 2011 pick, but I think you are right, I don’t know of another way to fill the needs we have, and if we do something like above, we may not need the 2011 1st rounder. Question though, what about Marty Gilyard? I forget what school he is from, but he seemed legit in the senior bowl, had a couple of big plays. I don’t know how he was in college this past year, but Mayock seems to like him, and Mike Mayock is usually on point. At least when it comes to whether or not a prospect will be a good NFL player. Now to get back to Spoon, I know some of you, and analysts may not like how he carries himself, but I think with the combo of MadBackerBart, and Spoon learning from our LB’s he could be even more of a beast than he already seems to be(especially if u consider he could get into opposing player’s psyches as well) ala Bart Scott. Not to mention, when I say that Spoon is versatile, he can cover, play the run, rush the QB, and from what I see and am hearing, he could play OLB, or ILB. Which would be great if we got him, just in case (god forbid) Scott or Harris got hurt, he could be a starter, and fill in at other LB positions if needed. Thoughts? Also, I forget who said it, but I agree, I think its only a matter of time until we are running, and passing out of 3 receiver sets. Gilyard I think would also give us leverage in resigning Braylon if we chose to, without him killing our future cap number. Again from what I have seen Gilyard reminds me of Steve Smith a little, Im not saying he has the same breakaway speed, but he makes plays. Also, u know he will work hard, and appreciate being an NFL player, he lost his scholarship, and worked up to 4 jobs, and slept in his car to stay at the same school and continue to play. I believe he was at Cincy, but I could be wrong. Again if anyone knows where I could get my hands on legit tape of these guys. (Not YouTube) please let me know. I would love to be more informed about this stuff, since I don’t watch much college football. Thoughts?
Good answer Revis24, appreciate you taking the time to put down some stuff there to think about. I think Weatherspoon is a nice prospect, the only thing I worry about with him is his size, at around 6’1 and 240lb’s, most are projecting him to play inside in a 3-4 system, and obviously I don’t think we need to go that direction at the next level. Could he play outside? quite possibly, but his length, height, they make me wonder if he would be successful outside there. From what I have been reading the Steelers are also odds on to select him to be the replacement for James Farrier inside. The fact that most see him more as an inside man and the Steelers are quite possibly going to select him, I never really thought about him at 29 to be perfectly honest
I like Gilyard, the only problem I really have with him is he has a tendency to get knocked off his routes a little too easy, and his hands are not always reliable. I don’t think there are any problems with him completely, but I just think that Shipley is a better prospect at the next level, and having a reliable guy with great hands is something that Sanchez needs. If Shipley is gone though and we select Gilyard, I wouldn’t mind that at all.
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as far as I’ve seen, 90% of these guys are hacks just trying to get a check, and don’t really care enough to be informed. I mean most of them had us going OL, or WR in the 1st and 2nd rounds. Ridiculous, I know we need a slot receiver ala Wes Welker, but u don’t get a guy that won’t be on the field (hopefully) most of the game in the 1st round. I say hopefully, cause I don’t want us to have to not play our style of football, which is the only way our potentially 3rd WR would be on the field at this point. Unless Schotty decides to just start running more of our offense out of 3 WR sets, which I doubt will happen
A lot of mocks
Assume we go BPA at various points and then make their random decision of who that actually means
Question for Mr. Wyatt
Or anyone else who would know. What about Jacoby Ford? I haven’t heard anything about him, but he ran the fastest 40. I know that doesn’t mean much seeing as the game isn’t played in shorts, but if he is truly the fastest guy, any chance he could fall to us in the 2nd? he might be a great slot guy for us.
Jacoby Ford is a quick guy, but his route running leaves a lot to be desired, he was mainly used as a home run threat at Clemson, and he is really going to have to polish those routes. I’m also not sure if he is tough enough to take a beating over the middle. If he was there in the 4th-5th round and we didn’t have a wide receiver on board, would like to see us at least consider him
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ford
ud say the reason that we haven’t heard much from ford would probably be because, though he is a burner, he doesn’t have the size and frame to be strung out over the middle(like revis just reffered to), that’s a role that is going to lead to a lot of big hits being taken. when you think of ford imagine something similar to how bray go hung out a couple of times by sanchez, i would imagine ford may handle that the same(not well), not to mention he’s not considered to really be a sure hands prospect like shipley, or some of the other slot favorites listed here in this discussion.
by ControlTheMind on Mar 3, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
heyward-bey
was also the fastest, and is a notoriously horrible reciever. i’m pretty sure he’s sitting on the depth-chart behind louis murphy, who was a fourth rounder i believe. so lets not invest too much in speed. if your hands aren’t soft i dont care if you run 4.1, you’re no good. and let’s keep in mind there was little to no ford talk before the combine.
by ControlTheMind on Mar 3, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
I think Heyward-Bey can get better, he has room for improvement, he was just taken way too high for what he was expected to produce his first year. Add to that some horrible QB play and he didn’t stand a chance. Louis Murphy’s physical style definitely suits the way Oakland play a little more than Heyward-Bey…..if Oakland can get a decent starting QB, and work with Bey on his route running, he should start making improvements. Horrible selection so high with Al though.
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