Brett Favre Represents Everything Wrong With Sports
by John B on Oct 10, 2010 4:54 PM EDT
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PrintBrett Favre used to be my favorite football player. There was a time where all of the things now used as punchlines applied to him. Seeing the joy on his face when something went well really did make him look like a kid on the field. His willingness to take chances was refreshing. He actually was a gunslinger. His consecutive games streak was something to be admired, a tribute to his toughness.These were refreshing attributes in a league that had most players acting in the opposite fashion to the extreme. It is only a game.
My opinion on the guy did not change after his year with the Jets. The season ended in disappointing fashion, but Favre provided a lot of fun moments and played as hard as he could through injury. I respected that.
My opinion on Favre has changed over the past two years. I could say that he has come to embody everything bad about sports since he signed with the Vikings. While this has actually made me aware of what he has become, the fact of the matter is I ignored many inconvenient truths due to my admiration for the guy that sprung up long before he was a Viking. What I have seen does not only reflect on Favre, though.
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I mentioned that Favre's style was refreshing in comparison to the rest of the league. I still admire his toughness. The consecutive games streak is still impressive. So was the way he stayed in the NFC Championship Game after suffering a devastating ankle injury. The problem is that Favre has taken some of his other attributes to the opposite extreme. Yes, it is nice to see a quarterback not afraid to take calculated gambles. Favre is reckless with the ball in big spots and has been killing his team consistently for close to a decade. He has single handedly brought down seasons because he forced balls he has known better than to throw so that he could play the hero. We saw this at the end of the 2008 season. There are plenty of other examples, though. There was the 2001 game in St. Louis where every other ball he threw was up for grabs. There was his overtime interception in Philadelphia two years later where there were only Eagles in the area. There was his killer interception throwing against his body at the end of regulation in last year's NFC Championship Game when his team was on the fringe of range for a winning field goal.
This brings me to what is wrong with the media. This is an age of sacred cows in the sports media. One set of rules apply to most players, but a few can do no wrong. Favre is the president of the few. ESPN's Tom Jackson actually complimented Favre on his killer throw against the Saints. "That's the thing about Brett Favre: He's not afraid to throw interceptions. You have to admire him for that," the analyst said. There was a 2004 Playoff game Favre played against Minnesota when he knowlingly threw a forward pass across the line of scrimmage on a third down play instead of getting tackled a yard short. The Packers were in the red zone and likely would have picked up the first down with a fourth down running play. Instead, they took a penalty. Ryan Longwell missed a field goal. Favre laughed when the officials called the penalty. Cris Collinsworth calling the game for FOX laughed with Favre and complimented the fun the quarterback was having. There was no criticism for his selfishness costing his team points in a huge game.
This is an age where fans are turned off by the inflated egos of athletes. Favre is the king of ego. He has retired after the last three NFL seasons only to drag out drama as to whether he would continue to play and hijacking the national news media, which waits with baited breath to see what their sacred cow will decide. Most egregious was in 2008 when Favre turned Packers training camp into a media circus. He had retired months earlier. The Packers announced they would go with Aaron Rodgers as their starter. It was clear the Packers would trade Favre if he wanted to continue playing. Favre showed up at camp and created a circus for his team and the young quarterback who did nothing wrong just to get himself into the news.
This is an age where fans are tired of teams selling their soul for selfish star players. The Vikings have done nothing short of that to get Favre the past two years. He has arrived late the past two years by choice because his team wanted him to play quarterback. This year his coach sent three teammates to his house to beg him to return. His team gave him a raise to convince him to return. Part of what poisoned Favre's relationship with the Packers was the team's failure to placate his demands to trade for Randy Moss at any cost. Because they didn't listen to HIS advice, he got angry.
This is an age where fans are tired of their favorite players having zero loyalty to them. Favre is the extreme example of this case. He was the most beloved player in Packers history. There had been no greater love story between player and fans in professional football in two decades. Favre was part of the community's culture. How did he repay these fans? He openly sought to go to one of their bitter rivals to settle a petty grudge with his old employer. He could have returned to the Jets. He could have found a new team looking for a quarterback. He could have retired with nothing further to accomplish in the league. He didn't. He decided to devastate his former fans.
I understand the NFL is a business. It's unseemly. I said as much during the Revis saga, where I wasn't personally angry about anything that happened. I understand most of the media world doesn't try to give people objective accounts of events. The idea is to get buddy-buddy with athletes and increase ad dollars. These things are facts of life. Heck, we see a lot of them come to life with the Jets, particularly when it comes to media hype. That doesn't mean that I like them, though, or that they are necessarily good things. I don't blame Vikings fans for defending him. I defended him when he was here and before. I was wrong, though. Brett Favre now magnifies these bad things to the extreme.
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I hate to say it
but as the NFL’s statistical top performer, and the league’s publicity center piece, he’s given a pass. I don’t fault him for waffling at his age. I don’t fault him for losing a step. I certainly don’t fault him for doing what he wants when the league, the sports media, and brad childress do everything in their power to pander to him.
I honestly just don’t view his perceived transgressions as his fault. He may be selfish, welcome to professional sports. He’s old. He wants to play on his terms and as long as every facet of the league attempts to appease him I won’t hold him accountable for their different standards.
I really don’t care if he showed some sideline bimbo his penis. She obviously wasn’t distressed enough to report it to the team or call the cops. Or she figured her career was more important. Don’t give me that shame bullshit. Any other case not related to sex would immediately be crushed.
This will only be tolerated as long as he’s successful. If he stops performing at his level (like so far this year) he’ll be cast out like the brat he is.
Michael Vick is what’s wrong with professional sports. Donte Stallworth is what’s wrong with professional sports. Marshawn Lynch Cedric Benson and even the Braylon Edwards of the world are what’s wrong with pro sports.
Brett Favre is not. He’s just a diva.
Just because the guys you mentioned have done bad things does not excuse the nonsense that surrounds Favre.
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Kind of circular
Of course it doesn’t.
The point was you have all these millionaires who do terrible and reprehensible things. And they are allowed to resume their careers whereas most normal folks are not. I just don’t see how you can single out Favre as representing what’s wrong with sports. He isn’t. Those guys are.
The guy gets to do what he wants because it’s good for business. If he’s encouraged to do this from everyone top to bottom I don’t see how you can fault him.
Legends get special treatment. Address the greater issue.
The point was you have all these millionaires who do terrible and reprehensible things. And they are allowed to resume their careers whereas most normal folks are not. I just don’t see how you can single out Favre as representing what’s wrong with sports. He isn’t. Those guys are.
Well I think betraying his fans is pretty reprehensible.
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Which team are we speaking of
Being that his first three willingly let him go, and his last will do anything to keep him. Do you refer to his sloppy play? I guess giving up on the field is the equivalent to the murdering of humans, animals, sexual assault, money laundering tax evasion domestic assault drunken driving and drug use.
Who do you speak for? I don’t feel betrayed. I’ve always known who he is. A pro athglete who’s used to getting what he wants.
How did he betray the fans?
And also how is betrayal worse than what some of these other guys have done? If you put Donte Stallworth represents everything wrong with sports, it fits perfect. Favre? Not so much.
Green Bay fans.
Looking at it, he went to Minnesota out of spite. He had plenty of other options.
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I think the main reason he went there was ...
… unlike with the Jets, he knew the system and he wanted to stick it to the Packers front office and McCarthy. I dont think it was about the GB fans. But I know it must feel like Jeter leaving the Yankees to play in Boston.
That’s what I meant. Spite for the front office, but the fans got hurt in the process.
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In 2008 he said he either wanted to play for Minnesota or Chicago.
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So that means Jason Taylor is wrong with everything in sports too
Jason Taylor was given a chance to play for the Dolphins, but instead of waiting to hear other offers, he jumped at a chance to play for your team, a bitter rival. He betrayed all of South Florida in the process.
BY the way, Im not trolling. I come here often but barely post unless I see something that peaks my interest.
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I disagree with the Mike Vick comment. He did his time. He didn’t run someone over or shoot himself in the leg…
I will never understand how there are still people around who support this guy.
by nationalist88 on Oct 10, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont support Vick but I think when a guy does his time...
…its time for everybody to move on. Besides serving time, Vick also had all his friends dime him out, which had to be almost as bad as jail. Vick did more time than Stallworth who killed a human being which was ludicrous.
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't
Piss on Vick if he was on fire. All those dogs wanted to do was be accepted by their masters. He used that love to kill them.
What more can the guy do though?
He cant bring the dogs back. He did his time, he paid his debt, let it go. Hate doesnt solve anything. It also helped put a face on that particular crime. Him getting caught probably saved a lot of animals.
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't have to do anything
He can go on living his life. But if he’s ever on fire, and i’m around and have to piss really bad, i’ll hold it in and watch him burn. And him getting caught didn’t do anything to save any animals other than the ones he was planning to kill. And it may have also made it worse as more sick assholes like him may have decided to gamble on dog fighting.
I would think him getting such a harsh sentence would slow it down a bit
Dont get me wrong its a horrible horrible crime and Im no fan of Vick’s either.
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering the scope of his federal and state crimes
beyond just dog murdering like conspiracy money laundering and tax evasion his sentence wasn’t that stiff at all.
Most people in well paying careers lose them when the commit felonies. The overwhelming majority. That piece of shit gets to be a starting quarterback.
Sigh, I hate this
FOR THE RECORD:
He hurt dogs. That’s immoral. But it was still actions toward ANIMALS. He never took any actions which would/could humans that I’m aware of (If he has a DUI, please correct me).
Donte Stallworth meanwhile (which is a credit to the Original commenter who mentoined this) KILLED SOMEONE while drunk driving. A DUI is FAR MORE DANGEROUS than dogfighting. And yet it’s barely punished, EVEN WHEN A GUY KILLS ANOTHER GUY.
That’s ridiculous. Let Vick go, he didn’t harm any humans. He served his time. Other people have done far worse and skated.
I was going to let this slide by but I have to say something
Donte Stallworth drank and drove. Which was stupid. A terrible decision. Not excusing him for that. But its not like he was going 100 in a 20. He was driving 50 in a 40 which I think all of us can admit to having done quite often. Mario Reyes recklessly ran in front of moving cars. Multiple witnesses saw Mario Reyes jump in front of Stallworth. It was determined that THERE WAS NOTHING STALLWORTH COULD HAVE DONE EVEN IF HE WAS SOBER. In fact, he probably could have walked free except he demanded to have himself convicted! He made a mistake yes! He killed someone yes! But if you look at how he’s tried to atone, I don’t understand how anyone could possibly hate him so blindly.
by RulingWalnut on Oct 11, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Why is a person inherently better than an animal?
Why is one person more important than dozens of innocent animals? Especially considering one was an accident and the other was done purposely, it seems like Vick had more malicious intent than Stallworth.
Why do people find it so difficult to separate the person from the athlete.
I enjoy watching Mike Vick play football because he does shit nobody else on the planet is capable of doing. It doesn’t mean I want him over for dinner or dogsitting my pets. You guys act like you have personal relationships with these guys, you don’t even know them so don’t pretend to, and don’t act all high and mighty because some guy you don’t “like” is on your team. He doesn’t care about you or want to know you on a personal level. Just watch him play football and enjoy it, and if not, just shut the fuck up, because nobody cares about anybody elses personal code of morals when it comes to professional athletes that will never have n effect on any of our real lives.
evan i dont know why this came out as a reply to you.
Just meant for the room in general.
It's funny how you think it sounds cool to drop an Eminem line
but there is no way you would watch somebody burn, if you did, you would be worse then Vick. I bet you are 15 years old.
Eminem line?
Really? I don’t listen to Eminem, i’m nowhere near 15, and have a complete disrespect and hatred for michael vick. The saying comes from someone hating someone so much that if they were in danger, or being harmed, they wouldn’t even help them if the help they offered was offensive and disrespectful in itself. Your name fits well. And who are you to tell anyone to STFU? I take it only shitheads can have an opinion?
I didn't tell you to stfu.
Hehe. You called me a shithead though. Tsk tsk.
Of course!
Favre is the the human form of steroids, game fixing, dirty hits, unsportsmanship, and EVERYTHING else thats wrong with sports!!
Seriously this Favre bashing needs to stop, sure he has a huge ego, gets a free pass in the media, and a pretty dam selfish guy but he can overcome that since he’s a legend.
I’m not the biggest Favre fan but i absolutely hate this bs of people, like you, who bash a player when he’s falling. Why didn’t you post this article a year ago when Favre was having a great season? There is seemingly no change between this year and last except for his play which ends up cumulating into stupid pieces of writing like this.
I’m a NYJ fan, I dont come to this site to read ridiculous articles about Brett Farve’ and how he’s a bane to society.
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by renzen on Oct 10, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Seriously this Favre bashing needs to stop, sure he has a huge ego, gets a free pass in the media, and a pretty dam selfish guy but he can overcome that since he’s a legend.
You’ve just hit on my point. The guy can do whatever he wants because he made some great plays for Green Bay a decade and a half ago.
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No
he can do whatever he wants because the league and the vikings let him.
Favre = $$$. Your problem with him is with the entire league as well the media you’re more or less a part of.
he can do whatever he wants because the league and the vikings let him.
Favre = $$$. Your problem with him is with the entire league as well the media you’re more or less a part of.
That’s a good point. The Vikings do have a lot of blood on their hands. His past does play in with the way the media lionizes him.
You use very broad definitions if you consider me part of the media. :-)
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Yeah, it’s kinda like the old “don’t hate the player” line. But in a literal sense!
by nationalist88 on Oct 10, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Whether the league or media is the reason why Favre gets off free doesn't really matter IMO.
He needs to be raked across the coals just as any other athlete would if they were involved in this scandal. Any bashing of Favre are justified IMO just because he never is held at fault. If he does something wrong he deserves his rightful punishment. Not just favre either, celebs as a whole. It makes me sick that they get special treatments in every phase of life and not even criminal law can hold them back.
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 10, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I defy you to prove Favre's criminality
you also act as if half of the media doesn’t constantly criticize him for not instantly caving to pressure and committing to playing at his age. Or that they didn’t jump all over the penis pics without any collaborating evidence.
If anything he’s held under a greater microscope than some other athletes. the minimum salary in the league is more than most of us could ever hope to make. These are guys used to playing athletic games for a lviing. Selfishness and ego extend far beyond the top dogs. Admonishing Favre will not address this issue or do anything to change it.
But the media doesn't care if someone is guilty or not.
They stomped us for the Ines thing and there was no evidence that anything happened. It was her word vs ours yet that still got nationwide coverage. “Jets harass female reporter during practice!”. I just find it weird that some media outlets are turning their heads away from this issue. Usually people hop on things like this. I’m just wondering why Favre isn’t being attacked by reporters with questions and why no one is talking about this. The media doesn’t care if he’s guilty or not.
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 10, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Turning their heads?
Headlines are everywhere.NFL is fat tracking an investigation to get to the bottom of it and possibly suspend Favre if true.
How does suffering through media fake outrage for that Ines bimbo entitle you to make assumptions about his guilt? If anything being on the wrong side of ridiculous accusations should make you take the opposite approach.
On top of all of that this case was a unsubstantiated web scoop whereas a reporter on the team made public complaint of us(and later backtracked).
In spite of the case against us and the so far lack of case against him he’s still getting plenty of coverage. His alleged penis is all over the internet. I don’t know where you get the perception that people are turning their heads.
This story is complete garbage
Im sure like the one last night, it will soon disappear. I dont mind when the “news” is reported but these opinion pieces really need to go, they are lacking any kind of substance.
The one about the changes here or whatever it was
Where they complained about folks voicing their opinion after they asked for opinions.
This story isn’t going anywhere. And I stand by it.
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Dude you really should...
Its fine to write a bad article about favre but saying he’s ‘everything thats wrong with sports’ is ludicrous and irresponsible. Your using Farve as a scapegoat for all the problems in the world of sports, really really pathetic.
Its admirable to stand by your work but that means i’m always going to remember this john b as the guy who wrote that terrible article. I know that doesn’t mean much since i’m a nobody and you write articles for a pretty good site but this is garbage and no mater how much you want to stand up for your garbage you have to admit it stinks..
Why
Does someone’s opinion stink? If you don’t like it, you can disagree with it, like a lot of us here. But saying this is what you’ll remember John B for only means you don’t read the site. It’s like saying you’re only going to remember Mark Sanchez for his 5 pick buffalo game.
Opinions are like assholes…. Everybody’s got one, and they all stink!!!!
p. sure that's still up
I don’t agree with the content 100% of the time but this blog especially seems very good about not censoring or backpeddling.
There was a post pulled last night, but that’s an internal matter.
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Story is terrible
It really is a joke. He isn’t out there breaking laws and committing crimes. So he “allegedly” hit on a few ladies. Bad judgement? Yes. A crime? No. Maybe some writers are whats wrong with sports.
I didn’t mention anything about hitting on ladies in this post.
YJ, I haven’t seen you disagree with a single substantive thing I said in the post. What in particular do you take issue with.
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I'll start with the title
I mean you are saying he single handledley is losing games, Im sure without him they dont get to these title games. Im sure Brett went into the huddle and said Im throwing it whether there is coverage or not. I didnt see the Vikings there in 08 and I didnt see the Packers there either after he left. As far as his divorce from GB, none of us really know what happened behind the scenes.
Im sure without him they dont get to these title games. Im sure Brett went into the huddle and said Im throwing it whether there is coverage or not. I didnt see the Vikings there in 08 and I didnt see the Packers there either after he
And when Donovan McNabb does it, he’s a choker.
But Favre is a guy you have to admire.
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I dont think McNabb is a choker either
Of course puking in the huddle doesnt help Donovan but Favre would probably have the same label without that lone SB win.
And I think you’re being fair there, YJ. I don’t think a lot of media members use the same criteria, though.
And really this is a bigger picture thing. This isn’t only about Favre. It’s about writers. It’s about the way a team coddles players. My point is he represents a lot of things that stink about sports, which a lot of other guys also embody. As a fan, he represents a lot of things I’m not necessarily proud of that I have done.
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I think the story wouldnt have brought out so much heat without the title
I thought the title was a bit much. But it has everyone talking, so maybe it was the right move.
Perhaps I used figurative language too liberally there.
It was a bit of hyperbole I’ll admit.
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Well I just hope people don’t think I did it to stir up poop and get us attention.
I hope people would realize I wouldn’t.
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Well 5 rec’s so there must be some sort of silent majority that agrees.
And unlike other SBN blogs, I haven’t seen a petition yet for my removal so I’m ahead of the game lol.
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All heck will break loose once someone on Daily Norseman sees this, though.
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I just Rec'd it for that reason
I can’t wait for tomorrow night when some of them come here and see the title at the top of the site. They’re going to lose their shit!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
I rec'd it.
I agree, I’ve been vocal. I don’t hate Favre but he does things that rub me the wrong way as well.
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 10, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a different standard
It’s always going to be there. I’m sure you remember the game Favre played after his father died. A lot of GB fans remember that as one of the greatest games Favre ever played. I remember his just throwing up bombs and his receivers going up and getting the balls over the backs of defenders who were in position to make picks on nearly every single one. Will McNabb ever get respect? probably not. Will Favre? Probably. Maybe Favre jokes around with the media, and is nice to them in the locker room.
Just look at Fatcessa. He HATES the jets with a passion. Why? Simply because they won’t go on his show.
McNabb is a great player
who was shit all over just for being in Philly.
Let’s see how Vick and/or Kolb pan out in the city or with the media.
They did a pretty good amount of booing too.
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Philly fans hated McNabb so much that Kolb/Vick are basically getting a free pass for a season or two.
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Actually it is a crime.
Sexual harassment doesn’t involve jail time but more serious crimes such as criminal sexual conduct or criminal stalking can be attached to this incident. She showed no interest yet he still sent nude pictures to her. If it’s proven that he is at fault he can be brought up on charges.
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 10, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless they are going to do a lineup with a bunch of you know whats
I doubt this will go anywhere. They will never be able to prove anything.
There is ways they can.
I haven’t seen the pics but recently a story came out that in one of the pictures you can clearly see a watch being wore, supposedly this watch was worn by favre not too long ago. Not saying this is die hard evidence but it’s something and if he even seems the slightest bit guilty Goodell can take action. The league is currently investigating the incident. Don’t forget that Woods got his back put against the wall from voicemails as well.
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 10, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I do believe something like that is possible.
Do I personally believe Sterger and someone else devised some hoax to frame Favre and went as far as to fake pictures, voicemails and emails? No I don’t believe that.
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 10, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he did it too, HAHA
Just saying he couldve been framed. Strange how she looks like she could be related to his wife. Also very odd, like Brett, she was one and done.
Michael Jackson????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Maybe we’ll see a Favre video where he’s staring at the camera saying how embarassed he was to have pictures of his genetials taken!!!
What are you talking about?
So he "allegedly" hit on a few ladies. Bad judgement? Yes. A crime? No.
Im not calling out YJ but he said it wasn’t a crime. I simply explained how it is a crime. I’m not bashing anyone, I said if he’s proven to send those pictures if everything is true he can be charged with a crime. Why so hostile?
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 10, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
hostile, huh?
project much?
Apologies for missing where he said it wasn’t a crime. It is. In most jurisdictions.
severity also depends on location committed and nature of the harassment/lwed conduct.
Using a cell phone for interstate communication to commit a crime would probably have the most serious implications but something like that is never pursued and would be thrown out anyway.
thats what I mean
Jaywalking is a crime but its not really pursued. When I hear the word crime, naked photos sent by text message isnt going to be in the top 10 answers on my Family Feud board if you know what I mean.
In Minnesota
The lesser charge of criminal sexual conduct comes with no less than 90 days in jail.
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 10, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Check it out.
If you are found guilty of a sex crime, you could be looking at a gross misdemeanor or felony offense. Your jail sentence could be anywhere from 90 days to 30 years in prison depending on the severity of your case.
In Minnesota any crime sex related is a sex crime and if charged with a sex crimes 90 days is the minimum sentence.
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 10, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Did it happen in MN?
The number is from LA, and the receiving number is in NY. Goes across state lines, so it becomes a federal crime. I couldn’t see him being charged criminally with anything other than indecent exposure, and i doubt that would stick as she obviously didn’t care enough to report it when it happened. But, that’s not to say she couldn’t sue the jets for millions. Much like when the Knicks got nailed for Thomas’s perverted comments.
It actually happened in NY.
The NY charges are probably even more sever then Minnesota’s. But I don’t think indecent exposure would be all he would get. Since she said no and showed no interest if favre kept at it, it could be considered as criminal stalking and sexual conduct. It’s not up to me to decide if they would put that charge on him or not though. I think it can go even way. So yeah I guess indecent exposure could be all. we both could be right.
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 10, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The only real problem
He might have is his wife. If this is true, and she leaves him, doing 90 days in jail is nothing compared to losing half his earnings for the last 14 years, and then paying her alimony for the rest of his life. Not to mention, he’s got kids, and a grandkid.
She aint leaving
She knows all about Brett’s infidelity. She even wrote about it in her book.
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If he showed his penis to a woman who didn't ask to see it, that is a crime.
go outside and you try it. Indecent exposure, sexual harassment and I’m sure those are iilegal punishable offenses. But on the sports side, how many people are kiiling Revis for his holdout because it effects the team, he’s not in football shape. People went on and on about Revis should be about the team and not being selfish. People are still pissed at Revis yet John can’t say what he wants about Farve?
by george JETson on Oct 11, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
John can say whatever he likes
It doesnt mean we have to agree with it. And Brett didnt go outside and pull his penis out, why the hell would I? Maybe Brett was just pranking the girl after her rejection. As far as Revis, his being out hasnt hurt the team, if anything it has helped it.
John
It’s your site, and your opinion. Just because i disagree with your reasoning, doesn’t make one single word you wrote wrong. And if you want to take things down, or promote things on your site, that’s all up to you and your staff. The day you start changing your opinions because of things other people say on the site, is the day this site will suck.
Well thanks, Bill. And I understand we won’t all agree on everything. And that’s a good thing. I hope we can have a good discussion out of this.
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Just don't change yourself because of this.
I use to read and post on metsblog.com. Then one day, cerrone posted how he loved it when endy chavez made his catch to rob a homerun in the NLCS and then jogged across the infield with the ball. I was at the game, remember it like it was yesterday. And i posted a comment about how he was wrong. Chavez didn’t jog across the infield with the ball. He threw it in after catching it for a double play. Rather than say… Oh ya, that was great. he just decided to delete my comment. Rather than admit a mistake, he chose to delete a comment. It’s his site, it’s run his way. I don’t like it, and i haven’t been back since. I’ve never seen anything like that happen here. If we have a disagreement with the mods (Like right now) the mods let the conversation roll and take what comes.
I would rather you didnt take it down either
I would rather everybody is allowed to have an opinion…no matter how wrong yours is this time,lol.
I won’t. The post in question was an administrative matter that I really don’t want to discuss in public.
Honestly the backlash here is nothing compared with some of the other stuff I’ve written, lol.
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Please dont take it like I dont like the job you do
Just not a fan of this article. Which means you are still probably batting about .839 to me,lol
Of course not, guys. :-)
Like I say, if you guys think an article I write stinks, I want to hear about it. I want to discuss it. I want to argue it. Respectful disagreement is what makes a site like this special.
I asked for your input a few days ago on how to make the site better. I mean that. I don’t just want to hear “John you’re great” if you guys don’t believe something I’ve written has been. I knew going in that this would not be everybody’s favorite post and that it would be controversial.
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Im not going to say the writing stinks because it doesnt
I think the title was what really got me going. I hope Favre stinks come Monday night.
It shows you’ve got a brain.
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Then why the hell did I pick the Jets as my team?
Maybe I need to go see the wizard and ask for some gray matter
Or maybe this year is the reason.
I won’t do that bill. You guys may think this article stinks. You guys may think I stink as a writer. It comes with the territory. I can take it and will be happy to discuss it. That’s what this site is about.
You said something wrong earlier, though. You said this was my site. That’s not true. I am only the point man. This site would be worthless if we didn’t have such great followers like you, YJ, and Bro Namath. I especially want to hear from you guys when you disagree with me.
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I can tell you on thing
I can only speak for myself, but i think your writing is great. And it is your site. You developed it, you run it. And unlike a lot of other sites, you seem to value the opinions of the people the comment and contribute in the fan post sections every so often. Which is why i love the site.
And as i’m trying to think about what’s wrong with sports today…. I can really only think of one thing…. The amount of money it costs to watch a game in person. $100 upper deck tickets are what’s wrong with sports.
Now this I can agree with
Taking a family of four to a sporting event cost more than some people make in a week.
I'm doing my internship in a low income school
I see kids come in with the same clothes all week because their parents can’t afford more. And on friday, the kids go nuts when one of the teachers starts the eagles chant in the morning. They all start booing. And you look at them, and know that 90% of them can’t afford to got to the stadium to see the team they love in person. It completely sucks!!!!
I had a similar job in college. It’s quite eye opening.
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Ya.
Drives me crazy. I’m 34, back in school for my masters in school counseling. Got tired of sales. Love the job and the kids, but some days are just tough. You can’t help everyone.
Off topic
but for the record, I think it’s very admirable that you have the guts to do something like that. I see a lot of people at my job who hate it but don’t ever make the necessary sacrifices to do something fulfilling.
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Don't give me too much credit
My wife makes enough money to pay the mortgage, and i’m getting unemployment. So money isn’t really an issue. I just got sick of what i was doing. Making 6 figures isn’t all it’s cracked up to be when you don’t know if you’ll still have a job tomorrow.
It’s true that favorable circumstances play a role in helping people out, but at the same time you’re making the most of things. A lot of people wouldn’t. It’s also great that you have a wife supporting you.
My kudos stand.
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Thanks John
And yes. My wife is awesome. I’ve got my mancave, an HD projector, a 12 ft screen, and the sunday ticket. What more can you ask for.
So lucky man. Your wife is awesome!
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 10, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion (well at least they should be). Right, wrong, or indifferent that’s what stimulated all the dialogue in this lengthy thread.
: )
by nationalist88 on Oct 10, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to burst your bubble
But it isn’t sports. It’s society, and why should these athletes be expected to be any different than our society as a whole? Personally, i will never root for Michael Vick for the rest of my life. I will never root for Stallworth either. I see them as scum. But the fans in philly have a different view of vick than i do. I see little kids wearing his eagles jersey to school, and i wonder how their parents could possible buy them the jersey of a man who murdered dogs for fun. If you want to talk about other things, how about we look into our most valued right…. The right to vote. Ted Kennedy got drunk, crashed his car into a river, and walked home while his assistant drowned in the car he just crashed. What happened to him???? He was elected by members of societe again, and again, and again, and again, and would have kept being elected if he hadn’t died. Want to look at NY? There’s a congressman who has lied and cheated his way to riches, is facing numerous ethics violations related to his lies, and is more than likely going to be chosen again to represent the people of his congressional district. How about entertainment…. Chris Brown beats the hell out of a woman, and people still want to buy his album and take pictures with him. It’s everywhere. You want to talk about Favre being scum and selfish, how about our ex president who got a BJ in the most respected office on the planet, then lied to congress about it. What happened to him???? He gets paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak to people, and is still loved by millions of people. What these guys do on their own time is up to them. They’re humans. If Favre did what he’s accused of doing, i really hope his wife takes him for everything. Let Dena take half his money and move on. If you want to say he he’s selfish and costs his team games, go ahead. He’s no longer on the jets, and if that selfishness will help my Jets win, i love everything about it.
Very one-sided.
He has single handedly brought down seasons because he forced balls he has known better than to throw so that he could play the hero.
Is it JUST so he can become a hero? I really doubt that. Favre resurrected the Viking season last year with ONE great throw, and lead them on a magical run, and a near MVP season for himself at age 40. This was just last year. This was everything that is RIGHT we sports. If he had done the same thing with the Jets you would have canonized him. It is WRONG to say that he represents everything wrong with sports. He represents many things, most of them not as bad as you wish to paint them.
This brings me to what is wrong with the media. This is an age of sacred cows in the sports media.
Check out the way sports players were covered in the 40s, 50s and 60s. If you think that THIS is the age of sacred cows, in comparison nothing could be further from the truth.
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by kv on Oct 10, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
On a separate note
Kerry Rhodes scored again this week. The Jets really lit a fire under this guy by sending him away it seems.
Kerry Rhodes represents everything that is wrong with sports.
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Mark Gastineau
I’m still not happy about how his sack record was broken. It was a total joke.
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Well...
It is nice that you decided to use your soapbox to personally attack a guy for something that has already been said over and over by the media and fans.
Yes, Favre had a hard time leaving the game he has played and loved for more than 30 years of his life. As I imagine anyone would.
Yes, Favre sat out training camp and preseason games. I would rather have him struggle early catching up and maybe win some games on the shoulders of my defense and RB than to have the old man fall apart down the stretch.
People don’t seem to take that into consideration.
Yes, he wanted to go to the Vikings via a trade. If you were in his shoes, would you not want to go to the place where you had the best chance at winning?
What other team in the NFL had a more talented team with more questions at the QB position than the Vikings? What other team played in a similar, west-coast offense? What other team had an OC that used to be Favre’s QB coach in Darrell Bevell?
What place did he have the best chance to succeed? Minnesota.
Yes, the Packers were right in their plan not to send Favre to Minnesota. Trading a guy like Favre to a division rival is a poor business decision. But it is a business decision. Favre wanted to go where he would win a Super Bowl, and would do anything for it.
Wouldn’t you like to have someone who would do anything to win a Super Bowl on your team? That is EXACTLY what makes Favre great. He does what it takes, even if the outcome is painful.
If he wasn’t a gunslinger, if he didn’t take risks like he does, then plays like the Favre to Lewis pass to win against the 49’ers last year would never have happened.
But whatever, I want to talk football, not about how a guy who used to be on your team now disappoints you.
Why don’t you complain about Vincent Jackson and his selfishness? What about TO, Haynesworth and other people who went out of their way to INTENTIONALLY harm their own team for their own selfish reasons?
What place did he have the best chance to succeed? Minnesota.
I would argue the team with the number one run game and number one defense in the league that went to the AFC Championship game with a rookie quarterback after he left. That was also the team with which he was under contract.
Why don’t you complain about Vincent Jackson and his selfishness? What about TO, Haynesworth and other people who went out of their way to INTENTIONALLY harm their own team for their own selfish reasons?
The Jets aren’t playing any of their teams this week.
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He didn’t stay with the Jets or go to some other team or retire, though. He went to Minnesota to spite the Packers’ management and hurt legions of fans who loved him in the process.
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I believe this.
He left the Jets even though he was under contract with us and didnt retire. For what reason? Maybe he couldn’t handle NY, maybe he didn’t like the players and when he realized he could get revenge he took the opportunity. Or maybe revenge was always on his intention. I believe it played a part in his decision either way.
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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 10, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Trading a guy like Favre to a division rival is a poor business decision. But it is a business decision.
IMHO I really think Green Bay would have let him go anywhere he wanted if he didn’t anger the FO so much.
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I dont
They knew Brett had something left, this wasnt a Chargers/LDT divorce. This was more of a Joe Montana/49ers type divorce. I also dont think hurting Packers fans was what Brett wanted either. The guy wanted to keep playing, the Packers tried to say no. You cant hate Brett for that.
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a chance.
You don’t trade the face of your franchise to a division rival unless you don’t care about losing your job and potentially finding a severed horse head in your bed.
I would argue the team with the number one run game and number one defense in the league that went to the AFC Championship game with a rookie quarterback after he left. That was also the team with which he was under contract.
Favre initiall wanted to go to the Vikings before the ’08 season, the season you guys had him for. That year, the Vikings were in a better position than the Jets.
The Jets aren’t playing any of their teams this week.
That’s right.
Personally
I think we should welcome Farve back. I don’t like the dog and pony show either, but the man put it on the line for the JETS when he played here. So we should show him the respect he deserves and then kick his and his friggin teams ass back to whatever Mary Tyler Moore fantasy freak show that they came from.
These are the points of the main post (after the jump)
1. Favre single handedly brings down seasons. (paragraph 1)
2. The media has sacred cows. (paragraph 2)
3. Favre has a big ego. (paragraph 3)
4. Fans don’t like selfish players, Favre was selfish for wanting Randy Moss. (paragraph 4)
In answer
1. Favre single handedly redeems seasons, last year was the most recent.
2. Check out how the media handled players in past decades.
3. Favre plays injured like an ironman. Cal Ripkin was called an egotist too.
4 Gee, I wonder how Randy Moss played after NE got him.
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These are all great points
Moss still had plenty left when NE got him for a 4th round pick. Didnt he set the TD record his first season with NE? If anything Brett looks like he might have a futre in the GM business,lol.
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
1. He also destroyed that season with a terrible interception.
2. Doesn’t matter. It wasn’t ok then. It’s not ok now.
3. I wasn’t talking about him playing hurt.
4. Do you think Tom Brady would have turned on the organization had Green Bay worked out a deal for Moss?
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1. He also destroyed that season with a terrible interception.
2. Doesn’t matter. It wasn’t ok then. It’s not ok now.
3. I wasn’t talking about him playing hurt.
4. Do you think Tom Brady would have turned on the organization had Green Bay worked out a deal for Moss?
1. So is it everything wrong with sports to risk a season, but also to save make many seasons? The guy has been a hero far more than a goat.
2. Who says its not okay now, just because you live in the era? Why would sacred cowism be bad now, but not in the 70s? Why would it be “everything wrong with sports” today, and everything right with sports yesterday?
3. You were not talking about him playing hurt, but playing hurt is part of everything is right with sports. You cannot paint JUST a negative picture.
4. Tom Brady was in a very different place in his career, and on a team with very different prospects for winning. But the idea that you can compare someone to Brady and say “If you don’t to things that Tom Brady would do, you represent EVERYTHING wrong with sports”. It is not “Be Tom Brady, or be the worst guy in the world”. And actually, I don’t like Tom Brady very much, thank you.
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by kv on Oct 11, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He just wanted to win. Everything that is wrong with sports.
Hey, I was one of those that actually hated Favre for most of his career, and it finally got to the point that he was so damn ridiculously talented and pure in effort, it became silly to hate the guy. He won me over with his greatness, just like Montana did.
Does he have a few warts, warts that come from the very essence of what makes someone a great competitor and player. I’m sure he does. But to expect anything less is to expect comic book heroes.
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Why I hate Brett Favre.
I hate Brett Favre because he’s a scumbag fraud.
We all fell in love with the guy when he won the SB with the Packers. He had a 100 mph fast ball and could sling it anywhere. He would get driven into the turf by Warren Sapp and get up smiling and smack him on the ass. He smiled at defenders when they didn’t bite on his fake “huts” when he was trying to draw them off-sides. And he had that all too well-known youthful exuberance that seemed so pure. He seemed to be all “aw shucks i’m just gonna go out there and sling it around and play my heart out.” Bullshit.
He’s as cool and calculating as a reptile who was driven purely by his personal glory, not the team. He’s footballs version of Roger Clemens.
He tried to claim he was pushed out of Green Bay. BS. He was a well-respected, cash-cow, veteran that could have worked out a trade where ever he wanted so long as it wasn’t within the division. Him trying to claim the Packers pushed him out is a scumbag move.
He wants the team to win so long as its him thats leading them to glory. Like JB said, he’ll always go for the spectacular rather than making the play thats best for the team.
He hides behind his cultivated “aw shucks” image and holds up the Vikings for extra cash over the summer. Is that reported? Nope. Just swept under the rug. He claims he was contemplating retirement. Oh really? Then why take the money? Why not let the team spend it on upgrades? Say what you about Revis, at least he was straight about what he was after. Favre used his cultivated image for profit. He duped us all. What he did this summer was nothing more than a hold out. He said, “Pay me, or I’m not playing.” He’s a calculating manipulator.
He cares more about his precious streak than he does about the team. Yup, he knew he wasn’t 100%, yet he never let on that he was injured and he continued to let his team lose game after game because of his ineptitude. Now the Vikings will exerience much the same tomorrow night, when Favre tries again and again to sling it up to Moss despite the tendinitis in his throwing elbow which cause his ducks to float into the arms of Jets defenders. And his minion of apologists will praise him for his guttiness on Tuesday morning rather than his selfish vanity.
Last, but not least, he’s a creep. We all know that the odds that his deviant behavior is isolated to his time with the Jets are slim at best. Seriously, who behaves like that? Who runs around sending pics of his package to chicks they want to get with? What else has he done? How many times? How many times did he cheat on his wife?
The guy is not at all who we thought he was. He knew that all along, but he duped us for profit. I for one am glad the light is being shined on that cockroach, and I’ll enjoy watching him scurry.
I guess Favre shouldnt try to get his max value?
If you can get more money, you wouldnt? As a vet shouldnt he have the right to play where he wants? And he wasnt pushed out of GB, they just wanted him to go into camp in a battle for the QB job. He shouldnt have minded that, right? Joe Montana didnt go for it years ago, and Favre shouldnt have either. Im not a Favre apologist but just because he isnt a Jet anymore it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number 1 either.
He clearly stated that the Packers pushed him into retirement. He couldn’t man up and just be honest with everybody that he changed his mind. It was a scumbag move. He’s a grown up. He made decision. Just say you changed your mind if you change your mind. Don’t try to make it seem like you’re an innocent mentally challenged little boy who was tricked into retiring.
If he wants more money, then man up and hold out for more money. Why pretend you’re going to retire?
And its not about whether or not he’s a Jet. Its about him being a scumbag and being celebreated like he’s some deity. He won one Superbowl and choked away about a half dozen other opportunites.
Your hate rant Crackback almost makes me hope he beats the Jets, just, you know.
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by kv on Oct 11, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
kv I agree.
I will be rooting for the Jets of course but some part of me deep down will be smiling if he rolls 41 on us tonight and shuts all these clowns up.
We are agreeing a lot this week. I getting worried. :).
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by kv on Oct 11, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
*I’m
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by kv on Oct 11, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't even scratch the Surface
of everything that is wrong with Football vis-a-vis ESPN.
So tired of the cult of personality, ESPN spending all offseason basically hanging out at his farm. That the biggest story every offseason on ESPN the last three years was the Favre story.
Favre sits back and wants to claim he’s just a regular guy, in his rustlers working on the farm. Maybe he helps the local high school by throwing a few passes their way, but he doesn’t want the spotlight. He’s just your average guy.
When the reality is that he is a complete priss whose Ego over rules all. There’s nothing he loves more then those ESPN reporters on his lawn. There’s nothing he loves more then the thought that teams couldn’t go on without him. And while the last two seasons it’s been the Vikings going out to get him, remember that the Packers were done with him three seasons ago. He couldn’t live with the fact that the Packers were going to be fine with him.
To top it off, it’s always annoying when a rule gets changed for a star player. That they went through all the trouble of changing the playoff overtime rule because Favre was on the sideline as the Saints drove into Field Goal range and won on their first possession. It’s almost as annoying as the Brady rule about grabbing QBs from below the legs.
Favre just needs to go away, and hopefully the Vikings collapse to the point that he doesn’t want to return again.
The most annoying thing is going to be when he retires and Packer fans let him back and cheer him again.
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Farve tanked it in 2008 on purpose
First of all let me premise my comment on the fact that I did not like the Farve pickup in 2008. This is my opinion but when the Jets were rolling that year Farve knew if the team made the playoffs he was going to be stuck in a Jets uniform for 2009, which he did not want. He selfishly took the job so he could stay in the league and knew even then he wanted to play for the Vikes in 2009. He then started one of the worst midseason collapses of all time. Even worse then Ken Obrien’s because it was done intentionally. Then we learn the next year that he was injured. Massive CYA. At the end of the season he retires and we release him and then all of the sudden he is ok to play and signs with the Vikes for no other reason then to beat the Packers.. Did not really like him before he was a Jet and now I could say I have more respect for the turd I just flushed down the toilet.
One year too many!
To gas to the fire—what if sexual allegations are true and he gets banned for a few games, essentially dooming a season going down. How many Packers fans will rejoice when he exits the game a disgraced old man?
As a Vikings & a long-time Favre fan, I’m not gonna agree with a lot of this, nor am I gonna argue with them here on your site. The fact is there may be some kernels of truth to some points made here, even if much of it is blown way out of proportion.
I also recognize Favre may be — rightly so — a sore spot for many Jets fans. In the spat between Favre and Ted Thompson of the Packers, the party that got it worst was the Jets. Both sides used you — Thompson because you stepped up as an alternative to sending Favre to the compromise place that had been agreed for him to go (Tampa), Favre because Thompson pulling that switcharoo in the middle of the night put him in a position that he had to weasel out of the remainder of the contract traded to you in order to undo what had been unwillingly done to him (he was clear to Packers that he wanted to be traded to a warm weather/dome team running WCO, because that’s the only environment he thought he was still capable of being successful in. Obviously the Jets were neither a warm weather/dome, or west coast offense, team). So, you guys became collateral in the Thompson-Favre chess game, due to decisions by Favre and Tannenbaum — if Favre would have had his way, or even had HALF his way (the Tampa compromise), none of that would have ever happened — and I can definitely see how that would rub you the wrong way about the guy. Although I hope you guys now have enough info about how that deal went down that you can understand at least a LITTLE bit why Favre did what he did to you in Feb 2009, and I hope you don’t completely forget that a lot of your players actually got a lot out of the year Favre was here, particularly Keller and Mangold. Not all your players were like Thomas Jones.
I am just going to thank most of you for conducting this discussion where it belongs, on your site. Most of you appear to be reasonable people and don’t feel it is your mission to go over to DN and force feed us your opinions, in the face of almost universal feedback that its not appreciated. Sadly, the very few who do choose to do that, only seem to feed off the fact that no one over at DN values what they are doing. They get their jollies out of it, apparently (looking at you in particular, MikeTheIntern).
Anyway, looking for a great game tonight. I think on both sides we are excited to see for the first time how major new pieces will fit, and how good of shape major “old” pieces will rebound from injury and adversity. Really psyched for this game — the game played on the field, not all the crap being thrown around off it — win or lose!
I can agree with your point but disagree with the reasoning.
I definitely think we did get the worst of the Packers/Favre seperation, but I don’t think most of us are bitter because of this. Favre has made an anti-following of sorts with his retiring/not retiring/I’ll let you know 10 minutes before our first regular season game. It was obnoxious the first time. The third time was ad nausiem, especially from how the media emphasises it every year.
That being said I do agree that the teams he affects have extra fodder to lay in the arguement and more reason to dislike him. Even the Vike fans should dislike this guy. He was the rival QB for over a decade. This is similar to the JT to the Jets situation but emphasised 100X over.
I read the posts over at DN and I can’t agree with you here. The only thing distasteful is DNs inability to debate an outside opinion with some class. The overwelming unity you guys have is commendable until you consider the fact that it was just pure hate with no point. I mean you guys 100% killed out “Ask a Jet” post over there by just mindlessly bashing ideas with no backup to your arguement and many times not even making a point just hurling a pointless insult.
I mean you guys 100% killed out "Ask a Jet" post over there by just mindlessly bashing ideas with no backup to your arguement and many times not even making a point just hurling a pointless insult.
Hmm, Bjorno asked you for followup to explain yourself on that already, and you ignored it. So I’ll repeat his polite request. This is the thread you are talking about. Please explain how your characterization applies to this thread. Neither Bjorno nor I can figure out what you are referring to. Honestly. As I wrote before, ironically the most pointless bashing that went on there wasn’t even against a Jets fan, it was one fan taking issue with a Vikes fan wishing you a “good game.”
Something in that thread apparently bothers you enough that you keep re-posting your distaste for it in threads over here — and in some cases doing it in a direct reply to a Vikes fan, as you do here with me. Hopefully if it is that important to you, you can spend an additional minute or two giving examples of what you are talking about, so I/we can understand your point? Thanks.
As stated in that same post from that article,
I was referring to this article:
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2010/10/9/1740817/five-good-questions-with-gang-green-nation#storyjump
I think that will help with your question instead of implying I ignored something or keep rehashing it. Why do I keep rehashing it? Because you keep taking digs at people over here for being distasteful and the such, see your above comment for an example. It’s just an erroneous statement that I am trying to clarify, but alas they have defended themselves aptly already.
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