Patriots 45 Jets 3: Gang Green Humiliates Self on Monday Night Football
by John B on Dec 7, 2010 12:13 AM EST
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PrintThe Jets fell to 9-3 in crushing fashion, suffering an absolutely humiliating 45-3 defeat to the Patriots tonight in Foxborough. It was every bit as lopsided as the score would indicate. Part of me feels like I should just cut the recap here. I would be putting as much effort into this as the Jets put into tonight's game. However, we need to talk about what went wrong before we move on.
More after the jump.
The Bad:
Defensive Game Plan: The way the Jets approached this game defensively gave them no shot from the outset. The Jets started this game with the exact same approach they took in last season's game in Foxborough. There was a four man front with the same four men consistently rushing. That only works if a team has a guy like Terrell Suggs capable of consistently beating men and getting to the quarterback. Tom Brady had all day to throw early. The Jets don't have a player capable of winning one on ones and getting consistent heat. They needed to attack, vary their looks, confuse the blocking, and make Tom Brady feel uncomfortable. They did not do this until it was too late. Would it have definitely worked? There are no guarantees. Mixing things up didn't work after the game got out of hand, but it was the only chance the Jets had. The coaching staff took it off the table. Best example? 10-0 Patriots, 1:54 left, first quarter, 3rd and 22, New York 44. The Jets rush three. Brady has all day. He finds Deion Branch for 19. It puts New England in a position to go for it on fourth down. They do and score a touchdown. The coaching staff should be embarrassed to come out with such a terrible plan with 11 days to prepare.
Mark Sanchez: He was horrible. He was missing a ton of guys early when he had a clean pocket. In the second half, he was throwing it up for grabs like he didn't care. The Jets had a ton of advantages in the passing game. Sanchez finished 17 for 33 for 164 yards against what was the worst pass defense in the league.
Antonio Cromartie: Burned consistently by Deion Branch. Burned for a pair of touchdowns in the first half. Brady left some throws on the field when Branch was open. Cromartie simply did not do the job.
Braylon Edwards: Couldn't come up with a pair of balls in the first half that killed drives. Neither was a gimme, but a guy seeking a big contract needs to come down with both.
Nick Folk: I can understand missing a 53 yard kick on a night like tonight. I cannot live with him missing the kick that badly. You can finally sign me up on the "we could use a new kicker" bandwagon, even after he made the second kick.
Shaun Ellis: He was getting wiped out by New England's blocking.
Eric Smith: Ugly defending the tight ends. He couldn't handle Rob Gronkowski and got an interference call that set up a score.
Brodney Pool: Didn't play well when he dropped into the slot, and missed a few tackles.
Dwight Lowery: The game was out of hand, but Aaron Hernandez abused him in the second half.
LaDainian Tomlinson: The numbers looked good, but I thought his most significant play was not beating Jermaine Cunningham one on one after a second quarter red zone reception. He has to finish off the rookie there. He probably would have scored a touchdown that could have changed momentum.
Steve Weatherford: It was easily the punter's worst night of the year. His average was 26 yards. That includes a 12 yard punt.
Brad Smith: Wasn't dangerous on his many kick return opportunities (20 yard average), ran for 2 yards and was short of the first down on his only carry, and got flagged on a penalty to wipe out a big Santonio Holmes punt return.
Game Management: It was nonsensical to send out a struggling kicker for a 53 yard try early on a brutal night. It destroyed his confidence. How about throwing on 3rd and 2 and then punting the ball? There were many puzzling decisions out there.
Dustin Keller: A matchup nightmare, he was invisible out there.
Effort: In the fourth quarter, one team was fighting for every extra yard. The other team was quitting on plays and blowing assignments. It was disgusting.
Blown Assignments: Somebody is supposed to cover a running back on a pass pattern, right?
Robert Turner: Yeah, talk trash to Tom Brady while he's wiping the floor with your team. That'll do a lot of good. Why not take another stupid personal foul while you're at it? Can the team please cut this guy?
The Good:
Santonio Holmes: Holmes was one of the few Jets who came to play. He finished with 7 catches for 72 yards. He made some really tough catches and fought hard for extra yardage after his grabs. He also had a nifty punt return wiped out by Smith's penalty.
Shonn Greene: 13 carries for 64 yards. He looked dangerous with the ball in his hands. He was beating guys to the corner and pounded people for extra yardage. I thought the Jets went away from him entirely too early. They were down a few touchdowns in the first half, but there was plenty of time to establish the run with Shonn.
Darrelle Revis: New England didn't even try to go after him. He handled Wes Welker well when he moved inside. Brady exploited it when the Jets moved Revis off Welker.
Joe McKnight: You might have turned the game off, but Joe got some garbage time work and looked pretty good. He had an 18 yard punt return and 3 carries for 19 yards, gaining the corner on outside runs. It might be time to start getting the ball into his hands.
Other Thoughts:
- No complaints here about the use of challenges by Rex Ryan. It looked to me like Mark Sanchez got the first down on the second effort on his sneak. I think the officials ruled that his knee hit the ground, but I think they blew the call. The touchdown would have stood. Part of the receiver's forearm came down inbounds.
- First thing I don't want to hear: "The Jets really missed Jim Leohnard tonight." One player did not make the difference tonight. I have a tough time believing Leonhard even makes the play when Eric Smith got flagged. It probably would have gone for a touchdown because Leonhard is too small to win a jump ball in that spot.
- Second thing I don't want to hear: "Same old Jets." What does that even mean? It's an empty cliche. I hear it when the team is 4-12. I hear it when the team is 9-3. What wouldn't constitute same old Jets? Does it mean the team has to go undefeated to not be the same old Jets? It's a crutch people use at the first sign of trouble.
That obviously stunk. Let's not go crazy, though. Almost every team has at least one game a year where absolutely nothing goes right. Unfortunately for the Jets, that came in front of the nation. It happened for the Pats under the radar against the Browns. Chins up. No matter the score, these teams split this year. The Jets still have a shot at the division and are in excellent shape to make the Playoffs and potentially get another shot up in New England. We go on.
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ALRIGHT IM MAKING ONE COMMENT AND LEAVING
We will be back, we will be in super bowl 45, we are 9-3. I dont give a shit if you think the jets suck. That was pathetic in every facet of the game of football, but geezus, if there is one man I trust to turn this around, its Rex Ryan.
That is all.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Dec 7, 2010 12:19 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
+ ONE HUNDRED MILLION!
I’m wearing a personalized Jets Jersey with Rex Ryan’s name on it. If anyone can do this it’s him!
Like I said in the previous post
We are almost guaranteed a playoff spot as long as we beat Buffalo. HOWEVER:
The Road to the Superbowl will, in all likelihood, go through New England again
I just hope the Pats used protection...
by JetsFan718 on Dec 7, 2010 12:21 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha
So do I. Can you imagine Brady with that haircut, Uggs, and a disease? And I say that as a Pats fan.
Ye gods.
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NOW LET'S GO EAT A F**KING SNACK!
Because I have to go to bed.
I have class tomorrow and homework to do.
The Jets really DID miss Leonhard, but not for his matchups
Jim knows everyone’s responsibility on defense, he’s the grease that keeps the machine functioning. He would have made sure the defensive gameplan was executed properly, and hopefully helped prevent some of those blown assignments.
Overall, I think Leonhard’s absence might be the worst thing to come away with from tonight.
Also...
His loss is the kind of thing that makes you feel cursed going into a game. Leonhard is guy that brings a ton of intangibles. Losing him isn’t an excuse, but we seemed to have a cloud over our head from the start.
The Jets have a very complex D that is predicated on communication. Losing your master communicator is a big short term problem.
It is.
Especially since we lost him at the end rather than at the beginning of the prep time. Rex loves Leonhard because of his mental abilities. I think a lot of people forget that when they complain about his coverage skills.
I actually think that Rex is too dependent on Leonhard, but losing him
at the last moment must have been a horrible system blow. But Leonhard is a small guy, he’s lucky he hasn’t missed more time due to injury.
I agree
Why are we still trying to downplay the loss of our starting safety and defensive play caller? Leonhard’s leadership and countless saving tackles and effort really could have had an impact on an at-times lost looking defense.
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Especially when the Pats got a bunch of their big plays by using misdirection
Quickly putting a guy in a place where he’s either covered by someone unsuited (a D-lineman trying to cover Woodhead, who runs a 4.33 40? Yes please), or someone who’s not covered at all (who had Hernandez on his TD? Umm). Belichick and O’Brien used a lot of motion and created so many mismatches that Brady was spoiled for choice. A savvy vet in Leonhard would likely have sniffed out at least some of those mismatches and adjusted coverages.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
omg, enough with the jim leonard puffery.
All year, after just about EVERY game, rex has stated that the issue with the defense was communication in the secondary. And all year the guy was an automatic first down for TEs. The defense was at its best when he wasn’t involved. Please just stop the nonsense. He was never a step above average on his best day.
by Crackback on Dec 7, 2010 10:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you can't be an effective defense without a pass rush
not drafting a pass rusher meant that Rex was handcuffed with what he could do to get pressure. Blitzing can only get you so far when you don’t have the personnel that will get you to the quarter back effectively.
And yes, Leonhard was missed because Smith was way overmatched in all facets of the game physically and mentally. That PI was a sad call because the ball was not even catchable (it hit Smith in the back of the leg!).
Also, if we’re going to have Shotty as OC, we might as well get rid of Holmes and Edwards. There’s no point in having talent when your coaching staff doesn’t know how to use it. Might as well spend the personnel and dollars on pass rushers, youth and depth on the defense for Rex, someone who actually knows how to coach. If we had the equivalent of Holmes and Edwards on the defense we might’ve actually had a decent chance of winning this one.
schottenheimer
The biggest difference between the two teams is the offensive play calling. The patriots coordinator consistently puts players in a position to succeed. Schotty cares way too much about putting people in motion pre snap than he does about exploiting matchups we should be dominating. Its the reason we have had to come from behind several times this year instead of blowing out inferior teams. A few years ago the patriots threw 25 consecutive passes because it was so effective. Sometimes our running game looks unstoppable, yet we choose that as the time to throw on first and second down and kill a drive. Without a change in play calling it will be impossible for the offense to live up to its potential.
by ghepburn13 on Dec 7, 2010 12:31 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
agreed
we went away from shonn greene even though he seemed to be in a groove early on. schotty has to go.
agreed
the guy is too full of himself and isn’t playing to the strengths of his players. You can’t have such talent on the offensive side and get stifled that badly by such a mediocre/average at best defense. Braylon has size, Holmes has speed, Keller is a beast, so where are the mismatch plays?
Schotteneimer...
Is this team’s single biggest weakness. (Lack of a real pass rusher is the other one. Taylor is, unfortunately, a has-been.)
any other team
he would have been fired long ago.
Unfortunately Woody, Rex, and the staff have such a high level of affection for him that they allow him to remain and effectively neuter a great team, week in and out.
I can name minimum 15 posters on GGN who know relatively nothing about football systems and STILL could have called several straight weeks of better offensive plays just off of their experience playing Madden and watching games as a fan.
I WISH that were an exaggeration.
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No complaints here about the use of challenges by Rex Ryan. It looked to me like Mark Sanchez got the first down on the second effort on his sneak. I think the officials ruled that his knee hit the ground, but I think they blew the call.
Absolutely a bad call. It showed, just like the Ravens game, Ryan was so tightly wound he didn’t want to surrender a single battle to the Pats. It was a bad call because you have no idea how valuable either timeouts or field position was going to be, and you simply do not push your chips to the middle of the table so soon. There is no way that the coaches KNEW that that it was a first down, officials don’t like to reverse themselves in position calls unless it is obvious. The risk/reward was unacceptable. Following this with a FG attempt in windy conditions basically gave the field position game away and put the Jets behind the 8 ball.
Against big opponents Ryan gets so amped up he loses track of the game and thinks he has to win every moment. This simply was not one of those moments. Kick the ball, try to pin the Pats, and get the ball back in good position. This was a bad call, even if they got it reversed. As they said, you save challenges for scoring type plays, not mid-field 1st downs.
Letting folk try the 53 yarder was just stupid.
listen, nothing went well for the jets. Even their usually solid punter crapped himself. Move on. Win next week and we’ll see the Pats in the playoffs
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Dec 7, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
What I would do
Replace Schotty and Folk.
I’d keep Pool on the bench most defensive snaps and use Dig and Lowery more. They looked awful at times too but with the weakness at safety we have no choice. I think phasing Pool out could really help. He doesn’t cover well, he doesn’t play the slot or any situation well, he’s oft-injured, and he misses tackles.
I can’t overstate how much missed tackles are killing this team.
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I would also deep six the tiger cat and lean on Braylon for the rest of the year in receiving drills.
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I thought he would finally throw out of it today
but I agree might as well get rid of it if we’re gonna do the same exact thing everytime ad only pick up 1-2 yards
Yeah.
I was waiting for the throw too and then… nothing. That formation is a joke without the threat of a pass.
Maybe we're saving it for the playoff like last year
and we have to keep it fresh in everybody’s memory that all we do is run lol if thats the case i still say put it on the shelf til then
Saving it is a waste...
It’s just plain more effective all around when we pass now and then with it. Once a year is not enough.
Totally agree BUT
knwoing our OC we’ll see it at least 3 times per game for the rest of the season lol
I dislike Folk's inconsistency as much as anyone
But don’t you get that vibe that he’s going to pull a Garrett Hartley?
Screw us over in the regular season and become our hero in the playoffs (which, by the way, we are still practically guaranteed)…
I don’t know if I do, maybe it’s just wishful thinking.
But let’s not forget – the Saints were an even more snakebitten team than we were until last year’s miracle
Apparently Denver wants Kubiak after this year
which will probably make Texans fans happy at least.
But I think it removes our best shot at getting rid of Schotty.
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Maybe we can get norv turner if they dont make the playoff or get knock out the 1st round
Rex could keep his ground and pound and we could get something out of our passing game cuz this is ridiculous
I dunno...
Maybe the Texans will take Schotty as a result of our win over them!
And can someone just hire Gruden already so MNF can stop sucking?
+1
Gruden belongs on a field coaching players, not in front of a captive (or in this case, tortured) audience.
Actually...
He belongs riding the coattails of good coaches and getting credit for being much better than he is. I don’t respect him as a coach either. I really, really, really just totally loathe the man and just wish he would go away. (Or… coach the Pats. That would be cool.)
That was painful to watch.
I saw the team like they were asleep in the begining of the game.
-Revis on Welker did not work, the Pats knew it was comming and they had plays ready, Welker in the backfeild just to get Revis into the middle of the pack, then they run or pass into the vacant space.
-Leonard makes tackles…Tonight we could not make tackles?
-BB going for 4th down up by 40 points inside of feild goal range in the 4th quater… and converting then a TD, translation Suck this Rexy!
-The good news is that it is just a regular season game and I always believe that you learn more in a loss the in a victory, if that holds true tonight should count for a whole semester. I want the Jets to get a chance to avenge this loss in the playoffs!
-Nick Folk will be fired this week, those kickoffs were way to short plus the Air ball fg he kicked.
-There is something about a long time between games equals a sloppy and unprepaired team. The gameplan was bad on both sides of the ball.
-I wanna go to sleep and act like this never happened
by Vegas Jets Fan on Dec 7, 2010 1:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
-There is something about a long time between games equals a sloppy and unprepaired team. The gameplan was bad on both sides of the ball.
Both teams had the same amount of time off. The time off says something about both teams, and coaching staffs.
Woe to the Jets if they ever get to the Super Bowl, they simply don’t know how to prepare to play at a high level given more time to prepare. Instead more time seems to mean more confusion.
by ________key on Dec 7, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is completely true, and baffling
my best guess is that Schotty has too much time to think and the offense greatly suffers.
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You're in Vegas?
Dude, shoot me an email. So am I. (Check my profile.) I’m looking for people to watch the games with.
-BB going for 4th down up by 40 points inside of feild goal range in the 4th quater… and converting then a TD, translation Suck this Rexy!
That, and I don’t think Belichick trusts the kicker. At all. Belichick didn’t like going for 45-yard FGs even when Stephen Gostkoski was active, and Gost is a Pro Bowl talent. Shayne Graham’s an awful street free agent who missed a PAT in his first game for the Pats.
Wes Welker’s a better kicker than Graham (no, really: Welker’s 100% on XPATs this season).
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
-Revis on Welker did not work, the Pats knew it was comming and they had plays ready, Welker in the backfeild just to get Revis into the middle of the pack, then they run or pass into the vacant space.
That’s not true. It worked maybe once if that. Welker did the vast majority of his damage against somebody other than Revis.
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welker DID lineup at RB I believe a couple plays.
But I will agree that the majority of damage was on someone else.
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I thought Bart Scott would had more of an impact
helping people get lined up since he was in the system and came over with rex
Same mental almost every game that cost us a timeout
Even thought it wasnt needed this game. We always seem to have a play where we have too many men on the field and i was amazed when we did the opposite and didnt have enough men on the field. I actually had to laugh when seein thomas sprint from the sidelines to get in position
One thing I have to add
The block-in-the-back call on Brad Smith was bogus. IMO.
Yeah, it was.
The officiating was crap tonight anyway. That spot on the first drive was a total joke and the list goes on.
Whyyyyyyyyyy
is it like that every game? I would like just ONE game where at least 90% of the calls were just and true, much like our noble leader John!
yes john b for OC we are not worthy we must all bow for the creator of GGN and our savior of the offense
Gang green nation!
fire schotty and lets go get a goddamn snack!
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 7, 2010 4:38 AM EST up reply actions
Not so much. He sure wasn't in front of him and seemed to make contact
causing the player to fall forward. That were a few really bad calls and non calls including a clear hold on that PI call where I think Devito was pushed in the back but also pulled to the ground by a falling lineman with two hands.
But alas, where would have last by only 35 without that, so it’s moot.
A few thoughts...
Blowouts, particularly in the NFL, always look worse than they are. Once a team doesn’t feel like it can win it turns into a steamroller, especially with a team like the Pats who are the disciplined type that simply do not let up.
We did look bad basically all over the place and, combined with the bad luck and the bad calls it just got out of control. It’s not the end of the world. This is a good team it just has some problems. I’ll get to those in a moment.
I’m also in the Nick Folk has got to go camp. His kickoffs were a complete joke and then some. We need a new kicker. I don’t even care about clutch at this point so much as I care about a guy who can make decent kickoffs and just put in average field goals. I miss Feely—a lot.
I don’t want to hear anybody killing Sanchez over this game. He’s a second year kid—and I emphasize KID—who is still short on experience. He’s going to have bad games. Flacco still gets the “young QB” pass, so does Sanchez. He’s playing great for what he has and I think he’s going to be a force to be reckoned with in another couple years. Until then, we’re going to often live and die by his ups and downs. Deal with it. I don’t want to hear anyone else screaming to bench him. That’s just ridiculous at this point. Even if we did, is anyone here really wanting to see Brunell or Clemens in? No.
Now, our biggest weaknesses:
1. Brian Schotteneimer is a suck ass offensive coordinator. I don’t think I need to enumerate the reasons at this point. I really hope we make a change their in the offseason. My biggest worry about us doing good this year was that it would solidify his place as our OC.
2. Preparation. I don’t know what we’re doing wrong, but the more time we have to prepare it seems the worse we play. Rex keeps defending what he does but come on man, the proof is in the pudding.
3. Our kicking game. It sucks. Folk’s kickoffs suck and I hold my breath every time he kicks for the goal post (even on PATs). Earlier in the season we were winning the field position battles. Now, we’re having issues.
4. Slow adjustments. I don’t think we make changes fast enough. It often feels like it comes too late.
And yes, drop the “Same Old Jets” BS, because it’s just that. We lost. It happens. If we end up with a 9-7 record then MAYBE you can say it, but the sky ain’t even close to falling yet.
Once a team doesn’t feel like it can win it turns into a steamroller, especially with a team like the Pats who are the disciplined type that simply do not let up.
This says it all. One team doesn’t let up.
Yeah but...
We’ve played plenty of games where we didn’t give up. We really had a cloud over our head this game. These things happen. (And I’m not ever impressed with a team that runs up the score.)
Also...
While I virtually never hope for any player to get hurt, I really hope Brady gets hurt in one of these games where they do this. Watching them play Tennessee last year was another game I was hoping he got hurt. It’s just a disgrace. Go for it on 4th, really? Keep taking shots down the field? I really feel like the Ravens game last year is the kind of karma that comes when you play like that. Hopefully, we deliver our own in the play offs.
I respect Brady as a great player and Belichick as a cold, methodical coach who knows how to win. However, nothing is going to make me like either of them and I’d stop cheering for the Jets if we ever took either of them for any reason (not that such a thing is even within the realm of reality(.
Go for it on 4th, really?
Bel. was just saying to Rex “shut your big mouth”.
It wasn’t like the Jets even came close to imposing a punishment. If you don’t want a team to run it up, stop them.
Since when does Rex play the victim?
by ________key on Dec 7, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I echoed the same words earlier. At the end of the day, we should have been able to stop them. However… how they played it tells me a lot about them too. It’s a douche move. It just is. Their game against Tennessee last year was completely classless.
This is not new to BB in the least
He plays full on to the whistle. He plays how Rex talks.
by ________key on Dec 7, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Pats also don't trust their kicker, at all
That 41-yarder was by far the longest attempt they’ve entrusted to Shayne Graham. It’s justified distrust; he missed a point after touchdown in his first game, and has looked wobbly ever since.
4th down conversion attempt vs. wobbly FG? Belichick’s already a fan of going for it.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
if you'd said Bills game 2007 . . .
I would have agreed with you on running up the score if you’d alluded to that game from ‘07. But last year the Tennessee game was a function of bad weather and a very bad Titans team. Brady threw 4 TD’s in the first half. 2 of them the receiver was not only wide open, but had no one between him and the endzone. What should he have done? Just fallen down so the defense could catch up?
In the second half Brady played only 1 series because the Pats opened the half with the ball. If the pats hadn’t, I doubt Brady would have gotten another offensive series. And again the receiver was alone without a defender between him and the end zone. Brady checks out of the game after that and doesn’t play another snap.
If they were still throwing touchdown passes in 4th I’d agree with the “running up the score argument” or if Brady had thrown more than like 4 passes in the second half, again I’d be willing to agree with you. But the score in that Titans game was inflated because the Titans were that bad in a sloppy, messy, icey, gross game.
I am not saying that Bellicheck is a nice guy. Or friendly. Or warm. But saying that he ran up the score in a game where he didn’t run up the score and using that as proof that he’s a douche I will argue against.
He knows not his own strength that hath not met adversity.
Rex tried to play mind games
with his silly challenge at mid-field. He just got mind-games back in his face.
I dont think you waste a challege that early in the game
for mind games I thought he made it too from the angle they were showing and we were on the move
You don’t challenge a position call unless it is completely OBVIOUS (to EVERYONE), which this was not, especially at mid-field. Ridiculous challenge, especially because he was going to go for it on 4th down.
Well with our challenges in the past few games
this really wasnt a surprise was it
I had a lot of respect for brady too
but after seeing him continue to throw it after the game was over and going for it on 4th down i couldnt help but hope for the same thing
I guess bullies don’t like to be bullied. Rex has a bully mentality, he just got what he dishes out. Unless talk is cheap.
by ________key on Dec 7, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I completely disagree.
There is a wide chasm between being a bully and being a boisterous guy with trust and confidence in your players.
I guess time will tell, but I’ll bet Ryan wouldn’t have gone for it on 4th and inches and would have just taken the FG.
There is a wide chasm between being a bully and being a boisterous guy with trust and confidence in your players.
His entire defensive philosophy is a bully philosophy, not only in how it talks it, in how he calls it. He wants to beat you into the ground. If its 2nd and 20, he wants it to be 3 and 40. He’s had to draw back the blitz because teams have figured it out and started beating it on 3rd down (all year), but if he had it his way he would bully offenses into submission. There is nothing wrong with that, other than there are problems trying to control games where such blitzing huge isn’t working, in other words when teams are no longer bullied.
Still disagree...
I don’t see Ryan as a bully. I don’t get the vibe from him. I don’t even see it in his talk. Being dominant is not the same as bullying. It just isn’t.
Being dominant is crushing a team in the first half with everything you’ve got on every play.
Being a bully is continuing to sack the QB when they’re down 30 points with 5 minutes left just because you can. I’m sorry, but I just don’t see Ryan doing that. (Not that he’ll ever have the chance so long as BS is our OC.)
Being dominant is not the same as bullying. It just isn’t.
Bullying is when you do GREAT when dominating someone, but when you don’t know what to do when you get smacked back. This team have a very hard time when people smack them back.
Everything Ryan talks is about being a tough guy, but frankly this team only displays “tough guy” characteristics when they are on top.
(And i don’t mean “bully” in some pejorative sense.) I mean it in the sense of false toughness, and false bravado.
All right. I get that. I always use the term “bully” in a completely negative way so I get what you’re saying.
I guess I wasn't clear.
Its just that real tough guys get tougher when hit, and bullies actually fold because they rely on intimidation. There is something about the Jets that STILL relies on intimidation, and has some problems when they can’t intimidate.
Being a bully is continuing to sack the QB when they’re down 30 points with 5 minutes left just because you can.
Saying this makes you sound like you understand literally nothing about competitive sport.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Dec 7, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I really don’t care they kept throwing in the 4th quarter we deserved it with the way we played. I am sure they wanted to send a message on MNF
In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
They use their short passing game as an extension of their run game
Throwing to Welker is basically a handoff. Hell, one of his passes basically was a handoff – that shovel pass thing to Woodhead that went for 50 yards was basically a rugby pass, except it’s counted as a 50-yard reception because the pass was (just) forward.
If Woodhead had caught that one foot further towards the Patriot goal-line, then it would’ve been a toss run play, Brady would only have thrown for 250 yards and the Pats would’ve run for 150+ yards.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Going for it on 4th down
is not running up the score. Going for it gives the D a chance to stop you. Kicking the field goal would be running up the score.
Would you give a man a foot massage?
by insertscreenname on Dec 7, 2010 3:36 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
I’m not sure if you’re aware of NFL Tiebreakers, but Margin of Victory is one of them. This is the NFL. There is no such thing as “Running it Up.”
BB would have run this game up even if there were no tie-breaking
He was sending a message, especially with a young team. He was showing them, and the Jets, what throat stepping is.
Perhaps.
It’s also possible that he was trying to give his young defense the confidence of only allowing 3 points. Had they not gone for it on 4th down, they wouldn’t have milked the clock as much, giving the Jets more time for a touchdown.
No.
Just confidence for the young defense. I don’t know how much you’ve watched them, but they’ve played great for 3 1/2 Quarters before, but then the offense goes conservative and has several 3 and Outs in a row, next thing you know the defense has allowed another 2-3 TD’s. I’m just saying, by keeping the offense on the field, it kept the defense fresh, and able to hold onto the low score.
The Pats routinely go for it on 4th down on the opponents side of the field. The odds of getting a short (less than 4 yds) 4th down are really high for teams that go for it consistently. Bellicheck has a few 4th downs that didn’t go well that get a lot of press. But he does it a lot, even against weak teams.
Here’s the logic that I see from it. If you kick and miss the kick, that is the same as if you run/pass for it and don’t convert. So then you’re comparing how likely you think you are to get the kick as compared to how likely you are to get the 1st down. Because those are the numbers you have to compare from a game theory standpoint. And in a very very windy stadium I like Tom Brady’s odds of connecting a 3 yard pass better than Shayne Grahm hitting a 40+ yard field goal.
I’m a Pats fan, I acknowledge this willingly. But I’m also a football fan. And I’m going to do my best to make sure I don’t say anything unfair.
He knows not his own strength that hath not met adversity.
Yea ive seen em get man handled in the 4th I was looking forward
to at least another FG lol
I suppose it's all perspective.
I’m sure to opposing teams, it would seem like running it up, and it possibly was. To me, I saw it as a way to keep the D fresh and off the field.
While I virtually never hope for any player to get hurt, I really hope Brady gets hurt in one of these games where they do this. Watching them play Tennessee last year was another game I was hoping he got hurt. It’s just a disgrace.
Keeping it classy.
Go for it on 4th, really?The Patriots trust their current kicker (Pro Bowler Stephen Gostkowski’s on IR) even less than the Jets trust Nick Folk. For good reason – Shayne Graham missed an XPAT in his first game in a Pats uniform, and every FG and extra point attempt he’s attempted thus far is a held-breath for Pats fans. They might as well go for it on 4th down, because he’s just not worth a FG attempt.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 7, 2010 5:25 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Had to run up the score
You guys beat the Pats pretty badly week 2. If it boils down to a playoff spot/homefield on game scores, then the Pats needed an edge.
Yea Ill Hit You Up
Add this to a weakness, I copied it from one of the Jets writers on ESPN,
-Outcoached: Ryan set a bad tone on the decisions. On a fourth-and-1 from his 46, he challenged a questionable spot. That was no time to use a replay challenge. He lost (he’s 3-for-9 in challenges) and wound up going for it anyway. On the same drive, Ryan opted to try a 53-yard field goal into swirling wind. Nick Folk missed badly, giving Tom Brady a short field. Ryan coached as if he was trying to win the game on the first series instead of showing patience and managing the game properly. Was he trying to send a message to Bill Belichick? Sure looked like it. Was he trying to send a message to Bil Belichick? Sure looked like it.
by Vegas Jets Fan on Dec 7, 2010 1:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was thinking this too
If McDaniels can make Orton look a pro bowler and Brandon Lloyd look like Jerry Rice, maybe there’s some hope there. But, I wouldn’t change coordinators mid season. Next year, I would love to see Schotty gone.
One of the worst games I can remember
that was just an effing beat down. The team should really have to hitch hike back to NY. The coaches, too. I really don’t get what the hell Schotty is doing sometimes. Sanchez sucked, yes, but why is so much of our offense contigent on 3 yard outs, dump downs to the backs and crossing patterns? His strength is throwing it deep. It’s our receiver’s strength. Not one pass was thrown deep until the game was way out of hand. So many plays make no sense. A run on 2nd and 6 in the second quarter that loses 5 yards, when they needed to be passing it. A QB sneak on 3rd and 2? Yeah, they got it on 4th, but it’s idiotic to qb sneak with 2 yards to go. The wild cat gets brought out, then the Pats call timeout, so we take it away? And if they were going to go into the hurry up at the end of the 2nd quarter, they should call a time out when it’s 3rd and 25 for the Pats. Yeah, the D was giving up big conversions all night, but at that point, it’s crucial to get a score before the end of the half, and they blow the clock management.
As mentioned in the well written recap, you can’t rush 3 and 4 guys at Brady and expect good results. They don’t have the talent on the D line for that. It’s not like that’s news, we have no really good pass rushers. Ellis is a gamer, but over the hill, and Taylor is even worse.
This was just a perfect storm of bad play and piss poor strategy all night. Refs also refused to call anything on the Pats all night. Not the reason they lost at all, of course, but there were some holds missed and the cheap shot on Keller, another on Sanchez and several missed blocks in the back on a few returns. Again, no excuses, but it contributed to the lopsided score.
In a way, I’m glad this team got its ass kicked and got humbled, because they’ve never been nearly as good as they think they are. I just wish it wasn’t the goddamn Patsies that gave them the whupping.
That refereeing team is one of the least flag-friendly crews in the NFL
You play to the referee, and that crew likes keeping their flags in their pockets. If they’re going to let things slide, it’s in your best interest to really push the envelope. I’m not sure if Rex would’ve researched that, but I’d bet you dollars-to-dimes that Belichick knew that refereeing team let certain penalties slide.
Belichick is something like 23-1 after coming off a bye-week, and this was basically a bye-week because of the extended break. Belichick prepares ridiculously well when he’s got time.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
U sure Welker didn't do well against revis???
Welker caught a lot of passes, and I have seen Cro on Branch A LOT more than Revis…
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
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Revis was not on Welker nearly enough
and most of Welker’s big catches were all against some weird ass zone they were playing. Often it was on Bart Scott, who has no business on him. If somehow winning by 42 isn’t enough for you, and you need to feel like your boy Welker dominated Revis, go for it. But that’s not what happened. And btw, do you know what Schadenfrude is? But, that’s why you are on this board, and it’s sad.
Honest question.
Do you guys as Jets fans wish you had Woody over McKnight? I know it seems like an obvious answer, given production. However, I don’t know how Woody would do in Shotty’s offense. Would he just be a waste of a roster spot?
No one...
And I mean NO ONE is going to be good in Schotty’s offense. He’s the only OC I know who SPECIFICALLY designs his offense to be as ineffective as possible. He puts a lot of time into figuring out the BEST way to neutralize the talent at his disposal.
LOL!
Well, maybe you guys will end up with McD next year. As I said in a previous post, I doubt BB will have him back, due to the success of the current offense. Plus, I think BB has realized he does prefer the dink and dunk ball control offense as opposed to McD’s high flying passing offense. With the Jets Defense though, McD’s Offense might very well be extremely good for your team.
Maybe we should make schotty our DC
cause he seems pretty good at ruining offenses lol
by JetsFan718 on Dec 7, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ha!
He seems pretty good at drawing up trick plays though. Maybe you could keep him on as a consultant for the tom-foolery stuff.
Haven't seen enough of McKnight to know
so it’s hard to tell. They don’t have faith in him obviously. It’s also probably that Woody would not have seen much of the field with the Jets. They are content with Green and LT. But the big play has been lacking, so I think it makes sense to give McKight some touches.
True.
The Jets benefit more from actual “running backs.” The Patriots in general substitute draws and short passes for their running game in most cases, so Woody is a better fit. What about Thomas Jones, do you guys regret letting him go? LT seems to be wearing down as the season goes on.
We need a running game too. This type of offense can't afford to be one-dimensional.
Law Firm(Ben jarvis green Ellis) is better than people give him credit for, and is a good compliment to woody.
We need those runs, even if he only gets one, to set up play action and such.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Benny plays well.
It’s nice to see someone at least breaking tackles compared to Maroney. I suppose maybe I’m being greedy wishing for an explosive back like AP or Foster.
Well..
…Woodhead wasn’t the problem, the Jets themselves were the problem and have been since the Packer’s lost. The offense stinks and plays down to the level of defense they play, but rarely up.
It seems like your Defense does as well.
Last year your Defense was lights out. It seems like this year they let teams like the Lions/Bengals stay in the game more than they should. It’s still an excellent defense, however I’m unsure what has changed since last year?
kerry rhodes???
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
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I guess?
I didn’t think much of him last year, but considering about the only other option is Lito Sheppard, I suppose Rhodes would be the bigger loss.
I agree
He was good in coverage and thats something we’re lacking from our current safeties. I didnt agree with that trade even tho he hits like a 8 yr old girl
Rhodes was a good safety imo.
I thought that was not a good trade at all either, unless you guys had someone I didn;t know about.
but hey, you guys still have a top 5 defense imo.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
And I do mean that.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Trade Proposal.
We’ll send you Brandon Meriweather, you send us Revis, 1st Rd. Pick, and D’Brick. Your Safety problem will be solved.
WHAT???? NOO!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe Sanders….
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
eh.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Not trading meriweather. sorry. lol
sanders and a 3rd or 4th. Maybe someone else as well….
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
I guess we could throw in Shayne Graham.
Just to sweeten the deal. I don’t even think Hoodie would turn this deal down!
Haha!
Fine we’ll throw in Jonathan Wilhite and a 7th Rd. pick in 2013.
I dont even think
that would get him excited. All the commentators were excited before the game cause they thought they saw him smile
Maybe he has dentures
and is ashamed of them. Hence, no smiling.
Honestly
They would be used the same way aka not at all except on special teams
I'm agreeing with David here PG2
Revis wasn’t on him all game. Some weird stuff happened that linebacker was on him during most of his catches, which is a terrible mismatch against the speedy, shifty Welker.
Revis did a hell of a job all night. Just can’t cover everyone.
I as actually asking an honest question. Not trying to call anyone out. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
what are you talking about? I'm not here to troll.
You guys made an observation, and I just wanted a short discussion about it. I know it’s a tough loss, but relax on me okay? jesus.
it did look like you guys were playing a lot of zone. I don’t know if revis dominated welker, or vice versa. I personally haven;t seen them one on one all game to get a better idea of who would win the matchup.
Definitely some weird things on your defenses part, but with the amount of weapons the pats had, you would see a LB covering Woodhead one on one, and thats not a good thing. Or even Herndo.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
in my last paragraph
I was talking about if you guys played man coverage.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Well you're asking "are you sure?" q
Did you not watch the game? Did you actually see him get a bunch of catches on Revis? No, you didn’t? Ok, you’re not trolling, but why are you on a Jets board after a 45 to 3 victory? Why not go to the Pats board? Honestly ask yourself that question.
Because... I am here to discuss football. As cliche or stupid as it sounds, that's why I'm here. to discuss the game.
I can’t see EVERYTHING on the field. That’s why I ask questions, and talk to other about it.
Would it be ANY different if I’m on here, and the pats lost? seriously, I talk on other teams boards all the time after the game(even after a loss) and you are the only one complaining. Give me a break man, I’m not here to rub anything in.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
by patriotguy2 on Dec 7, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I often find more info by talking on the other team's blog. more insight I guess.
Nothing wrong with that.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
additional insight is a better way to say it.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
patriotguy2 isn't trolling
You’re just being overly sensitive. He’s just discussing the game.
by OldJetsFanatic on Dec 7, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Brady's too good to test Revis when he has ideal matchups elsewhere
If he has a choice of Cromartie on Branch, or Brodney Poole on Gronkowski, or DeVito on Woodhead, or Welker on Revis, only an idiot would opt for the latter.
It’s not saying that Welker could or couldn’t get around Revis. It’s just that Woodhead sure as hell can burn DeVito.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
All I know is...
now I cant watch Nfl Network til thursday cause of this lol
Change
Change must begin with the offensive philosophy of the offense. But first. Sanchez has to throw the ball on target and the Jets’ receiver have to catch the fuckin’ ball. They let the worse defending team in the division completely take them out of their game plan.
That said, Schottenheimer simply isn’t up to the job. As poorly as the defense played tonight, nothing would help out more than to keep them off the field. These 3 and outs not only waste the offenses time, but does nothing in the way of clock killing and possession. It seems as if nothing this cat calls work. Too many time the Jets lined up bunch with three receivers and couldn’t get a pass off or would run right up the middle into the already crowded box.
This offense is poorly designed, badly executed and completely predictable.
I think shotty sucks alos but Sanchez sucke3d bad with accuracy, an OC can’t do much if the plays you call are not connecting because of a mis throw or a WR drop. but so0me of is [play calls were dumb.
In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Sanchez just needs to adapt to cold weather a little more. Brady has always been a pretty good cold weather QB. Sanchez hadn’t played a game colder than 50 before last year. So he just needs to get a few more of those under his belt. Then the accuracy issues will improve.
Also worth noting. He had 3 passes that were “underthrown” in the game. And all 3 were picks. It’s really unusual for that percentage of underthrows to be INTs. That’s not gonna hapen every game.
He knows not his own strength that hath not met adversity.
Maybe schotty will call slants all day at MIA
since that seems to be the only play we get decent recieving yards
Laugh now BUT remember you heard it here 1st lol
so dont be surprised if you actually see it
Braylon Edwards: Couldn’t come up with a pair of balls in the first half that killed drives. Neither was a gimme, but a guy seeking a big contract needs to come down with both.
I doubt he will get a “big contract”. That will be in Santonio Holmes’ hands when all’s said and done.
Though it might be a moot point since we could end up letting Cro walk ’cause I was NOT impressed with him getting burned by Branch over and over again.
If THAT is what we’d be getting from Cro against the Playoff Teams, then just re-sign both Holmes and Edwards and try something else….
Though it might be a moot point since we could end up letting Cro walk ’cause I was NOT impressed with him getting burned by Branch over and over again
I said prior that I thought Cromartie might have trouble with Branch, but not quite that much trouble. Cromartie handled Moss in game 1, but put a shifty WR under his nose and get gets all cross-legged and ties himself up like a pretzel.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Cro is bump and run kind of corner. He’s good against wide outs that are of the Moss or Johnson kind of vein. But he’s really poor against quick route kind of receivers. It’s just who Cro is. Revis is the same kind of corner he’s just much much better against route runners.
Cromartie honestly didn’t add that much to the Jets defense. He can’t cover tight ends and he’s weak on slot guys. And those have been the Jets biggest problems on D all year.
He knows not his own strength that hath not met adversity.
look plain and simple it was schotty who brought the whole team down
the defense would of been better if we would have scored and dominated like we should off against that D running on obvious pass situation and passing on obvious run situations? what the hell is he smoking? i mean my god how hard is it to call regular plays my 1yr old son would have done a better job and the sad thing is he actually could. he doesnt deserve to be allowed back in the jets facility after this horrible performance i blame all this on him if you keep the pats off the field by doing what REAL OC does and actually play call in real time not go as planned maybe we can score a fuckin touchdown with all the weapons we have i mean every OC must be drooling staring at all the weapons we have im sorry but woody johnson has to step up because rex will NOT do it thats his bud and we need a change and nows the time be for he brings this team down as he has been all 3 games that we have lost is on him.
Gang green nation!
we won the f*#&ing game now lets go get a goddamn snack!
the loss maybe a good thing
our only losses this season have come when we have more then normal rest the jets lost the 1st game of the year the game after the bye week and now a game after 11 days rest this may be a blessing in disguise we seem to play very very bad after long rest like we forget that we are playing a game we look lost so maybe we get the wild card now and dont get that extra rest and win out who knows the only thing that scares me is after watching all the games this season is we dont have a pass rush and without it i dont care who is in the secondary your not going to stop anyone if you dont rattle the qb Brady especially.
as for mondays game the defense of game plan was all wrong. Revis should have been welkers shadow every play not just most plays. we should have gone without a safty and played both lowery and wilson instead. Wilson mans up one on one with the te cromartie on branch and lowery on the other te with help have one lb preferably scott covering the rb out of the back feild and the rest rush and get after Brady. Giving a 5 man rush cause 4 just wasnt cutting it. As for the offence Mark is young and really doesnt play well in the cold so protect him by running the ball with the big bruising back you have in green using the best assest of the team their offensive line mixing in some short passes of 15yards of less because the pats are the worse team in covering them. You have cotery in the slot doing little slants and square-ins while still using the man that beat the pats early in the year keller to expose the young lb’s. edwards could go deep and holmes mix it up with some deep and short. There was noway they could double everyone and mark could have gone to the one on one match up all day. But everything should have been set up off of greene pounding the ball in the very cold weather letting the oline do what it does best.
Too Much Hype, Too Little Focus
I had been growing increasingly worried over the past several weeks that the Jets weren’t nearly as good as they were pretending to be. The constant struggles against sub-par teams coupled with their losses to two good (but not great) teams ……. was bothering me. I was hoping against hope that the Jets would step up in this big game and show their true colors. Instead ….. it was far worse than I could have imagined.
This team needs to refocus on what it takes to beat good teams and quit with the “feel good” environment all the time boasting about how they expect to be in the Super Bowl. Right now they are a slightly above average team that has proven very little during the regular season. They have a young QB who shows some promise but, as evidenced the last few weeks, also shows that he is nowhere near being even a top 10 QB in the league. And ….. their defense is overrated.
Eric Smith couldn't cover my grandmother.
First thing I don’t want to hear: “The Jets really missed Jim Leohnard tonight.” One player did not make the difference tonight. I have a tough time believing Leonhard even makes the play when Eric Smith got flagged. It probably would have gone for a touchdown because Leonhard is too small to win a jump ball in that spot.
Any safety with an iota of coverage skill would’ve not only not been flagged, but probably would have intercepted what was a horribly underthrown pass that actually hit Smith in the foot. Leonhard would not have had to outjump anybody! Frankly, Smith played a completely brainless game of football. He sucked. Plain and simple. And I’m not at all surprised as he’s sucked in coverage all year. We’re really going to have to find someone who can cover a TE or we’re in big trouble.
Maybe the ball hit Smith in the foot because he tackled Gronkowski before the ball got there.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Dec 7, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
This was a complete team loss from the coaches to the players
Both the offensive and defensive coaching were simply horrible. With the exception of Holmes, Revis and Greene, there was a total failure in execution on offense, defense and special teams. The loss of Leonhard didn’t help, but we were losing this game even if he would have been healthy. We were completely dominated by the coaching and execution of the Patriots. No excuses. Sanchez was simply horrible in this game making bad throws and bad decisions. There’s just no sugar coating it. How the Jets respond to it will define what happens in the post season. They can either use it as motivation to fix the problems or let it ruin the rest of the season. Next week will be a good indicator of whether or not to make vacation plans in January.
I gotta say --
more than scheme, more than mood, I think it was dropped balls that hurt you guys more than anything. There were a fistful of key, drive-killing drops last night that put things off schedule and would have made a huge difference in the rhythm of the game.
I think that when Rex reviews the film he’s going to be pretty critical of himself — and his defense — but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. This is a good team you have here and I expect we’ll see each other again soon (in fact, I hope so).
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
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