Tim Graham: Sanchez's Stock is Falling
by Matt Birch on Oct 21, 2010 12:18 PM EDT
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PrintIt's interesting how one bad half in five games can allow a writer to deem that a player's stock is "falling."
AFC East blogger Dolphins' homer Tim Graham, though, does just that. In an article published on ESPN.Com yesterday, Graham mentions three AFC East players' stocks he thinks are falling, and three which he feels are rising. He tried to stop me from writing this by adding Jets' CB to the 'rising' list to get back in our good graces, but sorry Graham, even that won't stop us.
The fallers: Patriots' S Brandon Meriweather, QB Mark Sanchez and Dolphins' CB Vontae Davis.
2. Mark Sanchez, Jets quarterback: This might be a stretch because Sanchez did recover for a fourth-quarter comeback on the road. But Sanchez did have his shakiest moments of the past five weeks. He threw his first two interceptions of the year.
The risers: Dolphins' LB Cameron Wake, Patriots' OLB Jermaine Cunningham and Jets' CB Dwight Lowery,
3. Dwight Lowery, Jets cornerback: For the second straight week, the reserve defensive back iced the game by pouncing on the ball. Lowery returned a Brett Favre interception for a touchdown in Week 5 and jumped on a loose ball in the waning moments to end the Broncos' chances.
"This might be a stretch," says Graham. Yes, it is. Sanchez lead the Jets down the field in the fourth quarter, helping manufacture two scoring drives which entailed completing passes on some clutch third and fourth downs in good coverage.
The fact is, he settled down and came up big when we needed him in the fourth quarter, and the Jets won the football game. Sanchez showed a lot of mental toughness responding to a half of adversity in a tough environment to play in and finished strong. The second year QB still has thrown 9 touchdowns to just 2 interceptions this season, so let's give him credit where its due.
Does his decision making need work? Sure, but that's growing pains. Does he stare down a receiver once in awhile? Sure, but that's growing pains. Graham does a great job of scrutinizing and putting the second year QB under the microscope, yet he seems to fail to do this when Chad Henne has a bad game. Hmm..
Writers are quick to throw Sanchez under the bus. This is a pure overreaction by Graham due to one bad half, and I can't wait for the Sanchize to come out of the bye week and tear it up against Green Bay and their suspect secondary.
Sanchez has lead the Jets to five straight victories. Not too shabby, too bad his stock is "falling."
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Fair and balanced?
So our QB stock is falling? And he bases this upon what, one game? And even within that one game, he led his team back to a victory. While he’s had some hiccups, the players are behind him and our record is 5-1. He’s minimized his errors that would have produced losses like last season. His QB rating (even last week’s sub-par game) is 86.4, placing him at just above middle of the pack. I see Chad Henne appears to be a few spots below, should he care to support his argument.
Mr. Graham is certainly entitled to his opinion, but the facts tell a different story. So it remains an unsubstantiated opinion.
That Sanchez tidbit is sort of a compliment.
Those are thumbs up, 4th quarter comeback, first 2 interceptions 6 weeks into the season. What point is he exactly trying to make? He says his stock will be falling but he unwillingly praises him? 
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 21, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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Disagree.
I agree with Graham. Of course Sanchez’s stock is falling, he played 2 subpar games after 3 consecutive strong games. I still think for the most part he has played well, but I agree with Graham. And as for him not criticizing Henne….what?! He recently wrote an article in which Henne’s season has been nothing compared to Sanchez. I think he has been a very unbiased writer this year.
I'm neither disagreeing or agreeing
I just think in that tidbit that Matt quoted it was praises of how well he played thus far, more so than of why he will soon fall off. I won’t argue against his opinion, just seemed to me that he gave Sanchez credit without even knowing it.
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 21, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely agree, good point
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 21, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Most writers and experts said if Sanchez could increase his comp%, throw 20tds to 10 ints and have a qb rating in the 80s the Jets would be a winning team. Well he has done all three and we are winners. He hasn’t had a sophomre slump, it has been the exact opposite. I’d buy Sachize stock now since he will only be getting better now that Holmes is back.
He has had three bad games, and several INT drops.
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by kv on Oct 21, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Lowery is rising?
I get how he saved the Minnesota game with his INT, but last week he just happened to be in the right place after the world’s worst snap
It’s interesting how one bad half in five games can allow a writer to deem that a player’s stock is “falling.”
He has had three games with a sub 61 QB rating (56.4, 59.9, 60.1), which is pretty low. In fact that level would count him the 32nd best (worst) QB in the league if it were for the year.
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3 games
So what about his 3 good games what are his ratings and where would that put him? Top 5 if it were for the year.
Seems you don’t like our QB much with all your posts about him. Well he’s our QB and I think he’s getting better and hope he improves as he gets more games in.
The point is, it was not one bad half. It was three bad games. And we are talking about pretty bad games.
Seems you don’t like our QB much with all your posts about him.
Oh, really? Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with my posts. I say what I see. Look at my fan post: How Well is Sanchez Playing?…Marino. Starr.
Well he’s our QB and I think he’s getting better
He’s getting better? How many INTs did he have last game? How many dropped INTs.
If you mean he is better than last year, yes. But he is wildly inconsistent.
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by kv on Oct 22, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at most of your replies in this and other posts, negative. You said more than once his receivers bail him out on bad passes, well that’s what they get paid for, that’s what separates the good ones. Should have had more INT’s, yeah so what’s your point? He got lucky yea I’ll take it. Was clutch when we needed more than last year yes, still growing and maturing yes. We’re 5-1 yes, we need more work yes, could have have more losses like sanchez should have had more INT’s yes. So are we going to complain that we should be 3-3, about our pass rush that sucks right now? We gotta get better and have to improve but we’ll take the 5-1.
“He has had three games with a sub 61 QB rating (56.4, 59.9, 60.1), which is pretty low. In fact that level would count him the 32nd best (worst) QB in the league if it were for the year.”
He three good games he had his rating was 117.7 avg. and if it were for the year that would be #1 (best). So why only bring up the bad and compare it for the year?
Should have had more INT’s, yeah so what’s your point?
The point was that he was walking a fine edge when he was playing soooo well. Read my post on Sanchezes wonderful play at the end of week 3. Its not that he sucks, its that he is wildly inconsistent, and when he is bad, he is pretty damn bad. Many of those dropped INTs were game changers, and were ugly throws. i have in mind that wonderful shovel pass he through right into the face/hands of the rushing DL that should have gone for 6. When he looks bad it doesn’t just look like a mistake, it looks like the guy has lost composure. This is not a great sign. It doesn’t mean that he hasn’t improved, but let’s not pretend that he has had only one bad half this year.
Look at most of your replies in this and other posts, negative.
First of all, you didn’t say this. You said that ALL of my posts were negative. I’m usually viewed as negative by pom pom wavers that just want to say how great Jet players are. I like to introduce “reality” to these kinds of comments. I wrote many times on how well Sanchez is playing. i can’t help it if he finally showed his blemishes, and that luck finally failed. If he had lost a couple more games because of his iNTs (dropped), he would be talked about in a different way.
He got lucky yea I’ll take it. Was clutch when we needed more than last year yes, still growing and maturing yes. We’re 5-1 yes, we need more work yes, could have have more losses like sanchez should have had more INT’s yes.
I was responding to one thing, and that was the comment that implied that Sanchez had only one bad half all season. It simply isn’t true. He has been Jekyll and Hyde.
He three good games he had his rating was 117.7 avg. and if it were for the year that would be #1 (best). So why only bring up the bad and compare it for the year?
Read my fan post about the same.
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Hey Tim, your Bias is showing
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it's hard to argue with 5-1 but...
it seems that for Sanchez the number of bad decisions, balls that should be picked and subsequent tentative play has gone up in recent weeks. I know he’s only got 24-25 starts under his belt, so there’s a lot of room for development. what I’m really looking for is a sense that he’s becoming more comfortable and less mechanical. Mark still seems a bit unsure of himself and he doesn’t take hits well at all.
what nobody is talking about is all the drop passes he has had.
There were several in the Baltimore game and several more in the Viking game. The Jets supposed to have such great receivers but I have not seen many great catches. With that said, Sanchez needs to improve his accuracy. Also, in the dolphin, Viking, and Broncos game, he drove the team down the field in the forth quater with a touchdown after each of these teams scored. Use all the stats you want, he’s been clutch this season.
by BIG OH!!!!! on Oct 21, 2010 7:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He has also had several errant throws snagged by very good grabs.
Keller and Edwards in one game catch like 5 bad throws. The bad throws caught and the dropped INTs probably equal out to the drops.
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by kv on Oct 21, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i know he has to improve his accuracy but i think you are a little over the top with your assessment
Payton Manning throws at least two to three bad throws a game, so if Mark only throws five I take that as long as he don’t throw it to the other team. And its the job of his receivers to catch those bad passes. Great receivers make bad passes into great plays.
The job of Sanchez is to be accurate. He is erratic. Sometimes he is pin point, but other times he can’t even throw a screen pass. Also, he deep ball is not consistent at all. He often fails to put air under the ball, and it is often to the wrong shoulder.
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by kv on Oct 22, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
kv more QB hate
More negatives on our QB. We all have our opinions but whenever Sanchez name comes up you seem to blast him. Like I’ve said he’s our QB and hope he keeps improving. Seems even with the bad, this year he comes through, thus a 5-1 record.
Like Bog Oh says good receivers make the bad catches and that separates to the all pro from the average receiver.
It is not hate to point out the facts of how bad his three games have been. Its reality.
I have already fan posted on how great he was playing earlier in the year. I defended him this summer against Crackback’s extreme pessimism. The facts are the facts. I’m not the kind of fan who just waves pom poms.
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by kv on Oct 22, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
facts
Yea the facts are one sided at times. Look at my post above, you only keyed on the 3 bad games and said he would be last in the NFL in QB ratings if the season ended. Why didn’t you point out that the three good games his rating was 117.7 and that would be 1st in the NFL if the season ended. Fact is he got 2 INT’s this year not 8. Fact is we’re 5-1 not 3-3. Fact is our receivers make some good catches on bad passes and some drops on good passes. Fact is Sanchez got lucky sometimes and so did the jets. Fact is we’ll take it. Facts are facts.
Yeah he sucked at times but hung in there for the jets to win games. I’m one of his critics too but support him to get better and mature. This summer I blasted revis called him mevis all summer, left a bad taste with me but he signed is a jet and I support him even though my respect level went down some.
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Look at my post above, you only keyed on the 3 bad games and said he would be last in the NFL in QB ratings if the season ended. Why didn’t you point out that the three good games his rating was 117.7 and that would be 1st in the NFL if the season ended.
BECAUSE I was responding to the LEAD sentence of the OP:
It’s interesting how one bad half in five games can allow a writer to deem that a player’s stock is “falling.”
It simply is not true. If you read my fan post after week three you would see that as of week 4 Sanchez was on pace (even with his horrible week 1 performance) to join Marino as the only 100+ QB rated QB under 25, in the history of the league. I also pointed out that he was facing a stretch of games against weak pass defenses and predicted that he should likely become even MORE comfortable, and maybe increase his QB rating position. Well…that didn’t happen.
This is a selection of what I wrote:
For the Jet optimist with Holmes coming back soon, Slauson hopefully getting his feet with each game, Schottenheimer having re-discovered Edwards and Keller as real weapons, and LT providing stability to the short game, one might expect that there should not be a precipitous drop off in the coming weeks.
In fact, with 6 the next 7 opponent defenses – Buffalo (ranked 30th), Denver (27th), Minne (20th), GB (8th) and Detroit (25th), Cleavland (22nd) and Houston (32nd) – thus far allowing an QB rating well above the league average (league avg: 79.9, avg of these 7: 95.1), Sanchez is heading into a string of passing defenses that should allow him to gain more comfort in what he is doing if the play calling and game situation allow. The big story of course with QB rating is interceptions, and the last game had two near catastrophic ones, surely letting everyone know how precarious this fine statistical rating is for a recent interception machine like Sanchez.
Nonetheless, if the INT slate stays clean it could be that by mid-season game 9 against Cleavland Sanchez could be holding a QB rating of near 100, readying himself for a run at the record books.
The point is he has not had one bad half, he has had 3 pretty bad games. He was in position to make a run at the record books with some favorable circumstances, but it did not happen. Does it mean he is horrible? No. It means he is volatile.
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"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Mark does sometimes lay his receivers out so they take big hits. so in addition to the accuracy issue, there’s a question of his overall feel for the position.
I think we’re all in agreement he’s still growing, still figuring stuff out. we’ve seen flashes…if it all clicks in, look out. at the same time, we’ve seen enough repetition of troubling red flags that it’s not unreasonable to wonder if he’ll ever get there.
by ghost of Darko on Oct 21, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
red flags
Don’t know any QB that doesn’t lay out the receivers now and then. Sanchez does miss high more than low so that makes it tough on the receivers. Flacco really laid out Heep last weekend. How many receivers get laid out every week.
They always wonder with young QB’s if they are going to make it, even the great Peyton when he was younger. Of course not unreasonable to wonder on a young QB a lot of fans do, but to lay out the hate as a Jets fan? Hmmm
even Jets fans can see weaknesses
I’m not hating on Mark. I rank him ahead of Flacco & about even with Ryan. I think he can be special. surely you see weaknesses in Mark’s game. for example, he’s only thrown 2 picks so far, but he should have 10 by now. lots of really easy picks thrown directly to defenders who dropped them. there have been a few too many plays where you come away wondering ‘what was he thinking?’ he has been very fortunate with what are correctable errors.
by ghost of Darko on Oct 22, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
wasn’t saying you was hating on mark, was someone else who has been only negative with our QB. Of course there’s weaknesses that we hope will work out. Just like our weak rushing D right now that we hope will work out. As a team we have been fortunate but I’ll take it we’re 5-1 and need to improve.
nah…I’d say the rush D has been very strong. it’s just that in the Denver game they were more geared to stop the pass since Denver’s offense is so heavily pass-oriented. that in turn created more vulnerabilities in the run D which Denver exploited. if there’s an open issue on D, it’s still the pass rush.
but like you said, 5-1 at the bye is quite sweet. I’m seeing a 13-3 record if we can stay healthy.
by ghost of Darko on Oct 22, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
ghost
Have you been watching the games, our pass rush has not been very strong. At times good but mostly giving us fits. In fact the denver game they had one of their better games in the pass D in holding Orton to under 50% completion. But the sacks and pressures on the OB have been really down from last year.
We need improvement and have a good part of our schedule now to put it together and be ready for the late season run.
perhaps you misread...
I said (and we’re in agreement) that the pass rush is the weakest component of the D thus far.
by ghost of Darko on Oct 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
someone else who has been only negative with our QB.
YOU are not familiar with my posts.
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by kv on Oct 22, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
How dare you question Sanchez's greatness?
Aren’t you a Jet fan????
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by kv on Oct 22, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
great?
Not great but trying. Yea rag on our QB our hope of getting deep in the playoffs (sb). He’ll get better if not I’ll rag on him too, but now I try and look at the good and build on that. I guess you have your way of being a fan and I have mine. WE ARE JETS!
I am not Jets.
The Jets are a team I root for. I do not talk about the Jets as if i need to get on the field and psych myself up, emphasizing all the positives, forgetting all the negatives. Sanchez has been a mixed bag this year. I’d say 60% very good and 40% pretty bad. His play really probably deserves the Jets a 3-3 record. Is that horrible? No. But let’s not pretend he has been leading this team with great consistent QB play except for one half.
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positives
I know you’re not a cheer leader on the field, we’re just fans. I’ve been critical of the QB, pas rush defense, schotty, the idiots in the booth and what my opinion is to improve on that.
Forums like this is for us guys who like to be arm chair QB’s, head coaches, we know better than they do sometimes. lol
Never said sanchez was consistent or he was awesome except for a half and with all my complaining that I do also about the team, I hope for their/our success and proud to be a Jets fan.
The Jets are the team I root for and like I said you got your way I got mine and so does everyone else. Right now my three hopes are a good pass rush, consistent QB play, and good play calling from our OC schotty.
Maybe for the pass rush we do need a manster. Tired of seeing teams who barely blitz still get to the QB because they have a manster and sometimes we send six and we get no pressure. It’ll get better.
Anytime someone says that Sanchez has just had one bad half
in these six games, I’m going to point out the obvious, its not true. If that rubs your way of rooting the wrong way, what can I do?
Look at the fan post I did on Sanchez after week three and tell me where you disagree with it.
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by kv on Oct 22, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that's right, Dwight Lowery.....
When all you guys were hating on Dwight and voting Coleman, not Lowery to start and JetOrange and myself were pretty much the only ones voting Lowery and giving him his due veteran props. Now, I want a cookie.
Lowery is a fantastic player...
…but I think Graham is harping on Sanchez because he was expected to continue his high success against the Broncos. I don’t think “stock falling” is so much of a player in decline, but a player who had a worse than expected week. Yeah, he led them from behind to a victory, but he had to lead them from behind. That shows poise, but they shouldn’t have been in that position.
As for not talking about Henne, Graham has stated that Sanchez has been blowing Henne out of the water so much that it’s not a competition. Henne is only expected to have average games (2 TDs, 2 INTs), while Sanchez is expected to have good games (2 TDs, 0 INTs), so when Henne is average it’s not news, but when Sanchez is average it is news.
That speaks a lot of how highly regarded Sanchez has become this season.
henne
I remember before the season many were saying will surpass Sanchez this year and that Sanchez will suck hard this year. I see your point about Henne is expected to have average games but the anticipation from the phins before the season started was for him to come out strong. Just hope Sanchez gets over his mild slump and get back on track. He has matured and has to some more but the Jets are feeling good that he comes through in the 4th qtr to win even on bad QB rating games. On Sanchez the # 2,3,4 games this year got him on a higher level and that’s the scale they/we now judge him by. The #5 game he tapered off a little but it was in the rain, but won. #6 he looked bad at times but came back and won. Maturity won that game with a correct call for pi.
not henne
I don’t think Henne’s the reference point for Sanchez comparisons. Henne’s will at best be an average QB. the comparisons for Sanchez are Bradford, Stafford, Ryan, Flacco & Freeman.
by ghost of Darko on Oct 22, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Agreed on that, if you remember before the season started a lot of comparisons was make with Henne and Sanchez. Must have been the phins fans vs the jets fans. Many were saying Henne will be awesome this year and Sanchez will suck.
My personal comparison was with Ryan, Flacco and Stafford. Then Bradford came into the mix, never thought highly of Freeman but he might be coming out this year. So far he doing pretty good.
3 years hence...
I say they’re ranked Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Ryan, Flacco.
by ghost of Darko on Oct 22, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
While I agree Sanchez has been
Playing very well and even better than Henne the first 5 games. Saying things like Sanchez is blowing Henne out the water is foolish and VERY inaccurate Richard. In fact the numbers are pretty close…example below
Mark Sanchez: 55.4% completion percentage, 6.2 YPA, 183 YPG, 9 TDs, 2 Ints, 86.4 rating
Chad Henne: 62.9% completion percentage, 7 YPA, 239 YPG, 7 TDs, 5 Ints, 85.3 rating
Doesn’t really seem like a blowout. Bit Danchez has been really good and has his team 5-1 atop the divison so he gets the nod.
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This was a reply to Rich Hill sorry
Also meant *But Sanchez
by afceast on Oct 22, 2010 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
face it - Henne's a scrub
by season’s end Miami’s focus will be on finding their next QB.
by ghost of Darko on Oct 22, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
2 TDs, 0 INTs isn't quite a good game - it's fantastic
On a season basis, that’s 32 TDs and 0 Interceptions. Quite simply, that would be the greatest year of all time
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by OldProspects on Oct 22, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
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You have no idea how much that made my day.
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Better career : Henne or Sanchez?
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I’ve said Sanchez since last year’s playoffs. I just like the career arc. He’s more experienced in pressure situations. That makes you develop faster.
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