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I'm going to change our focus for a second. Andrew from SB Nation's Denver Nuggets blog wrote a great piece this week on the main site about the dilemma that is being a blogger. Blogs particularly like this one with the support of a major company are becoming mainstream and blurring the lines of what constitutes legitimate media. In the past year, SB Nation has sent bloggers fully credentialed to the NFL Draft and the Super Bowl.

Andrew makes many compelling points. I do disagree with him in one area. We are normal fans. Yes, maybe I have a greater degree of access than some of you reading this site, but I bleed green and white like the rest of you. I slammed my remote control down when Doug Brien's second kick hooked. I got numb when Denver recovered the muffed kickoff in the 1998 AFC Championship Game. I remember my father smacking his head after the Kyle Brady pick.

This site is a reflection of one fan's thoughts. Let's be honest. Almost anybody could do what I do. Writing here doesn't mean I know more than any of you. It doesn't make me any more insightful. I may not always come off that way, but that's because the point of this site is for one fan to build a compelling argument, tell you why I feel the way I do, and convince you that I'm right.

I don't think having access is a bad thing. If we get a press pass to an event, we have to remember why we're there. It's not to do what newspaper and television reporters do. It's to make other fans who can't be there feel like they are. We need to think like fans, not reporters and think about what we've always wanted to know as fans.

It's also important to not become beholden to access. Access is nice compliment to what we do as bloggers, but it isn't essential. We're fans first. Media types depend on access. They develop personal relationships with people on the team. They'll pull punches for people they like and attack those they don't. It becomes too personal. Teams may limit access if they don't like something they see from a particular reporter. If bloggers become scared of losing their access, we become no better. Our sites become watered down newspapers, only without paid editorial staff. I've heard stories of teams that will refuse to give SBN bloggers access because they're not happy with what appears here. The writers here rightly refuse to give in. What good is compromising your site? It only hurts in the long run.

Andrew says we're fan advocates. I think a better term may be fan ambassadors. When we do our jobs with these teams, we're representing what all of you think.

Would you agree?

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This could turn into a long debate

But in the end, I think we’re going to go in circles and come back to the same starting point.

Neither me, you, david, DvDvill, Xander has the power to change what the blogosphere is right now, unfortunately. And its frustrating.

External contacts are hard to come by, yes… but I think it’s all about being proactive. Unfortunately, we’re not the press as you said, so instead of them contacting US, we have to go after them.

Its definitely frustrating, John ( I think that’s what you were trying to say here ?).

I dont like that Andrew guy saying we’re fan advocates, thats a slap in the face to us IMO.

We are what we are. We provide news, analysis, and opinions, with a personal feel. Thats what the blogosphere entails now. Maybe in a year or two, it’ll change. We (SBNation) are just a microcosm of the blogosphere. We can’t change it ourselves. Its other un-reputable, garbage blog networks (I wont name names…..[[B/R]]) that give blogosphere the label it currently has. Just gotta accept it for what it is

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by Matt Birch on Feb 14, 2010 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t know. I’m pretty happy with what we have here. We’ve got a pretty good thing going, and the lack of access isn’t necessarily holding us back.

With that said, I wouldn’t be opposed to us getting that kind of access. It could add to what we do. If we’re not careful, though, it could take away from what makes us unique.

You could probably speak of this better than I could, but I’m sure through your work on your school newspaper that what you do for them is different from what you do for us. There are obviously some common essentials such as being informed and writing well, but blogging and newspaper writing are two different games.

And yes, you are right. There are a lot of sites out there that give bloggers bad reputations. Bleacher Report is unfortunately the least of the problems on that front. Fortunately being connected with a respected network like SBN with so many talented professionals running it gives us a leg up.

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by John B on Feb 14, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It is definitely different there, John. After hoops season concludes in March I’m done. I’ve even told them this. Newspapers are a dying breed, good luck spending 12 hours+ a day and doing the work for the 30-40% of people that got laid off/fired at any given paper over the last two years. Newspaper writers live/deal with a level of stress I don’t care to. lol.

Online/electronic writing is where it’s at. For me at least. But I digress.

I’m happy with what we have here also, and like you said, we get our news. So that’s all that matters.

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by Matt Birch on Feb 14, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO, a blogger's job is to offer ensightful/inciteful opinions and elicit a response from readers.

The point is to spur good conversation and allow a forum for fans to express their views. Access for blogger’s would be nice, but it isn’t necessary. Like John said, fans don’t have access so their opinions are based on mostly what they see on the field and partly on whats reported about things that happen off the field. I think the MSM brings the team/players to the fan. Blogs bring fans to each other, and derivatively brings fans to the team.

Im all for you guys getting access, but only if its understood that blunt opinions will ensue as a result and we fans have something to talk about. So long as the blogs don’t become part of the teams’ PR machines.

by Crackback on Feb 14, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Im all for you guys getting access, but only if its understood that blunt opinions will ensue as a result and we fans have something to talk about. So long as the blogs don’t become part of the teams’ PR machines.

That’s the danger. It’s one of the reasons I thought twice about the Super Bowl credentials had we beaten the Colts. I would have ended up going, but mainly to try and show people things the average fan doesn’t get to see. But as you mention, it’s a slippery slope. You don’t want to become part of the machine.

You’ll always see stories about what Mark Sanchez is doing for charity here. That’s the kind of thing that makes us all feel good. But when we start pulling punches and become beholden to the teams, we betray what we are and just become another set of media hacks.

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by John B on Feb 14, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess it all depends on the blog.

You guys at GGN all comport yourselves professionally, without resorting to juvenile insults to make your point. But other SBN blogs don’t do the same. I’ve seen another blog’s main writer/editor toss around the term “douchebag” like its his personal identifier. Just imagine him interviewing Sanchez after a bad game: “So that douchebag Sanchez says he needs to work on his pre-snap reads…” I mean, who’s gonna wanna talk to THAT guy, if theyre going to be called a douche-bag in every other piece?

If blogs like this do get access, GGN-type professionalism must be displayed. And I think the lack of standards is the main reason teams won’t talk to you guys. But how do you regulate opinion? Sometimes things happen that require a strong response.

Matt is right, we can around in circles all day on this. And there will always be juvenile bloggers.

by Crackback on Feb 14, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, that’s the kind of thing I try to avoid. I remember back in 2007, I was on a message board and some guy called Chad Pennington a dick after he threw an interception. I called the guy out on it. Chad’s not a dick. He’s one of the best people in football, a great guy and a good family man. He wasn’t out there trying to lose the game. Probably nobody felt worse about it. His play on the field was fair game. He wasn’t playing well. Did he deserve to be benched? Probably, but that doesn’t reflect on the kind of guy he is.

And yes, we could go around in circles on this, but that’s part of why I brought the topic up. I think it’s an interesting discussion piece.

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by John B on Feb 14, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the compliment crack, we try to be professional. No one wants another Mike Francesa— a place where they get viewers/listeners just because people hate him so much.

I think it comes back to what John said above about being fans and bleeding green.We’re not going to give up on or trash this team because WE are die-hard fans also.

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by Matt Birch on Feb 14, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And that goes for you all as well

Everyone on here that actively participates and comments on here are huge fans also. For example, I dont think anyone would ever question your fanhood, crack. lol. Just two common interests really. As john said, you all are no different then us and could probably do a lot of this also if you had the time. We dont sit on a high horse like some of the other places.

Negativity brings negativity. Thats why a Mike Francesa or Cimini attracks a negative audience.

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by Matt Birch on Feb 14, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

typo

I actually typed “attracks”. and i said we were professional….. lol

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by Matt Birch on Feb 14, 2010 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

The writers here rightly refuse to give in. What good is compromising your site? It only hurts in the long run.

I agree with this, you have to write what is on the minds of the fanbase as a whole, that is what we are here for, to offer some insight, develop opinions and encourage debate. We don’t get much access, well at least it’s not spoon fed to us, we can get it but we have to be proactive in looking for it. Sometimes you have to post unpopular opinions about the team, the owner a certain player. Some media outlets, sugar coat problems to not tick off the wrong people. Fortunately for us, we don’t have to worry about that, we can say what’s on our minds, what is reflective of how the fanbase is feeling and not worry too much about the repercussions. Obviously within reason.

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by David_Wyatt on Feb 14, 2010 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

Comparing bloggers with writers and "experts".

I think we actually get more info on blogs like this than just by reading the papers. We actually get some X’s and O’s type of information, while most of the articles are just based on the pressers. That’s why they’re always trying to bait the coaches and players into saying something juicy. The beat writers just take the press conferences and put their individual spin on it.

For all the access they get, it’s rare when somebody actually gets any solid inside information.

As for the “experts” out there like Adam Schein and Mike Francesa, think about how many hours they are on the air, and all the sports they cover. How much time does that actually leave them to watch game film or even re-watch the games on DVR?

I think it’s amazing that John, David and Matt can write about the team so insightfully while having to balance that with their real lives.

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by dvdvil on Feb 15, 2010 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

From my own perspective and context

I’ve worked in print media in both the US and Greece, where I now live.
Here media bias is assumed and expected. No rants about liberal media, because there are liberal media, socialist media, conservative media, Communist media, rabid nationalist media, take your pick. You basically choose your prejudice and enjoy it, or take one of the few papers for which a political slant is not a foregone conclusion, which are sometimes criticized specifically for that.
The same exists in sports media to a certain extent: certain publications (there are daily sports papers) are known to favor certain teams, while some newer ones find a way around this by maintaining a multitude of perspectives, having one staff member cover each major team, etc.
What it seems to be that GGN and similar blogs either are or should be trying to do is to combine an openly declared fan bias with a relatively solid journalistic standard. To explain it better: we like the Jets here and want the Jets to do well and win. That doesn’t mean we’re above criticizing the Jets or we ignore the truth to make things look more in our favor. You won’t see “the Patriots are a great team” but you might see “the Patriots outplayed us” if that’s what happened. You will see references to “vanilla play calling” or to good play calls, but not the homerism of “if you don’t agree with our playcalling you’re an idiot (or not a true fan)”. You might see “Greene is better than Maroney” with some reasonable arguments that explain why, you won’t see “Greene is better than Maroney because he’s our guy and that’s the end of it, if you disagree just shut up”.

by Rabbit T on Feb 15, 2010 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

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