Mike Tannenbaum Deserves Some Blame for Loss to Miami Dolphins
by John B on Dec 13, 2010 8:04 AM EST
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PrintI haven't heard a single person call Mike Tannenbaum to task for yesterday's defeat, but he deserves a portion of the blame for that debacle. When your quarterback goes 17 for 44, turns it over twice, and fumbles three other times that the offense recovered, it is logical to ask whether a team would be better served going to the backup. Rex Ryan says he considered it but felt Sanchez gave the team the best chance to win.
Ryan is right. The Jets had nowhere else to turn. Sanchez has played some terrific games this year. The best chance the club had was to hope for him to turn it around. The other options were Mark Brunell, who does not appear to have the arm strength to play effectively anymore and Kellen Clemens, who is not a quality NFL quarterback.
Tannenbaum is the guy who failed to address the backup quarterback position in the offseason. He brought in Brunell to be a mentor for Sanchez. That was fine, but he could have been a mentor as the third quarterback. The most important quality for a backup quarterback should be the ability to play football well.
You probably won't find a star on the backup market, but there were guys capable of playing adequate ball (Marc Bulger, Byron Leftwich). The way the defense was playing, adequate was all the Jets needed.
This was a game that screamed for a temporary change to give the team a shot in the arm. The Jets didn't have a realistic option, though.
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Was just listening to those two blowholes Mike & Mike
and they reported that RR called out the defense after yesterday’s game. I couldn’t find the story though. Anyone got a link?
its true
Ellis took issue with it. And rightfully so. Can’t link from my mobile but I read a few articles on it. Rex needs to coach the whole team, not just the defense. If any unit deserved to have their asses chewed it was the offense. But he likes to pretend that he has nothing to do with “those guys.”
by Crackback on Dec 13, 2010 11:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He should work for the WWE.
They could always use another 300 pounder who couldn’t make it in a mainstream sport.
screw that
he has the height and weight to play 3-4DE
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The problem is, Rex Ryan sold the team and the fans on pipe dream. He came out and told the world the Jets were going to the SB. Something 99% of other head coaches would never do, especially when they haven’t done much to earn it. I think this bravado allow Mike T. to make some dumb choice. Like letting Fanaca and Jones go in an uncapped year. It made absolutely no sense. Listen, I get it. The Jets needed to sell tickets so they decided to lie to their fans. The funny thing is, if they had come out and said their making strides, and getting better, and if they make it to the playoff, lets see what happens. Then even after this loss, you guys wouldn’t be so down. But instead, you’re told you have a SB team, when in actuality, the Jets only won 2 division games last year. This year is a success so far. Any other team/fans would be celebrating the strides you guys have made, but the unrealistic expectations won’t allow for it. As for your QB, give him time. Giants fans wanted Eli gone, and now we can’t live with out him. Again, realistic expectations…he’s doing great. Unrealistic expectations…he’s blowing our SB chances. It’s not fair. It’s not fair to him, and it’s not fair to you fans. Take a deep step back and imagine if Rex had never said a word about the SB. Imagine if the media didn’t tell you that Sanchez is one of the best QBs in the league. Then ask yourself how you’d view this season. I think you’d be extremely happy with the results so far. Some of you make think I’m trolling, but I’m not…just giving you a different perspective.
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A lot of what you are saying is incorrect.
To list Jones and Faneca are the reasons this team is struggling isn’t accurate.
It’s not unrealistic to say this team has Super Bowl potential. There are very few spots where the team is putting out below average players.
Very few are saying Sanchez should go. Very few are calling the year a failure right now.
You have not addressed the main point of the article, which is that the lack of a quality backup quarterback is a problem.
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I'm actually kind of with some of the points,
that many of us are bummed because of the lofty expectations.
But what I disagree with is that it’s folly to even have the expectations in the first place. What kind of a competitive team doesn’t go into a season expecting 19-0? You have to set those expectations if you’re going to succeed, even if you don’t do it publicly.
I’m also not sure who in the media said Sanchez is one of the best QBs in the league. I never heard anybody in the media say that. I’m not sure he can back that one up.
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Well during broadcast you hear people like Gruden kiss @ss all the time.
But, they do that with anyone who plays in the NFL and doesn’t have a criminal record.
plenty of media
1. Gleason-The Record
2. Caparoso-SB Nation
3. Bleacher report
4. Numerous radio personalities…Craig Carton, BT, Jodi Mac, Evan Roberts, etc…
Let's Go Giants!!!!
I can assure you I do not base my opinion on what any of them say.
I do owe you an apology for saying you couldn’t back it up, though. I was wrong there. Some clearly have said it (although I’d hardly call Bleacher Report part of the legitimate media).
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I used the wrong terminology
I should have said you (the Jets) shouldn’t have boasted about it. I shouldn’t have used expectations.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
I don't really agree we shouldn't have boasted though.
Ryan can take the criticism and the players should be able to take the criticism as well for not meeting expectations, even if they were set at the Super Bowl. I don’t think anyone is going to call this season an abject failure if we make the playoffs.
Seriously, these are grown men. If the players can’t take the heat for not playing to an elite level, they really should only look inwards at themselves.
As for the fans, it’s their job to be loud and proud and overreact to everything. When has it ever been different? :P
Yeah, I get the "grown man" thing
but tell me how many other teams would do that. I doubt to many, which has to tell you that it’s more of a detriment than a boon or all coaches would do it.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
I see it as purely a PR move
Head coaches nowadays are scared shitless of the mainstream media; Rex embraces it. Different strokes for different folks. It’s easier to save face after a shitty season if you don’t tell anyone about your lofty goals before the season.
Wait...you think a backup QB solves your problem?
IDK about that.
1. as far as Jones and Faneca. That improves your run game and takes pressure off Sanchez
2. I say it’s unrealistic because you didn’t dominate last year, you overachieved. I’m not saying you can’t believe you have a SB team, you just can’t “scream” it in everyones face. (i mean that metaphorically)
3. The fact that you’re even talking about a backup QB when your starter is healthy makes my point
Let's Go Giants!!!!
Nobody said a backup QB solves all the problems.
1. Not really since their replacements are playing as well as they did last year (and better than these guys are playing with their new teams this year). If you want to get on Tannenbaum, dealing Kerry Rhodes would be a place to start (or backup QB).
2. You’re using very vague subjective language here. Again, few week points on the roster. Totally fair to say this has potential to be one of the best in the league.
3. Do you think the backup quarterback position is a positive for the Jets right now? That was the point of the post. Do you disagree with its substance?
And again, can you substantiate exactly who in the media was saying Sanchez was one of the best QB’s in the league?
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I hear you bro
we’ll just agree to disagree I guess. But good luck either way. And beat the bears at least for us…lol
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Disagree...
Rex is Rex. He doesn’t talk like that to sell tickets. He talks like that because:
1. He genuinely believes it.
2. He’s the kind of guy that’s of the philosophy that it starts with belief. Short of us being mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, “win the Super Bowl” is gonna be his mantra.
Frankly, I believe this is a GOOD THING for the team and I like the man’s bravado, even when it gets humbled. I can live without a coach that just constantly regurgitates generic coach speak. “One game at a time… I don’t even think beyond the next game…” I think discipline is a problem and that sometimes they look too far ahead and miss the here and now, but the guy is a second year coach. I’m sure as a DC he was looking at how HCs ran things and figured how he wanted to do it instead but, since virtually no one coaches like he does, he had to just try it and see.
I don’t get why people are still griping about the Faneca move. His replacement has been fine. And Jones? I loved Jones, but LT is better.
And, personally, I’m frustrated with our offense but from the get go I was aiming at a double digit win season because I like to think of myself as realistic. There’s always a SB chance if you make it to the playoffs, but this team has looked SB caliber only one time this season. Personally, I’m happy to be 9-4. Fans who buy into bravado and don’t recognize Rex for what he is deserve to be disappointed. Hell, I can’t think of any coach coming to any new franchise and promising an SB that I’d take seriously. (And yet, I’d commend the bravado.)
Tanny?
I don’t know—Tanny didn’t drop the TD—or the half dozen other balls that would have been meaningful completions.
It still looks to me like our offensive play calling is crap….the wild cat on 4th down was horrible and the predictable runs up the middle will just ineffective.
I still don’t like Wayne Hunter guys—why did we draft Vlad?
The Giants fan makes some sense—I have been calling the Faneca move a dumb one all year..that’s where Tanny let me down more then with our back up QB.
I don’t know—Tanny didn’t drop the TD—or the half dozen other balls that would have been meaningful completions.
It still looks to me like our offensive play calling is crap….the wild cat on 4th down was horrible and the predictable runs up the middle will just ineffective.
These and the backup QB situation are not mutually exclusive things. They all contributed to the loss.
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I don’t even know if Vlad was active for this game, but knowing that Woody was questionable and knowing what happened the last time he was out, Vlad should have had a chance to be out there. He’s been inactive because he’s struggled with adjusting from tackle to left guard. Why don’t we see him play tackle? Meanwhile, Hunter is a converted D-lineman. In addition, having Hunter play RT means one less guy on those jumbo packages (where we end up passing, but I digress).
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It ain't the skill; it's the will.
Tone didn't drop a TD as it hit him in the shoulder.
We all knew Vlad was raw coming out of college and knew he wouldn’t be playable immediately. Please watch some Cardinal games before you call Faneca a dumb move. Their QBs, the 4 or so they’ve went through are getting absolutely felonied all year. That’s why we got rid of Faneca. Slauson has done a great job filling in.
The pink elephant in the room is
Sanchez. It’s not Schottenheimer, or Tannenbaum or even Leonard’s injury.
Sanchez’ faltering lines right up with the teams’.
With an experienced QB that makes few mistakes and can sling 10 yard passes this team would be talking 1st round bye right now, instead of avoiding conversations of bye bye from the playoffs. Join reality, it’s the “realist” place to be.
by Dan1 on Dec 13, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Except...
Anyone with a brain knew Sanchez was going to be a problem this year. It’s his second year under an OC who can actually drain the life out of otherwise good offensive players and minds. Most people EXPECT the legendary “sophomore slump.”
The offense has more problems than Sanchez. In fact, I’d say that Sanchez’s biggest problem is that he’s too emotional and folds easier than he should when he needs to be the emotional leader on the field. Our offense’s problems seem to compound worse now than they did earlier in the year. It seems like the whole unit is just blowing it which, to me, is a sign of frustration.
Sorry, when it’s the unit, it’s the OC or the HC, period.
Disagree
I’d say Sanchez’ emotional state is less of his problem than:
1. His lack of ability to read a football field/His poor decision making
2. His lack of arm strength
3. His inaccuracy
Hopefully 1 can be fixed. But we’ll have to live with 2 and 3.
It's hard to blame Mr. T based on how bad our playcalling has been.
Who’s to say a half decent OC wouldn’t have Sanchez looking like a Pro Bowler this season. It’s no coincidence that people started figuring us out during the second half of the season. The vanilla we are putting out has not been changed even as we are doing exactly the same thing.
Sanchez hasn’t started taking suck pills all of the sudden. That flawed offense we all saw during the preseason is outweighing out defense as people figure out that we are playing the exact same kind of a flawed gameplan.
The moves have all been fine when put together. Folk hasn’t lost us any games, it sucks we have no confidence in him as we had 2 potential FGs we didn’t go for because of it. Taylor leads our team in sacks still I think. Tone has won us three games we should have lost and LDT carried our offense before Tone got back from suspension.
Realize these players have carried a crap gameplan that has made no adjustments at all this season. The second time around, they might as well of had coaches taping our practices. Well technically they did since they had the video of their last games with us and we didn’t change a think but our level of execution.
I agree with all of this.
Look, Schotty is no Belichick, but Belichick lighting up the best defenses in the league with far less talent than we have. No, we don’t have Brady, but we’ve got a hell of a lot more talent than they do everywhere else (except maybe tight end).
Sanchez is our QB for the foreseeable future.
Get used to it folks. No franchise QB started his career without some struggle. Even Brady was riding the pine in his second year. If you want to build a dynasty you have to let young guys grow. Sanchez NEEDS this. He needs to learn to pick himself up ON THE FIELD. You sit him down now, you’ll ruin his confidence and he’ll never develop into a star. And then where are we? F***ing nowhere, that’s where. We’re Cleveland. Sanchez has had good games and bad games, and decent games that looked bad because of drops, and bad games that looked good because we won. Consistency only comes with experience and confidence and he needs time to develop both.
I'm not so sure Brady is a good example.
He wasn’t drafted with the same expectations, or under the same line of thinking (that he was going to be a franchise quarterback).
Well...
Whoever drafted Sanchez expecting instant NFL magic didn’t actually watch USC play. Oddly, in his flashes of brilliance with the Jets he’s impressed me far more than he ever did at USC. There’s a reason Pete Carroll didn’t think he was ready for the NFL.
I think he’s going to be good with time. I’m not expecting him to be the second coming of Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, but I think he’ll be a good QB with good field presence in a couple years. Since he’s going to be around for a while, we should pull the plug on BS sooner rather than later.
I posted this comment to another article earlier...
but it bears repeating.
I said after the Denver game Rex needed to get control of his offense or there would be big problems. I think he gives his offensive coaches too much leeway or trusts them too much, versus what he does with the defense. This is more than just Sanchez or Schottenheimer. Let’s start with Callahan. SInce the bye week the O-line has not dominated anyone and has been awful on more than one occasion, yesterday included. This pre-dates Woody’s injury. Either Callahan’s schemes and protections have become too predictable or the guys are not producing, Can’t blame this on Faneca being gone either – these guys need to step up. Mangold and Ferguson got their money – show some fire and leadership. Lynn and Callahan put together the running game and that is nothing short of abysmal right now. Finally, I think Schotty is like his Dad. Marty would get you to a certain point but then you plateaued and couldn’t get any better. I think that is where Sanchez is with Schottenheimer. And let’s not forget that quarterback "guru" Matt Cavanaugh – where is he? He’s supposed to be the guy developing Sanchez. You never hear his name. In short, this unit needs a complete makeover in the off season or Rex, much as I love him, will end up as another in a long line of great coordinators that were failures as HC’s..
Agreed. But in callahan’s defense, the play call has been terrible. Running games demand commitment and repitition. These guys need to keep at it and wear down their opponent and tweak their technique. Same with the backs. U need to get into a rhythm. We mix and match too much with no coordinated pan. Last year we didn’t start to get our running game going until the second half mostly. But we don’t run it that way any more. We’re not a run-first team anymore. We run on first downs, yes. But we don’t run it successively all that much. We give priority to the passing game, and supplement with the run. Greene should be the primary back with LD supplementing him and closing out games.
But schotty’s lack of purpose to game planning leaves everybody doing a lot of different things but not having much effect.
by Crackback on Dec 13, 2010 11:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
True
But did Tony Richardson and John Conner fall off the face of the earth? If you are going to ground and pound then bring in the FB and go at it. Most of the 1st down runs were off a one-back set with 3 WR’s . If you are going to be predictable then be predictable with some beef and purpose. I agree with the lack of a coordinated plan, and Schotty as the OC and play caller bears the brunt of that. But the game plant is developed by the whole offensive staff, and they just aren’t getting it done. I think the fact Schotty has too many weapons to play with and doesn’t know how to create a coherent game plan that uses his weapons to the best advantage from week to week is also a large part of the problem. A lot of teams make do with a lot less because they know who they are as an offense. This geoup has lost it’s way.
by Traveling Man on Dec 13, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
i disagree on this one JB.
Its funny because if I remember correctly, last year u wanted to keep sanchez in no matter how bad it got; and I thought he shouldve been removed went bad went to terrible.
But last year was different to me. He was a rookie. I think the last thing he needs right now, especially after a 9-2 start, is to be looking over his shoulder. He’s the guy. You live with him or you die with him. The only time he should get yanked is if he’s injured.
by Crackback on Dec 13, 2010 11:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Totally agree.
(Although, injury is a reality too and we’re totally hosed if that happens. We need a decent backup for that reason.)
The offense is struggling as an entire unit right now. If our running game was really effective I’d be more apt to make Sanchez the fall guy. If our TigerCat packages were working right now I’d be more apt to make Sanchez the fall guy.
Nothing is working though. The whole offense is playing sloppy and frustrated. That falls at the feet of the OC, period.
And I just heard
Rex ripped into the defense saying they sucked yesterday.
What?!
You could tell from the comment it pissed Ellis off too. WTF is Rex doing? That’s just f-ing lame.
The defense played fine. It gave up 10 points and you knew it wouldn’t give up anymore. And the defense, god love ‘em, had faith in the offense, because, if it didn’t Brodney Pool is trying to scoop the ball and run for a TD instead of safely falling on the ball.
And if he flubbed it trying to scoop it for a TD, he would have been killed by Rex, most likely.
I really really really want to like Rex. But I like Ellis more. He’s been here a long time, and show some f-ing respect to your defense when they did their job.
It’s all up to the Jets ‘O’ at this point. The Jets have to be able to score at least one TD.
hell.
I’m not gonna get on Tanny for the backup QB sitch. Bulger went to the Ravens, who grossly overpaid for him. Brunell is probably near his ability level anyway, and probably is better than Leftwich. Clemens is pretty good for a #3.
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Tanny isn't a big part of the problem
But the main premise of this article is correct – the lack of a real backup QB is troubling, and obviously when you’re struggling everyone is accountable, from the owner on down.
That said, I think this team has far bigger problems than the job that Mike Tannenbaum has done.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
why would you even suggest subbing him out for the 2nd string QB
when you know he’s not emotionally tough enough to handle something like that? Why even open the doors for a QB controversy?
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