Jets Flight Connections 10-18-10
by dvdvil on Oct 18, 2010 2:00 PM EDT
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With the best record in football, is Gang Green really the best?
QB Mark Sanchez: "People who work hard get lucky."
Sanchise showed maturity in the comeback win.
Gary Myers believes Jets fans could be talking about the fourth down play for years.
Peter King suddenly has a problem with the pass interference rule.
RB LaDainian Tomlinson has the most ever touchdowns scored against Denver.
CB Darrelle Revis hopes to come back a hundred percent after the bye.
HC Rex Ryan stands by his decision to play the shutdown corner.
SS Jim Leonhard believes he was unjustly flagged for unnecessary roughness.
More connections after the jump.
SNY.tv shares video of players talking about the game.
Jets Twit shares reactions from players after yesterday's win.
Jets Kvetch makes no apologies for winning.
Jet Nation grades the Jets.
New York Newsday grades the Jets.
Mark Cannizzaro grades the Jets.
Denver beat writer Woody Paige writes about the difference between the Broncos and Jets.
Owner Woody Johnson was impressed by the green JetBlue jet. Say that three times fast.
Check out this new website for Jets fans across the pond.
The New York Times frowns upon cheerleaders.
Here is Rex's post-game speech to the team:
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Peter King is a comedian.
He has such a hard on for the Pats its almost painful to read. Tom Brady is in the MVP hunt? Fawning over his connection to Branch, but conveniently leaving out his 2 INTs? Ranking the 4-2 Ravens above the 5-1 (best record in the league) Jets!!! A Jets team whose only loss was to a Ravens team he deems to be sooo good, a team we lost to without a plethora of our best players, a game we lost as a result of being JOBBED by the PI calls you’re clamoring for to be changed?!!!
At least just admit your Patriots homerism PK. Be out front with it. It would make you so much easier to read.
I agree with King on the PI rule
With a 15 yard penalty instead of a spot foul, we’d probably be 6-0. There wasn’t this uproar in the Ravens game when Wilson got called on a very questionable foul.
And its getting old...
The whole bit about a “technical” knockout. It just seems that way because it was the last flag of the day. The Broncos (a team and fanbase, by the way, I have a lot of respect for) never outplayed us. It was only a close game because of the over-officiating the previous 58 minutes. They played decent ball but with all due respect, live by the sword…die by the sword.
But then you'll get situations where the corner will intentionally interfere.
Lets say a team is on their own 40, there’s 6 seconds on the clock, the receiver gets behind the corner and gets a step on the safety. The ball gets to the endzone and the safety can’t make a play a good play in the ball but he can get a good push on the wide out preventing an almost sure TD. So now instead of getting it on the 1, they get it on the 45. That’s just not fair.
Leonhard WAS unjustly flagged.
That was absolutely, positively the biggest wad of unmitigated bullshit of the entire day.
As for King’s position on pass interference, I actually have to agree to some degree. I do not like a spot foul on PI most of the time.
If there was some perfect world where officials made decent judgement calls, I’d like something like incidental pass interference and blatant pass interference. If you clobber some guy who is in the end zone to prevent an obvious touchdown, that should be penalized with a spot foul. Something less though?
And I’m not saying I have a definitive answer to what should happen. However, more often than not I find spot fouls to be excessive, whether it’s in our favor or against us. I didn’t like the call against the Dolphins on MNF last year that Edwards drew. I didn’t like the on against us in the opener.
Now… the one in Denver… hey, that was a face mask. Get over it. Holmes was very much in position for that ball. (Not to mention, I felt we were due for a penalty to keep our drive alive for once.)
But the reason the rule was implemented in the first place was to prevent DBs from just blatantly interfering to prevent the big play, which was routine back in the day.
I like the rule as is. Otherwise we’ll go back to the days where every time receiver gets a step the DB is just going to grab him and lock him up so he can’t catch it.
I know, I know...
That’s why I mentioned the incidental versus the blatant which, unfortunately, is also a judgement call. I didn’t definitively agree… but there are A LOT of PI calls out there that just annoy me to no end and it goes both ways.
It gets more worrisome
As they are talking about suspending players for helmet-to-helmet hits and additional measures against hitting “defenseless receivers”. Soon there will be no way to stop a receiver from catching the ball.
Imagine if Leonard were suspending for a totally legit hit because a ref didn’t want to admit that he made a mistake?
Man...
I just fume every time I think about that call because it was SO terrible and because I know what kind of player Leonhard is.
I doubt a guy would get suspended based on an in-game call. Im sure the hit would be reviewed by the league to see if it warrants suspension.
I don’t see why a call can’t be overturned if a play is legitimately reviewed on another basis. I mean, the ref reviewed the Leonard play to see if he was in-bounds. Since he’s looking at the play anyway, he should be able to make sure that that was in fact a helmet-to-helmet hit.
If coaches have plays reviewed under false pretenses, just to try to overturn the penalty, they will lose a time-out. Seems fair to me.
What about the offensive player
If you really want to stop helmet to helmet hits, i would love to see how you stop a running back from lowering his head.
Lets say Shonn Greene is going right up the middle, a safety goes up to make the tackle, lowers his shoulders to try to trip up greene, greene lowers his head to run the safety over, and blam, helmet to helmet. Would the safety then be suspended for a game?
How about the defenseless receiver. Jackson doesn’t get hit, he catches that ball. If it becomes illegal to hit a receiver while he’s making a catch, why not just find some 7ft tall basketball player, have him go 10 yards and just stand there and throw him a jump ball. If you can’t hit him, he’ll catch it every time.
Football is football. it’s a contact sport. Sometimes the contact is really violent, sometimes the guy runs out of bounds or slides.
I agree. A big part of the appeal of football is the arena-like violence. And we’re starting to creep towards removing that violence from the game. I’m all for removing the hits WITH the head, for offense and defense. It would protect everybody (the hitter and the one being hit). But hits TO the head should be game. As long as it isn’t a clothes-line. There’s nothing wrong with a shoulder to the head in my book. Defenseless or not. I want to see the big hit. I want see the guy make the catch while taking a big shot. I want to see high-impact collisions. I don’t want to see this sport get pussified.
Grabbing a receivers mask to turn his head away from the ball has to be the easiest call made all week. In the rule-book under “worst case scenario”, it probably has a similar diagram.
Curious
Do you think Hall purposely was trying for his face mask? To me it looked like he didn’t know Holmes was that low to try and make the catch, and believed Holmes was still standing. The fact that Holmes was half kneeling I think has more to do with Hall catching the facemask then if he tried to grab it. Hall wasn’t looking at Holmes and was trying to make a play on the ball.
After the 2nd Period of Opening Night "Best Period of the year" DevonPSU
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Not necessarily
I don’t necessarily believe it was purposeful. But purposeful or not it did, absolutely, unquestionably happen. A lot of facemasks are accidental…all offsides are accidental…but those are still penalties.
My point is so many PI fouls are judgment calls. There was no judgment needed on this one. Cause and effect.
I don't think
He purpously grabbed the facemask. I do think he purpously backed up with his arm out to try to shield Holmes from the ball, which is actually a penalty in itself as you can’t prevent the receiver from getting to the ball. If you watch the replay, you’ll see Hill backing up until he hits Holmes and grabs his facemask. If Hill doesn’t do that, Holmes catches that ball. Hell, even with his facemask grabbed and the defender falling onto him, Holmes still gets his hands on the ball.
On a side note…. How the hell did the refs review the Lloyd catch when leonard hit him and not see the ball moving as he went out of bounds? Even the idiot Dierdorf saw it. It was clear as day, yet the refs called it a completed catch.
They said it was a catch before he went out of bounds. Losing the ball after the supposed catch would make it a fumble situation.
Its not like the Megatron catch, where the ground was involved in the process. If the ground is involved (i.e. he fell to the ground as he’s making the catch), then he would have to maintain possession all the way through.
Here, they’re saying the catch was completed, then he was hit, then he lost the ball.
It has to be controlled
And if the ball moves, it’s not considered controlled. It wasn’t a catch at all. One of the denver posters pointed out that the play is basically dead when the penalty occurs and prior to the hit (which was clean, yet called a penalty) he had the ball. If the refs called it right, there is no penalty and there is no catch as the ball moved/was bobbled. So basically, the Leonhard call cost us 44 yards.
The problem with the Megatron catch was that Megatron made a football move, and then made another football move, and then the ball came loose as he was getting ready to celebrate.
I don’t know. I thought it was a catch when it happened. If it was a Jet and it was ruled incomplete, I would have been livid.
I don’t think the situations are the same. On the sideline, all you have to do is catch and get 2 feet in bounds. So long as you do that, its a catch. I don’t think he has to maintain possession all the way through in that situation. And I don’t think it was bobbled before contact.
But its different with a play where a guy gets hit within the field of play because he can conceivably keep moving afterwords. So if a player is falling to the ground as he’s securing the catch, he has to maintain possession all the way through. If the ground pops it out, its not a catch. But if he secures it enough to begin to make a move, then you have a catch and fumble scenario. I don’t really think that this analysis should apply to the sideline catches.
And while I'm ranting...
No more cheerleaders?
Good lord. Really? I guess we need to also get rid of beer. Oh yeah, we should all be mature and stop howling at one another. No more smack talking. And while we’re at it, we need fewer hits and less violence in football. In fact, with the way things are going, all contact will be a foul in 5 years.
Is our entire existence going to be suffocated under the weight of political correctness?
I have never paid attention to cheerleaders when I was at a game. You have no choice watching at home because the camera pans to them every commercial break.
When I was 12 I went to a NY/NJ Knights game of the World League and they gave away a free Cheerleader poster. That was cool cause I was 12. For the most part it seems cheerleaders exist just for the TV.
After the 2nd Period of Opening Night "Best Period of the year" DevonPSU
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Apparently so, cult. Men are encouraged to act like women and women to act like men in this country now. Would it surprise anyone if in 20 years it was 2 hand touch on QB’s and broads were playing in the NFL?
by nationalist88 on Oct 19, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Santonio would have caught the ball if he hadn't
had his facemask yanked. If you have the game on the DVR then go back and watch the excellent isolation replay that they showed on TV and the only conclusion you can come to is that Santonio would have caught the ball if it weren’t for the obvious foul. Santonio’s head gets turned sideways so that he has difficulty keeping both eyes on the ball. Moreover, The tugging of his facemask actually causes Santonio to fall backwards AND propels the defender forward back towards the ball.
Peter King
Not only is he hilariously moronic, but the quote from Rodney Harrison had me laughing on the floor. He’s “glad he retired when he did,” because the implication is that the game has gotten too vicious? Oh that’s rich, Rodney, coming from one of the dirtiest cheap shot artists to ever play the game. Pot-kettle-black.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
No doubt
The game is much more dangerous today than it was when Chuck Cecil played. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
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