Thomas Jones: Stay or Go?
There doesn't seem to be much of a debate on the surface. A year after leading the AFC in rushing, Jones put up his first career 1,400 yard year. Things aren't quite that simple, though. Thomas has a $3 million roster bonus due. He is at an age, 31, where backs usually decline sharply. Beyond that, the Jets have a successor in place. Shonn Greene experienced a coming out party in the Playoffs. He looks like a star in the making. Greene has more speed than TJ and is more apt to break tackles. Leon Washington should be back and is also a more dangerous runner. If all things are equal, Jones might break camp as the number three back.
Thomas is entering the final year of his contract. He made it clear a year ago he wants a new deal. Given the bad track record of backs in their 30's aging, that's probably not going to happen. Jones didn't hold out in 2009. Will he and agent Drew Rosenhaus be as patient in the final year of a deal? The Jets in theory might find a taker for Jones in a trade. Maybe there's a team out there looking for a short term stopgap at back. Still, Jones would probably request a new contract. Is any team going to invest too much long term in a guy who will be 32 when the season starts? The return would be minimal, a mid to late round pick. Remember, Eric Mangini isn't calling the shots in Cleveland anymore. Mike Holmgren is. Forget about landing Josh Cribbs or Shaun Rogers.
There are some compelling reasons for hanging onto TJ. For starters, he has shown no sign of slowing down despite his age. With three backs in the fold, the Jets could limit his carries and keep him productive. Keeping three isn't a terrible idea. Greene has a punishing running style. It might be worth keeping his carries down early in the year to keep him fresh for December and January. Washington's 2009 injury showed the value of backfield depth. The Jets had a quality back in Greene to bring into the rotation after a catastrophic injury.
Ultimately, though, I'm inclined to think Jones is going to make too much money for the third best back on a roster. The possibility of a contract standoff is too much of an unnecessary risk of distraction. The fact we're even having this discussion shows how brutal the business side of football can be. Jones has been nothing but a positive force on the field and in the locker room. If it was based on merit, he's right. He's earned a new contract. It's just investing too heavily in an aging running back makes no sense, particularly with a pair of productive backs on the roster. Running back might be the easiest position to fill in the league. Guys literally come out of nowhere every year as either late Draft picks or scrap heap signings. The Jets can find a third guy behind Greene and Washington for cheap.
I reluctantly vote to move on.
How do you vote?
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I think he will stay
…at least for this year. He might not like it but nobody’s going to sign him to a long-term contract at his age, especially after his playoff performance, so he might as well stay a Jet for another year and try to get as much money out of them as he can. And from the Jets’ perspective, I think as a veteran leader and a prominent figure to our fanbase he is way too valuable to let go, even if he’ll only be a third-stringer.
I think he should be around for another year, Greene has had a few injuries this year and has not taken on a full year as a feature back, Leon coming off surgery, we have no idea how he is going to do. TJ wore down sure, but he had a stupid amount of carries, we need the security and he can still do some damage. I really think it makes logical sense to bring him back with our alternatives being a untested 2nd year guy who has had some nagging injuries, and a player coming off major season ending surgery.
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I second and intensify this
Without Jones and Cotchery, we would never have been in the playoffs.
The defense can’t put up all the points on its own.
Jones had the best season in his career – 1,400 yards – and somebody says he’s the THIRD best of himself, Washington, and Greene? Greene is a hard runner, but he has injury issues – and have you forgotten his fumbles? I hope they were just rookie jitters and are gone forever, but you can’t be sure.
Washington is versatile and talented, but coming off a huge injury – is either one of them, or both together, going to provide a 1,400 yard rushing attack? Nyet – which in the best case is Russian for “not yet.”
Give him a 2-year contract.
I would vote "Yes"
but I feel like it’s a conditional yes… if we can bring him back at the right price, and without a long-term deal, then yes. I agree, he’s going to be a third-option back, maybe not at the onset of this coming season, but soon. Very soon. Not necessarily because he’s a bad back, or he can’t handle it, but because we have better, younger options.
I mean, hell, who WOULDN’T want TJ as your THIRD STRINGER??? That’s a deep, deep backfield. But like you said, he’s 31, and even LT is wearing down now that he’s hitting around 30 years old, and he was better at his prime than TJ ever was.
So, Yes, but only under a circumstance where we could bring him back cheaper. Maybe releasing him outright, and offering him a 2-year, incentive-laden contract? That’s just the baseball side of be talking. I don’t really know much about how the NFL works with contracts— seems WAY more complicated than the MLB or NBA.
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as long as we are willing to pay the extra money, i say keep him. i dont think we would be able to get much in a trade for him. with the uncapped year keeping his salary has no impact on the team, only woody johnsons wallet. the man had 1400 yards last season. he must have something left that can be helpful to the team. last time i checked depth at running back was a huge luxury.
Not confident that Greene can hold up for an entire season; and although Leon might be cleared to play, we just don’t know what we’re going to get from him. Unless we can grab another quality big back to share the load with Greene, I think you have to bring TJ back. Plus you need a back you can trust to block in the passing game. TJ for one more makes the most sense. He earned the bonus coming, and I think his leadership has considerable value for another year.
Whats the story with Greene btw? Im a little annoyed at his softness. The rib he hurt apparently wasn’t broken. If it wasn’t broken, he should’ve returned to the game, especially a game of that magnitude. A fracture is somewhat excusable (albeit lame), but there hasnt been statement that im aware of that says his rib was fractured. Anything less than that is just not severe enough to be unable to return. Take that and the ankle sprain that it took him weeks and weeks to recover from during the season and you have to question this guy’s toughness. Jets might want to take a flyer on a back in the late late rounds just in case.
Have you ever hurt your ribs?
Broken or not, doesn’t really matter. When you have trouble breathing after a shot to the ribs, you stay out. Bringing him back in wouldn’t have helped, you can’t protect your ribs, it would have probably led to him injuring himself worse or fumbling the ball because he took a shot in his already hurt ribs. There are some injuries you can fight through, rib injuries that alter your ability to breathe, not so much.
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I frequently agree with you and what you have to say,
probably more then anybody else at GGN, but this…
A fracture is somewhat excusable (albeit lame),is just totally wrong. Bruised ribs are bad enough, but to say it would be lame to leave a game with broken ribs is just asinine. I can’t imagine a harder injury (besides like a fractured leg) for a running back to try to come back from in the same game.
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Ugh, came at wrong.
The way my post is it looks like I’m saying I’m the only one at GGN that ever agrees with you. I’m really trying to say I respect your opinion, and I agree with you more then I agree with most of the other contributors of GGN (although I respect all of your opinions), although I just can’t go along with you on this one. If it were a shoulder, ankle, hand, I would agree, but not bruised ribs.
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If I remember rightly from the game, Greene was told to go to the locker room, he disappeared, and then he came back out, shoved his helmet on like he was ready to go in and then Rex was talking to him and he sat back down. So regardless of whether you think he should or should not of been playing with the injury, I really don’t think it was his call, it looked to be like he would of been back in there if it was. From his time at Iowa, it takes a fair bit to keep this guy down and out of action, tough as nails.
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I usually agree with 99% of what both of you guys have to say.
And when I don’t agree, i still think you guys make very valid points.
But i respectfully disagree here. Im not saying Greene is soft (yet). But there are red flags.
I’ve played running back, and have had bruised ribs. Im not a tough guy, thats not the point im trying to make. Bruised ribs hurt like hell. You feel it every time you inhale. Ive also known other guys to play with bruised ribs. Its painful, but shouldn’t be something that keeps you off the field. Even a fracture shouldnt keep a guy off the field in a game of that magnitude. I seriously doubt that without the risk of puncturing a lung that the doctors would have kept Greene out if he really wanted in. Im guessing he really didnt want in. And that worries me. The team is clearly covering for guy. A guy of his size who plays with his style should be able to play with bruises, even bruised ribs.
Its basically a moot point bc theres no way we were beating Manning that day. But Im not comfortable that Shonn can be counted on just yet. I know Curtis and TJ wouldnt be stopped by bruised ribs. What does that say?
I don't know, there are all types of bruised ribs.
I never actually played football, but I have played hockey, after taking a puck in my ribs one game I just couldn’t finish. It wasn’t even that I was in too much pain to play, that was part of it, it was the sharp pain in every breath, and also just the fact that I couldn’t play how I normally would have wanted to because to be good you have to be free and I knew I couldn’t do that, because anytime contact was coming close I would protect that spot and I couldn’t be effective. I have played with minor concussions, a broken right foot, a totally fucked up hip (honestly not sure what the injury would be called, because I never got medical attention, but if anybody watches Friday Night Lights recently it’s the same type of black and blue type hip injury the kid gets).
Like you said, I’m not tying to say I’m a tough guy either, but I was always able to play through most injuries, but not the one time I took a puck to my ribs. It’s a weird spot, hard to protect, and very, very easy to hit. Especially when the entire defense would know you just bruised your ribs and are going to stick their helmet there every time. I just don’t see the upside of him playing there, either he is going to favor that side and not be effective, try to run normally and eventually take a shot that is going to injure him worse or probably knock the ball out.
Maybe you are right, and it wasn’t that severe, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, only because I have hurt my ribs to the point where I couldn’t be productive playing a contact sport because of it.
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- CRASH DAVIS
I would not call Shonn Greene soft.
The man delivers alot of punishment but he also recieves alot too. If he had a broken rib id rather have Jones running anyway.
TJ stays
We would have the best three headed monster. and if we can some how develop a passing game (Golden Tate Edwards and J-Cho) we’d be the best offense and the best defense
I used to like the Patriots and Dodgers, then my balls dropped
TJ better stay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The guys a workout stud and one of the toughest RBs in all of the league. ! or 2 more years i hope/ i love warchin him run and pound people. Please come back TJ
Thomas Jones runs this league
Jones is definitely a beast,
but I don’t know that he is one of the tougher backs in the league. I also don’t know that he pounds people, he doesn’t break a whole lot of tackles. At this point he is using experience and vision for most of his running. Let’s face it, he is a guy with below average speed, not the best agility, and he isn’t a power back, and he is on the wrong side of 30. Again, if he is willing to play for a couple of bucks, and get 8-10 carries a game, while Green takes the other 18-20, then fine, I’m cool with that.
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- CRASH DAVIS
are you kidding? you just called him a beast...
A beast does all of those things you just said he didn’t do. He’s one of the roughest toughest rock em; sock runningbacks in the league. his only flaw is his age.
Thomas Jones runs this league
TJ deserves...
a couple more years. Sharing the load with Shonne will keep him lighter on his feet. Hopefully, Leon will come back good as new.
couple more years?
I think one is possibly pushing it.
I love TJ, but look what Shonn Greene was able to do. I think a younger back with fresher legs is the way to go here. Jones was able to use his vision to find holes created, but the rest of his skills are, I don’t want to say deteriorating, but they are definitely starting to decline. I know people get sentimental, I just always felt better a year to soon then a year too late.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
I'm happy either way
Whether we get rid of him while he still has value, or we keep him as part of a 1-2-3 rushing combo I think the team wins either way.
I voted go.
I love TJ, I just feel like it is his time. I know he had the 1400 yards, but really I think that speaks more to the number of carries and to the productivity of our O-Line. I like Jones, always have liked him, good leader and stand up guy, but I just think it’s time for us to move on. He looks slow, he doesn’t have the burst anymore, and he goes down a lot on first contact. I would prefer to let Greene start, use Leon as we always have, and draft a RB in the late rounds, or pick up an undrafted guy. I just think we need some younger legs. I wouldn’t be opposed to having Jones back, as long as the salary is reasonable, and I really want Shonn Greene to be the Jets feature back next season.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
And this might sound strange considering what I just posted,
but I have been wondering about taking a flier on LaDainian Tomlinson if/when he gets cut by the Chargers. In a backup type role. I know he looked like a shell of himself when we played, and his 2009-10 in general was abysmal, and while I do think Tomlinson isn’t close to what he was 3-4 years ago, I think at least part of the blame goes on the terrible run blocking of the offensive line in San Diego. Similar to what I said with Jones, I would be interested in LT if he becomes available and is willing to take a small salary/ smaller role to try and win a superbowl. He also brings the pass catching element Jones doesn’t.
Anybody that is totally against this idea, I understand, just spit balling here. Maybe LT is finished, maybe not, but I think it is an interesting idea, especially if TJ decided that he isn’t comfortable with taking a small salary and playing second fiddle to Shonn Greene, because I absolutely think LT would be willing to do that, to try to get a ring at the end of his career. Jones may want to go somewhere where he will be paid like a 1400 yard back, and where he will be able to start, and if that is the case I don’t blame him, because I don’t think we should be paying him like a 1400 yard back, or allowing him to start.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
Isn’t LT’s beef with the Bolts all about his refusal to accept a lesser role? I agree, I’d also like to see Greene be the featured back next season. I know its very unlikely but I’d love to see a guy like marshawn lynch in our system, he would be a nice compliment to Greene. I wouldnt be opposed to cutting TJ loose and grabbing a big back in the late rounds. If we do resign TJ it can only be for one year though. I dont want to be stuck with him when he finally hits the wall.
No. Lol.
LT would have rushed for 1400 yard with out O line and that amount of carries also. He is still faster, shiftier, and more elusive then Thomas Jones is. You put TJ on SD with that offensive line and that style of offense he rushes for 700 yards.
I think LT is easily the better back then Thomas Jones right now, and I understand those who don’t agree, but you have to realize that pretty much any RB in the league that starts could have went for like 1200 yards on the Jets this year. It is the way they were built and their phenomenal offensive line, a lot more then it was Thomas Jones.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS

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