Feely's Agent- Contract Made "No Sense"
by David_Wyatt on Feb 24, 2010 11:36 AM EST
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Thanks to the Jets Blog which is where I saw this first, taken from the Daily News:
Feely still wants to return to the Jets, according to his agent, Glenn Schwartzman. But Schwartzman also said it "made no sense to accept what they offered … We were left with no choice but to test the (free-agent) waters."
It’s unclear if the Jets remain interested in Feely, but it’s hard to imagine them not keeping an open mind. Folk was a train wreck last season, missing a field goal in each of his last six games before being cut two weeks before the playoffs. It was a mysterious meltdown, as Folk was a Pro Bowl kicker in 2007. Both the Jets and Giants worked him out last week.
I'm not surprised to hear this, Mike T is a shrewd businessman, and if he can convince you to take a deal on the cheap then he is going to do it, unfortunately with a combination of the fact that the Raiders just blew the value for kickers wide open and Jay being a man who knows a little something about matters like this, it didn't work. I remember the contracts we were reportedly offering Leon last year, ridiculously low and a slap in the face. You can't blame Mike for trying it, and you can't blame Jay for rejecting it. This is not the first time that our management and a player have been on separate islands when it comes to contract values. Exact figures are not known, perhaps they wanted him at the same deal they got him last year, and after a successful season he thought he was worth more. All we do know is that he was offered a deal that made 'no sense'. I can't see Jay holding the Jets to ransom, because I'm not sure how much leverage is there. One thing is for sure, I hope they can come to an agreement on the numbers because moving into a new season with Nick Folk as the kicker. That doesn't fill me with much confidence at all.
Jay told ESPN yesterday that negotiations were positive, I can't imagine him saying that if a contract had been offered and rejected and the two decided to go their separate ways. I guess he will test the open market and see what other teams are offering, and then compare that to the Jets. I'm hopeful something can still get done but not exactly expecting anything any time soon.
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I hope Feely re-signs.
I’m confident in his agent.
I met Feely and his agent before.
He used to play Soccer.
I think this move was made way too early..
It kinda destroys both negotiating sides.
I would have been fine with the Folk signing if they waited until after Feely is secured. Or even another player being used just to compete with Feely this offseason, but now there’s going to be a signing bonus more than what the Jets want to secure Feely’s pay.
Are the Jets trying to get rid of him?
JP Pelzman wrote that since he is UFA, if he goes, the Jets can acquire another UFA.
It seems like the team thinks he is expendable.
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Interesting..
I’d love to know more about contract details.
by Max Strauss on Feb 24, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
they can acquire another UFA with a similar or equal amount of money to what feely was making last year right? im remember reading something like that, but then how much did he make this year? i cant imagine it was much to go free agent hunting with…
We won’t be picking up much for the salary Jay gets, give me the reliable kicker over just over 1 million to play around with.
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I’d be very surprised if Feely returned, and my attitude is that if you can save money on a kicker and re-purpose it for other needs, you should do so. Anyone who gets hyper-attached to a special teams player doesn’t have their priorities straight. That said, I don’t believe Nick Folk is a good substitute, but I’m hoping the team saw otherwise when they worked him out.
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Hmm..
Maybe in a couple weeks, I can talk to him
…too bad it would be after free agent signing period started…and I doubt he would want to talk to me about it, not really friends with his family, who knows…
Both sides are pissing me of.
If they aren’t going to tell us what the offer was then don’t talk about it!!!! Theyre both trying to make the other side look unreasonable without telling us the offer. Cmon. Cough it up or zip it up.
Just so you guys realize,
Nick Folk is a good kicker. Like David said, he melted down a little bit at the end of last season, but for the previous 40 games he was money in the bank. Guy is good. The only was you can get a good kicker is if he performs bad and gets cut. It happens to almost every kicker in the league at some point. Doesn’t mean Folk is bad, he is actually very good.
The only way you can ever have a chance to get a kicker is if he gets cut coming off a bad stretch, or if a guy who was previously mediocre ends up on a team and becomes consistent, like what happened with Feely coming to us in the first place. I grew very fond of Feely this year, but still, I like Folk also, and while I’d rather see Jay back, I have all the confidence in the world in Folk.
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The only difference being that Folk has hip surgery before the 2009 season, that’s major surgery for a kicker, and is it any surprise that post surgery he looked nothing like the kicker he was? it’s too much of a risk for my money, stay with the reliable kicker, unnecessary risk.
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I don't know.
He was 14-17 to start the year. Look David, I totally respect your opinion on the Jets, it is why I have made GGN my default Jets information source, but I just don’t like seeing you and some of the others kill Folk here. I understand you like Feely better, I would prefer Feely also, I get it, he is our guy already, he is hard nosed, he hits people on kickoffs, he was Mr. Automatic more or less all year, I just don’t like unfairly taking away from another player to make our player look better. It was the same reasons I got annoyed during all the DPOY drama where Woodson was getting smashed here because people were mad at voters.
Feely is my guy to. I just want it to be known that Folk isn’t some scrub, yeah, for whatever reason he choked big time down the stretch in Dallas this year, but if you bring that up, it is also fair to mention he was an 83% kicker for his career before that 4-11 stretch, not that he is just some guy who always stunk.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
at this point, im all for them battling it out in camp. i just hope they bring feely back in order to do that. i dont have confidence in folk purely because he went downhill after that 14-17 stretch. sure, he did good prior, but until he shows he’s overcome whatever problems he may have had, he’s questionable at best in my eyes (especially not knowing what, if any, underlying reasons there were that caused him to kick so poorly). granted the move to sign folk makes sense business-wise, im just not much of a businessman i guess. if we end up with folk though, here’s hoping he’s overcome whatever issues he may have had and returns to form.
By that logic
We should go get Jake Delhomme to back up Sanchez… After all, he was a good QB that simply hit a stretch of INTs in a playoff game in 2008 – yet somehow, he NEVER RECOVERED and lost his job to his backup after getting injured against the Jets.
Its obvious that any kicker in the NFL has the physical gifts to hit a 50 yarder and is automatic from 30 yards out. The reason they dont hit the 50s and occasionally miss from 30 is that kicking is pretty mental – a lot like golf. So if this guy has a lack of confidence in a game-breaking moment, he will kick about as well as me, which is terrible. Just look at the kickers against the Jets during the first 2 playoff games – 0 for 6 or something like that?
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Yes.
Feely was 1/3 in the AFC championship game, which also can raise as many questions, because if he made those, that’s one score, and a more manageable situation at the end of the game against the Colts. Nothing against Feely, I hope he remains the Jets kicker.
I don’t know if you can compare kicker to any other position.
Yes, kickers are mental, but it’s not like you’re fighting for yards, such as everything that impacts a QB’s decisions.
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by Max Strauss on Feb 25, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it is called a fluke.
No, it must have been the Jets mind game Jedi tricks that made Nate Kaeding and Shayne Graham choke it up. And yeah, why wouldn’t Jake Delhomme make a good backup? Anyway, I am not sure why I even bothered to respond. By your response you are implying that kickers are in the same mold as QB’s, and their jobs are similar, which is absolutely ridiculous. You aren’t even comparing apples and oranges. You are comparing apples and zucchini.
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his point was more about the mentality and confidence issue than the comparison you’re talking about.
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by Max Strauss on Feb 25, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
This HAS to be a bluff
The Jets are posturing by bringing in another kicker because they were evidently aware of Feely’s contract demands, and are hoping he’ll cave. Tannenbaum knows this game as well as anyone and wants good players on the cheap. Will Feely go to a crap team for a couple extra bucks? Tanny’s betting he won’t, and outside of Dallas (Suisham) most good teams are set at placekicker. Just remember how many times you’ve seen kickers who’ve lost their confidence implode and never recover, which is why I say if Tanny lets go of Feely and we’re stuck with damaged goods in a year we expect to make a title run, he’s out of his Folkin’ mind…
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