Tom Brady: The Ideal Jet

It’s as easy to hate Brady as it is to respect the hell out of him. He put up great numbers with average WRs, Welker and Moss excluded. He’s one of those rare players when they game is on the line you trust them. One of the top 3 QBs of all time. Respect.

Who said he wasn’t chasing statistics or Super Bowls, but rather, perfection.

although i hate jeter way more than brady so i would find it hilarious if he went to the red sox. it would make me puke if he ended up on the mets

To get you to think. That’s the point.

Geezus. I meant his draft status wasn’t a deteriminient, in his mind, what his potential was. He also is still holding a grudge about being drafted so low.

All i’m doing here is drawing comparisons between two unlikely people. That is all

Look, if you’re going to come here and just make fun of articles that are actually complimentary of your players, it makes you look just stupid.

Good luck on Monday, you’re going to need it.

Does the next guy love Brady? I don’t! :P

I don’t think that’s true. I presume it was inspired by Rex’s hilarious comments. I realize you’re trying to define what a true Jet is, but…

Using the franchise QB of our most hated rival is… well… for obvious reasons going to draw a lot of ire around here. I just wish you would have posted a sillier picture of Brady.

Only NFL player who likes winning and hates losing

Everybody likes winning and doesn’t like losing, but the bigger point is a lot of guys don’t necessarily live for it. Derek Anderson laughing on the sidelines as his team is getting blown out is a perfect example. One thing I like about Mark Sanchez is you’d never see that out of him.

:)

Well… actually… at first I was thinking that it was bad enough taking Jason Taylor but then I remember the reaction when he sacked Henne in Miami. Imagine the fans if Brady was ours and he was throwing TDs in Foxborough? That’s awesome.

But still… Sanchez is our QB and I think having a QB come in from the start and play under Ryan is gonna create a guy I like WAY more than Brady. I respect Belechick, but I’d never want him as my coach.

I love winning and all, but there’s more to what I want out of a team than just winning and Brady wouldn’t bring it.

@Very intelligent synopsis! @

for 3 or 4 strait weeks, he basically owned everyone who brought up spygate, and the concept of their so called “cheating” and how it actually not affected their SBs.

We have talked about the Spygate episode at length here for two years (it gets old when people rehash it).
Here are the major points (I could get links if I thought you would actually look):

1. The NFL said that no advantage was gained.
2. Matt Walsh (one of the filmers) said the tapes were never used on game day. Oh, he confirmed that no walk-throughs were taped.
3. Taping by teams is allowed on game day, to only problem was WHERE they taped, to THAT they taped.
4. NFL taping instructions say that the filmer should show the game clock as well as the action on the field.
5. One of the tapes included an opposing coach smiling and waving to the filmer (who was wearing Patriot garb).
6. Their is NFL film of the Patriots filmers on the field wearing Patriot garb.
7. Other coaches (including Jimmy Johnson for the Cowboys) said that he routinely taped.
8. Most coaches said it was no big deal.
9. A professional scouting organization (no affiliation), said that the film provided no more data than what they would already have had. At most, it just stream-lined the process.
10. The same organization pointed out, that from a logistic point of view, it would have been virtually impossible to use any of the game tape on game day. There is simply not enough time.
11. Teams employ people in the booth to try to steal signals. That is why teams change them throughout the game.
12. Parcells said that teams that don’t change their signals deserve to get them stolen.
13. The Patriots went 18-0 after the incident, and were 1 blown coverage by Asante Samuels (the guy that was supposed to cover Tyree) away from 19-0.

If you are a fan of the Patriots, but don’t like Belichick or his tainted teams (Cheatriots as trolls commonly call them), then what Patriots are you a fan of? Did you quit watching them in 2000? Are you only a fan of a bygone team?

There, now I am sorry for attacking you. I’ve shown my logical reason’s for believing the Patriots’ championships are not tainted. We have also gone through the exercise of showing several NFL teams are guilty of some impropriety (steroids, tampering, filming, etc.) It doesn’t take long at all to find dirt. The NFL reacted the way it did to protect it’s image. Nothing more. I’m in no way denying what they did. I’m am just following expert opinion that says it didn’t matter.

Here is a nice article:

And the Pats didn’t ‘cheat’…
The bulk of the taping they were doing was legal. It was only after Goodell’s memo to all teams clarifying (and, really, narrowing) the rule about where cameras could be was that kind of behaviour rendered illegitimate. The Pats admittedly broke that subsequent rule clarification, for which they were punished by docking the first-round draft pick. That’s fine – they broke that subsequent rule and were punished.

The problem with calling the Patriots ‘cheaters’ is two-fold. The first is that several people have suggested it taints the Superbowl wins, which is bunkum – they weren’t breaching the rule as it stood pre-Goodell’s clarification, which means they were doing everything legally during the 2001-2004 Superbowl years.

Secondly, when Goodell examined the tapes that the Pats did make post-rule clarification, he said without reserve that the breach of the rule offered the Pats "no competitive advantage". That, by definition, is not cheating. Cheating is breaking the rules to get an advantage otherwise not available – cutting corners in a race, or getting a head start, etc. That’s not what happened. They broke a procedural rule about where cameras could be; not that they weren’t allowed to be taping signals. Taping signals is legal, yet it seems like some people don’t quite understand that. The Pats broke a procedural rule about how they went about it.

Ergo, the Pats aren’t ‘cheaters’. They broke a rule and were punished for it, but the allegation of ‘cheating’ is above and beyond what the Patriots did.

Jeff Pash, the NFL’s executive vice president, said the difference between the Patriots’ and Broncos’ spying cases was the extensiveness of New England’s.

“I think with any disciplinary action, you have to focus on what exactly the facts are,” Pash said. “Here you had, as best we can conclude, a single incident as opposed to, in New England, years of activity. You had an incident that, as best we could identify, was carried out by a single employee without direction from the coaching staff or anyone else at the club. That’s obviously different from what we saw in New England where the head coach was actively supervising the activity.”

And after that, he said it was common knowledge that they cheated…. which was not only false(in terms of cheating), but because he didn’t back it up, and he regarded that excerpt as “proof” when it wasn’t.

Is that the sky falling I see? yikes….

I thought it might be useful for me to summarize the major points of the discussion so far. Based on the evidence we have, here’s what most people SEEM to agree:

Bill Belichick knowingly cheated

The NFL refused to seriously investigate the allegations

The NFL destroyed the evidence

The NFL rules and guidance regarding one team taping its opponents signals during a game are scandalously unclear (more about this shortly)

Regarding the last one, the pats were penalized for taping on a certain part of the field. It’s not like they were taping anything different compared to taping where other teams and head coaches tape.

However, we don’t know:

The extent of the Patriot Cheating

How much of an advantage it gave them

The impact, if any, on prior games

The pats broke a rule. They didnt cheat. The difference you ask? Cheating means you gain a competitive advantage, which the pats did not. Therefore, it had NO IMPACT on any games the pats played.

Also explain how well the pats did after they were penalized? Oh yeah, they went undefeated. It’s not like they sucked after they were ratted out by mangini.

I have yet to take any article seriously. You gave me second hand articles, that seem to have more of opinion rather than fact.

But everyone here so far has been very respectful. You run a very good blog here Matt. :)

The fact is, they broke a rule. Not cheated. Cheating gets you a competitive advantage which they did not, as stated by goodel, and backed up by Matt Walsh.

There are certain parts of the field where you are not allowed to tape. These certain parts are different depending on the type of stadium though, especially when one is a dome, and one is not. BB taped in an area that he wasn’t supposed to, but HE DID NOT tape anything different, compared to taping in a legal area.

That’s why they were penalized. For Breaking a rule, but NOT cheating.

just wondering

Taping signals only became illegal in 2007 after the clarification by memorandum that was delivered from the NFL to all franchises. The Pats were caught once with a cameraman taping the Jets (a week after a Jets employee was caught taping the Pats, hah) but instead of just tossing him out (as was the common practice among NFL teams), Mangini escalated it at complained to the NFL.

It was for that that the Patriots were docked a first-round draft pick, fined, etc. 2001-2004 aren’t tainted for the simple reason that taping signals was not against the rules. In fact, the NFL actually doled out 40,000 tapes to each franchise to use over the season, and prescribed rules about how signal-taping should be done. If that’s not permission, I don’t know what is.

I’ll do what I can to pump your trolling juices.

The Jets haven’t won a Superbowl since the first moon landing.

Jets = 0
NASA = 6

i think we have a lot better chance at the drilling. i would love to see gholston get 1st career sack smashing brady. i nearly laughed my head off when he almost got one a few wks ago

And I respect that. If the media focus is on him, then they’re not badgering his players about weaknesses they see or giving them other crap they don’t need to deal with before the game.

if the jets had drafted brady and he was their starter you’d love the guy. Same thing can be said with Pats fan with peyton. They hate the guy when they are playing against them but if most rational fans would kill to have brady or peyton on their team. You just hate him for all the sucess he had against the Jets. Same when people hate peyton for being so damn good most of the time.

at least we come over here to talk about football…
you came over to our house…dropped a big fat load in the porch, kitchen, and in the living room……
and we decided you weren’t invited back!