Did Cincy Gain Any Sort of Edge?
by John B on Jan 5, 2010 10:30 AM EST
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PrintOne theory I heard prior to Sunday's game was the Bengals would benefit because they would be able to get the Jets' attack on film before the Playoffs and hold something back since they didn't need to win. That had a bit of merit, but I don't really think things played out that way.
The Bengals only ran 40 offensive plays, and a number of these were in garbage time. They had the ball less than 19 minutes. How much of the Jets' defense did they really see? Rex has a big playbook with plenty of variety. They didn't really get a good taste.
Consider this as well. They couldn't have looked worse against this. Even if they got the full view, they'll have to spend the entire week correcting things. It's one thing to know what's coming. It's quite another to be able to stop it. This defense has confounded teams all years long. Can the Bengals make the leaps and bounds necessary in a short week to even adequately perform against the unit?
Time will tell. I don't think the Bengals got any edge out of what happened Sunday in their preparation for the Wild Card game, though.
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one thing i would consider
and before i say it, i’ll tell you that i also don’t believe we shouldn’t have looked that bad against you last week no matter what. however, one thing to consider is that palmer has been going up against rex ryan’s defenses for years. and he actually has had some measure of success against it. either way, your defense is killer and we have to figure out how to attack it.
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I agree. I doubt any edge was gained.
These guys coached defense together in Baltimore and theres an entire season of film to evaluate.
One thing gained is that players became actually familiarized with each other. That is, they now know exactly how strong and fast the opponent is. But this was gained by both sides.
Perhaps the only thing they really gained was that they now know for certain that if they don’t bring their A-game they will get trounced on Saturday.
I'm not so sure...
I believe it is very possible that the Bengals walk away with more than we did in respect to knowledge of your opposition. The Bengals team we faced on Sunday was not at all the true Bengals team while the New York team they faced was exactly as advertised, minus rookie QB mistakes. While it is true that there is plenty of film for both teams to go on…film isn’t everything. I worry that the Jets will be lulled into a false sense of security, which given their tumultuous history is very probable. I am still of the mind set that we can and will beat the Bengals come Saturday but I am also aware that it will not be the same team we saw Sunday.
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Of course it will be a different team and a different effort.
But we still dominated just about every individual matchup all game on Sunday. I still dont think that they will have an answer for that trap play that we killed them with all nite. Benson is a good back, but he’s not that much better than LJ. Their starting O did nothing against us, and dont have the fire power to put up points on our D. I wouldnt be suprised if we held them to less than 10 pts.
The gameplan
the Jets seemed like they used an entirely separate game plan this past week than they did all year. so i guess they showed some of their plays, but on the other hand, which game plan do you prepare for?
Cincy got nothing, their all over their talking about laying down, not tipping the hands, how their going to roll this Saturday. Their offence wasn’t on the field long enough to see the defence, and Rex has around 1,000 plays in his arsenal, and our offence ran a power running game which is vanilla, a you know it’s coming but can you stop it. Rex said in his conference their are several plays with Smith throwing from the wildcat. If they think they saw everything we had to offer, or even half of what we have then they are mistaken. It will be closer sure, but their over confidence is unfounded, and it’s pretty insulting, so let’s hope we shut them up.
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I've watching their chatter also and your 100% right.
Nobody really has an intelligent argument for why things will be different. I can buy that their D-line will perform better since most of their starters sat, but their justification for Benson creating some kind of magic that will ignite their offense baffles me. It is a complete lack of respect for our defense IMO. We blew them off both sides of the ball and spanked them 37-0. I think this is match-up heaven for us.
Like i said b4, LJ is no slouch. If Benson is an upgrade from LJ (i.e. IF), its not by much. Their offense matched against our defense (if Harris can go) is no match at all.
intelligent arguments
-you came up with one on your own, the d-line and chris crocker at safety. the guy replacing him was an undrafted college free agent. that’s a big drop off.
-the offense playing with fire and finishing off their blocks. i don’t know if you watched the same game, but to me the bengals looked like they didn’t want to tackle or be tackled. they were playing to not get hurt.
-benson is an up the middle runner. to me, that’s where your weakness is. especially with jenkins on IR and harris questionable.
-the WRs dropped 4 or 5 passes. Those are braylon edwards numbers, not the usual for cincinnati receivers. in the playoffs, they make those catches.
-the bengals d showed absolutely nothing. if you think a coordinator the caliber of zimmer isn’t going to throw more than that at your rookie QB, then you have no business talking about football.
-chad was getting some separation from revis on a field he could barely cut on. i have all the respect in the world for revis and think he’s one of the best corners in the NFL, but i don’t think he blanks 85 again.
-lastly, ryan’s d is the same d as he ran in baltimore with different players. the corners are better, but the safety’s aren’t. palmer has consistently done well against rex ryan defenses and i think he has potential to carry that into this game.
i think it will be a good game and i wouldn’t be a bengals fan if i didn’t think they had a chance to win. and as for the wyatt, whom i had to try very hard not to ridicule for his numerous spelling errors, i think there’s more overconfidence from the jets and the media about the jets than there is from the bengals or their fans. look around the web, most people see us losing to you and think we have no chance. and that’s been where the bengals perform at their best.
good luck.
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I can’t see too many spelling errors??
You will be better, but if you think you saw everything we had, then you don’t deserve to be talking football. We will have to wait and see.
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Did spot the their they’re mistake, unfortunately no edit button.
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Like I said I held back
But offense and defense are spelled with s’s.
RIP Slim.
by brandone on Jan 5, 2010 4:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Check the flag image, that’s to give people a hint at why I spell things differently. They are spelt with a C in English.
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he has to come here and make fun of your writing, thats sad
by chrebetsthebet on Jan 5, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Palmer has consistently played well against Rex's defense??? WTF???
He’s been hurt for 2 seasons and hasnt exactly lit it up this year. Yes we’ll stick Revis on Nocho and roll 8 in the box for Benson and blow ur o-line 3 yrds backwards AGAIN. Then when its third and long and that upright, immobile statue that u call ur QB has guys rupturing his spleen u can come back here tell me about how ur team “wasnt really trying”… AGAIN.
As for throwing more at our rookie QB… good luck with that. We’re probably just going to keep running it until Shonn Greene knocks that starting safety on his ace too. Then hit B Edwards over the top when u try to sneak him down into the box. The only way Sanchez throws the ball in this one is if ur team somehow gets up two scores this time, which is highly unlikely since u had ZERO passing yards last game.
Granted it wont be nearly the route that it was the last time Mr. Spelling Bee. Im guessing 17-6 Jets.
I completely agree with you CB. They can throw what they like, they can send 8 if they want, but he’s just going to hand it off, so that’s really not much of a valid argument. You also have to get past one of the best offensive lines and blocking fullbacks. You will be better, and no Jets fan on here is ignorant enough to argue otherwise, but a little credit where it is due would go a long way.
When did Benson turn into Chris Johnson by the way? Benson is a very good back, but so is Larry Johnson, if Benson wants to run straight at Pouha/Scott and Harris that’s his choice, but if he is a little banged up already, don’t expect him to last too long.
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Blind homerism
At least I admitted that the jets had talent. I gave respect where it was due.
I’ve been watching Palmer battle ryan’s d for years in the afc north and so I think I have some clue of what I speak. Look at palmers record against Baltimore the past few years.
I also saw a lot of Edwards as I went to a big ten school and also saw him the past few years in the afc north. We’ve shut him down more often than not and have our own nice cb tandem. But I wouldn’t expect you to know anything about a team other than the jets.
If the jets are sooooo good and unstoppable as you let on, then why didn’t they go 16-0? I would think with the points you made that no one could hold a candle to them.
I guess good luck next year as you have apparently already won the Lombardi trophy.
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by brandone on Jan 5, 2010 5:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Congratulations on taking something completely out of context. We are replying to the blatant homerism that Bengals fans are showing saying how that whole result came thanks to you guys allowing it to happen, so don’t bring the ignorance argument here, because that’s not what this is about.
Already said that Benson is a very good back, we understand that you are 10-6 for a reason, and we respect a lot of your players, what they can do etc Just look at the majority of discussions with JungleJohn who we have enjoyed having over.
However mutual respect gets lost when one team is completely over looking the fact that playing all out or not, we just beat you 37-0, with your full offence on the field for the first half you didn’t have a single passing yard. Sure Benson will improve that, but at some point you have to say even if we were not going all out, your defence shut us down.
We are not unstoppable (obviously), but we will defend a team who has been battered and bruised, blamed and crucified for getting the job done and getting to the post season. We won’t apologise for beating the Texans in week one and holding the breaker over them as a result. The team feels disrespected, with talk that we were ‘let’ into the post season, and then you have fans like yourself who seem to give no credit or merit to a team who beat you 37-0.
Numerous times I have said with logical opposition fans that this isn’t going to be the same, but those are the fans who give credit to a team who leads the league in several areas. I respect the Bengals immensely, I know the talent you have, and on your day you can beat anyone in the league, much like ourselves. However what I won’t accept is the idea that the only reason we won that game on Sunday is because you ‘let’ us win.
So if you want to plead ignorance or probably more suited, arrogance. Then turn that analytical finger pointing towards yourself first.
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i think the bengals d will be a lot tougher come saturday. that’s pretty much a given since they’ll be getting some players back. that alone changes the entire complex of the game from last week. there were a bunch of dropped passes last week too, so assuming chad johnson is healthy enough to play and the dropped passes dont happen, i can see it being a much tougher game for us. on the flip side, we’re rolling on a high. hopefully we can keep the intensity up and play like we just played. it’s definitely going to be a more competitive game in the second round. im looking forward to it. gotta love the playoffs!
and on an unrelated side note, i have a running bet with a friend from SD. if the chargers beat the jets in the playoffs, i have to get a lightning bolt shaved into my hair. if the jets beat them, he gets JETS shaved into his. double insignias if they play in the afc championship game. here’s to hoping we get through and further!
didn't i say the jets had talent?
i would consider myself a logical and informed football fan. i watch as much as i can and i feel like i give credit where it is due. never once did i say that i believed we “let you win” and in fact i believe i commented in another thread about how texans fans were whining about it.
This is the NFL. no one gets “let in” to the postseason. ask the steelers, the pats last year, etc. It doesn’t matter what a team does from year to year, all that matters is right now, the jets and the bengals are in the playoffs and a team has to be good to get there.
and you aren’t going to find fans of another team outside of detroit and cleveland who feel disrespected more than bengals fans. even when we were playing great at midseason, people were doubting us. and they still are. so i get defending your team. i think that’s where this is coming from, you’re defending yours and i’m defending mine.
i just think some things were overlooked in that game and if you watch a ton of bengals games, you would see a lot that was done differently all season.
that being said, AGAIN this is the NFL, and no team should lose 37-0. Therefore congrats. I just see an entirely different game coming this week. and a great one at that.
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I agree with you on the last point without a doubt and have said similar to that, I think it really has just come down to a miscommunication here. I trust that you have been reading the numerous articles, the plethora of sport show interviews about how the Jets don’t belong and were let in, and your right I don’t think you have said that, but right now Jets fans are having to defend this team left, right and centre. With the number one ranked rushing offence and the number one ranked defence, many are getting frustrated with having to defend a team with a decent resume. So apologies if we jumped the gun a little here and got off track of the initial intentions.
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no worries
i was just kind of doing the same. we have posted a top 5 rushing offense and defense all year as well. our teams are actually remarkably similar (we even both have former USC QBs and former bears RBs). perhaps that’s why both of us were are getting so much flack.
the steelers and ravens played in the AFC championship last year based largely on teams built similarly.
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Heck with that...
Talk some trash… ruffle some feathers… defend ur team… its all in fun. As long as we avoid the ad hominem attacks i think its ok to mix it up.
I am a little concerned at the early celebrating us Jets fans are doing. Some fans are already guessing who we are gonna play in the divisional round. Can we beat the Bengals on Saturday first. Most of us here are realistic football fans and we have to believe that the Bengals will no doubt play with more intensity then Sunday night.I think the Bengals are gonna come out and try to smack the Jets around to prove that they aren’t “soft”, like some have speculated. I tried to make the case to myself that the Bengals were on the decline because they just barely beat the Chiefs, but then the Chiefs put up 44 on the Broncos. I’m looking forward to saturday’s game to see how the Bengals come out and play.
Agree with you, over looking the Bengals would be idiotic, but then the Bengals over looking the Jets would be equally as idiotic. All the focus is on Saturday, we could win, we could lose, I think a lot of Jets fans are happy right now because with a rookie HC, a rookie QB, and two devastating injuries during the season, we are in the play-offs, and that is more than many expected.
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Being in the playoffs is the most important part. That’s why I am happy because I actually have another week to look forward to a Jets game. If they lose I will still be happy because with what Ryan is building the team will undoubtely be better next year. The future’s so bright I gotta wear shades!
P.S. Did I spell everything right? Haha just kidding
by chrebetsthebet on Jan 5, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
you mispelled undoubtedly, dude. thought we wouldn’t catch it huh? tsk tsk tsk
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Rex Ryan. No doubt he’s not taking the Bengals lightly, plus a likely “questionable” next to the team’s top tackler?
Harris is a go for Saturday so he can introduce himself to the running back on the Bengals, what’s his name? Someone help me out here
by chrebetsthebet on Jan 6, 2010 5:28 AM EST up reply actions
I really don’t understand that comment, either he is trying to talk a little trash or he is just showing what an idiot he is and how little film he watches in preparation. We have come up against better backs than him this year.
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Rex Ryan's Play
Since has about a thousand, how the hell does he call them. Does he memorize them cause there is not 1000 plays on the index card he carries around
And lets go back to Palmers games against a rex ryan defense
2008:
week 1 last year: 9/24 94 yards 1 interception 0 touchdowns
injured for the second game
2007: 194 yards 2 touchdowns
game 2: 271 yards 0 touchdowns and 2 fumbles
2006: 194 yards 1 touchdown 2 interceptions.
2009: 1/11 0 yards 1 interception
I would call 1 game a success. All the other games he has been turnover prone
May i remind you the jets are undefeated when winning the turnover margin
Good luck with that haha
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but
don’t forget 2005. he was there then as well.
1: 248 yards 2 tds
2: 302 yards 3tds 1 int.
but i can see why you’d leave that year out.
and how many of those games did they win? more than they lost. that’s for sure.
also, i would worry more about your QB (from football outsiders):
Sanchez particularly struggled with ball security. He committed 29 total turnovers (fumbles plus interceptions) this year, more than anyone except Jay Cutler. That’s a high total even for a rookie — only Collins, the elder Manning, David Carr and Tony Banks gave up the ball more freely in their first seasons. When Sanchez drops back to pass against Cincinnati, he’ll be facing steep competition — no team can boast of a pair of corners as good as the Bengals’ Leon Hall and Johnathan Joseph. The Bengals ranked fourth in DVOA against opposing No. 1 receivers, and against No. 2s. They were also first in the league against tight ends. Sanchez’s top three targets — wideouts Jerricho Cotchery and Braylon Edwards and tight end Dustin Keller — will have serious trouble getting open. The Bengals will take away not just the youngster’s security blanket, but also his teddy bear and his night light. In his first playoff game, on the road, with nobody open, it’s easy to imagine Sanchez committing multiple turnovers and setting the Bengals up with a short field.
but like i said, it’s going to be a good game and probably going to come down to who can shut down the other team’s running attack and force them to make a mistake.
RIP Slim.
Ha ha ha keep ur phony compliments to urself.
Funny but i don’t recall Sanchez dropping back 30x and scanning the field for an open receiver (except when Braylon dropped a 60 yrd TD). I do however recall the Jets running a simple trap play to the right side for 5 yards a pop virtually at will.
Might wanna worry about THAT before praying for Sanchez to hand you the game. By the way… if he does throw multiple picks, can we run around and say we let you guys win that game?
haha
can’t win with you guys apparently, either i’m not showing you enough respect or i’m giving out phony compliments. oh well.
like i said, we shouldn’t have lost the game the other night like we did as we were completely blown off the ball on both sides, however, i think you’re putting too much stock into how the jets played in that game. also, i’m going to give you a quick quiz, who are three of the most important players needed to stop a simple trap play? i’d say the DT, DE, and S. Who didn’t start on defense the other night? oh, our best DT, DE, and S.
Not saying you can’t do it again, just saying it is going to be tougher. As the bengals D was #1 in stopping the run before our starting FS and DT went out for 3-5 weeks.
and yes, if you lose, you can cry that you let us win all you want. but i have never said we let you win, merely we didn’t come to play.
RIP Slim.
Not coming to play
Is the same as letting the other team win. Two ways of describing the same outcome.
Im expecting to see a ton of Eric Smith on Saturday.
This is the exact type of game that suits his fancy. Looking foraward to seeing him fly around and laying wood.
Also am hoping that that hit Rhodes stuck on Nocho gave him a little taste of blood to whet his appetite. Maybe finally Mr. Rhodes will play with aggression.
Can’t wait til Saturday.
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