Should The Jets 2011 Draft Be 100% Defensive?
by David_Wyatt on Dec 9, 2010 10:30 AM EST
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I was talking to a friend of mine about the 2011 draft yesterday and it got me thinking who the Jets would take. Then I started looking at it as a whole and asked myself the question, will we take any offensive players this year? and should we take any offensive players this year?
We have a 1st, a 2nd, a 4th, a 5th, a 6th and two 7's. Our 3rd being sent to San Diego for Antonio Cromartie and we have a seventh round one coming back from Arizona for the Kerry Rhodes trade. So we have 7 selections in the draft and we need (not taking trades into consideration), 2 safeties, 1 outside linebacker and 2 defensive lineman. I wouldn't mind us picking up another cornerback and moving Lowery to safety, as well as a back-up inside linebacker as well.
Do we need an offensive player in this draft? I guess it depends which players we keep on and which players we just can not afford to keep. Can we keep Santonio and Braylon? and if not do we spend a high pick on a WR or wait until the 4th round to get a Jordan Shipley type of guy.
I think what has become obvious this year is that Brodney Pool and Eric Smith are simply not good enough to be an every down safety on a championship team, especially when playing in the same division as the Patriots who utilize their TE's better than most teams in the league. Teams can work over the middle and wide receivers and tight ends know they can have success there.
The problem for me comes with the players available at the positions of need. We have two glaring needs in this team, a pass rusher who can win his match-up and get to the QB and a free safety who can cover and tackle. One player I really like in this draft is the very versatile Allen Bailey from Miami.
One player that I would love to have on this team next year is FS Deunta Williams from UNC. He's had a much quieter year this year which may allow him to drop a little bit, but he had 6 interceptions in 2010, and I remember him as a guy who can hit, tackle and cover wit pace and good hands. He missed 3 of the first 4 games this year and that seems to have put him back a little bit, but I really believe that this guy is a terrific player.
He is know for being a smart player and he can certainly deliver a hit when required.
We'll be covering the draft more in depth after the season as usual, but just thought I would post this little snippet up just to ask if there are any players you are keeping your eyes on, with so many bowl games coming up, it's a great time to see some of these potential Jets in action.
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Here is a little video of Deunta
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This guy sounds really good. Everything I read on him basically is a gush report. 4 year starter, good range, good hitter, is a former receiver so he has good hands and ball skills. I like him.
Hey do you know anything about the guy from clemson? His name is escaping right now but he’s another guy people seem to be gushing over.
by Crackback on Dec 9, 2010 10:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i dont know how we pass on a WR in the first.
Seems like nothing but stud #1s are coming out. Jones, green, blackmon, baldwin, floyd… Seems like they’re all dynamic and/or 6-3 230.
Reaaly like Bailey too though. And Paea. Kenrick Ellis is intriguing.
Also woulndt mind giving a looksy to Champ in free agency.
by Crackback on Dec 9, 2010 10:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The thing about such a high concentration of quality players...
…means that other teams will be taking them, which pushes the top players of other positions further down the draft for the top teams to pick up. What the Patriots have been doing is playing to the concentrations of the draft. Last season, everyone was upset when the Pats opted to take Devin McCourty over Jared Odrick. Well, Odrick was a fine prospect- but he was the only 3-4 DE prospect that would be a valid bottom of the first round pick. This year? Well, there’s Heyward, Clayborne, Bailey, Dareus, Crick, Jordan and Fairley who are all worth a first round pick. Instead, there was a perceived high number of corners who were worth a first (Haden, McCourty, Jackson, Wilson, etc). Therefore, the Patriots can take a top level cornerback when there’s a high concentration in the draft.
What I’m saying is that because there’s such a high concentration of WRs, the Patriots might take one because the level of performance between the #1 WR (Green) might not be very different from the #5 (Floyd). They can afford to pick one up and know that they’ll be getting a high quality player.
On the flip side, for the Jets, because teams like the Patriots are drafting the high quantity positions, that lets players in other positions (the #1 OT, #1 G, #1 NT, #1 ILB, etc) drop down the board and be available for teams like the Jets to pick up. So I think it would be better for the Jets to NOT take a WR and instead capitalize on the top talent that slips between the cracks as teams takes runs at positions.
by Richard Hill on Dec 9, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Love all the DL prospects u named. But I don’t follow ur logic with the WRs. You basically made my point that the 5th guy taken is every bit as good as the first guy, which is why you don’t pass on grabbing a stud freak WR in the late 20s if the opportunity presents itself. If one isn’t there, then we luck out and can likely grab a good-great DL.
by Crackback on Dec 9, 2010 12:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haha true. But its kinda hard to talk smack to a pats fan right now.
by Crackback on Dec 9, 2010 12:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why?
They won one, we won one. There might very well be a third game to decide which team is actually better
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Meh, they really could care less where their draft pick comes from
as they have like 79 or so draft picks. They could just trade up in the first round or maybe they’re trying to catch them all.
It's because a lot of teams will start drafting those WRs...
…which will drop the other position players of need, who are #1 in the draft, will be available. You could take the WR, but then the top player at a different position will be gone. When a WR is drafted, the next WRs will be drafted as teams don’t want to miss out on the WRs by the next round; it starts a run. Those runs that will happen (and there will be DL and WR runs) will allow other players to drop. I wouldn’t be surprised if 4-5 DL AND 4-5 WRs are drafted before the #1 lineman. So when other teams take the top 5 WRs of similar quality, the top lineman will drop down the draft.
Absolutely not!
While our biggest needs are Safety and DE/OLB in that order I would say the next two are RB, and TE, with WR being even bigger if we let either Holmes or Edwards go. We need an everydowm power back to back up Greene when LT goes, we need another pass catching option at TE. I still say best available from our needs, although safety is the absolute #1
by Judgegavel on Dec 9, 2010 10:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions
zach line, smu, rb
Love this guy in the mid-late rounds. 230 lbs, tough runner, quick feet, nice hands. He would fit in well and would make a great 3-man group with Greene and McKnight.
by Crackback on Dec 9, 2010 11:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
pass catching TE is already on the roster.
Cumberland: 6-4 260, 4.5 forty, nice hands but needs to develop his blocking. Probably let Mulligan go next year.
by Crackback on Dec 9, 2010 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We don't know that yet Crack...
the fact he has not been on the roster yet tells me he has not made much progress, he’s a long shot at best
i dont think its a long shot at all.
The measurables are there, he just needs to develop. And we’re talking about a back-up TE? Maybe Maybe somebody to put in some sub-packages? The guy is perfect.
by Crackback on Dec 9, 2010 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
umm judge you do know BS does not know how to use talent right what make you so sure he can see them?
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by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 9, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
IDK
I’d prefer a well rounded TE, some one who can both block and catch, at this point DK is just not good on every down, and Harstock and Mulligan are nothing more than extra lineman. He doesn’t have to be DK in the passing game, but at least a check down option that warrants some attention.
Perhaps I’m to enamored with what NE did this week.
DT, FS, WR ( I miss you Kerry Rhodes)
Hell yes!!! Its time to cut Shaun Ellis, Kris Jenkins and Vernon, I know its a longshot but “Haynesworth” will do fine replacing Jenkins we need someone to punch the gut out of the opponents O-line, but on the other hand we passed on alot of good WR’s last year (Shipley) he would have been a steal we cant possibly keep all the WR’s we have now (does Clowney even play for us anymore??
.....
Clowney was cut by the Jets several weeks ago, signed by Carolina I think
Haynesworth is complaining because he doesn’t want to play in a 3-4 D, what we run
Jenkins is a huge force if his knees can hold up
by JetsFanMurphy on Dec 9, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
If anybody can get him to play Rex Ryan can!!
Hayneworth is a longshot but he is on my Christmas list, lol
I definitely Don't want Big A
He’ll want a ton of money which we don’t have
He’ll show his diva side to him if he comes
Would rather have rookie or done Jenkins over him
by JetsFanMurphy on Dec 9, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Just say no to Fat Albert....
Please, I’m green through and through, but live in the D.C. area.
NO HAYNESWORTH!!!!
We don’t play a 3-4. We play a multiple.
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this it bothers me so much when ppl say we are a 3-4 no! we are a hybrid defense in this hybrid defense we also play 4-3 yes the 4-3 haynesworth would love
not saying trade for him just saying we are not a 3-4
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by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 10, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
If he keeps taking pay cuts he can stay on the roster as long as he wants for all I care.
We shouldn’t be tying up any significant money on him though. At all.
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I think he's developed into a serviceable back-up at this point...
and I really think he’s going to have a break out season some day, not anything like he was predicted to be, but at least decent starter type numbers one. He knows he owes the Jets at this point, so he should keep taking the cuts and like it.
Cut Jenks? Why?
Ellis is also playing at a high level.
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Jenks because it will save $4.6 million next year...
and I doubt he will ever play a full season again.
Ellis is a tough call, he’s getting old so you will be over paying for him.
Safety
I agree we need a big play safety, but give Pool a chance, 1st year in the system as well as he’s been nagged by injuries all season….Smith it a great run stopper but can’t cover
sucking does not get fixed with learning the system imo. he is missing tackles and getting juked, not stuff a product of adjusting t the system and I am not real impressed with him in coverage.
In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Theres a good chance there wont be football next year
its all about money and there will be a lockout from everything ive read- GREED is the controlling factor here networks and owners- Its like the biggest stick up inhistory- but us fans are left to hold the bag!
any ideas?
Mostly D but...
We might need a WR depending on what happens with Edwards (I can’t imagine us not keeping Holmes). Also, we need a running back… a killer running back. I dunno how long we’ll have LT but I think we need another.
We NEED a safety or two, a pass rusher and a defensive linemen that eats raw hamburger for breakfast every morning.
Yes Shaun Ellis is not getting to anyone these days
Still mad about John Abraham!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RAW HAMBURGER FOR BREAKFAST or JUST EAT ALIVE COW, lmao
i thought we traded our fifth to the steelers for holmes?
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That was last years 5th fella.
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well thanks for clarifying :)
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by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 9, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Listen, pass rusher should be top priority
I say this because with a man-child everybody on the defense gets better. The defensive line gets better because man-child would command double teams, opening up one on ones for the other lineman, not to mention opening up blitz lanes. Everybody in the secondary gets better because of QB’s having to rush throws. The main reason is one of the best QB’s ever is in our division, the Jets need field a team that can slow that paper cut offense down. Right now they don’t have the players to do that. Safety would be the second priority.
Yeah but you can't assume we'll get a superstar DE
A solid pass-rushing end is a reasonable hope, though
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Hey Dave what are your thoughts on Robert Sands, S, WVU?
6-5 220, physical presence. Not sure how he is in coverage or how rangy he is. He caught my eye a couple weeks ago but I couldn’t watch the whole game.
by Crackback on Dec 9, 2010 12:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
As a Marshall fan I hate everything to do with West Virginia ;-) so trying to be fair here. I’ve only seen him once and that was week two against us, and he didn’t really stand out. So I don’t really know much about him apart from the fact he is a big time hitter. Is he coming out this year? thought I read that he was staying for his senior year.
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Lol. Fair enough. I don’t know if he’s coming out or not, I just assumed he was.
by Crackback on Dec 9, 2010 12:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0o1xMWqCow
Hard to look at this highlight video though and not be slightly intrigued, if he did come out this year where abouts do you have him going?
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Not sure. Gotta see his 40 time. I’m thinking 3rd roundish right now.
by Crackback on Dec 9, 2010 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he kinda looks like and wilson but hits more like a make truck and is in a safeties body
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by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 9, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
and
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by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 9, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
All we have is a 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, and 7th
We lose our 2nd because of Cro, and our 5th because of Holmes.
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
I still am confused by this- Cro is a 3rd still he didn’t complete the stuff to turn the pick into a second?
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Does anyone really know what the requirements are?
I have seen on a lot of mock drafts us giving up a 2nd.
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
I have been looking to the draft for a while now
Our biggest needs are
rush OLB
FS
D-Line
WR
A cover FS is a huge need if we want to beat the Pats and their TEs. The problem is that this draft is horrible for safeties. I haven’t seen enough from anyone to convince me they are worth a 1st or a 3rd.
1st ROUND OLB Justin Houston or Ryan Kerrigan
3rd ROUND FS Mark Barron or Brian Lainhart
4th ROUND D-linemen Muhammad Wilkerson or Pernell McPhee
6th ROUND WR Cecil Shorts III or Greg Salas
7th ROUND OLB Jonathan Freeny or NT Phil Taylor
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
I’d rather take a flyer on Plax than pick a WR in the 6th.
by Crackback on Dec 9, 2010 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Plax might not be a bad idea... just look at Vick
There is a lot of WR talent in this year’s draft. Don’t be surprised if a one falls as far as the 6th.
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
Will that even effect the draft?
I mean just because they are locking out players doesn’t mean necessarily they wont draft new ones that want money, and want to play. It might actually be added leverage against the players.
The problem with the way this team is constructed and the draft is that we are a win now team yet misjudged Kyle Wilson’s ability to step in right away and then took a project in Round 2 and another in Round 4 (McKnight). Aside from John Conner we do not have 1 pick who is contributing to this team. That is the difference between us and the Pats. They draft guys who are ready to contribute now and rarely pick projects. Look at their picks from last year….McCourty, the TE duo (I think both last draft’s picks), etc.
The Jets need to focus on getting guys early who can step in and contribute from Day 1. That is the only way they can sustain their Championship aspirations. And they better hope that our first 3 picks in last year’s drafts develop into contributors next season or we are in a lot of trouble.
Or those guys might be ready to contribute next year when some of the vets leave
Conner looks ready to take over for T-Richardson, and McKnight might be ready to pick up some of the slack for Tomlinson next year (who will still be here, no?). I expect Wilson to start impacting a lot of games by the playoffs, and certainly by next year
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all depends on who we keep
wr would be an option is we let braylon go but maybe in the 2nd round .
our biggest need is d line . we wasted last years 2nd round pick on vlad so ryan243 is right no more projects .
we need 2 d line players and a safety on defence and if we can find an arian foster type back in the later rounds that would be ideal .
our weakness all year is lack of pressure on qb’s and rex has yet to find any rough diamonds on defence that go undrafted . he moulded scott and leonard into good nfl players and i was hopeful he could have found 1 in his two year as our coach . hopefully this is the year he find 1
Devito and pouha weren’t exactly highly touted. And they’ve been playing at a very high level under rex.
by Crackback on Dec 9, 2010 7:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you think about it
The only pick that’s contributing right now is the one that Rex chose. Maybe he should choose the whole draft next year…
while everyone has a bunch of great ideas and i agree that our d-line needs a youth infusion…we seem to be forgetting that damien woody is getting old. we need to start looking at his future replacement, much like we did w slauson. and for those of you who say ducasse can do it… forget about it, he is a straight up guard and doesnt have the speed to match up with speed rushers off the edge.
Ducasse is an RT, thats was what he was drafted for...
I don’t know where your getting your information but his athleticism is off the charts, and perfect for it, we just have to worry about his game intelligence. Letting him in the guard competition was just for competition sake, it was always the intention that he was ultimately developmental, and ultimately earmarked to replace Woody.
defense should be top priority
This team needs an identity and with Rex, it better be defense. There’s no point in getting more toys for Schotty when he already can’t handle the ones we already have. If we get a couple of guys that can get to the QB, then we’ll be more like the dominant D that we were last year. We avoided the D-line last year, this year we need some playmakers and some depth.
I wouldn't bother drafting offense
although I know some people are crazy for a running back.
I think this team is so close to being the most complete defensive unit I’ve ever seen that I personally wouldn’t be able to help myself in the shoes of the FO. I’d address A safety (I’m personally not drafting more than one in the high rounds) followed by a pass rusher and after that I don’t really care, I’d take the best fit for the team no matter what position.
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I don't understand why we would get an RB
Shonn Greene has about as much upside of any RB, and between McKnight, LT and Conner, we have plenty of depth
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NO RBs please
Unless LT retires, there is no need to for another RB. I think we need to see what we have in McKnight, now that the season is in its home stretch. If anything, we can pick up someone in free agency.
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
I'm totally willing to give LT another year
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I think he has a 5m bonus that will kick in. I don’t think he’s worth it. I’d rather go draft a youngin.
by Crackback on Dec 9, 2010 9:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No
the total contract is 5.1 million, with the chance to be 5.6 million. Presumably, that means it would be about 2.8 next year
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by OldProspects on Dec 9, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I those numbers are right
I stick by my statement.
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so basically 2rounders are 1st rounders 3rd rounders are 2nd rounders and so on? (since supposedly this is the most deepest draft in history?)
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People were saying that last year.
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and QB
Potentially 3/4 top-10 picks
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by OldProspects on Dec 9, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone support the idea of trading back and picking up more picks? it doesn’t have to be the 1st round if there is a great olb left but if we turn a second into a 3rd and 4th I think that would be smart. scratch this if there is a beast of a player that falls to us of course.
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I dunno
I want to say yes because I feel like we’re really thin defensively but at the same time, besides Revis, there is no big time playmaker on D and I think we need a couple badly.
yeah i wanna say yes too
but i dont think we can afford if say we draft a S first then we will probably either need a NT or a pass rusher and i dont know if you can find that in the 3rd or 4th anything can happen but you cant just roll the dice like that we already picked projects now its time to get serious
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by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 10, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Well thats kind of what I mean since we used some of our picks already we would be best served to be able to grab more players this year. You could argue that every level of the defense needs to be touched up along with WR TE (maybe TE) RB and you could always use another O lineman.
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