What to do with Nick Folk?
I attended my first Jets game this season, sitting in section 101, which was coincidentally the end zone where Nick Folk shanked a FG attempt and almost botched a PAT. So as I sat in my seat in frustration over the kicking game, I was wondering what on earth should we do about this.
It's really to the point where I don't have any faith in Nick Folk. If you DO have faith, either you are blindly optimistic, or a little crazy. But does anyone here seriously trust Nick Folk with the game on the line? We are 9-2 and a team that is primed for a Super Bowl run. Can we depend on Folk to hit a clutch game winner in the playoffs? With the way the Jets play teams close, we need our kicker to hit the gimmes and make most of the tough ones. Our kicking games needs to be spot on and it just isn't right now.
So I turn to you Jets fans. What do we do about Nick Folk? Do we drop him like a hot potato and find someone who we can depend on in the clutch? Is there even anyone out there that is an improvement on Folk? Or do we just stick with Folk and hope we can ride his shaky confidence to the Super Bowl?
My final thoughts? There is nothing better out there right now, so like it or not, we have to hope that Nick Folk's inconsistency does not bite us in the butt. We play in close games, so I expect that Folk could cost us a big game this year, lets just hope it's not in the playoffs or against the Pats.
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Can't Watch'em All
as i listened to the post game on thursday as i hit the turnpike on my way home, i heard a reporter say something that made sense for a change, Jet fans cant watch every kicker in the league, so while we think our kicker is the worst, we dont really know how good we have it, at least our kicker won a game for us this year
by Nick Jabber Jaw Velazquez on Nov 27, 2010 9:24 PM EST reply actions
He's made enough big kicks
and hasn’t cost us a game yet. It’s one thing to almost miss a PAT and another to actually miss it (ask Detroit). He’s been good enough and has won us more games then he cost us. My memory is a bit shaky, but he’s only missed 1 makeable kick so far (I don’t consider anything around 50 to be makeable on an ordinary basis). I can’t imagine any current FA being better.
Plus at least he’s been working in the Meadowlands all year and knows how the wind goes and what not. It’s one of the hardest places to kick, and if you bring someone in it means they have 5 days to prepare after Folk has been preparing to kick at the Meadowlands all year.
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Not only that, but the Bengals called a timeout just before the snap. He made the kick and had to retry it. Of the football I’ve watched this year 75% of the time the kicker misses the second time, often from a shorter distance.
I do think Folk needs to get better, but I also don’t view the situation as dire as a lot of people seem to. Kickers go into and get out of slumps all the time. Garrett Hartley looked a lot worse than Folk does now early in the year. Now he’s back on track.
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75% ? i find that hard to believe being as its like getting a practice kick.
i would almost beg my own sideline to call a time out so the kicker could get a warm up shot.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
but there is a difference between icing and TO after the kick. "practice kick"
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
WRONG
he did cost the Jets a game. He miss a 37 yard fg that would had tied the packer game. He makes that the Jets maybe win that game. Also won’t have to hear how they got shutout at home. And if you want to blame the wind, the packers kicker hit a 44 yard fg. The Jets are in trouble.
btw
whats w/ lewis calling a timeout on that kick. it’s annoying enough when it happens at the end of the gm and its pretty random if it works any how. here though he called it in the 1st half!!!
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
I think it’s kind of a silly move. Half the time the kicker misses the initial kick, and you give him a second chance.
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wth?
Of the football I’ve watched this year 75% of the time the kicker misses the second time, often from a shorter distance.
and then right below:
Half the time the kicker misses the initial kick, and you give him a second chance.So which is it? I’m not sure that kickers are missing half to 3 quarters of their kicks, but I could be watching different games than you are.
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You have misread.
The first comment deals refers to a specific instance where a kicker tries an attempt, but it gets wiped off the board because either the other team called a timeout just before the play or because there’s a penatly and thus has to retry the kick.
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I got that
The kicker misses his 2nd kick if he makes the first one due to those circumstances. I’m not sure too many teams take 3 points off the board to retry a kick from a shorter distance. I guess they would have to miss the first one in that instance as well, so they miss both FGs? So what does the 2nd comment one refer to?
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That's not costing them a game
When you lose 9-0, a missed field goal didn’t cost you the game.
by OldJetsFanatic on Nov 28, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
I think
We need someone else for kickoffs. I don’t like the idea of 2 rosters spots for 1 position but I’m tired of seeing kickoffs barely getting to the 15 yard line or worse.
by NYJ#80 on Nov 27, 2010 10:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Folk's actual problem is within 30 yards. Mark it.
He came to the Jets with the worst % inside the 30 yard line. What does that tell you?
It tells me...
We should treat that area like 4 down territory and play accordingly. I’ll bett the number of TDs we come up with makes up for it anyway.
He's 18/21 inside of 40
That’s not perfect, but there are a lot of Ks who perform at that level – Olindo Mare is 14/16. David Akers is 13/15. Graham Gano is 11/13. Garrett Hartlet is 10/14. David Buheler 7/9. Most of the kickers who are more accurate than that tend to not have kicked that many FGs
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by OldProspects on Nov 28, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
you people are whiners
The only real issues have been the offensive and defensive playcalling.
The rest of the supposed “problems” are nothing more than people making mountains out of mole hills.
by Crackback on Nov 27, 2010 10:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The main problem with our kicking game...
Is that we’re using it too much. I almost hope Folk gets worse and this team STOPS playing like a field goal is even a damn option in the red zone. When we NEED a touchdown, magically the right calls are made and we zoom in. When a field goal is an option the play calling reverts to terrible conservative crap, blows our rhythm and we end up settling for three (or worse, zero).
We should have absolutely torn the Vikings to shreds to the point that Favre’s late game resurgence was meaningless. What did we end up with instead? Five field goals. Five. Turn two or three of those into TDs and that game is over before the forth quarter comeback attempt.
For a team that considers it to be so ground and pound there is NO reason we should EVER send out the kicking team on 4th and 1 or 4th and 2, particularly past the 50.
Agree we play for the fg way too much. We rarely attack the ez when in striking distance anymore. You’re dead on cult.
by Crackback on Nov 28, 2010 1:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The thing that bugs me the most...
Is that there is a HUGE difference between getting to forth and short and debating on whether to go for it rather than just playing as if you had four downs to work with from the start. It changes the way you run your entire offense, what risks you’re willing to take and gives you an extra play, if you choose, to grind out a couple short yards.
On top of that if we TRULY have faith in our D, it just seems to make sense to go for it on forth and short with this team. I think this team is the perfect build where the reward VASTLY outweighs the risk. The other upside is that scoring like that really demoralizes opposing teams. It just plain hurts not to stop a team on 4th.
4th and 8? Okay, FG. 4th and 2? Go for the 1st.
hey crack your biy merriman is in the IR
before he even played one game sucks but atleast you know we can sign him extremely cheap this offseason to replace taylor.
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we won the f*#&ing game now lets go get a goddamn snack!
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Nov 28, 2010 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
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Gang green nation!
we won the f*#&ing game now lets go get a goddamn snack!
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Nov 28, 2010 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
look
nate kaeding has been the most accurate kicker in nfl history and he’s given us 2 playoff victorys. mike vanderjagt was incredible and then butchered that kick against the steelers. when it comes playoff time and the gm is on the line i would worry no matter who the kicker is.
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Folk hasn’t been bad enough yet to give up on, but I understand the concern. I have a feeling that with the season on the line, this guy is going to miss an easy one.
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by rxmeister on Nov 27, 2010 11:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
he missed 10 last yr.in 14 games. hes on pace for 11 this yr.
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How many very long ones did he miss last year
like he has missed this year?
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Folk attempted 4 50+ and 5 40-49.
He missed 5 of these.
Feely attempted 2 50+ and 2 40-49. He’s missed 1 overall.
So, nevermind on my argument. Thought the stats were worse.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Lets score more so a kicker is less important to the overall team success/… (with the exception of last game) Lets have the defense hold a 4th quarter lead and not let the other team drive down and tie/take the lead. The whole team can be better, to put the Jet’s struggles just on the kicker over the past month+ is what is crazy imo. And like you said there are no better options out there so why complain about it?
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We picked up a kicker who was chased out of his last city at the bottom dollar to save money for other areas of the team, what are we expecting here a kicker who is automatic everytime? Like other players with baggage that we got Folk at a reduced who had a pro bowl year but has since struggled, if we were paying this kicker 2+ million a year then maybe I would be more willing to place blame on him but for what we paid I think Folk is doing a pretty good job.
In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
by BL3ACH on Nov 28, 2010 2:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Facts
Nick Folk 26th in the league with 73% field goal conversions.
Jay Feeley 2nd with 92%
Why did we make that move again?
Jason Taylor
With the money we saved we also got JT
by JetsFanMurphy on Nov 28, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
no cap. JT could have been got regardless
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No, he could not have been. Under the final eight rules, the Jets needed another team to sign one of their own free agents.
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true, forgot that.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
you happy with JTs production?
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Leads the team in sacks
At least I think so
by JetsFanMurphy on Nov 28, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
think hes tied with a couple others. only 4
many thought he would rip off double digits. you guys are getting on folk i thought he had some criticism coming his way as well.
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he only got 4 but he only plays part time.
Again the key is pressure, sacks are a bonus
by BIG OH!!!!! on Nov 28, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
pass disruption is much more important than actually bringing down the QB.
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He makes Big plays when he's in
Remember his sack in Miami? Or how bout the one in Cleveland to stop their drive at their own one yarder?
by JetsFanMurphy on Nov 29, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
How many very long ones has feely missed?
As many as we have made folk attempt?
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Folk attempted 4 50+ and 5 40-49.
He missed 5 of these.
Feely attempted 2 50+ and 2 40-49. He’s missed 1 overall.
So, nevermind on my argument. Thought the stats were worse.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
That Sideline is Cursed
Look at that sideline versus kickers, The one with Curtis Martin on the Ring of Honor side. Look at the Patriots kicker missing a chip shot week 2, then Folk’s miss and the Cincinnati Kickers miss, that sideline has more misses than hits in my opinion
Oh and for what we got Folk for we Also got Jason Taylor so who would you rather have, A feely or a Folk WITH JT
He's not perfect
in fact there have been a couple of wtf moments. But, his powerful leg drove us through a couple of wins. Baltimore would have been ours, but if I remember correctly that wasn’t all his fault.
It’s not that I’m blindly optimistic. I’m just wondering who we could possibly replace him with that would be an upgrade. Don’t say Jeff Reed. If you say Jeff Reed you haven’t been following the Steelers.
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Thank you
Its not like the FA market for kickers right now is any better, and probably a good deal worse
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by blueandorange4life on Nov 28, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Face It
When it comes to kickers, we are totally snakebitten. We’re never going to get our own version of Adam Vinateri or Garrett Hartley (the post-season version) or Matt Stover. The only way that we are going to make it all the way is if we can win without a reliable kicking game. And we wouldn’t be the first team to win with an unreliable kicking game – the 07’ Giant had Lawrence Tynes…and no one would ever accuse him of being “Mr. Automatic”
Nugent
Mike Nugent was having a much better season than Folk but is out for the rest of the season when he was injured on an onside kick. And, btw, Nugent has significantly improved the length of his kickoffs (probably the most legitimate criticism of him when he was on the Jets).






















