Jets Will Tender Brad and Eric Smith
by John B on Feb 15, 2010 5:17 PM EST
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Brad and Eric Smith are getting tenders from the Jets.
The Smiths will join WR Braylon Edwards, RB Leon Washington and QB Kellen Clemens as players the Jets plan to tender. Both Brad and Eric are entering their fourth year in the NFL and will become restricted free agents with no collective bargaining agreement in place.
Eric started four games last year, two in place of benched Kerry Rhodes, who may be traded this offseason.
Brad played a key part in the Jets’ playoff-clinching win over the Bengals in the season finale, scoring two touchdowns while quarterbacking the team’s Wildcat formation. He also threw a 45-yard completion to WR Jerricho Cotchery that set up the Jets’ second touchdown in the AFC Championship loss to the Colts.
Tendering Clemens? Really? At the very least, another team would have to give up a second round pick to sign him. Nobody's going to do that. Maybe the coaching staff thinks it can get something out of him because he'll definitely be back with a tender. I'm not so sure.
Haven't heard which tender these guys are getting. The lowest tender, which is for the round the player was drafted in, seems likely. Eric went in the third round. Brad was in the fourth round. If these are what the Jets will offer, they would get a Draft pick in these rounds if another team signs them and the Jets match. Again, there is no confirmation these are the tenders, only a guess. I doubt either would get a first round tender, but a second round tender is possible.
I like the Brad move. He's a great special teamer and adds an extra dimension on offense. He's also an excellent decoy. Teams always have to account for him.
Eric found a role in subpackages this year, and Rex had good things to say about him. I'm not sure he's fast or athletic enough to start. He does bring value. Given the restrictions, I wouldn't have minded to see the Jets not tender him, let another team sign him, and open up a spot to sign an unrestricted free agent. Eric is a good player so you can't go too crazy even if you were thinking like me, though.
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i love
having the smith brothers on the team. and nobody would rather have clemens than a second-round pick, but if clemens knows the system well then its not an awful move.
I really would tender Clemens, like we talked about in the Clemens thread, he has already said that he doesn’t want to settle for being a career back-up, he is a first class guy so he is not going to say he doesn’t want to come back with the Jets, but that was as clear an indication as any, I don’t think he would be happy coming back without even a competition for the starting spot. No team is giving up a 2nd for him either.
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wow, shocked Clemens is tendered. I guess they think they can get SOMETHING for him if a team is desperate. In the long run any draft pick is better then getting nothing for him.
Someone somewhere must be interested in him and the Jets figure they can trade him.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
Meant to say wouldn’t tender him by the way.
I think it all comes down to what we would of done with the open roster space, like we talked about in the other thread, if we had not of tendered him, then he would become a UFA, and then we could sign someone to his roster spot. I guess getting something for him is better than nothing, but then you have to ask, are we really going to get anything for him? perhaps tender him to keep him and then trade him for a lower pick, a 5th or something. Just had a little deja vu there, have we done that before with someone? within the last 10 years?
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Maybe
Mangini wants him? Otherwise it makes no sense.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
good point
plus, it isn’t like the brown are loaded at that position
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Mangini really was never high on Clemens when he was here though, and I can’t see them wanting him with Quinn and Anderson on the roster. Not really sure what we are doing, unless we really want him to stay for another year
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there’s no way we tender clemens for his talent unless ainge and o’connell are that bad and the likelihood of any other team wanting clemens is low at best. it seems that the only likely reasoning is that we’re keeping him around to mentor sanchez and help him further learn the intricacies of the offense. i cant think of any other possible reason.
With how easy Sanchez won the job in camp, what more could Clemens teach him?
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
no idea, im reaching, but nothing else seems logical. you dont necessarily have to be a good player to be a good coach right?
You don’t have to be your right. The only reason I find that hard to believe is because didn’t Mark say at one point towards the end of the season, that he had been talking to Clemens but now he has more experience than Clemens/Ainge combined he now just really goes to the QB coach Cavanaugh.
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true, but aside from coaches, what player would be most familiar with the offense than someone who’s been in the system studying that playbook for 3 years (or something like that)? i think we’re tendering clemens this year just to ease mark in further, necessary or not. it’s gotta be something intangible like that for us. otherwise this move would make absolutely zero sense.
I agree, I’m not the best on FA rules, but can a player be traded after they have signed an offer sheet. That’s one route I could see us taking if that is possible, we know we won’t get a 2nd rounder for him, and we don’t want to lose him for nothing, so we can tender him, sign him and then trade him for a 5th or something like that.
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i would think that once they sign an offer sheet and they’re on the team, they’re fair game to be traded. here’s a semi-relevant quote from Mike T. from a few weeks back that you just reminded me of:
“If another team [comes] along and is interested in Kellen, we will certainly evaluate that. When we traded for Kevin O’Connell that was certainly a thought in my mind. We may not have Kellen forever. That was something that [former Green Bay Packers GM] Ron Wolf always talked to me about. Get a quarterback every year. I like to deal from a position of strength when it comes to that depth. Would we bring in a veteran? Sure, that’s something we would consider, but I like Kevin O’Connell. I like Erik Ainge, and we’ll see what happens with Kellen.”
we could just be stacking qbs in order to trade them. really hard to imagine what team would want kellen though.. and why. i hope this turns out to be the actual reason though or else my mind will be in a constant state of perplexity
Could definitely see that happening, a team really struggling for a QB might be tempted to part with a 5th/6th round selection for a former 2nd round highly touted prospect (I remember reading how he would of been a first rounder if it were not for that injury he suffered) who has not been given a real chance (that’s the feel I get from people who are not Jets fans). That would make the most sense to me, and if we can get a 5th or 6th round selection for him, would take that.
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Clemens needs to go. Period.
We have 2 great backups in Ainge and O’Connell and getting rid of Brad Smith in any kind of way is luducris. Brad is probably our best ST/wildcat player. Shit he could probably backup Sanchez than Ainge and O’conell. Leon better be back as well or shit going to hit the fan for reals. Once TJ retires Shonn Greene and Leon is all we’re going to have. Woody and Mike better make some wise fucking decisions up there.
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We have 2 great backups in Ainge and O’Connell
I like Clemens. Knows the system, can throw the ball, I’m not ready to give up on him based on a bad spot start in a run oriented offense in a game where he wasn’t even really allowed to try to make any throws. I wouldn’t have been devastated to have let him go, but I certainly don’t mind keeping him. This is a first round talent who just never has been given any shot to prove himself in the league, outside of half a season with a horrendous team, in a year where he beat the Steelers. I don’t know, maybe I still remember him picking apart Baltimore’s secondary back in the day, and am hanging on to that. How things may be a little different if Justin McCareins doesn’t drop that TD.
I wouldn’t mind bringing Chad in, but I’ll take Kellen over some random guy we would have to bring in and teach Schotty’s system to. Kellen is a standup guy with 4 seasons of knowledge of the offense. You really can’t ask for that much more from a backup. Nobody wants to be a backup, so I don’t think you will be able to bring in somebody better, and this new person would have to learn a new playbook. If you think Ainge or O’Connell should be the backup, okay, well they are still here aren’t they? They will have a chance to win the backup job. If they are so awesome, they shouldn’t have any problem winning a competition over Clemens right?
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Everything your saying makes sense, but the fact of the matter is if Clemens couldn’t even beat out Sanchez, then whats the reasoning on keeping Clemens around? Even if we don’t get Chad, there are still a lot of good FA QBs out there who may not know the system but given its a run first system can get it done.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
if Clemens couldn’t even beat out Sanchez, then whats the reasoning on keeping Clemens around?
You could say the same thing about Ainge and O’Connell and just about any backup QB in the league. At least Clemens has logged a few starts with the Jets. If the team feels he’s an adequate backup who could “get it done” in “a run first system” then why not bring him back? If the money is about the same, I don’t think some currently unknown QB would be a better fit on the Jets.
We have 2 great backups in Ainge and O’Connell
I don’t know if they are great…but seriously they can’t be worse then Clemens.
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A lot of Jets fans were really hyping Ainge up after the pre-season but I really couldn’t see why, a lot of his throws were under-thrown by 5-10 yards, receivers had to come back to even have a chance on the balls, the good throws were all simple reads against 3rd-4th stringers. I would absolutely hate to go into the season with Sanchez/Ainge and O’Connell as our QB options.
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Ainge and O'Connell
are both awful beyond belief. I couldn’t agree with you more.
Maybe we could send Clemens to KC for Croyle? Croyle had a good few showings last year and at the least is a better backup then either Ainge or O’Connel.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
agreed
even clowney was excelling under 3rd/4th stringers but then we all saw how he did in the real game
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Eric and Brad
Both situational players that have shown they can contribute but Brad is definitely not considered a potential starter, and the window for Eric to replace Kerry Rhodes seems to have closed when Kerry got his head back into the game. I think the front office is taking a calculated risk, thinking that if somebody does want them, why not get the picks in exchange and replace their depth. If one of them had to be let go, I would say let Eric go rather than Brad, but it’s not an easy choice. I hope they both stay.
As to Clemens, how he’s fallen – from being expected by some people to start in game 1 to a 90+% vote in favor of letting him go.
Can't understand tendering KC
Brad proved he could be a big part of the Offense.And Eric Smith is a decent backup
DWDLD
Had to tender Brad bc Leon is still a question. The other guys are expendable, although I like them both.
If Brad Smith leaves it tells me two things.
1. Leon will be signed to an extension and take over the “seminole”
2. They’ll try to draft a WR
anyone agree?
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i agree that 1. would have to be true in order for us to let brad go, but he never really functioned well as a WR anyway. 2. is true regardless of whether or not brad is here i think. we could use a WR version of leon in the slot
They should do both those things anyway. Wasn’t the “Seminole” already given that name because Leon came from FSU?
It was, I think it was changed to the Tiger formation when Smith was running it….different names, same thing…well apart from Smith is a little more likely to throw.
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This is kind of a pet peeve of mine, but the seminole and the tiger were different. And neither one of the two is the wildcat.
A lot of people seem to be under the assumption the wild cat is any time a guy who isn’t the QB takes a snap from shotgun. No. What we ran with Leon was one thing, it was just a direct snap to the half back, lined up at QB. We used wildcat a handful of times, but almost never. The wildcat is a formation, not a scheme, and it involves a single spread WR, an unbalanced line, and the spread WR coming in motion and the snap coinciding with him crossing the guy taking the snap. Just lining up a guy like Leon in the shotgun does not make it wildcat. I see a lot of our Jet fans talking about our wildcat offense, which we don’t have, and I saw a lot of Phins fans cracking jokes on us for using the wildcat to beat the Bengals, even though we actually used nothing of the sort to beat the Bengals. If it isn’t an unbalanced line, with 1 WR/HB split out wide, with that guy coming in motion as the ball is snapped, it isn’t wildcat. It is just a direct snap to someone other then the QB.
The Seminole and the Tiger are more similar to each other then either one is to the wildcat. Although, the seminole was a little bit of WC, mixed with mostly Leon or Brad running a draw to each other, or a “QB” keeper where Leon or Brad kept the ball. The Tiger was different, because it was a lot of option offense under different formations, something we rarely ran under anybody else. Sorry to come off dickish, just a pet peeve of mine. This was responding to David, but really it wasn’t directed at him, it is directed at the masses of people who think the Jets run some variation of the wild cat.
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Tendering Kellen
3 thoughts because I can’t really figure it out
1) is there any downside? i.e. can we tender him, sign him, then cut him if noone wants to trade for him without having to actually pay him anything?
2) perhaps this is just to prevent an O’Connell situation where a rival i.e. Dolphins or Pats sign him because he knows the offense. maybe they just want to trade him to some random team for a conditional 7th rounder to keep his knowledge away from certain teams.
3) If Vilma was worth a 4th rounder, there is no way Clemens is worth a 5th or 6th.
The downside is that after tendering him if we cut him we can’t sign a UFA QB. If we didn’t tender him and let him walk then we could have been free to sign a UFA to replace him.
Clemens knows the offense? never looked like it…
I think 2 is probably the best bet, and we trade him on Draft day to some random team for a late round pick or in a package.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
Tender him a 7th round pick
someone will probably be desperate enough to give us SOMETHING.
But probably not whatever the Jets are asking.
Can't do that
The lowest tender is the round he was drafted, the 2nd round, and that’s where he was tendered.
Thank you
I didn’t know that.
I feel like such a noob now.
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