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Is there hope for Vernon Gholston?


Vernon Gholston was an absolute monster in college.  In his last college season, he recorded 14 sacks and was the only man to record a sack against, consensus number one pick, Jack Long.  Gholston's combination of size (6'4'', 265,) speed (4.58 40) and stregnth (37 reps) made him a highly coveted prospect.  The only knock on him was the fact that he hadn't played football his whole life and needed work on coverage and was thus labeled a bit of a project.  However. after only two seasons, fans and the media alike are not happy with how the project has been coming along.

Today, the Star Ledger reported that some members within the Jets are considering parting ways with Gholson.  If the Jets chose to due the latter, I'm sure there wouldn't be much of an outcry considering that many fans and media members alike believe that Gholston "either doesn’t care or doesn’t understand the magnitude of his non-production."  In fact, if anyone brings up some current Jets that were labelled as busts before breaking out this year, such as D'Brickashaw or Pouha, a common counter is "The difference is that POUHA LOVES the game and loves to compete. The GHOST is a workout warrior and does not LOVE contact or the sport."  I really can't stand arguments like that.  How can we, as fans, glean that Gholston doesn't love the game?  Is his medicore play and his enjoyment of working out really proof that he doesn't love the game?  Mets OF Jeff Francoeur loves country music and has stated that he'd trade being a baseball player for being a country singer, but I've never heard fans question Frenchy's love. 

While poor play is one reason fans think Gholston doesn't love football, Calvin Pace addresses another reason in this interview.

"The thing is with Vernon, he's the type of person where he's got the same demeanor every day," Pace said. "If something is funny, he's got the same demeanor. If something's bad, he's got the same demeanor. So, I always was like, 'Man, it's just hard to read him.' Then I'm thinking like, well, 'Does he like to play?' Because everybody plays for different reasons, whether it's for money or fame, whatever. But you play for something.  I know he likes to play. He takes notes, he watches film.  Everybody believes in (Gholston). Really, it's just getting to the point where he says, 'All right, I can do this.' "

If you're quiet and good, it's confidence; if you're quiet and bad, it's indifference.  Pace believes in him and while these past two seasons have been rough for Vernon, Pace is exactly the man that can help guide Gholston to his potential.  Calvin Pace was a three year starter for Wake Forest.  His senior season saw him complie 73 tackles including 8 sacks.  Just like Gholston, the numbers didn't justify the potential as Pace was also in peak physical shape and according to Senior Manager who had an English class with Calvin, "he had hands like anvils."  Thus, when the Cardinals drafted Pace 18th overall, there were many fans disappointed with what they considered a reach.  In order to justify the pick and also a reflection of their poor defense, Pace started all 16 games of his rookie season, recording only 25 tackles and just one sack.  Pace would lose his starting job and wouldn't be a regular starter for the next three seasons.  By 2007, after 4 seasons in the NFL, Pace was a 27 year old veteran with only 68 total tackles, the definition of a bust.  As we all know, Pace broke out in his 5th NFL season, doubling all of his career numbers and signing a (at the time, though I think most fans forgot) questionably lucarative deal with the Jets.

While it's impossible to say if Gholston is going to follow a path similar to Pace, it's also impossible to say if he's going to follow the path of Brian Bosworth.  

Poll
Should the Jets cut Gholston?
Yes, he's a bust.
187 votes
No, he will live up to his potential and be a star.
36 votes
No, he will be a solid player.
221 votes
No, but he will be a bust.
98 votes

542 votes | Poll has closed

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Where is the option for let’s give him one more year to see because I have no idea. lol

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 26, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

Ha,

I was curious what fans thought about Gholston’s future and felt that a safe option like that would be the overwhelming choice and not really tell me much.

The causative relationship is that talent (plus luck) leads to wins. And that talent (plus service time) leads to payrolls.

by Sokojoe on Jan 26, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

He just has too much potential to let go. Im 100% positive that he’s gonna be a star the minute we let go of him. Im with Dave, one more year.

Maybe it has something to do with his name being Vernon. Its kind of a wimpy name. I say we change it to Vladimir and we call him Vlad the Impaler. “Cmon Vlad!!! Stick ’em Vlad!!!” Cmon… it so much better. It’ll work.

by Crackback on Jan 26, 2010 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

First of all, god I would be SO PISSED if he went somewhere else and blew up. It would be like what happened when James Farrior went to the Steelers, but much worse.

Secondly, I dunno I always thought Vernon Gholston sounded like a hell of a football name, and it’s ridiculously silly but I thought that pretty much guaranteed he’d be a good player >_>

by Exystence on Jan 27, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Can we trade him for James Farrior?

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by dvdvil on Jan 27, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

with our clear need for an elite pass rusher, i dont see any reason to quit on a guy who has the potential to be one. sure he sucks in coverage. sure he has terrible football IQ. sure he has yet to record a sack. but he has the tools and the physical gifts to be the terrell suggs in rex’s defense. the rest lies in the hands of the coaching staff. i agree with crackback that if we let him go this offseason, he could very well catch on with another team and make us look foolish. we need to devote a significant amount of time this offseason into making this guy a productive player. send a private coach to work with him exclusively. if that doesnt work then hes officially a bust.
just imagine this defense with a lights out blindside rusher.

by joey d on Jan 26, 2010 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

Comparing D'Brickashaw is silly.

He was starting. Maybe he hadn’t progressed like we had liked, but at least he was a starter, getting a little bit better. Gholston can’t even get into a game, and D’Brickashaw also plays a much more demanding position then Gholston. As for Pouha, why would he be labeled a bust? He was a mid round pick who was backing up Kris Jenkins. Why would you even compare him to Gholston?

I wouldn’t quit on him or cut him, but he is getting close to bust status here.

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by nrmax88 on Jan 26, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

I didn't compare him to either

I wrote

In fact, if anyone brings up some current Jets that were labelled as busts before breaking out this year, such as D’Brickashaw or Pouha, a common counter is “The difference is that POUHA LOVES the game and loves to compete. The GHOST is a workout warrior and does not LOVE contact or the sport.”

I wanted to bring up the question of “love of football” argument. My possible comparison was Calvin Pace as I actually went into a little detail there.

But just in response to your points. D’Brick started because we had no one better, our line was in complete disarray at the time, which was weird because I got very used to the long, solid play of Fabini and Mawae. The current Jets have enough talent that there’s little reason to get Gholston in the game since I wouldn’t want him playing over Thomas, Pace, Harris, Scott, Ellis and probably even Douglas. As for Pouha, he was a third round selection and 26 when he was drafted. His age was overlooked in hopes that he contribute quickly to help a 4-3 team in need a DT bad. Even with Robertson performing poorly, Pouha barely got on the field, and I think it would be fair to called him a bust thus far. The real point, is it’s important to wait before giving labels but an actual comparison is no where giving in my post.

The causative relationship is that talent (plus luck) leads to wins. And that talent (plus service time) leads to payrolls.

by Sokojoe on Jan 26, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

dont do it, or the GHOST will haunt you.

i guarantee if we let this guy go, the Pats, Steelers, or one of those solid talent building teams is going to take the Ghost and make us sorry that we ever heard his name. maybe his play will never come in to line with the expectations of being a top-ten pick(i believe he was 6th overall?), but i believe every bit that with several more years of work, some playing time, and some clear outlined expectations(i.e. incentive based extension) the Ghost could be our man for the plan. lets just relax on this guy, and give ol’ rex some time to work his magic.

by ControlTheMind on Jan 26, 2010 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

I front paged this because it’s well-written, a compelling argument, and a good discussion starter.

I’m not sure the comparison is apt, though. Pace broke out once the Cardinals transitioned him from a 4-3 end to a 3-4 outside linebacker. The Jets have tried Gholston both on the line and at OLB, and he hasn’t shown any signs he’s an impact player.

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by John B on Jan 26, 2010 8:46 PM EST reply actions  

is there any chance we restructure his contract? we should threaten to cut him if he doesnt agree to take a pay cut. i dont know if this is true but i heard thanks to the lack of collective bargaining or whatever, cutting him would cost no penalty. theres no way he deserves the multi-millions he would get but i want him to get one more year to prove himself worthy of being in the NFL.

by joey d on Jan 26, 2010 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

We'll release him

Philly will sign him and he’ll be a pro-bowl pick and heart of their defensive line till the end of his career.

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by Mark D on Jan 27, 2010 12:05 AM EST reply actions  

lmao sounds somewhat familiar

by Exystence on Jan 27, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

how long should we keep waiting?

He hasn’t done anything now, and as said above, can’t get into a game. Any backup should be expected to at least contribute some solid plays in a game. So he’s a gym freak – so are thousands of guys who have to pay to see the inside of an NFL stadium. Might as draft or pick up somebody who hasn’t disappointed as much.

by Rabbit T on Jan 27, 2010 4:21 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks, Bro, first time I’ve gotten one of those!

by Rabbit T on Jan 28, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I say we should release him

Mangini convinced Tannenbaum to draft him. So he has no ties to the current coaching staff. Theres a player who was quoted as saying Vernon has no passion for the game and that he just doesn’t like football. So why would you hang on to someone like that. Mangini wanted him so if they cut him I’m sure the Browns would sign him.

by chrebetsthebet on Jan 27, 2010 5:04 AM EST reply actions  

I say keep him with a twist

Vernon put up freakish strenght and straight line speed numbers at the combine…I say put 10-15 pounds on him and make him a DE he has the strenght and height for the position and he would be more comfortable there since it’s familiar to him the it just becomes a matter of technique and as the jets look right now they need a influx of young D lineman so he would also fill a need then they should go and draft a edge rusher in the draft.

by Tay74 on Jan 27, 2010 7:35 AM EST reply actions  

Keep Him

All though that gholston was a bust this year he still shows great potential. If you look back to ferguson it took him A couple years to become who he is now. I feel if we let gholston go that he will come back and bite us in the ass.

by LostOnRevisIsland24 on Jan 27, 2010 9:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

The Re-X factor

The one thing I can’t overlook, (and I am surprised nobody has mentioned). Rex is a defensive genius who has coached many elite DEs and LBs. He came in with the goal of working with the Ghost. He gave him a vote of confidence and opportunities. (Unlike E Smith who he didn’t want and worked his way into his role.) If Rex can’t fix him and Tanny thinks it is a good move to cut him, I think both have proven they know what they are doing and we as fans should give their opinion the most weight, I think they have earned it with this season.

by george JETson on Jan 27, 2010 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

question...have the jets used him as a DE in a 4-3 situation?

also @ ohio state he was good but he was also inconsistent

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by NinjaZX6R on Jan 28, 2010 5:41 AM EST reply actions  

Cut him please

So the Browns can reunite him with Mangini at a discount and turn him into a solid player.

by jaws. on Feb 3, 2010 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

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