Green Bay Packers Pass Offense Could Present Problems for New York Jets Defense
by John B on Oct 30, 2010 10:56 AM EDT
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PrintI am a bit concerned about the way the Jets match up with the Packers when Green Bay throws the ball. Aaron Rodgers is an elite quarterback. His interceptions are up this year, and I have noticed some accuracy issues at times. He reminds me a bit of Drew Brees in that he really does not lock onto a receiver. He spreads the ball around the field. Donald Driver leads the club with 28 receptions, but five other Packers have at least 17. (One of them, tight end Jermichael Finley is out for the year.)
The Jets run primarily a man based scheme. Antonio Cromartie is playing very well. So is Drew Coleman. After that, things are dicier. We are hearing Darrelle Revis looks good. We have been hearing a lot of that since his hamstring ailment first emerged after the opener. We need to see it from him before we can declare he is truly back. Kyle Wilson is still getting his sea legs at the pro level. This could be dangerous against a quarterback unafraid to go to his secondary targets.
While Green Bay's offensive line is not a strength to the degree it is for the Jets, they do compensate by frequently leaving in extra blockers to help Rodgers to fill problem spots. The blitz has clearly not been as effective for New York this year as it was a year ago.
Am I running through the streets screaming with concern? No, but Green Bay's style might give the Jets some problems.
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Not to mention that he is the best statistical running QB in the league this year.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Gotta feelin our pass D makes a statement this game.
Driver doesn’t seem like he’ll be near 100 %. Revis sounds like he will be. Pace getting back into the rotation will keep JT fresh. And we can really attack off the edge with those to and with Ellis and Pryce coming from DE.
With Revis being healthy, and Driver not so healthy, I think we gotta good shot to snuff them out.
by Crackback on Oct 30, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If GB had TE.Jermichael Finley and RB. Grant on the field i would be very concerned. But thats not the case.
i see GB’s O doing very little.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
The Vikings have the 8th best pass defense in the league (Jets are ranked 23rd DVOA). Rogers passed for just under 300 yards against them with no contribution from Driver.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
That pass D ranking was more valid when corner Cedric Griffin was healthy.
now its Lito Sheppard and Asher Allen. Thats a real big drop off, as you know.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Not true at all. Cedric Griffin has only played TWO games this year.
In which he had only 4 tackles and 1 pass defended. The pass ranking of the Vikings is NOT a result of Griffin playing, its an expression of him NOT playing. He did not play until week 3, and he was out by week 5 and was never 100%.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
sorry, that is 8 tackles and 1 pass defended.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Thanks for pointing this out. Griffin didn’t really have a huge impact for the Vikings this season, as he didn’t really play enough too. While the Vikings don’t really have any spectacular cover guys, they have a lot of guys who fit their scheme really well. The play that bend but don’t break style to perfection really. Give teams the underneath stuff, and then make sure to make the tackle (which they do a great job of).
by packallday555 on Oct 30, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry didnt see he only played 2 games.
just remember him going down against the jets and all of a sudden the airways were wide open.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
well, you made a good point in that IF they had Griffin
the Vikings might really have an even better pass defense. As it stands now, its just pretty good.
As packallday555 says, its a bend-don’t break D, which is the opposite of the Jets pass D – which is bend, bend, bend, smash-or-get-smashed. Not sure if its a predictor.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Oct 30, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll probably move the ball fairly well. Not really trying to knock your pass defense or anything but I haven’t really ever seen Rodgers struggle to put together a few good drives on any team in the league since he took over for Favre in 2008. James Jones, who is our third receiver is quite good and has been a difficult matchup for nickel backs this season. Also, Rodgers reads blitzes really well. So while I’m sure some of the blitzes you bring will work, he’ll also probably burn you guys on a few of them.
But at the same time, Driver isn’t 100% and Revis and Cromartie are both so damn good haha. I’m actually really interested to see how we attack your defense. I think we’ll have to stay balanced and not get into going with 4 or 5 receivers every play. Our coach often likes to do that, and it usually hurts our offense quite a bit.
Thinking about this has me curious too. How do teams normally try and attack your defense? Do they like to spread you guys out and go at your nickel and dime guys because Revis and Cro are so talented?
We’ll probably move the ball fairly well. Not really trying to knock your pass defense or anything but I haven’t really ever seen Rodgers struggle to put together a few good drives on any team in the league since he took over for Favre in 2008.
The question really isn’t if Rodgers will move the ball, the question is whether he will turn it over. He already has 9 INTs (tied for 4th worst with Alex Smith), and if the Jets D finally does its thing, it will be the turnover that gets him.
Thinking about this has me curious too. How do teams normally try and attack your defense?
The big thing this year has been 3rd and long. If the Jets had even a modest 3rd and long performance they would have an elite pass defense in the league. Ryan has largely refused to back off of the max blitz on 3rd and long, ignoring that lack of Revis and the presence of the rookie Wilson. The blitz has calmed down some, and Wilson has been demoted a bit, but basically the story of the defense has been 2nd and 3rd option receivers burning man coverage on third and long. The defense actually has any problem putting the other team in horrible downs. This week will probably come down to:
1). Ryan backs off and on 3rd and long allows short completions and then a punt.
2). Ryan continues to gas it, but now with Revis (healthy), and Pryce in scheme, and Pace on board, and Wilson acclimated, he has all the tools to devastate on long downs.
3). For some reason the Jets cannot pull the long downs they have been able to so far.
It will probably be a combination of all three, but given Rodgers propensity to turn it over (some), Ryan is probably going to press the issue and its going to be blitz vs. the 2nd receiver in man. Now with Cromartie (our best INT hands guy) on the 2nd receiver it could be a long day for the Pack.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Oct 30, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. He’s been taking more chances this year and it’s hurt us. The two picks he threw last week were pretty bad ones, and both inside the redzone (which were the first two redzone INT’s of his career). It really just depends on how Rodgers plays. If he’s taking more chances, he’ll probably throw a pick or two. If he just takes what the defense gives him, he shouldn’t throw any. McCarthy’s play-calling will have an effect on turnovers too. Most of Rodgers picks have come from deep throws, when he has a guy one on one. Sometimes he and McCarthy seem to almost obsessed with connecting for a deep play as much as possible.
Yeah, I remember watching the Vikings game and basically freaking out after the Jets got burned time after time on 3rd and long blitzes haha! But it was clear Revis wasn’t at 100% too, which certainly had an effect. I’d actually kind of prefer the blitzes on 3rd and long because I think Rodgers will beat them more times than not but at the same time I realize that, that’s playing with fire.
It should be an interesting game. I don’t really expect us too win to be honest. But then again, I didn’t expect us to win last week either so who knows.
by packallday555 on Oct 30, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Most of Rodgers picks have come from deep throws, when he has a guy one on one. Sometimes he and McCarthy seem to almost obsessed with connecting for a deep play as much as possible.
This is interesting, and it really might be the story of the game, because long pass routes on 3rd and long have been the Achilles heel of the Jets. But the thing that popped into my mind when I read this is that Cromartie simply is not a CB you want to throw long and inaccurately on. He not only defends pretty well, locating the ball and going up like a receiver is probably one of his best strengths, not to mention often putting on a good return. He’s not the CB to throw up for grabs on. If indeed the story out of the bye-week is to be believed, and Revis is 100%, this makes for a game changing category.
If Rodgers is willing to put it up on 3rd and long will Cromartie and Revis be good enough to go up and get it?
And will there be enough pressure to force some errors, or will Rodgers break from pressure for some long QB gains?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
The Pats tried to spread the Jets out
It didn’t work, they were shut out in the second half. The key is to stop with the blitzing. Our d-line is good, not great but good. If the jets play coverage , the d-line will get pressure on Rodgers.
actually the pats passed to one wide receiver in the second half...
moss, so not really spreadin it around
Dick Butkus, Former Chicago Bears Linebacker
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
They were lulled into the Revis injury.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Not be predictable w/ Blitzing
Rex isn’t going to stop blitzing, but he needs to disguise them better, or at least stop blitzing the same way on particular situations!
You don’t have to play straight man all the time.
I’d like to see some of the DE’s drop back occasionally and see if they can get a pick.
I’d also like to see someone responsible for a QB spy on Rodgers this week.
Just tired of seeing 3rd and longs completed b/c it’s an all out blitz that’s totally predictable.
by GangGreenGol4 on Oct 30, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Potential tough loss here
Even with their injuries, this is a solid well rounded team. With talent at most positions off the lines.
Jets have played both well and sloppy in nearly every game so far. This is one of those opponents where you will pay dearly for your screwups. If sloppy or mistake laden play give the game away to the Pack we won’t be getting it back. We need no fumbles, to make the tackles, and smart play from Sanchez.
I think either team has the potential to win so I hesitate to predict a victor.
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Don't count out Westhoff's squad on STs!
I’m hoping this is one of the big reasons the JETS get a W. I think Westhoff is pissed off following the Broncos game and is going to find a way to get a TD this week. Even if they don’t the JETS should have great field position and that should bode well for LT & Greene!
B. Smith is due for a TD on STs!
by GangGreenGol4 on Oct 30, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The Jets are home,healthy and well rested.We're better offensively,defensively
and on special teams.Have been riding the Jets all season with the points and see no reason not to give the 6 pts this week.A double digit win is on the horizon.
by Putnan Prince on Oct 30, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
There is absolutely nothing well-rounded about the Packers.
They’re one of the worst running teams in the league and they are equally bad at stopping the run; their now injury-depleted defense has allowed their opponents to score 20 or more points in 5 of their 7 games; they have bad special teams play; and all they can do is pass and get after the QB with Matthews.
They’re one of the worst running teams in the league and they are equally bad at stopping the run; their now injury-depleted defense has allowed their opponents to score 20 or more points in 5 of their 7 games; they have bad special teams play; and all they can do is pass and get after the QB with Matthews.
Strangely this sounds a bit like a description of Denver. And we know how that (almost) turned out.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Jets keys to win!
I saw NFL Rewind of Packers-Vikings, and GB has two talented—but small—recievers. Cromartie and Revis should overpower and lock them down. Beware the screen! Two went for +10 gains. Jets can run and pass effectively. So control the line as always. Show the full O package. One note, GB players like to push and slap opponents, pussy, sophomore stuff—so watch out and don’t react to it (as we did last year in playoffs when San Diego pulled the same BS).
JETS 30-20!
and GB has two talented—but small—recievers. Cromartie and Revis should overpower and lock them down.
Revis is great on small receivers, in fact all receivers, if he healthy, but Cromartie is best on Moss types, lanky fast athletes like himself. He really isn’t good on small, quick receivers.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
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