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The Fake Franchise Quarterback


You see me use this space to praise an upcoming opponent so often that there are times you likely confuse me with Jon Gruden. Now let me tell you about an opposing player I think is vastly overrated.

New York Post basketball writer Peter Vescey coined the term "fake franchise player" to describe a guy incorrectly perceived as elite. Chris Webber and Jermaine O'Neal were two of his favorite examples. These guys have tons of talent and put up big numbers. These guys get a lot of publicity. Teams built around them underachieve, though. I think of two quarterbacks in the NFL as fake franchise quarterbacks in the same mold. One is Tony Romo. The other is Sunday's opponent, Jay Cutler.

Cutler puts up numbers. He has a 4,000 yard season and a pair of 25 touchdown campaigns to his name. Great, right? His victory last night put him a single game over .500 in his career as a starter at 34-33.

Despite the title "franchise quarterback" so many have given him, Cutler has not won a single Playoff game. In fact, this will be the first time in his five year career that he has so much as made the Playoffs. That probably is because of his 10-12 career mark in the December's that have eliminated his team from contention. Cutler has led his offenses to a mediocre 21.9 points per game in these December games, not abysmal but hardly franchise quarterback worthy. He has 23 interceptions in these games. Surely quarterbacks are not the only reason a team wins or loses, but elite quarterbacks do much better in big spots, allowing their teams to win more games.

Part of the quarterback position is inherently leadership. Guys in the huddle and in the locker room look to a quarterback to be able to battle through any kind of adversity. What was the biggest adversity of Cutler's career?  It probably came in 2008 as Cutler's team blew a 3 game division lead with 3 to play. That includes a Week 16 home game against a Bills team that had lost 7 of 8. Cutler posted a 72 quarterback rating and tossed a key fourth quarter interception. He tossed a pair of interceptions the next week in a no show loss at San Diego with the season on the line.

That offseason, a new coach considered trading him. When Cutler got word, he demanded a trade and would not communicate with his owner. Franchise quarterbacks are not supposed to be flustered by anything. This guy's skin was so thin that he threw a temper tantrum and hit the road the second word leaked about his team thinking about going in a different direction. That's not really the way a franchise quarterback handles adversity. If that flustered him so, can anybody really have faith in him in hostile territory needing to go 80 yards for a game tying touchdown with 3:00 left in a Playoff game? That is the test of a franchise quarterback.

People can change and get better. Perhaps that will happen with Cutler. Perhaps he will develop into a franchise quarterback as soon as this year. Perhaps he will even torch the Jets this Sunday. Until that happens, though, the phrase "franchise quarterback" should not be mentioned in the same sentence unless separated by the words "is not a."

I begged the Jets not to try and trade for him at the time. I was thrilled when they did not. Mark Sanchez might not have the same track record, but I'd take his potential based on his work ethic and attitude over a fake franchise quarterback every time.

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ugh I don’t like this post at all

In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Dec 21, 2010 10:48 PM EST reply actions  

If Franchise means elite QBs there is only a handful in the league (Manning Brady Rivers B Ben Brees the new Vick I guess). Than there are QBs you can build around. Cutler has a bad o line and terrible mechanics but has survived on raw talent. If he gets the mechanics fixed he has more talent than just about every QB in the league.

In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Dec 21, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, when I was reading this article this is exactly what I was thinking.

The criteria for “franchise” quarterback is so overblown here as very few franchises are built around their QB. Heck ours is built around our D and seemed to be behind our running game last year. While Cutler is a tool, see his off the field crying last year, he has suffered from some terrible downsides on the teams he’s been on.

In Denver he had no defense what-so-ever and in Chicago as BL3ACH put it has no offensive line. He also has very mediocre to poor receivers on the Bears. It’s pretty much raw speed in their WR Corps.

If you’re the criteria listed here was for “Franchise QBs” it doesn’t appear we have even close to one as Sanchez has a “at least” good D, offensive line, running game, and receivers, and is not putting up great stats.

by Timmaht on Dec 22, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Maybe I’m a “same old jets fan” meaning I still believe in karma, jinxes, hexes, and other mystical unexplained phenomina that contribute to late season meltdowns, but a post like this winds up with Cutler throwing 400 yards and staging a 2 minute drill TD for the win. Not saying John B would be to blame (ok, maybe a little) but in the back of your mind, you know it just doesnt feel right.

ie. how many times do we see on TV “hasn’t missed a kick in last x attempts” and then it bounces off the post, or “so many passes without an interception” and next play is a pick 6. Every time they make that stats announcement on TV, I just bury my head in my hands.

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by NC_Scott on Dec 22, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

but

the post was well written. Just wish it was posted 3 weeks before the game or after the game.

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by NC_Scott on Dec 22, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah no kidding. The last thing you heard from the announcers during the Giant game was that D-Jax had never returned a punt for a TD…

by nationalist88 on Dec 22, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

I think this is an excellent post. For one, despite Sanchez’s inconsistency and struggles I trust him way more in a big game then Cutler. Cutler didn’t win in college and he hasn’t in the NFL

by Jerrad p on Dec 21, 2010 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

Cutler does nothing but throw for a lot of yards and throw a lot of picks…like Romo he is crazy overrated…I had a Facebook argument with some idiot claiming Romo was this God of a QB…

Those guys are good in fantasy football, but they don’t win games in the NFL…

Another thing to note is that Lovie Smith had to tell Mike Martz to reign Cutler in because he was losing them games by throwing picks and getting sacked all the time…

No franchise QB has to be told to take a lesser role in the offense…

by Down Since '86 on Dec 21, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

Well, they had to reign in Sanchez last year

And this year now as well. Remember the color-coded armbands? I don’t think that’s necessarily a sticking point.

With that in mind, I love this post. Very interesting stuff.

by bobdolethesnapplelady on Dec 21, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanchez was a rookie last year. And he hasn’t been reigned in this year at all. Schotty just called a competent game by getting guys into position to make plays, and a few tricks happened to work.

by Crackback on Dec 22, 2010 12:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I disagree. Giving him those easy completions to build confidence, removing a lot of the difficult throws and reads, limiting the trick plays, and as far as I could tell, removing the kill calls, all simplified the offense for an overwhelmed QB. To me, that’s reigning him in. Both Sanchez and Schotty.

by bobdolethesnapplelady on Dec 22, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Lovie Smith had to tell Mike Martz to reign Cutler in because he was losing them games by throwing picks and getting sacked all the time…

That’s actually a signature of Mike Martz offenses. Lots of Receivers, not enough protection and way too many throws. Also doesn’t help that the WRs in Chicago suck

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by Mark D on Dec 22, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

When your defense

Is at the bottom of the league every year, your going to be throwing a lot to either play catchup or stay ahead.

This season he’s 10th in INTs, with both Mannings putting up more then him.

I don’t even like Cutler, but in a league that has about 5-10 QBs that probably shouldn’t be starters on any given week, he’s a quality QB that’s not easily replaced.

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by Mark D on Dec 22, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Martz as an OC:

06 Detroit Kitna 596 Attempts, 21 TDs to 22 INTs 63 sacks
07 Detroit Kitna 561 Attempts, 18 TDs to 20 INTs 51 sacks

And if your going to say that was because of Kitna, 63 and 51 sacks are by far the most sacks he’s ever taken in his career, 596 and 561 are 1st and 3rd in his career, the INTs are 1st and 3rd in his career.

08 49ers Multiple 509 Attempts, 21 TDs to 19 INTs 55 Sacks

And lets not forget that his system of all out passing as OC/Head Coach of the Rams led to Bulger’s shortened career and Kurt Warner being shell-shocked for a few seasons

in 04 his QBs took 50 Sacks, 43 in 03 and 46 in 02.

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by Mark D on Dec 22, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

38-17

Yup those guys don’t win football games. Romo is $$$. Its his defense that loses him games.

"Don't give up, don't ever give up."

by Jeterian 2 on Dec 22, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Down since 86

i hate to tell you this but its 2010
and if you want to look at 2010 stats Jay cutler has 4 more td’s than mark sanchez and only 1 more int… im not a math major but ummm

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by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 24, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

well mark was a rookie with little football experience at the college level

this year its just BS holding him back sure he makes dumb plays at times but thats part of the learning curb i mean how long has cutler been in the league?

Gang green nation!

we won the f#%ing game now lets go get a goddamn snack!

by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 21, 2010 11:32 PM EST reply actions  

5th year in the league 4th year as a starter. his rookie year he started 5 games. But his 3rd year he was traded to the Bears with a real young WR core and a terrible O line. This year Martz became the Chicago OC and brought a new system in. I think he has matured a lot this year from his press confrences. I think if Cutler had the Jets O line and didn’t spend most of the games running for his life (sacked more than any QB in the league) he would of taken a bigger step this year.

In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Dec 21, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

*after his 3rd year he was traded

In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Dec 21, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry I dont love this post

I have never been a Cutler fan or even a Romo fan for that matter but they are more than just fantasy QBs. Both guys arent as good as hyped but its not like Cutler’s Bronco’s teams didnt have flaws. And when a coach is thinking of replacing me with Matt Cassell, I’m asking for a trade too.

A question I must ask, do you really think the Jets are better with Sanchez at QB in 2010 than they would be with Romo or Cutler?

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Dec 21, 2010 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah me 2, even more so if Mcd met Cutler right before he tried to trade for Cassel and said I am real excited to work with you this year your my guy blah blah blah. Cutler was not the only Bronco that had problems with Mcd in denver. But of course I am a Bears fan so maybe I am not the most objective on this subject.

In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Dec 21, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see Cutler as a top 5 QB but my defenition of a franchise QB is not an elite QB it is someone you can build around going forward which I definitely see Cutler as.

In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Dec 21, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Cutler has his team in position to be a #2 seed and already won the division

Thats enough to be considered a franchise QB. Sure he wasn’t great last season, people forget that when you are traded you need to learn a new system. This was part of the reason that Favre wasn’t great with the Jets too. Try learning an entire new playbook and not getting a little confused when there is similar terminology.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Dec 21, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yup +1

I am not sure how many OCs he had in denver (I assume 1) but he is in his 3rd system in 5 years, second in as many years with the Bears. He doesn’t have a great running game either and has a young group of WRs (who I love but don’t have much experence)

In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Dec 22, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

So which team are you rooting for this upcoming week?

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Dec 22, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Its rough I was hoping it would be less important for one team or the other but it didn’t pan out like that. Bears locked the division but if they finish ahead of the Eagles they can get a 1st round bye, Jets need to lock up the wildcard. I am rooting most for no injuries IDK its so tough I have not had this problem (with both teams being in contention) before.

In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Dec 22, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Quite the politician I see,lol

Root for the Jets and for Philly and NYG to lose.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Dec 22, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Good points, and I think there’s little debate about what our offense could be with Cutler running it. We’d never see a loaded front again. And I seem to recall him mutilating our defense in 2008 because his line gave him time to throw. He might not be a top 5 QB right now, but he damn sure would be with the Jets’ line and weapons at WR.

If we’re gonna say that Cutler is not a franchise QB, then Sanchez certainly isn’t one either. Because Jay is doing a lot more with a lot less over there in Chi-town.

by nationalist88 on Dec 22, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I"d choose Cutler.

Sanchez and Romo will remain average at best.

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by skunk420 on Dec 22, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

what?

I can understand disliking cutler for a ton of reasons but claiming he isn’t a franchise QB seems absurd.

Cutler currently has the 39th best YPA (7.3) of all time. That ties him with guys like dan marino and drew brees, for the record.

He is freakishly athletic, has shown elite arm strength and multiple arm slots… and has performed incredibly well considering the quality of the teams (receivers, oline, run game) he has been on.

If your standard for ‘franchise QB’ is higher then cutler then we should rename ‘franchise QB’ to ‘future hall of fame QB’.

by HaffisonM on Dec 22, 2010 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

Cutler and his senior year Vanderbilt squad

Damn near beat Florida in their 1st Natl. Championship season a few years ago. He carried that Vandy team on his back. The guy is a damned good runner as well. I’m glad as hell that he’s out of the AFC West and we don’t have to see his ass 2x a year anymore.

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by skunk420 on Dec 22, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Last I checked, football is a team sport.

I get the QB is the leader and has more influence over the game than anyone else, but to fault one guy who has put up very good numbers because the team failed is a narrow-minded way to look at the game. Cutler isn’t Brady or Manning, but he’s definitely one of the better QBs in the game. While winning each game is the ultimate goal in any sport, it’s one of the worst ways to look at player evaluation with the exception maybe in basketball where one guy can take over a game.

by Evan_S on Dec 22, 2010 12:04 AM EST reply actions  

And on another note, how did Chris Webber's teams underachieve?

Is a championship mandatory in sports to be considered great? The guy was constantly in the championship series, it’s damn hard to win a ring in any sport.

by Evan_S on Dec 22, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Patrick Ewing and Charles Barkley never won, they must be underachievers too

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Dec 22, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Clearly

And Malone and Stockton are clearly overrated underachievers.

by Evan_S on Dec 22, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Woah.. I understand both sides of this argument but you have to clarify whether you’re talking about Webber 1993-2003 or Webber after micro fracture surgery in 2003.. Webber was definitely a franchise player before the knee injury but an overrated underachiever after.

by NJNETS29 on Dec 22, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I will say

I agree that Cutler is a little overrated though..

by NJNETS29 on Dec 22, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoops

Just read the rest of your post.. Yeah, if you think that Barkley, Stockton, and Malone are underachievers then yeah Cwebb certainly is as well. I personnaly think that Barkley is on of the greatest overachievers in sports. 6’4"all star power forward.. Haha +1 for “time out”..

by NJNETS29 on Dec 22, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

For a long time, I have felt...

That the QB position in Chicago is a black hole…. seems to swallow up every QB they get. Ok, SId Luckman was great, but since then….. not so much.

Cutler can run hot and cold, he can have a great game (such as their Eagles game), or he can throw 4 INTs to the same DB, like he did against Washington.

I hope he’s not shy about throwing off balance toward Revis and Cro this week. Out of all the QB’s in the league, he’s possibly the most likely.

by James Calvin on Dec 22, 2010 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

Im hoping he goes after Revis too

DeAngelo Hall will seem like a dream to Cutler, lol.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Dec 22, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Dunno. A hamstrung Revis running after those fast receivers that Chicago has? I’m hoping Cutler doesn’t even bother throwing at him, as I’m not as certain of the results as I’d usually be.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Dec 22, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Cutler is probably overrated, but

for a Chicago franchise that’s had pretty terrible QB’s for over a decade, Cutler is a franchise QB. Seriously, go look at their QB list for the past decade. And of course Cutler didn’t win in college, he went to Vanderbilt.

by NTB on Dec 22, 2010 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

i agree with jb

Cutler is a compiler. He’s not snakebitten, he’s a loser. He will always lose. He’s basically bad brett favre.

by Crackback on Dec 22, 2010 12:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Crack Pipe!

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by skunk420 on Dec 22, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Jay Cutler is essentially Brett Favre-lite. Unbelievably strong arm, loves taking shots downfield, doesn’t always display the best decision-making abilities. Guys like that may not win super bowls every year, but they get you to the playoffs more often than not. Sure, they’re gonna have the occasional five INT day, but it will be bookended by a couple of 300 yard, 3 td days.Overrated? Please. I’d trade Sanchez for him right now, and I’ve liked Mark since day one.

Now Romo, he’s pretty overrated, but only due to the expectations of his owner.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Dec 22, 2010 12:55 AM EST reply actions  

Caveat- they get you to the playoffs when your defense isn’t giving up an average of 25ppg.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Dec 22, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

But Favre...

…was (is) a player. He had the mental game. Cutler throws 2 picks and his head slumps and you know it is going to spiral out of control. Favre would get knocked down, shake it up. Maybe throw to more picks or maybe throw 4 more TDs. Cutler can’t do that, and certainly can’t inspire the team around him to do that.

by EVT on Dec 22, 2010 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

STUPID!

Cutler is a good franchise QB, i’m tired of other people saying otherwise. Was going to write a HUUGE post but whats the point; the posts are biased and stupid.
Bottomline Cutler in his 2nd year with a much worse team and less starts > sanchez now. cutler now with NO receivers only a TE > sanchez with great options to pass to; pretty evident.

by renzen on Dec 22, 2010 1:01 AM EST reply actions  

say what you want about sanchez's stats...

All the kid seems to know how to do is win. Led his team to the afc championship game as a rookie. Dragged 2-3 losses out of the fire and turned them into wins on his way to another post-season.

Cutler’s MONTH is to throw 2-3 picks early that lead to points for the opponent, then hold onto the ball too long and unnecessary sacks, then when the game is out of hand and the defense let’s up, he pads his stats.

by Crackback on Dec 22, 2010 9:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This is ridiculous

The Jets didn’t make it to the AFC championship game because of Sanchez, they made it because the defense was spectacular, and they were able to run the ball at will. Winning is a combined team effort, no single player is a “winning player” and to assume so is an asinine way of looking at sports.

by Evan_S on Dec 22, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

they went to the playoffs in spite of Sanchez then he played good in the post season.

In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Dec 22, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

7-9, 8-8, 7-9 and 10-4 this year. There are a lot of QBs who would kill for that sort of record.

Also his teams weren’t all that great either

2007 Broncos
Scored 320 points (20.0/g), 21st of 32 in the NFL.
Allowed 409 points (25.6/g), 28th.

2008 Broncos
Scored 370 points (23.1/g), 16th of 32 in the NFL.
 Allowed 448 points (28.0/g), 30th.

2009 Bears
Scored 327 points (20.4/g), 19th of 32 in the NFL.
 Allowed 375 points (23.4/g), 21st.

2010 Bears
Scored 293 points (20.9/g), 19th of 32 in the NFL.
 Allowed 242 points (17.3/g), 3rd.

Shockingly his first multiple win year comes when his defense wasn’t in the bottom 10 in the league.

Cutler’s not a great QB, and I don’t like him, But he’s a solid starter and someone that your not going to easily replace.

And you can’t judge a QB just by Playoff wins, remember how long Peyton Manning went without winning a playoff game? No one blames him for the Colts not winning.

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by Mark D on Dec 22, 2010 1:01 AM EST reply actions  

It should be noted that Cutler's no worse in December

Then any other month over his career

  Value G W L T Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
September 14 10 4 0 302 465 64.9% 3831 25 16 94.1
October 12 3 9 0 249 394 63.2% 2636 14 16 77.5
November 18 10 8 0 349 586 59.6% 4292 27 21 82.7
December 21 9 12 0 403 662 60.9% 4546 31 23 82.6

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by Mark D on Dec 22, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the only difference is that the Broncos used to give up way too many points on D late in the year. I just checked the numbers… in the 12 December games from 06-08, the Denver Broncos gave up 333 points. Is it really any surprise that he has a shoddy record in December?

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Dec 22, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

WebBard

i like the way you think
though i may not like the fact you dont like Jay Cutler i agree.
you cannot judge a qb on what his team did not do. Cutler is solid plain and simple, he is young, therefore you can build around him so as a franchise qb yes.

people get franchise qb and elite qb mixed up but i think you have got it and explained it rather well

Prime example Aaron Rodgers elite qb
Tony Romo franchise qb
Drew Brees elite qb
Josh Freeman franchise qb
Sanchez can be a good franchise qb he may never throw 4000 yrds in a season or 40 tds but if he can win and the team can rely on him at such a young age why couldnt you build a team atound that?

I say let the players decide if their qb is a franchise qb… im sure washington players didnt think jason campbell was, or the 49ers dont think alex smith is

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by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 24, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree with the Cutler argument

I think he’s the most overrated player in the NFL atm. But I disagree with saying that Romo isnt a franchise QB. He may not be as good as Brady or Peyton, but he is a very good QB, and he’s had to deal with having Wade Phillips as HC

Bring back FreeBradshaw!

by ChuckyofNorris on Dec 22, 2010 1:42 AM EST reply actions  

The term 'overrated' is used way to often...

He throws 3 TDs the other day, having a great season, and all you hear on sportscenter/radio/blogs is how they dont trust him in big situations. No one likes Cutler. How is that overrated? I think a dictionary definition is in order…

by renzen on Dec 22, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a fan of Cutler, but this post is a little to harsh

I remember him coming into the old Meadowlands and torching the Jets. He might not be a franchise player, but he’s very dangerous.

by BIG OH!!!!! on Dec 22, 2010 3:30 AM EST reply actions  

When we mention a "franchise QB"

we have to separate his numbers from his ability to play within the system. Jim McMahon’s numbers for the Bears were anemic, but his ability to play within their system got him a few Super Bowl rings. Trent Dilfer won’t be in the HOF (as an analyst or a QB), but threw for 100 yards or less for the Ravens in the year they won the Super Bowl. These guys play within the confines of their offensive coordinator.

QB….Ofensive coordinator.
Cutler….Martz.

He’s not lights out as a QB, but trying to mold a QB into the vision of the coordinator is difficult even in the best of circumstances. Some of us here have at times felt that Sanchez has been held back by Schotty. This is the flip side of the equation.

by oldskooljet on Dec 22, 2010 7:26 AM EST reply actions  

Chicago has a poor offense

so poor in terms of supporting players that I think you need to give the QB of a possible 2nd seed team a little more credit. I’m supposed to believe Sanchez could duplicate or come anywhere near his numbers with no support on offense? Or that Cutler wouldn’t do worlds better with our offense no matter who is calling it or what system it is?

The guy throws a lot of Picks. Sanchez would have been long benched in that pass happy offense. It seems in Chicago they have a good enough defense that their system allows for a QB who turns it over. It was the same when they were a SB caliber team and had Grossman.

When people look back on the Broncos incident they don’t seem to say “Jay Cutler whined a lot and refused to compromise”. They say “McDaniels really blew that one”. Maybe because one got sacked, but it’s a valid point. The coach that jettisoned him led to losing efforts and got fired, while he’s headed to the playoffs not two years removed. I would hope my QB would respond to word he was being replaced with class, but I certainly wouldn’t expect him to, character or not.

If character made the franchise QB then countless examples would not make a go of it in the NFL. But they do. And this is all ignoring the fact that you don’t even NEED a franchise QB to smoke us next week or go to the Superbowl or even win it. Look at their damn record and berth. They have what they need.

I’m of the opinion only a couple of things make a player a franchise (not tagged) player: tenure with the team, a familiarity with the playbook , and management not looking to immediately replace you; the latter probably being the most crucial. Nothing else.

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by Bro Namath on Dec 22, 2010 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

Couldn't agree more.

I’d take Cutler over a ton of QBs, and it would be ignorant to replace the guy, ala McDaniels. He may not be the guy you want on a pass first team with a bad line, but he sure would be manageable for a balanced team. He does make bad decisions, but the less throws he has to force up there the less INTs he’d have.

He’s also forcing them to speed receivers this year. It’s not like having a good route runner that is going to get open on those medium and short routes to pad your stats, get easy completions and a ton of YAC. In comparison it’s like comparing the FG% in basketball of a three point specialist to a low post guy. Dinking and dunking is alot more accurate and alot less mistake prone then throwing the bomb 50% of the time.

by Timmaht on Dec 22, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Bro Namath

imagine it this way… its our first year in this system, first time with this oc… i think jay cutler and this offense is performing rather well to just learn this system… show me how many qb’s even the elite ones threw 20 td’s in their first season

im waiting on this stat if you can find and link it

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by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 24, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Romo is not a fake franchise QB.

And Sanchez will never be better than Tony Romo.

First two starting season his passer rating has been over 95 with over 7,000 passing yards and 55 TD’s. His career QB rating is 95.5. ELITE. Oh and he doesn’t need to rely on the run game and defense to win game. A 38-17 career record as a QB.

As for Sanchez his passer rating hasn’t reached 80 in his two seasons yet and his career is 69.6. I’d take Romo over Sanchez any day of the week.

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by Jeterian 2 on Dec 22, 2010 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

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