Brandon Marshall, It's Not About Football!
by David_Wyatt on Mar 14, 2010 1:33 PM EDT
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Just when I thought we could forget about this guy, we have to do the 180 and look at it again, due to certain "sources" of Mike Lombardi and the NFP
I keep hearing from my Jets sources that they’re having internal discussions regarding Brandon Marshall and would love to put together a package of players that might entice the Broncos and still keep their first-round pick.
Brian Bassett of The Jets Blog pretty much summed up my thoughts on this with his post on the issue today
Talent is unquestionable, but I'm being completely honest here when I say that I would find it almost impossible to root for a man who has allegations on him for all of the following crimes: domestic violence several times over, assault on a police officer, being the intended target in a murder case, drawing a gun on his own father, driving under the influence, all of which can be found here
You want to purge a locker room of a leader like Thomas Jones, and then add in my opinion the walking epitome of a despicable human being, to work with a young team of budding stars.... I don't care if he comes gift wrapped with a bow attached to his head, there are cases of people who have made a mistake and can be rehabilitated, like the Braylon Edwards incident, and to some degree the Antonio Cromartie, even though the only mistake he made was not paying his child maintenance. Then there are cases where the guy is just past the stage of rehabilitation, and that's what we have here.
No thanks, pass, let someone else mortgage the house for a character like this. I want nothing to do with Brandon Marshall, and if we get him, I will be absolutely furious with the decision. People were worried about the impact Kerry's attitude would have on the team....this is on a whole other playing field
For once Mike, keep your hands in your pockets, and pass on any deal.
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I’ll reserve judgment until I see the actual trade. If it’s a 40 cent on the dollar trade like Cromartie, I won’t be upset, but my initial inclination like you is to steer clear.
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Like Bassett, though, I’d be very upset with a trade involving a guy like Harris or Cotchery.
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My sentiments are the same as yours regarding Marshall. He’s got the talent. I wouldn’t mind getting him for really cheap, but we don’t really need him so there’s no way I give up Harris or Cotchery. Then again, I don’t see how this would happen if we didn’t give up somebody like that…Hopefully, these internal discussions don’t turn out to be anything more.
I dont want it to happen but Lombardi did call the Cromartie trade.
Hopefully the Seahawks will outbid us.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Mar 14, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
The character concern is a big concern.
If we could get him for a good deal, hell why not? I would not ever send Harris for Marshall though. He is a top 5 mlb in the league.
Also.
He is a cancer. Did anybody see the video of him dogging it last year during practice? It was sickening, and plus we don’t have great depth so it would be concerning if we sent some players for Marshall. But personally, I don’t see this deal going down.
I’m not a religious man, but will be praying my ass off that this deal doesn’t ever get to an advanced stage. I would rather have to wait for success, that ride to it on the back of a wife beater. Keep this scum away from the Jets
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I completely agree with this. Marshall is not the answer. Now if the Broncos are giving him away and would take Calvin Paces contract (and we did get a replacement for Pace) I’d be more open to the idea. I think its absurd to even think about giving away our first rounder for this guy. He is selfish, and we will miss out on a dominating defensive player in a deep draft class.
Last time I checked
cancers are bad, keep Marshall away from Edwards!
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Mar 14, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
Would just like to add that internal discussions = absolutely nothing. I’m sure we have had internal discussions about every player that has become available over the off-season. Still don’t think Mike is stupid enough to do this kind of deal.
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Wow. DW I’m suprised and disappointed in your depiction of this guy. Per the OTL source you cite, there’s definitely another side to the way this guy is being portrayed. You run through a littany of allegations and present them as fact, when in just about every incident the charges were dismissed/dropped. The girl in question tried to hit him up for cash in exchange for droppingthe charges on two different occassions: once for $100k the other for $500k. Even the girls parents were after the deepest pockets, claiming that fault lies with the Broncos and the NFL itself. This girl was clearly a gold-digger and clearly made false accusations on multiple occasions.
As for the supposed gun incident involving his father outside of a bowling alley, no one heard any shots fired and no charges were filed. Brandon claims his father hit him up for cash and he refused and then his father tried to run him down with his car.
Is Marshall an angel? Absolutely not. But nor is he the monster you’re making him out to be. Your description is low, classless, and unfounded. It is highhly unprofessional and not becoming of GGN. It should be recanted.
I will be absolutely furious with the decision. People were worried about the impact Kerry’s attitude would have on the team….this is on a whole other playing field
Kerry Rhodes sucked, and he fought against coaches. Everybody calls this guy a lockerroom cancer, even though there is no evidence that his teammates felt this way, I mean yeah, he went about trying to get his money the wrong way, but oh well. In a vacuum, I’ll take Brandon Marshall in a hot NY second, and then next year there will be a story here about how Brandon Marshall is misunderstood and has changed his whole life for the better. I don’t give up Harris for him, but if we end up with this guy, I will be effing stoked.
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I gotta agree. Even in the OTL piece DW cited, he was suspended for 3 games but BM talks about just working as hard as he can during camp and being the best player he can be for the team. Of all the things said about the guy, being a bad teammate isn’t one of them.
Let me ask you this then
Why did Mike Shanahan want to release him without compensation? No offense, but I’d trust Shanahans views on football players (especially those he coached) over yours.
Thats fine, but using half-truths or out-right lies to portray someone in a negative light is wrong, no matter how much you personally dislike him.
The kind oftalk DW used is better suited in the comments section. And probably shouldn’t be used at all by someone officially recognized as a representative of this site.
John B. posted two discussions on this very topic and I believe he’s of the opinion that blogs shouldn’t be conducted in this fashion.
The word (alleged) was used for a reason.
They are not represented as fact, they are represented as allegations that I believe. Big difference. Also not the MSM, blogging is about opinion, and based on what is known, the accusations, what he admitted in court, then it’s my opinion.
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You used “(alleged)” only in the domestic violence portion of your “opinion.” You report a lot of facts on here as well. How are we supposed to decipher when you’re reporting facts and when you’re giving us opinions? Especially when you’re citing sources like the very credible ESPN OTL to bolster your argument. You only gave us half the story.
Youre not attacking his play or whether he’s a good fit for the team. Youre attacking him as a person, calling him a “scumbag” and a “despicable human being.” You’re crossing a fine line. What you’re doing may be libel/slander. It was very sophmoric, which is not like you at all. You could have gone a million different ways and conveyed the same sentiment without stooping to the level you did. It just sucks man. You’re one of my favorite writers. Don’t turn into BBS from Stampede Blue. You’re way better than that. Take it down or redo it or something.
Alledged was meant to apply to all, which is why there are no periods and it is one flowing sentence. The link is there for you to read what you want, to go away and make your own judgements. This is my opinion, on what I have read, if you don’t agree find, but they are not reported as facts, never said they were facts.
Won’t be re-doing it. Stand by what I said, even is everything turns out to be false, which is doubtful he still admitted to what he did that night, that caused things to get out of hand resulting in a drive by, to me that makes him a scumbag and a despicable human being. You don’t think so, that’s your opinion, this is mine.
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Agree with David.
Not about Brandon Marshall, but he is entitled to his own opinion. Lets stick to football fellas?
He’s entitled to his opinion, yes. But he has an obligation to report that of the allegations have resulted in charges which have been dismissed. Its called responsible journalism.
Crack your talking absolute nonsense, that’s not my job at all, the term allegations mean that, if it didn’t I would of used the word charges. Crack you don’t like my writing, or the fact I can have an opinion, I suggest you stop reading.
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There you go again…
Even if he dumped a bottle of champaigne over somebody’s head, that doesn’t make it ok for that guy to go and do a drive-by. He didn’t CAUSE the drive-by. Some ACTUAL scumbag made the concious decision to commit murder, all on his own. NOT Marshall. Was he an asshole? Yes. But he’s not responsible for the murder that ensued. He’s not the murderer you’re trying to equate him to be.
What you’re doing is over the line.
Where did I say he was a murderer? I said his actions led to the murder of someone, and that he was the target……seems your putting words in my mouth here Crack, and most definitely don’t appreciate that.
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Saying his actions led to the murder of someone connotes that it was his fault that the murder occurred.
TOO FAR.
His actions did lead to the murder, so yes he has to take partial blame for it. That’s is completely different from saying he is a murderer which you implied, which as far as I can see is the only thing that has been too far in this case. No he didn’t murder him, but his actions led to the event. With no Brandon Marshall at that nightclub, there is no incident.
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WHAT???????????
WTF. So most people would murder somebody if they had a drink thrown in their face????
How about if there was no MURDERER in the club that night, nobody would have been murdered?
How do you know that guy wouldn’t found a reason to murder somebody else that night????
You are WAY out of bounds Wyatt.
Crack not even going there with you. This is a certain incident, you can play the what if game all you like. We know that he tipped champaign on a known gangsters head, then continued to argue after the club closed, which resulted in him going away, getting a gun, with the intention of hitting Marshall, only to kill an innocent victim. Could he have found another reason? perhaps, the guy who did it was the guy that you blame obviously. However this isn’t the what if game, this is the cold hard truth, and you might not want to see if, but it’s there. We know that the champaign incident was the start of the trail of events that led to the shooting, that;s that. Aint no going back on that. Everything you just said is all circumstantial, what I said was what was revealed in court…..
You want to think he is innocent go ahead, I’m not going to attack you for it, so don’t come in here and take some shots when I want to go the other way with it buddy, because that;s not going to fly too well.
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You’re the one playing the what if game. You’re saying No Marshall then No Murder. Sorry but you’re dead wrong. Nothing he did warranted the murderer going to get his gun. Marshall’s actions make him an asshole, yes. But to lay any of the blame for murder at his feet is just completely wrong and irresponsible coming from a person in your position.
You’re using the incident and making a false leap in order to demonize him and besmirch his character. Thats my problem with this.
Well I think your wrong, it was said in the trial that his actions led to that incident. It was him being an asshole that caused the problem, he was the target. Going round in circles, but you are playing the what if game, while making accusations at me, not going in circles with you crack. It’s staying up, it’s opinion, you don’t like it…too bad I’m afraid.
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And you know I respect you Crack, which is the only reason why I have toned the article down and deleted some parts of it. If I didn’t, I would of left if it as it was.
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I think that's out of line.
If I am in a bad mood driving, and I beep unnecessarily at a guy in front of me, and he pulls along side me and opens fire, and kills all my passengers, it’s my fault for beeping like a dick? No, this is the 21st century, we are supposed to be a civilization, civilized people that don’t just kill somebody because they were embarrassed at a club.
Some rude bitch threw a drink in my friends face one night, and some dude she was with swung a bottle at his head(and missed), just because he asked her if he could buy her a drink. They were asked to leave. We laughed about it, talked about what a fucken douche the kid was, what a little bitch the girl was, and finished our night. We didn’t leave the club and go murder them. Blaming him for Williams death is asinine. You’ve never done something stupid before? What if you did something stupid and somebody took it to the head and killed your friend over it, don’t you think the guilt would be punishment enough? I’m sure he feels like it’s his fault Williams died, I know I probably would. The guy probably relives that moment every single day, wishing he did it differently, but he was in the middle of it, he lost his friend, his isn’t capable of unplugging emotionally and looking at it logically. Just because a guy does something stupid, it isn’t his fault when some other guy overreacts and murders somebody over it.
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Would he feel guilty because he played a part in it happening? He could easily have not poured his champagne over anyone. Because everybody at one point does something stupid does not remove you from the blame. Nobody is saying it warranted the action or that it was the sole cause, but if you look strictly at the cause and effect, it’s plain to see. You remove that cause, you don’t get that effect with all else being the same.
I know his teammate’s death was huge, I hope he learned from that. I would be more concerned about what looks like a history of physical abuse. I don’t know how comfortable I would be bringing him in with that knowledge. At the same time his skill would be hard to pass on. In the end, it boils down to his cost for me and there really isn’t anybody I would want to trade.
Would he feel guilty because he played a part in it happening? He could easily have not poured his champagne over anyone. Because everybody at one point does something stupid does not remove you from the blame.
That’s what I’m saying, you think he doesn’t realize that his actions lead to his friends death? They did, and he knows it. There is a difference between your actions leading to something, and something being your fault though.
Yes, he poured champagne on Willie Clark and Willie Clark killed Darrent Williams for it. That was the cause, it doesn’t mean it was a good cause that justified Clarks actions, and it doesn’t mean it is Marshalls fault.
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you guys are ridiculous. You being an apologist and defending the guy is even worse that whatever you assume this blog is doing. You don’t know the guy, stop saying ’you’re sure he feels guilty and relives the moment every single day’. You don’t know that, and you don’t know him, so stop defending him as if you did.
Fact of the matter is, you keep on doing stupid things, like that, something is bound to happen. And he keeps on doing them. That’s why he’s not wanted.
So, if you
cut somebody off on the road, they should murder your mother. I mean, an eye for an eye right? Gotcha.
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You don’t know the guy, stop saying ’you’re sure he feels guilty and relives the moment every single day’.
Yeah, it is so unreasonable to think a guy would be sad and feel guilt over his friends murder. How could anybody assume that? Lol. It makes a lot more sense to assume a guy is sad when his friend gets murdered in a drive by, then to assume he isn’t. Sorry tool box.
Anybody who rationalizes Marshall being at fault for the murder for for pouring a drink on somebody is quite frankly, outside their mind.
You talk about I don’t know Marshall or the whole story, but you do? Yeah, i’m sure Marshall just walked up to the dude, no prior history, and for absolutely no reason poured champagne on his head.
The fucked up thing power bar, is sooner or later something bad is going to happen to somebody you know, something you had no control over, but something you feel guilty about nonetheless, so until then, get the fuck off of your high horse.
Again, I threw a donut at some ass holes car one time, so it would have been acceptable for him to murder my friend over it, and I would be at fault if he did? Get the fuck out of here, people aren’t supposed to kill other people, that’s the issue, not Marshall and his champagne.
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I was shocked when I read this headline,
and shocked when I continued on reading the story. Does he have a questionable past? Sure, but, you just dragged him through the mud for no reason. Like CB said, you present charges that were dropped/dismissed as if there were convictions, which there weren’t. I think you are better then this DW.
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hey Jets fans
I’m a chief’s fan and i’ve never posted here. I’ve been anti BM for a long time when his name comes up on arrowhead pride, but after watching the outside the lines clip above, i wouldn’t be against them bringing him in if the chiefs thought he could buy in and be a team player. he was very articulate and looked at himself as the problem as much as his ex, and i thought the facts he was reading off of police reports didn’t jive with what his ex was saying. one of the great things about the chiefs new regime is that they don’t put-up with any BS and they won’t keep any player, no matter how talented, if he isn’t character first. see bernard pollard. and i absolutely love it, but with that being said, i’d still take BM if the chiefs saw a fit there, and i don’t just mean on the field. . anyways, i just wanted to throw my oppinion in there.
P.S. we’re really loving the Thomas Jones signing over in Chief’s land; thanks and i’m sorry you guys lost him
My advice would to draft Jamaal Charles over Jones in fantasy. Jones in my honest opinion will struggle. He has had too many carries and consistently is mediocre running for 0-2 yards then breaking off one when the line creates a huge hole.
the main reason they took him...
is to have him as a productive #2 to Charles. Charles is still the man, and rightfully so, but they want to keep him around 17-20 carries so we needed someone else to be productive and soak up another 10-15 touches
TAKE THIS DOWN JOHN B.
Attacks like this should be left to the readers not he writers. Save DW from himself. We all know he’s better than this. We all have to much respect for this cite and him to let it effect our judgments. Don’t let this be the start of the new way. Don’t stoop for hits.
JOHN B., THE BLOGGER'S ROLE
John B. on whats wrong with blogging:
Lack of fact checking
Although this is sadly becoming extinct in the MSM these days, a real news organization usually has rigorous standards when it comes to what it can print. That’s not the case with blogs. Bloggers don’t have to answer to anybody. They can print whatever they want and face no retribution.
Without the fact checking, will there ever be more people like Woodword and Berstein with the credibility to draw the nation’s attention to a wrong and have people believe it?
What about a real football reason to not want him here?
Edwards and Cotchery will be an excellent 1-2 pairing. Deep threat and sure handed WR. What good does it do having 2 deep threats?
Sorry, but I think Marshall was/is as good as he is because he’s the only horse in a one-horse town. Put him next to Edwards (or Cotchery for that matter) and he just doesn’t look as good.
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Eddie Royal had 980 yards on 91 catches in 2008.
Gaffney had a solid season this year too, something like 50 for 750, not much less then Cotch. There is really nothing about Marshall as a football player people can pick at. You can count on one hand the receivers better then him in the NFL. You are partly right, that Marshalls stats would go down here, but you can say the same thing about any receiver, their numbers are going to go down if they are playing with 2 other very good WR’s and a good receiving TE.
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From a purely football standpoint, I agree with nrmax88. And would add that I think grabbing a guy with Marshall’s ability is a HR. Both Marshall and Edwards are more than just deep threats, they each can work the short and intermediate routes. Having them outside and Cotch and Keller working the slots is the scariest WR core in the league.
Undoubtedly, but don’t you think the cost would most likely be from our defense? I don’t think Sanchez is at a level where if we bring in another top notch guy, he’ll be able to take full advantage, so it would not be worth it to me. Bringing in a Shipley for him to grow with would be more ideal for me.
Sorry, my hands don’t have 31 fingers. http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=WR&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1
Sort by just about any column. Top 5 only for
“Thrown At” (hence my one horse comment),
“Receptions” (better be with top 5 TA),
“Yards After Catch” (but not the more important YAC/Rec, and again, more receptions will always translate to more YAC total),
“TD” (again, at least partially a property of being thrown at so much),
“Dropped Passes” (OK, he is technically tied for 9th, but 4 with 10 and 4 with 9 really makes this 3rd place, and being in the top 5 here is not a good thing),
and “Missed Tackles”.
By my count, 13 of their categories really mean anything. Top 5 in 5 positive and one negative. Sorry, but if a player is top 5, he ought to be top 5 in more than half the positive categories. And none of the negative.
Cotchery is still better in my mind.
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New York Times beat reporter Judy Battista, has said tonight that she has been told that the rumours about the Jets and Marshall ‘Have No Legs’
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by David_Wyatt on Mar 14, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are crazy - Marshall's an absolute stud WR
The fact is, Marshall couldn’t stand being in Denver because the Broncos management screwed him over. He’s EASILY one of the 4-5 premier #1 WRs in the league, and he was being paid like a 2nd receiver. Look at the numbers the guy puts up. They are inhumanly great, and he did it without a QB who could throw deep this year. You don’t get 20 catches in a game by accident, when every defender on the field knows the ball is coming your way.
If we can get him in a way that wont hurt us at all why not hes a proven top 5 WR In the league. But I see how you guys think bringing him in with edwards might not be good for the team or locker room. But if we get him with a good deal its so worth it still dont think we should give up Jco or Harris for him not worth it I would like to see the deal if there even is one before I say anything about it.
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