Ending All This Asomugha Talk
by OnceYoureAJet on Feb 10, 2010 2:05 AM EST
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Let me start by saying that Nnamdi Asomugha is overrated and the Jets would be asinine to attempt to acquire him considering how much they would have to offer. I'm not saying that he isn't good - because he certainly has his positives - but all this attention he's been getting is a little bit ridiculous considering his stat sheet. And for God's sake, please don't ever compare him to Revis.
Why, you ask? Well, since he's been touted as a 'shutdown corner' alongside Revis, it would be advantageous to first actually define what 'shutdown corner' actually means. In my eyes, a SC is defined primarily by one thing: stopping completions in his area of coverage, rather than making a play after the completion is made. Assuming the opposing QB throws a catchable ball, this means a SC must either defense the pass, make an interception, or be intimidating enough to force the QB to throw the ball to another receiver. Following this, the statistical metrics that would define a good SC are (1) percentage of receptions completed into the CB's coverage, (2) passes defensed, (3) interceptions, and (4) number of times the player was thrown at in coverage.
Now let's look at the stats (ProFootballFocus) from the 2009 regular season:
Player -------------- % Caught -- # PD -- Ints -- Thrown at
Nnamdi Asomugha -- 75% ------ 2 ----- 1 -------- 28
Darrelle Revis --------- 36.9% --- 23 ---- 6 ------- 111
Honestly, do yourself a favor and just look at the link to the PFF stat page above and stare at those numbers for a few minutes. Not only does Nnamdi let three out of every four balls thrown his way get caught, but he's only intercepted the ball once all season and defenses only about 7% of passes (whereas Revis defenses about 21%). In fact, the only thing Asomugha has going for him is the fact that QBs just didn't throw at him very often, which might indicate that the intimidation factor is present. But upon further investigation, it's more likely because the Raiders are being thrown at less often!
I really could go on and on, but seriously since I looked at the PFF stats from the first link, I have trouble convincing myself that Asomugha is even a top 20 CB. People have been enamored with him since the 2006 season when he had 8 interceptions, but he's only had 3 total since then and the magic hasn't seemed to wear off. I'll just add insult to injury by saying that it's a bonafide travesty either Leon Hall or Johnathan Joseph didn't get voted into the Pro Bowl instead of Nnamdi.
So, moral of this story - please stop with all this 'OMFG REVIS + ASOMUGHA DOMINATIONNNNNN' garbage. Look for real CB talent (Kyle Wilson // Perrish Cox // Joe Haden) in the draft.
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Good wrote up
I still think he’s much better than you give him credit for, but you’re absolutely right that he’ll be overpriced and foolish to pursue. We need to make smarter moves as a final 8 team in the year without the cap.
Asomugha has been targeted less over the last four years than Revis was just this year alone. Revis is a lot better IMO obviously, but if a QB is only throwing to his coverage 25-30 times a year averaging maybe 2 passes into his coverage a game, then he is shutting down that side of the field. He also doesn’t have many chances to make plays on the ball. His one interception on 28 targets, is not far off Revis’s on 111. Again Revis is a better corner, but even suggesting Asomugha may not be a top 20 corner is asinine IMO. Not to mention that Asomugha has given up 2 TD’s in three years…..When a guy gives up one touchdown and 246 yards, and it is considered a down year, that’s a shutdown guy. He has earned the right not to be thrown at, and Revis will suffer a similar fate as early as 2010.
It wouldn’t be in the best interest of the Jets to pursue him, but Asomugha is one hell of a corner.
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It's probably one of those things
that you can’t really and truly appreciate by just looking at numbers (i.e. you’d have to go to the tape), but still I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that Asomugha lets 75% of balls thrown to his guy go through regardless of how many balls there are. When you look at each team’s passing yards allowed per game and you notice that the Jets are allowing over 30 less PYPG (154) than the next best team, you shudder to think of the guy that must be the major contributor to that. Oakland allowed over 206 PYPG – 7th overall – even with three less passes per game thrown to them. Revis makes his whole team substantially better while Asomugha, you could argue, only does the service of eliminating one receiver.
Also, does Nnamdi stick to a side, or does he stick to a receiver like Revis does? If it’s the former, I’d think of him even less.
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by OnceYoureAJet on Feb 10, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
You would have to ask Oakland fans that, not seen all his games so don’t really know, think he mixes and matches. Oakland are terrible though, put Asomugha on a decent team like the Jets and he would be outstanding. He let 75% balls complete in 2009, but typically he is around 50%, a lot of those underneath. Bottom line for me is that he only gave up 264 yards, and a single score during a down year in 2009, 161 yards and 0 TD’s in 2008, and 142 yards and 1 TD in 07. Every time I have seen him I have come away impressed, if Oakland had decent players with him in the secondary those PYPG would plummet. We gave up 234 PYPG in 2008, with Revis on the team, a lot relies on who you have playing with you, it’s very much a team effort. Put Asomugha on the Jets I think our PYPG would of been a little more but not substantially, if you put Revis on Oakland’s it would of been similar, because nobody else can cover in that system.
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maybe you need 2 facter in the DEF. asom. plays 4 compared 2 who revis plays 4.
the only time a ball is gonna end up in the same zip code as asom, is when he gets chipped or hes covering up someone elses blown coverage. which happens alot playing 4 the 26 ranked DEF. that said revis is the best but give this guy his do.
Those stats are not good enough to rate
Playing in the Raiders defense does not show skill well. Even playing there he was so good it scared QB’s.
You need to watch the plays before spkeaking about a player, Asomugha was not even covering some of the guys that he was credited to. And some of the other times another Raider either bumped him or blew their coverage when Asomugha expected some backup. He is one of the premier CB’s in the league in man coverage and above most in Zone, in Rex’s team he would be as good as Revis. Revis never has to worry about what the safeties are going to do and that allows him to concentrate on his guy.
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He's good
You have to understand if you can play man on the highest level of football you are good. Some of the guys with the numbers are terrible corners. They take too many chances and get beat by double moves because quaterbacks know how to play them. I did see Phillp Rivers beat him on a double move for a short red zone touchdown (the toughest place on the field to play man, wonder why rex almost always play zone in the red area). Yet he almost recoverd to break up the play. He’s good
not a shutdown corner? LOL
Have you ever watched a Raider game? Well I am a Jet fan and one of my best buddies is OBSESSED with the Raiders so I have watched every game of the kids career. Let me just say that the stat that jumps out to me on your Revis/N.A. comparison is the pass attempts. There is a reason N.A. has only seen 28 pass attempts his way in 16 games. BECAUSE HE SHUTS PEOPLE DOWN! He completely takes wr’s out of the gameplan. He is longer, faster, and a better tackler than Revis as well. If we had both of those guys on the outside our team is superbowl bound, period. We would just have to avoid allowing 200 rush yds a game and we’d be celebrating a World Championship this time next year. However there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that Al Davis would trade his favorite player so this whole debate is a mute point.
You can certainly argue that Nnamdi isn’t worth the money, or that we have more prudent options, but to say that he’s not a shutdown corner, or that he isn’t on Revis’ level (Darelle is better, to be sure, but this is the only guy whose even so much as in his neighborhood) is, well, not right.
I wonder how long it would take for you to change your mind if we did sign him.
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