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Eric Mangini: Still a Bad Coach With Potential

One thing that drives me crazy is the theory Eric Mangini was an innocent victim unfairly fired by the Jets. The theory lays the entire 2008 collapse at the feet of Brett Favre. It's frankly ridiculous. Favre was very bad down the stretch. He played a major role in the collapse. So did Mangini, though.

Mangini was the head man when the Jets constantly spread the field and threw on third and short with a shaky Favre and the conference's leading rusher. He was the head man when the team consistently refused to give the team's biggest playmaker, Leon Washington, so many as 5 offensive touches down the stretch. He was the head coach of a defense with a pass rush so anemic, play calling so conservative, and blitzes so poorly designed that it did not register a single sack against a Seattle team whose entire starting offensive line was on injured reserve. He kicked a field goal instead of going for a touchdown on fourth and goal from the one with said conference's leading rusher. He punted instead of letting Jay Feelytry a makeable field goal in that game. Feely hit a kick through the uprights with more than five yards to spare. The Jets were called for a penalty, and Mangini punted instead of giving Feely a chance.

He has a career 24-32 record in four plus years as a head coach. He has made the Playoffs once and lost his only game. This is a bad coach, people.

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People made excuses for Mangini after the collapse. They said the game planning problems were with his coordinators. That was fair enough. Isn't the job of the head coach to correct assistants when they are doing things incorrectly and guide them in the right way? Wasn't he the guy who hired the coordinators to begin with? Didn't he deserve blame in particular on the defensive side of the ball for not firing his defensive coordinator when the same conservative style and poorly designed plays were evident in the two years before 2008?

The Jets had a contender in 2008. I have heard revisionists say it wasn't realistic to have expected that team to win it all. I say nonsense. That team blew out both the eventual NFC Champion and the top seed in the AFC Playoffs. Many of the same pieces got to within a game of the Super Bowl a year later with a new head coach and a less effective passing game. Mangini's failure to get that team to the Playoffs was a disaster, particularly considering New England did not have Tom Brady.

The issues with Mangini were not all from 2008. How about his insistence on installing a 3-4 defense that didn't fit the guys on the team. He put Dewayne Robertson at nose tackle. He ran the same two gap system he ran in New England. If you insist on putting a guy like Robertson in the 3-4, not a good idea to begin with, give the defensive linemen one gap a piece and let him play to his strengths penetrating like Jay Ratliff in Dallas. How about the way he alienated Pete Kendall in 2007 by demoting him over a contract dispute and sticking him in the rookie dorms in camp? That ended any hope of a peaceful resolution. Adrien Clarke became the starting guard, an unmitigated disaster.  How about the way he needled reporters with absurd secrecy when it came to things like the depth chart? Maybe you don't want to totally give things away, but Mangini took it to new lengths.

There is no question Mangini left the Jets better than he found them with the guys he brought in. I think he gets too much credit, though. Mike Tannenbaum was the guy pulling the trigger, and he has continued to bring in high level players since Mangini left. In the first Draft after Mangini left, Tannenbaum landed three players, Mark Sanchez, Shonn Greene, and Matt Slauson, who figure to be above average starters for a long time.

The irritating thing, though, was how evident Mangini's potential was. Despite all of the frustrating moves, he came up with some of the most brilliant game plans in this decade in the NFL. He was always good for one or two masterful games per year. Think back to the 2006 game in Foxborough, where he outcoached Bill Belichick. How many times has that happened? How about a year later when the Jets played the undefeated Pats a heck of a lot tougher than they should have? There was the Pittsburgh game earlier that year, and the Titans game a year later. The Jets came out defensively with an incredibly confusing look in many of these games. Guys lined up in different spots. They walked around before the snap. Linemen didn't put their hands down until the last possible second to confuse blocking. This stuff worked like a charm.

Why didn't Mangini come up with this kind of creative stuff all the time? I think it was simply he was too young and inexperienced. He didn't fully understand what went into being an NFL head coach. The best analogy might be Bill Belichick in Cleveland. Nobody could question his knowledge of the game. He just did not have the consistency week in and week out. He didn't have the experience to know that he had to be himself at all times. He tried too much to imitate Belichick in New England. That's why he put in that ineffective defensive system. It's why he was so difficult with the media. It's why he used the same team approach with Kendall.

These things weren't what made Belichick successful, though. Belichick ran the 3-4 because it was the best system for his talent. During his first Super Bowl run with the Pats, he ran a 4-3 because that scheme better suited his talent. His relationship with the press was more the kind of thing a coach who had won three championships could get away with instead of a magical recipe for success. Those championships made guys tow the line and buy into the team concept. They also allowed the Pats to have replacements for those who didn't.

Mangini isn't Belichick. He never was. He never will be. He seems like a nice guy. Belichick has no personality. He's a calculating guy. He's true to himself. That's why he's successful. Rex Ryan is successful in the same way because he is himself. They are very different styles, but both work. Belichick probably wouldn't be successful imitating Rex. The reverse is true.

This is why I am not surprised the Browns are 3-5. It is also why I'm not surprised they crushed the Pats and developed such a masterful game plan last week. Mangini is a guy who still has not figured out to put it together, but he is brilliant when he can focus.

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I always got the feeling that there was a running Issue between Pennington and Mangini from day one.

Mangini drafts Clemens and has Ramsey signed and then proclaims the starting QB spot open. Pennington blows everyone out of the water, but I don’t think Pennington and Mangini ever had a good relationship. Which isn’t surprising given what’s gone on in Denver and another one of Bellicheck’s genius coaches.

I just think the issue between Mangini and Pennington was another part of the problem.

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by Mark D on Nov 10, 2010 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

Great article

I think your opinion’s well stated, and I agree with many of your points. I think that Mangini’s potential is keeping him in the head coaching job with the Browns, because Holmgrem can see it too. I think he would’ve been better off being put in a Jim Caldwell situation where he can be taught how to be a head coach, instead of just being a brilliant game planner.

Although I think that Mangini’s insistence of a 3-4 hurt the defense (Vilma and Robertson eventually left because of it), he was instrumental in developing defensive players’ abilities. I think that Kerry Rhodes was a player that fit into the Mangini mold, and I still think that trading up for Darrelle Revis was one of the greatest draft day moves (and I said that when it happened). A lot of that credit also goes to Tannebaum and the scouting division, but I think that Mangini deserves credit for that too.

by B- on Nov 10, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting points.

    Mangini does deserve some credit. However there would have been a different game plan if Farve didnt have to start every d@mn game. It is CLEAR as of this year that Farve will not ever sit down. As long as he can ‘attempt a throw’ Farve will start. A One eye, one leg, bum knee, deaf in one ear Farve will still demand to start.

    With Farve out, there would have been different play calling. A chance for Mangini cleverness to show. Instead he put to much trust in Farve.

by GrendelKen on Nov 10, 2010 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

Is Clemens really an upgrade over a hurt Farve though?

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by Mark D on Nov 11, 2010 6:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually think Mangini is much better suited

to be a general manager or VP than a head coach.

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by Bro Namath on Nov 11, 2010 1:02 AM EST reply actions  

Completely Agree

He has a good track record with the draft, at least for us, but he seems to (I’m speculating) treat the players like subordinates and his lack of personality epitomizes his lack of leadership skills.
Coaches have to be leaders-players have to buy into what they’re selling. Other than wanting hard work and discipline-I just don’t buy it.
He does on the other hand, know what he wants from players, hence, the GM or VP suggestion!

by GangGreenGol4 on Nov 11, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree. His biggest mistake in cleveland so far is how he mishandled the 2009 draft.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 12, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t agree with this at all. Mangini went through some growing pains with this team and I did want him fired when we collapsed after the 8-3 start. And it had a lot to do with stubbornly relying on an injured Favre and doing nothing to compensate for that maddeningly non-existent pass rush. But in the big picture this guy is not a bad coach.

Comparing the drafts between Mangini and Rex? Let’s not even go there. This team is built around centerpieces Mangini drafted and Rex’s last draft flat out sucked. The one before that? Jury is still out on Sanchez and Greene has yet to establish himself as a workhorse back. Slauson has surprised, but it’s still not even close.

Mangini took over a team in Cleveland completely devoid of talent that didn’t even have a QB. He dumped some deadwood, stole Hillis from Denver and turned Cribbs into a nuclear weapon, playing him everywhere. This team is now competitive in a brutal division, and playing out of their minds for him. And what do you know, he even drafted a QB who’s looked pretty damn solid in his few starts. Mangini took a team full of Chauncey Stuckeys and used them to kick the crap out of a team full of Pro Bowlers coached by the guy he learned under. Give the man his due.

by nationalist88 on Nov 11, 2010 3:44 AM EST reply actions  

All great points

but they only really reinforce the idea that he’s better suited to be a GM.

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by Bro Namath on Nov 11, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

You could argue that, but the deciding factor to me is the production he’s getting from one of the least talented rosters in football. Mangini is anything but a “player’s coach”, but his team certainly believes in him and his system.

by nationalist88 on Nov 12, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like his style but I can't say he's a bad coach.

The guy has been on a rebuilding Jets team and a horrible Browns franchise that is starting to show some signs of life with a rookie at the helm. The Hillis pickup is looking golden until he pulls a dude this weekend, but they are actually looking much better in this very paradoxal year. I mean decent Chiefs, and Oakland teams while the Cowboys and the Broncos look horrid. I mean the Bills aren’t even as bad as we all expected them to be…OK winless but they’ve played some shootouts for sure with Fitzpatrick throwing the rock for them…OK they’re still awful.

by Timmaht on Nov 11, 2010 7:48 AM EST reply actions  

I would take Fitz any day over 70% of the starting QB’s in this league. Just because he came from harvard, a majority of football fans turned there noses up at him, myself included. Look at what he’s doing without much in Buffalo. If he was on the Jets, I would have put my $$$ preseason on you guys going to the big game. I didn’t because you insist on trying to make dirty sanchez a great QB, & he’s average at best. Come on he didn’t even play more than a season of college ball on a ridiculously talented team. Fitz would be way better in the Green than dirty can ever hope to be.

No talking. Talking doesn't play football, talking isn't going to make you practice harder or play harder.

by J. W. on Nov 12, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

His main problem was always relating to players. I defnitely blame him for 2007 and the Kendall situation. As for 2008, it’s tough to preach team first when you’ve got one player apparently being treated differently than the rest.

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by dvdvil on Nov 11, 2010 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

I never bought the “Man-genius” nickname some gave him… His defenses never had the ability to come up with the big stop at the end of tight\close games. Too many teams would walk right down the field and score on the Jets in the waning seconds. He has proven that given time he can come up with a good game plan to beat Belichick… but little else otherwise. (He did expose Belichick on the cheating\taping the other teams practices…)

by Montcalm's Revenge on Nov 11, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

Not a truly bad coach, but....

not a quality coach either. I think the concensus here has it right. Maybe more of a GM type. I also don’t see him as a motivator to his players.

And if the best you can say is that he’s not a bad coach, I think that speaks volumes. The Jets did the right thing parting ways with him.

by oldskooljet on Nov 11, 2010 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

As far as being a motivator, I agree with all of you about mangini. Yes, he can pick talent, but you can’t forget Holmgren had final say on all of last years draft choices in Cleveland. It was a very good draft too, but you can tell he didn’t want McCoy – that one pick was a stuff down from on high. Look at the disaster his picks were in 09 for the Browns, he wasted three 2nd rounders (passed on Cushing, Matthews, Meyluga) on a guy from hawaii, and two posession WR’s.

 He is now being trained as a head coach, by one of the NFL’s best head coaches. You have to admit, the Holmgren hire was the real start of the turn around in Cleveland.

No talking. Talking doesn't play football, talking isn't going to make you practice harder or play harder.

by J. W. on Nov 12, 2010 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, mangini hasn’t figured it all out yet, but he is close. Right now, he has a team that is competitive week in and week out and a team that is just starting to learn how to win. 3-5 is truly deceiving because this is a team with a -4 point differential and a team that has been in every game and had a 4th quarter lead in 7 out of 8 games. the browns at first seemed to already figure out how to be competitive, and now they are figuring out how to win.

“First you learn how to be competitive, then you learn how to win, and then you learn how to win consistently”. This is something mangini said recently in a press conference and it is something I very much agree with. He has got this team competitive and winning. I like the players on this team, but even I admit this team does not have a lot of talent (especially speed-wise).

Talentwise, the browns are probably in the bottom 5 in the league (or just outside of it) but look at the way they are playing. they are playing like a middle of the road team AND they have the hardest strength of schedule of games played. Maybe mangini had some bumps with the Jets, but he is hitting his stride right now. Its illogical to say Mangini will never be like belichick as a coach and he won’t have NE type success at his second destination, just because he does not have the same personality.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 12, 2010 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

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