Could Jets Bite on Asomugha? Unlikely
by David_Wyatt on Feb 23, 2010 4:48 PM EST
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I think we touched on this a while ago, and basically just swatted it away as a nice idea but too unrealistic to really consider. Well the ESPN AFC East Blog, asked this question tonight amid reports by Adam Schefter that the Oakland Raiders were shopping their shut down corner:
But the Jets can make all the trades they want.
If Asomugha really wants to play with Revis and experience life under defensive savant Ryan -- and get out of Oakland while he's at it -- perhaps he'd be willing to restructure his deal to play for a team that's trying to, you know, win.
The possibility of Asomugha still seems remote because of his contract, but the fact the Raiders are dangling him around the league makes you wonder how nauseous AFC East quarterbacks will get at the mere thought of him and Revis in green and white together.
We should probably just start by saying that this is a long shot, it's unlikely to ever come to anything, but why not discuss it anyway. First and foremost we need to concentrate on getting our own shutdown corner locked up before negotiating the contract of another. There is no immediate rush, but it has to be considered. I'm not even sure taking on that contract is a possibility.
Last year he signed a 3 year $45.3 million contract, $28.6 million in the first two years are guaranteed. That is a lot of money and an epic victory for whoever Asomugha's agent is. On top of his contract you have to consider what we would need to give up to get him, a couple of first round picks+ possibly. Then would he renogotiate a contract that is set to pay him as much.
The thought of having Asomugha and Revis on the same team would make any fan giddy, regardless of QB completion % against him last year, he is the epitome of shut-down, teams just don't throw at him, with Revis on the other side, it would make passing on the Jets near impossible. However it's just not that plausible. Impossible? not really, but improbable? absolutely.
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this is extremely unlikely but i guess its ok to discuss. our defense would be unfair. i would gladly give up this years and next years 1st round picks because having a pass offense this good would mean we would give up the 29th pick this year and 32nd pick next year. if they want a up and rising star like greene or harris in addition to a pick then i say dont do it. two 1st rounders might seem like a lot but would those draft picks ever equal up to a player like asomugha? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I totally agree with everything you just said.
by revis_island on Feb 24, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure if you’re implying that whoever they take 29th this year would be better than Nnamdi. I hate to beat a dead horse but uh… Gholston. If you are implying it, that’s kind of crazy. If not, I’m sorry.
Either way, I say you take the proven talent if you can. This year a lot of people have them taking a CB first round anyway, so when you think about it, it would be like trading a player and a pick from the Jets point of view. I love the idea of them giving up this year and next year’s first round pick. I just hope Mike T and Al Davis do too.
by revis_island on Feb 24, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I was saying the time, the Raiders made a smart move was when he was 31st.
So there is talent there deep in any draft.
But are two firsts enough? I don’t know. I doubt it. I bet it takes more.
Fair enough. You’re right that it might not be enough but if it is then I’m all for it.
by revis_island on Feb 24, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea because Al Davis does not think like a mentally stable person, and I do. Maybe if they can guarantee that the future picks will be really really really fast he’ll take it.
by revis_island on Feb 24, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
haha. He thinks he’s mentally stable.
I don’t know.
I wouldn’t mind giving up.
This year’s 1st round.
Gholston, Clemens, Clowney, Lowery,
Next year’s 4th, conditional, to become a third.
side note, I really don't want to give up Clowney, I like him a lot, I met him once, so, I guess when you meet players, and then they end up on your favorite team, you don't want them gone, I did meet him before the draft though
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I would love to unload Gholston and I guess I don’t really have a problem with them getting rid of the others too. I would be fine with them doing exactly what you just said. Gholston is an expensive bust, Clemens looks confused whenever he plays, Clowney I could live without, and Lowery looks pretty good in his current role but I would much rather have Nnamdi. As for the draft picks, I’d love if they could make a deal for him and only lose 1 first rounder.
by revis_island on Feb 24, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, life is tough in the NFL..
to people who call Gholston a bust, he is for now,
I’m serious, I don’t want him in the AFC east. especially in a Dolphins uniform. Nolan unleashed Dumervil, think about Gholston.
And on the bust note, Cedric Benson while running back in Chicago was the 4th pick, and now, as a Bengal he just had a phenomenal year, with a great 169 yard game to end the season…
Busts usually need a change of environment.
After all Braylon started getting bust talks last year, even though he did have an impressive outing, and now, as a Jet it kinda quiets down media until play-time.
but, if he becomes a Raider, I can live with that.
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I agree that the perception of him can change with time but I don’t think it will be with the Jets if it happens. It’s kind of like Heilman and the Mets.
by revis_island on Feb 24, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Benson had close to two 700 yard rushing seasons with the Bears and had 10 TD’s over his final two seasons. Elvis Dumervil had 8.5 and 12.5 sack seasons before Mike Nolan ever got there. Braylon had a near 1,300 season and his disappointing 08 was a 873 yard season. The point being there are disappointments and there are busts. All the players you mentioned were talked about as disappointments, not busts. Gholston has 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, and 30 tackles in two years. The players are not even comparable, the other guys had done something, they had at least showed they could play. Gholston hasn’t done that, he is 50 levels below where either Benson/Dumervil or Braylon ever were.
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Dewayne Robertson: bust or disappointment?
I consider a bust.
But I don’t know, now.
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Disappointment, he wasn’t as terrible as people made him out to be, wasn’t anywhere as good as we expected, constantly with around 3-4 sacks a season with the Jets. Obviously we expected a lot more with the hype surrounding him, but would say he was a big disappointment.
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so after two seasons,
Gholston is secured a bust,
I don’t think that.
I still think he’s a disappointment then,
got to draw a line on a gray fuzzy area, it’s tough :/
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He has shown absolutely nothing, he is not definitely a bust, I used the above example to demonstrate that the players you said just needed a change in scenery, actually accomplished something at their original team, where as Gholston two years has accomplished nothing…..which is also why people would take a flyer on those players, and I just can’t see them taking one on Gholston because he doesn’t do anything.
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Some players don’t even get chances to play until the second or third year. I understand he was supposed to have immediate impact, but who knows, this could be his year? Or have you lost hope. To be six pick overall, something will show up somewhere, and I don’t see him retiring if the Jets lose him, some team will pick him up.
LaVar Arrington
Bust? or Disappointment?
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Arrington had 4 sacks in his first season, disappointment, he also went on to have a 11 sack 4 force fumble season. He showed something. Gholston has had playing time and he can’t get off blocks, he shows no passion for the game. Hey if he comes around then great, but no team is giving up anything for him. If we cut him then yes a team will look at hime, but the whole point of this is you think that Vernon has trade value, where as I don’t. No production+Big Contract= No trade value.
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I don't know if he has trade value.
I don’t know if he has value or not. That’s not my choice, I think he does.
The gray fuzzy lines -
I would consider Arrington a bust.
and
Thank you for responding to the messages. I find this actually pretty interesting,
There are so many ways to classify players.
I don’t know how…
There’s a problem with classifying anything in life.
Art Spiegelman is famous for his letter,
“A Problem on Taxonomy”
Even though it was for a book, it’s still tough.
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I don’t understand by what you mean, “no passion for the game”…so he is really in it just because the Jets are paying him.
If you’re in the NFL, you have interest.
That’s not your call and not my call to make though.
I don’t think he’s the player fans thought he would be. He still has years to mature. Sanchez matured early for a QB (supposedly said) and Gholston matures late. Let’s see, this year I believe he has more impact than last, if he’s a Jet.
Would you want him in a Dolphin uniform? I would not.
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I really wouldn’t mind seeing him in a Dolphin uniform because Brick would eat him alive. Agree to disagree, you can see that a player doesn’t have passion, it’s widely considered that he has little interest in football.
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I still won’t want him in a Dolphin uniform, what about if D’Brick is covering Wake..
It’s still not your call, my call, anyone’s call (about his interest) but his own.
If he didn’t have interest, he wouldn’t be at practice, he wouldn’t be playing in the NFL.
Like Butler (Bills Linemen), retiring at 26, because he had other interests.
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If you want to be paid then you go to practise, I can’t say for definite, but from what I have seen, and from what I have heard from people who I trust, he has little passion for the game, he likes working out. Gholston seems like a good guy, he is not causing any problems at all. Personally I can’t understand why anyone would fear seeing Gholston line up on the opposite side of the field. I really hope he comes arounds and proves me and 90% of the Jet fanbase wrong, but I can’t see it, and up until mid 2009, I was a fan of his.
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Okay,
let’s hope he finds motivation.
I’m rooting for anyone who wears the Jets uniform to succeed and help win the game.
Rex Ryan says he and other players do get dirty work sometimes where they have to open up the whole or force something but not really go get the sack.
Let’s see what happens.
So, you’re locked in on bust.
Right now, I suppose it’s disappointing.
I think a bust would mean the Jets release him in the middle of this contract.
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Please make it happen
Please please please please please. Somebody make it happen please.
lol, this is funny, highly lovable, yet, highly unlikely.
If you were the Jets, would you give up a first, second, gholston, rhodes, clemens, lito, leon?
Hmmm…
If it happens, “What’s their nickname? Ryan’s Tenacious Tag Team” lol
I wouldn’t deal multiple first round picks. You have to think if Al Davis is dangling him around that he may regret the contract he handed him. He is owed a lot of money. If the Jets acquired him, we could offer a lot of money this first year without a cap.
One player who we could trade and Al Davis probably loves is Braylon Edwards. If that happens then we seriously need to target Lance Moore.
I’m not suggesting we can get him for Braylon but Edwards and a 1st and I’d consider.
please don’t make this happen spending that much money on 2 cbs is ridiculous. A good pass rush is more important than 2 lockdown corners, a legit pass rusher will make whoever or number 2 cb look much better
Wouldn’t want to take him with his current deal under any circumstances, way too much guaranteed money, not against the idea completely though.
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they're inversely proportionate
meaning..
greater cb makes a better pass rusher.
better pass rusher makes a better cb.
Either way, if we can both gaps on defense, that would be great.
What if all gholston needs, is asomougha…who knows. the raiders front seven isn’t too bad though— (Yes, the run game destroyed them) but, that’s when the team (JETS) have an amazing oline lol.
dont necessarily agree with this. if there’s no pass rush and the qb has all the time in the world to throw, even the best cbs cant cover forever. having a good pass rush forces the qb to get rid of the ball and get rid of it early which directly affects the amount of time and probably the length of field a cb needs to cover.
with that being said, it’d still be pretty awesome to have asomugha pairing with revis. the cost of getting and having him is probably not worth it though.
I don't know, I agree with cost..but somehow, sanchez looked like a great trade.
If we don’t give up on next year’s talent already, I’m all for it.
However, it would be hard to pull this in.
The inversely proportionate bit, I took from an earlier GGN post. :D
disagree
a better pass rush will cover up for a CB so that the CB doesn’t have to keep up with the WR as long. A better CB allows more time for the pass rush to get to the QB.
There’s always a pass rush…it just depends on how long it takes for the rush to get to the QB. A bad pass rush puts pressure on the CB. A bad CB means the rush has to get to the QB faster or else the QB can pass at will.
So...everything is connected in the NFL :D
Oline determines QB potential…
It’s all good, I gotcha, I’m going out on limbs saying some stuff I wouldn’t just because I’m on the fence, and really don’t know which to get a CB or DL.
by Max Strauss on Feb 23, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Broken leg and all
I’d rather keep Washington than Braylon Edwards.
Rhodes Gholston Clemens Edwards I’m all comfortable with.
Thanks for the comment.
Definitely going to need to give up draft picks.
Ryan wants to win now, hence the trade for Braylon, let’s see what he does.
I guess the talk about Asomugha did not end with onceyouareajet’s post.
True the price to pay is really high, but the possible rewards make it a fair deal. If Asomugha was willing to renegotiate his contract then the Jets should go get him, Keep this year’s first rounder thought, try to get enough trade value in other ways. Near impossible though.
Jets green since 1997
rhodes and 2 first round picks
and of course the most important part. NNammdi demanding a trade to NY or he doesnt play
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Im glad to see a top athelete showing so much interest in wanting to play for Rex and the Jets. This is a change of culture for jets fans and I love it. This will continue to sway the balance of power in the AFC while teams like the Pats seem to be chasing players out of town. Wilfork, Moss, Adalius Thomas, (all premimum talent) all seem disgruntled and now want out. The allure of the SB ring seems to have wore off in NE and I dont think they have the type of players coach that can attract big names anymore. Rex IS a players coach and I think thats one of the reasons Namdi want to come here.
I say sign him if he agrees to re-do his contract. There is a chance to see an ALL-TIME GREAT defense next year with him here.
by colinyoung on Feb 23, 2010 10:26 PM EST reply actions
If Nnamdi would restructure...
Who would be willing to give up Revis for Nnamdi plus Oakland’s first round pick?
I like how you went out on a limb. (Major Props :D)
I don’t see that happening.
Revis is 5-6 years younger than Nnamdi and already proving himself to be at or above Nnamdi’s level. The first round pick is not getting the Jets Ndamukong Suh, so I don’t see the impact that new player will have. Even if Haden falls, it’s a risk, I don’t think any Jets fans want to take.
Lets stick with Revis and Nnamdi on the same JETS team :)
by Max Strauss on Feb 23, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I really wouldnt want to lose Revis for anything, but… If playing the “what if” game, i’m curious to see what it would take and what could become of it.
Yeah, I guess there is no need for me to write up a Asomugha article tomorrow.
We’ll just continue it here :)
by Max Strauss on Feb 23, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want to sound mean but I think that’s absolutely crazy. Revis is four years younger than Nnamdi, which is a huge deal already. And you just can’t give up your best player on the team to get a downgrade in the same position and a first round pick that might be another Gholston for all we know. I don’t think Mike T would ever be willing to do that, thankfully.
by revis_island on Feb 24, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Why not? We’d gain a high first rounder for little drop off in talent. Then we can either trade the high first rounder for another top-notch player (e.g. Marshall or another top corner) and a second rounder (which could solve the corner problem and leave us with a late first round pick and 2nd round picks). Or just use the pick. Or try to trade up for Suh or Berry.
I can't see Raiders giving up an 8th pick or even swapping 1st round picks.
I wouldn’t do that. then again, if I were the raiders, I would want a lot out of the Jets…if I couldn’t get Revis.
1st, Gholston, Clowney, Clemens, Lito, Lowery, next year 2nd or 3rd round pick.
I would say that’s the security Al Davis wants.
Can we just call the Raiders, "Al Davis" or is that not allowed?
by Max Strauss on Feb 23, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Way too much garbage in that equation. We would have to separate with some value to get Nnamdi.
I’d do Rhodes plus a 2nd. Even would throw in Clowney. Maybe I’d do Keller plus a 2nd.
They prob want a rising corner and a corner.
Got to add Lito and Lowery,
Gholston might be handy in a Bronco trade or in this trade.
by Max Strauss on Feb 23, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
and, They don’t even need a TE…
anyways, I got to go,
post some ideas..
I could see them wanting that much, so at least they could have like two stars out of it plus a first round pick and maybe next year’s second.
by Max Strauss on Feb 23, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s way too much to give up for him. If Davis was going to require that for Nnamdi, I say just draft a CB in the first round.
by revis_island on Feb 24, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
CB named...
Devin McCourty is one of my top prospects..but..
In all reality, I don’t know.
I think a legit trade would be.
To the Raiders…
This years first round, Gholston, Clemens, Clowney, Lowery.
To the Jets….
Nnamdi Asomugha, this year’s fourth, next year’s fourth
Could this happen?
Please fix. :D
See..the flaw...
Revis represents New York.
He has a rap song out, and he calls himself Mr. Manhattan.
The drop-off in years is scary.. 6 years.
It’s more like a short term thing.. Can’t see it happening.
Revis loves NY . NYJ fans love revis.
Man... would you pull a Mike Ditka?
Just stick with me here for a moment: if they would do it, would you trade the whole draft for Asomugha?
Personally I think it would probably work out pretty good. It’s not like our pass rush is that horrendous, and it would look even better. We’d miss out on adding offensive talent, but tbh we’re only missing a slot receiver and who knows, maybe that guy is already on the roster or could be found in free agency.
haha..Ditka. as Al Davis (if there is a difference)
I wouldn’t give up that much for Asomugha, he is 30…
If I were the " Al Davis’ " Al Davis, I would want.
This year’s 1st, Next year’s 3rd.
Vernon Gholston, Clemens, Sheppard, and Lowery/Clowney
=not as Al Davis=
==Isn’t it weird – one of the Raiders best draft picks this past decade, was 31st overall, and the year after they did well..somehow…Those Al Davis’s can’t succeed in top 10, the speed…issues, maybe a 29th pick could do them so good…
I don’t really understand any logic in Al taking back that Vernon Gholston contract and taking on the $10 mill bonus in Sheppard, some of his moves are questionable, but I don’t think even he is senile enough to do that.
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by David_Wyatt on Feb 24, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't give up the whole draft.
We almost got to the Super Bowl without Nnamdi, right? We just need healthy corners.
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Could it be...
The Jets didn’t play Lito because in the trade he needed to play less than 40% of defensive snaps or else the draft pick would go up.
I haven’t heard this anywhere, but I know Lito played 39% of snaps this year…so it is brought to my thinking. I don’t know, if there were conditions and such..
Any ideas?
It was mentioned earlier, but not so sure we would purposely not play him for that.
I just have the same question, why would Al take on Gholston and that contract, a 3rd wide receiver at best (a year after drafting two early in Murphy and Heyward-Bey), a nickel corner in Lowery. I think the deal would have to be significantly better for it to be the best on the table. I think two first round picks alone would be better than asking them to take on the large contract of a bust like Gholston.
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Hmmm.
Could Al want multiple picks?
Like this year’s first and fourth.
Next year’s second and fourth.
and Gholston and Lowery.
Bottom line I think is that Vernon Ghoslton has no trade value, because he has done nothing in two years, and has a hefty contract that is still set to pay him a fair bit of $$$, I don’t think we will see Vern in any type of deal.
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I think he's equivalent to a 4th or 5th.
I don’t know.
…What do you think?
Just to throw it out here: What if he goes to Denver and learns the ways of Dumervil? I would not want to see Gholston in a Dolphins jersey — with Mike Nolan (who led Dumervil to an impressive 2009 season).
Gholston is a black hole. Why would anybody trade a 4th founder for a guy with a top 10 contract wh has had no sacks in 2 yrs, one of which is on the best D in the league?
None of those players (Gholston , Lowery, Clowney) really have any value. They don’t really sweeten the pot. It would help the Jets unload garbage, but the other teams arent blind to that.
Benson = bust --> Looks great for Cincinatti.
I feel Lowery has more value than Sheppard.
Lowery is still on a contract.
I know Gholston doesn’t have much value, if any, but I know there are definitely a pick possible for him.
I would not want in him a dolphins uniform.
I don’t know if you give up on a talent like that though.
Benson looked like a bust, and he became a phenom in Cincinatti. He was the fourth pick in 2005. I don’t know though. A change of environment can do wonders for players. They might be good. They might be bad.
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