Putting Mark Sanchez's Struggles Into Perspective
by John B on Dec 13, 2010 11:10 AM EST
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I think it is important when evaluating a quarterback to take two views. The first is the here and now. The second is the longer term perspective. There is very little one can do to spin Mark Sanchez's play positively. He is play extremely poorly and is hurting the team. How is his long term development shaping up, though? Looking at some basic statistics, Mark's early career looks eerily similar to Eli Manning's.
First Year:
Sanchez: 53.8 completion percentage, 0.6 TD/INT ratio, 63.0 rating
Manning: 48.2 completion percentage 0.66 TD/INT ration, 55.4 rating
Second Year:
Sanchez: 53.3 completion percentage, 1.33 TD/INT ratio, 74.2 rating
Manning: 52.8 completion percentage, 1.41 TD/INT ratio, 75.9 rating
None of this guarantees anything, but it's not all doom and gloom from the long term view.
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The big difference between the two
Eli did no start his entire rookie season, Sanchez did.
Eli led the Giants to an 11-5 record his first full season as a starter, Sanchise can still do this in his second year, but not if he continues to play the way he has.
Beat the Vikings.
by tito (eight and oh) on Dec 13, 2010 11:28 AM EST reply actions
Your comparison is pretty good but slightly flawed.
Eli had little to no O line to help him through his first 2 years. couple that with having knuckle heads like Tiki and Shockey chirping in his ears non stop was a serious hindrance to his growth.
once they left Eli flourished.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
But thanks for the Back handed Eli props John. :O)
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Something I keep pointing out too...
Sanchez was a starter at USC for ONE year when USC was the team owning EVERYONE on their defense.
Manning was a three year starter in the SEC.
That college experience is a big deal. Sanchez didn’t even know how to come back until he was in the NFL and isn’t used to struggling. I thought taking him was foolish, but he’s our QB now and I actually like the kid. He needs time though and he needs an OC that isn’t a complete tool.
Beyond the stats
Fans frustrations are well founded but there’s a steep learinng curve here and it’s too soon to write Sanchez off. It’s easy to look at stats and ratings (there are 3 QBs below him, and one is Favre), but maybe the offensive schemes aren’t conducive to his success. While he shouldn’t be given a free pass, remember that Sanchez’s plays are called in from the sidelines. Maybe the problem exists there.
Its not really fair to compare two weak early years of QBs
with the implication that a good QB is in the making. You would also have to list the hundreds and hundreds of other weak first years as well, that ended in mediocre to horrible careers.
Really though the biggest problem with Sanchez is that his bottom, his “panic” mode is pretty big. Is this something he could grow out of? Sure. But could this be a “trait” that he always has? Equally as sure.
My biggest problem with him is his accuracy on short throws. The short throw accuracy is a bread and butter necessity in this league. If you can’t throw a screen pass, or a tight out accurately, there are some serious limitations on what can be called. Perhaps its all nerves…or perhaps not.
with the implication that a good QB is in the making. You would also have to list the hundreds and hundreds of other weak first years as well, that ended in mediocre to horrible careers.
The implication is that there is time for him to grow and those writing him off are doing so too soon.
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+100 Agree
Sure Eli Manning has succeeded in his bid to become a mediocre to good NFL QB (a Super Bowl winning one), but vastly more NFL quarterbacks with poor career starts have poor careers. If I posted a comparison of Mark Sanchez to Akili Smith, Jamarcus Russell, Tim Couch, Cade McNown, David Klinger, Ryan Leaf,. Joey Harrington, JP Losman, Matt Leinart,, etc. John B would call me out for an incredibly one-sided and misleading piece.
Sanchez will be better then Eli
JETS / falcons...METS / rays...NETS / lakers
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john we have recieved another big blow
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5915440
big wood is out for the season tell all :(
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fire schotty and lets go get a goddamn snack!
"big wood is out for the season tell all " = Damien Woody out indefinitely ?
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
yeah the regular season i hope theres a chance he can comeback in the playoffs if we get there
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fire schotty and lets go get a goddamn snack!
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 13, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
really discouraged with him...
Watching the game one name immediately popped up when I was watching Sanchez suck, Alex Smith. The fumbling, the innacuracy (although sanchez actually is less accurate) the general ‘very good one game and sucks complete balls the next’ type of player is pretty similar with Smith.
I hope my comparison is not true but its not looking to bright.
Ironically...
Smith has been hampered by his OCs too. How bad is your luck when you have 5 OCs in your first 5 years and then get Jimmy Raye for year 5 and half of 6 only to end up with ANOTHER OC. In some cases I’d be inclined to say that Alex Smith IS a problem and that his erratic performances kill coaches.
However, then I look at guys like Jimmy Raye who, for lack of a better term, suck complete ass. Until we have a new OC in place, I’m putting most of my offensive criticisms on hold. If part of your offense is working then you can start picking on players. However, when the unit is completely inept, there’s only one place to put the blame.
That;s a pretty unfair comparison
First off, Sanchez didn’t come pro ready like Stafford or Manning (either of them), so its unfair (IMO) for people to expect Sanchez to do a whole lot more than what he is doing already. He’s got a pretty decent skillset and if you surround him with talent (which the Jets have), then he will be a solid NFL starter, but I don’t think he can be a Tom Brady or Manning because of the lack of composure and lack of self confidence.
The beginning of the end of the misery
look im sick of this
u wanna know something mark sanchez will never be brady or peyton because there is only one brady and peyton mark sanchez is mark sanchez what do u expect from him? the OC does not call plays that can maximize his potential every single time sanchez has a rhythm going bam tigercat right up the middle two yards i mean damn leave the kid be if he does this with a new OC then fine throw him under the bus (depending if the OC is more competent then schotty which i think mostly every one is more competent)
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fire schotty and lets go get a goddamn snack!
lol got my slang out
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by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 13, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
If you can compare Joe Namath to Rex Grossman, you can certainly compare Mark to Eli. John’s point is that there is still hope for the guy.
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It ain't the skill; it's the will.
There is also a chance that I will win the lottery
But John’s argument that because Eli had a poor start and then success is not very convincing. Most quarterbacks with poor starts to their careers have poor careers. Mark Sanchez is more likely to perform like the majority of this group, not the minority.
Saying otherwise is like saying: Eli Ex won the lottery after playing unsuccessfully for 30 years. Despite there being 50,000,000 other people just like Eli Ex who have played the lottery for 30 years and never won, I’m hopeful that Marky Mark will win because he too has lost the first 30 years he’s played.
at one point i was his biggest critic. not any more.
Its not him. Its the scheme. I firmly believe that schotty asks him to figure out what the defense is in and to attack its weakness. That’s a retarded approach to take with a young qb. The scheme should be tailored around OUR strengths rather than the opponents schematic weakness. We should be attacking personnel weaknesses, not schematic weaknesses.
by Crackback on Dec 13, 2010 4:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Look at all of the dropped easy catches that killed drives...
not only in yesterday’s game, but throughout the season.
The obvious dropped pass in the end zone would have won the game, and there were several drops on 3rd downs that killed drives.
Hard to rack up good numbers when you kill 5 or six drives a game with dropped balls- they have been doing that all season.
When Brees was racking up wins last year, his receivers were catching everything thrown their way. Sometimes it’s just not how the passes are thrown, it’s how they are caught,
It's also a lot of pressure...
To feel like you have to lead a team to the Super Bowl in your second year and, for better or for worse, making it to the AFC Championship last year brought just a wee bit of overconfidence to this club this year.
The problems we’re having now are the reality of inexperience on the part of our QB and our HC. Everyone goes through these things. Now… if they adjust and fix the ship, that’s what separates the good ones from the bad ones.
The rest of the season will be, if nothing else, interesting. It’s gonna tell us whether we have our franchise or whether we can expect the owner to start shopping around again in a couple years.
tough road from now on
We have an OC that is determined to under utilize his running game and shown absolutely no ability to attack teams’ weaknesses. We have suffered very, very key injuries, (jenks, leonhard, woody, et al). We have been exposed on the defense with the short pass game. And… we haven’t made the necessary adjustments to compensate for any of this.
There isn’t room for any more losses if this team wants to do anything after January 2. If we are going to be playing after that date, the only thing that is going to carry the Jets through is going to be heart, character and determination. If we are signing players to fill positions that other teams discarded this late in the year, the physical aspect is not going to be enough to carry us through.
It’s got to be the defense with the “I’m going to kick your teeth in” attitude they had last year. The offense right now a LIABILTY.
The playoff bound teams are peaking right now, the Jets are not. Time to see just how badly these guys want it.
Did anyone else buy the signature wine the Jets came out with this year? I bought three, hoping to drink them on February 6th. I still have one left.
I keep hearing about Sanchez's big arm but he does not put zip on the ball
and does not throw a long ball with much authority.He is absolutely killing us week after week and not having a competent backup (brunell and Clemens,Really?) is ruining this season and my weekends.
I agree. He doesn’t have a huge arm. He definitely can sling it if he steps into the throw with lots of room to step, but his long ball lacks air (vital to receiver adjustment) and actually is pretty inaccurate at times (wrong shoulder, short). One can’t say that he throws anything with authority, other than the screen pass, that last pass in the world you want to throw with authority, if you know what I mean.
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by ________key on Dec 13, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
there is absolutely no way we should be screaming for a backup unless he gets hurt
you do not want to start a QB controversy
Are you kidding?
WE LOST TWO GAMES IN A ROW! THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SAME OLD JETS ARE BACK! DROP SANCHEZ! FIRE RYAN! TELL HIM TO BE MORE LIKE BELECHICK AND SHUT UP! WHAAAAA!
(On a side note we could fire a coordinator who has had years to prove himself as mediocre AT best and deal with the fact that our QB and our HC are still inexperienced.)
No he does not have a big arm
He needs to run into his throws to get any sort of velocity on them down field. Plenty of other quarterbacks don’t have enormous arms, but they tend to make up for it in great accuracy and great ability to read the defense. The best example of this is Drew Brees. However, Mark is also lacking in both of those areas. Hopefully, he will learn to read a defense at some point. But there’s really no hope for him to become more accurate or more powerful at this point in his physical development.
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