Jetting Around With The Scouts
by David_Wyatt on Mar 10, 2010 12:55 PM EST
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I wasn't going to give this it's own post, but in the end It got me thinking of which players we may be looking at. Our scouts will do the rounds to a lot of pro days, but while we have confirmation of attendance at certain ones, we may as well speculate as to who some of the players are that we may of been there to see:
Western Michigan
Tim Hiller (QB)- Only player that really comes to mind with Western Michigan.
Austin Prichard (ILB)- Potentially a good UDFA to pick up post draft.
Indiana
Rodger Saffold (OT)- 6-5 305lb, people have been saying we need to look at OL help late on
Matt Mayberry (ILB)- Honorable mention All Big 10.
Jammie Kirlew (DE)- Round 6-7 type prospect, very intelligent, good game reader
Greg Middleton (DE)- Nice physical skill set, is his heart in football?
Nick Polk (FS)- 2 interceptions, 4 passes broken up in 2009, tough character. 4th-5th round?
Auburn
Ben Tate (RB)- A lot of people like him around here, tough back
Walter McFadden (CB)- Potential later round steal, held his own in a tough SEC division
Jake Ricks (DT)- 6-2 292lb's, could move outside, another potential UDFA
Antonio Coleman (DE)- at 6-2 255, he would be an OLB, 5th-7th round, 10 sacks 16.5 TFL...size worries
UC
Mardy Gilyard (WR)- He's a dangerous player with the ball in his hands, 2nd round possibly?
Ricardo Matthews (DE)- 2nd team All Big East, 3.5 sacks, 11.5 tackles for loss, nobody talking about him
Alex Daniels (OLB)- 8.5 sacks in 2009, 6-2 268lb's....6th-7th-UDFA type player
Aaron Webster (FS)- 69 tackles, 4 interceptions, possible one to watch
Fordham
John Skelton (QB)- Name seems to be picking up a little steam right now, only player I can think of.
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Also hearing that Rex Ryan himself was down in Alabama today for the pro day!!
Seems a little strange that with Marlin Jackson and Brodney Pool planned for a visit today, the HC himself is down in Alabama.
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Cody? Is he reachable? Are we gonna mortgage the draft for him? At first i was thinking Arenas, but he’s not working out today right?
To be honest all I heard was that he was there, Terrence was working out, not sure who else was.
I think he goes from around 17th-18th- 32, not beyond realms of possibility.
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Yeah you’re right. I thought he was going higher for some reason. Must have seen a bad mock way back when. Ithink he’s projected mid/late first to second round, basically what you said.
There were certain mocks during the season that had him in the top 10, but his weight issues have really been a sticking point, I wouldn’t be completely shocked if he is sitting there at 29.
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Pairing him with Jenks (another huge athletic freak with weight issues) and having him learn some of Jenk’s tricks of the trade has me salivating.
He’s not in my top 3 or 4 prospects that I would like us to spend our first on, but wouldn’t mind it either. I’m sure we are looking at a few other prospects from Alabama as well
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For Example
CB- Kareem Jackson, sure we are looking at him
OG- Mike Johnson, possible 4th round selection
CB- Javier Arenas, another 4th round possibility
S- Justin Woodall….another late round option
K- Leigh Tiffen…could we possibly? lol
Not surprised that Rex chose this one to attend, p0lenty of talent at positions we should be looking for.
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Unless Cody falls to us in round 2 I doubt he is on our radar. That said you still need to your scouting on him. And judging by our lack of picks, I’d assume we wouldnt trade up for him.
David, would you now be opposed to taking McCourty high (29 or trading down a few picks for him)? Cromartie is on the last year of his contract and could never gel like Rhodes. We could use another DB against the Colts and groom him to start next season.
McCourty is a player I have been talking up for well over a month. Don’t think we need to take him with our first, so wouldn’t complain about it, but don’t really want to see it. I think Cro is going to fit in a treat here, and taking a DB later in the draft would be the better option than spending a top pick on one.
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Why did you bash me so much for Cam Thomas selection on the mock draft? Cam is in better condition and I think is a much better prospect. Cody needs to get in better condition to be effective. If its just his size, Jenkins pro day he weighed 316 lbs. Cam Thomas is 15 lbs bigger and isnt a slob like Cody
Your obsession with my opinion of your mock is flattering, but a little creepy. I don’t really remember it all that much to be honest, other than it seemed to focus on adding depth at positions of strength. I really think that going DT with a 1st or 2nd round pick is a horrible idea, unless you see a rare and supreme talent. If Rex thinks Cody is another Jenkins, then im all for it. But if we’re addressing DT with the first pick just to grab the best DT available, i think its a mistake.
I never heard of Cam Thomas. Im sure he’s a nice player but theres no way I would want to draft him in the first or second or even third round (if we had a 3rd). IMO, DT is not an area of need and I didnt see anyone other than Suh and McCoy really worth taking a flier on at that position. Cody could fit the bill though. You say he’s a slob, but I think he’s a freak for a guy his size. And if Rex thinks he can be another Jenkins, then he’s worth it at 29. And if we are taking a DT at 29 it damn well better NOT be Cam Thomas.
Its not really an obsession as you contradicting yourself. You called in laughable, but Terrance Cody is probably a 2nd round prospect and you wouldnt have a problem drafting him? Cody wont be taken in the first round. And my post never said anything about a NT/DT at 29. I think I had McCourty there(pre-Cromartie trade).
It just kind of hurts to see you laugh at me for something like that only to suggest something similar. I don’t want to continue this farther, But I recalled I had traded down to KCs 2nd round choice to take McCourty. Then at 61 was Cam Thomas who is a beast. Seems like he’s in great condition for a DT, has great character and a strong desire to succeed. Then I think I had a safety round 4, TE in round 5(Hartstock wasnt resigned then), OLB 6, and scat back round 7(And with Leon’s status in the air???). I dont think its a laughable mock. In fact.
David, I know you are more in tune with scouting than the rest of us, but if you had to compare Mount Cody to Cam Thomas is there anything that stands out?
Sorry it hurts but thats terrible. And, although i didnt laugh at it the first time but just disagreed with it, im laughing now that you actually reposted that crap. I have no idea what you mean by me contradicting myself. AGAIN, i don’t like going DT, but if Rex thinks Cody can be another Jenkins then im all for it. I vaguely remember my response to it now. And I think i told you i had no problem with the McCourty pick but didnt like trading out of the first round and then drafting at positions we don’t need. Which i still maintain.
If Rex likes him my dream of having 2-monster DTs may come true.
So if Rex likes Thomas over Cody you are going to laugh at him too? You just said you’d love 2 DTs. But like a typical NY metro fan you need the guy who went to the big school, who’s team won a championship, but also has some concerns and is no later a consensus #1 pick. And you laugh at Cam Thomas. How many NC games have you seen? ZERO.
As I said before, Jenkins weighed in a 316lbs at his combine. Most players tend to add muscle to their frame. Cody needs to drop about 25 lbs of fat.
More impressively, you hate that I take a safety? Whats wrong? Happy with Eric Smith starting? Happy with him or a serviceable free agent with concussions? Not me.
Oh and the TE. You didn’t watch any Pitt games? You too want Ross over Revis back in the day? You content with at the time 1 TE (Keller) on the roster? Oh yeah. You wanted to trade him to the Ravens didnt you? Leaving NO ONE.
Oh and the scat back. The kid who went to Clemson and decided to adopt his brother. Guess he has bad character.
You make too much out of players hype out of big schools. And how is trading from #29 to #36 that much of a deal. Odrick may be gone. Graham certainly will be and many think Hughes will be too.
I’m not sure what it is about you jets47, but I don’t think I have ever seen you contribute to a thread that has not turned into a straight up battle, that has the potential to get personal. Maybe you like confrontation, maybe it’s intentional, maybe it’s not, but it’s pretty interesting never the less.
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I dont tend to give the +1’s to things I agree on. I’m not a fan. If I didn’t agree with a lot you are saying I wouldn’t be visiting the site. So thumbs up I guess for your hard work. (still hate +1s) I may not agree with everything but I enjoy reading some articles.
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lol. I think they are a waste of time. What could be cool is adding a “Like” Button like facebook has. So under your post would be like jets47 likes this.
That has actually come up before, it’s basically what the ‘rec’ feature is for. If you like it you click it to recommend it. We are trying to get people to use these a little more.
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by David_Wyatt on Mar 10, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I thought you might be one of those people who just disagree to get in there and ruffle some feathers lol
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Why would i get excited over Thomas, who couldnt even dominate in the ACC? Cody at least was pretty dominant in twhat is widely regarded as he best conference in college football. And yes, i would laugh at Rex too if he forced Mike to take Thomas in the 2nd round. Thats idiotic.
I don’t necessarily NEED a guy to be from a nig school, im high on Joaiq Bell and he’s from Div II. But i do give more credence to guys who have dominated more elite competition.
What Jenkins weighed at his combine is completely irrelevant.
Yes, selecting a safety (at the time when we had Rhodes) is idiotic.
Selecting a TE is also idiotic when we had Keller and Hardstock (whose a Jet until he sign elsewhere).
And waiting all the way to the end of the draft to go with an OLB/RB with all the talent that could have been gotten at those positions earlier, while selecting the players and positions you did, is also idiotic.
You don’t trade away a chance at getting Odrick, Graham, or Hughes bc they might not be there. You know why? Because they MIGHT be there!!!!!
Even though we reported it a few days and people were not sure, the Jets officially announced around 4-5 hours ago that Ben Hartsock was back with the Jets on a two year deal, so it was what we said it was, only difference is that it has now been confirmed officially. Tight end is unneeded now.
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I know. I was more refelcting my thinking at the time when he posted his mock originally. Even though a guy is a FA, he’s still with the team until he signs elsewhere. And more importantly, you don’t waste a draft pick on a back-up TE. Maybe if your starter is aging and you want to take a flier on a guy whose got talent but other issues damaged his draft status its not a bad idea. But for us to waste a pick when we have Keller is a bad idea in my book.
Absolutely, especially when you can pick up TE’s all over the spot. I like that we have one catching TE and one blocking TE, who can catch if you need him to. If there is a decent TE as an UDFA, then bring him in, see what he has, just like we did last year, no problem with that.
One thing I think people sometimes forget, is that just because he only have 6 picks in this draft, it doesn’t mean we are coming away with 6 players, we could come away with 10-15 guys, especially this year when players who would be drafted any other year fall off into UDFA.
It’s my humble opinion that in a draft this deep with so much talent expected in the UDFA, you draft the talent/need with your picks, then pick up depth with your UDFA.
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You really think I would trade down to 36 before the draft actually started. I gave you too much credit, assuming the casual fan would know that. And I disagree that until Leon leaves, I dont see RB has this huge need. We will agree to disagree. Also the OLB I had us taking as a dominate DII guy who I think could develop into something special. Hindsight is 20/20 and I’d probably go Odrick/Hughes/Graham now that the corner has been addressed. No one on this site predicted we’d get Cro for a future 3rd rounder.
And the Jenkins weight was to show you that combine weight ins are not what these guys will play at. Cody reminds me a lot of of Sam Adams, another slob. Cody needs to lose even more weight. There is a good 350lbs nose like Jenkins and a bad 350 lbs. Cam Thomas probably can add a little bit more to his frame. Agree to disagree, however I still find it ironic you for a guy in a position “that isn’t a need.”
And selecting a safety was insurance. I think many felt Rhodes would be traded. Just like many thought Lito was gone. And Hartstock wasn’t announced until late last week. My post was like a week and a half ago. [Foot in mouth] A UFA is not consigned a Jet. Did you consider Wallace Wright a Jet until 4 days ago?
I think I want Ben Tate as much as Crackback wants Toby Gerhart
To be honest I have no doubt that Gerhart will be a very good, potentially great pro, but I think Tate is the real RB steal of the draft. I’d be really happy with either of them though.
John Skelton
I remember reading something about him that made me think “NOOOOO no no no no no” about him, but I seriously cannot remember for the life of me where it was or why it made me think that. Really strange ._.
Umm nothing coming to mind, apart from maybe him playing at Fordham., Got good size, good skills, don’t think he has been in able trouble with the law or anything like that. He is a pretty interesting prospect actually. Will be interesting to follow him where he goes.
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I like Mardy Gilyard.
I just think he is going to turn out to be a player. As for Cody, I have seen mocks that have him anywhere from the first to the fourth round.
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Why not have an interview with one of the Jets scouts sometime, ask him what the process is like, what he looks for, how the Jets organize their scouting efforts, stuff like that. If you’d like I could draw up a tentative question list for you.
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by Rabbit T on Mar 11, 2010 3:59 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
The questions wouldn’t be the problem Rabbit, there are certain ways you have to go about these things, and right now, they are a little busy, believe that we are working on all things like this behind the scenes, but it takes a lot of time, a lot of effort and a lot of patience
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by David_Wyatt on Mar 11, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
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