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Initial Draft Outlook

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I hope you guys are not feeling too down this morning, I have to admit I woke up with a sense of optimism, usually not experienced after a loss in the AFC Championship game. My first thought was not about what happened, but what is about to happen. Where are the New York Jets going?, well first let's take a quick look at the 2010 NFL draft.

As far as I'm aware right now, we have the following selections in the 2010 NFL draft

New York Jets First Round Selection

New York Jets Second Round Selection

Philadelphia Eagles Fifth Round Selection

New York Jets Sixth Round Selection

New York Jets Seventh Round Selection

Our 3rd and 5th round selections will go to the Browns for Braylon Edwards (bargain), and our 4th round selection will go to the Eagles for Sheppard (although I'm still very mixed up on that trade, it seems like I hear different scenarios every single week), it could of been as high as a 2nd but based on playing time it will be a 4th. If I have this wrong then let me know and will amend it.

We also sent a conditional pick to Detroit for Kevin O'Connell, not sure what that will be, probably the 7th round selection, but I can't see that confirmed anywhere. So as such, will leave it as it is.

So where do you think we should go in the first round? If you could vote in the poll then we could get a clearer indication. Personally I feel we need to go for a player like Jared Odrick from Penn State, Corey Wootton from Northwestern or Arthur Jones from Syracuse. Of course a lot will depend on combine numbers as to where these players will be projected. However Wootton may be a faller because of injury problems.

Over the course of the off-season, we will be previewing a lot of the players that are possibly on the radar, starting with the players at the position you think we should target initially.

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Which Position should the Jets Draft For In Round One?
Defensive Line (Pass Rusher)
416 votes
Cornerback
238 votes
Wide Receiver
131 votes
Outside Line-Backer
24 votes
Best Player Available Regardless
192 votes

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Good point Troy, completely forgot about that, with Rhodes end of season performance and Leonhard being as solid as you can get, Smith being a nice replacement it didn’t cross my mind. Especially considering that outside Berry, I really don’t see a guy in their, Taylor Mays obviously but I think we went over this a month or so back, he has a big ‘bust’ potential.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 25, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you think is gonna happen with Jones? Will they cut him and resign him to avoid his roster bonus? Or will they cut him outright and go with Washington and Greene?

As for the draft we do need an elite pass rusher. All depends on what they do with Rhodes to determine if safety will be a priority. HAVE to get a slot receiver.

by chrebetsthebet on Jan 25, 2010 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

It’s such a hard one to call, before the season I really didn’t think he would be back, up until week 16 I thought he was definitely staying. Now I’m onto not sure. It certainly will be a hard decision, would Jones accept being cut to be re-signed? I’m not so sure he would. I want him back as a security, Greene should be the feature next year with Washington as the 3rd down, but Jones still has a lot to give. I’m not surprised he slowed down at the end of the year, he is getting on, and has taken some serious carries the last few years, 19 games was just too much. I hope he is back, how that happens I’m not sure.

Jordan Shipley is a guy that I really want this team to get, not sure he lasts until our selection in the 2nd round, mid 2nd rounder IMO, if we came out of this draft with Odrick and Shipley in the first two rounds, it would be a cracking draft IMO.

I think Rhodes has been appeased a little, don’t you think he is back with us next Year? he loves New York too much not to.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 25, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep TJ

We worked TJ too much during the regular season with over 300 carries and he wore down. We didn’t see the real TJ in the playoffs. If we have TJ, Greene and Washington all season that would work by spreading the carries and keeping them fresh for the playoffs. We need a pass rusher, cornerback and a slot receiver if they have no confidence in Clowney, Smith or Wright to fill that void.

by NYC KID on Jan 25, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Im concerned about Greene and his apparent fragility. Unless his rib was broken yesterday he should have returned. That and the ankle injuries earlier in the season make me wonder whether he can hold up over a season.

by Crackback on Jan 25, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats why a three back rotation is the way to go if we can afford to keep all three. Too bad we can’t use Washington as a slot receiver……………hmmmmm, or maybe we can.

by NYC KID on Jan 25, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Golden Tate

If he’s available. We need more playmakers, Tate could be a great slot guy. Mel Kiper has the Jets taking Tate in his latest mock. In the later rounds, need to add another corner and another pass rusher.

by Mackey Sasser on Jan 25, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

I was all for taking Tate earlier in the off-season and wouldn’t complain, just think you are more likely to find a good WR in the later rounds than you are a pass rusher. As a ND fan, I have loved watching Golden on a weekly basis though.

If we went DE/WR in the first/second round, would people be happy with this combo?

Golden Tate/Corey Wootton

or

Jared Odrick/Jordan Shipley

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 25, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Shipley would be a Wes Welker type Slot receiver good call I forgot about him.

by NYC KID on Jan 25, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

i Say we take a DE in the first round

adding a solid pass rusher would really boost the defense, so i say take Odrick in round 1 and Shipley in round 2, as he would be a solid slot guy, and having him with Cotchery and Edwards would make for a solid receiving corps

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by Bianconero on Jan 26, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Amen, that’s exactly what I’m looking for to be quite honest. We will start hearing rumours about which teams are looking at which players soon. Got contact details of a few scouts and people who get all that info, so I’m hoping we start hearing the Jets name soon

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 26, 2010 4:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm a Syracuse guy..

…because it is my alma mater, however, I STRONGLY believe our first focus should be WR and not a pass rusher. I have no qualms about the football ideology of using the run to set up the pass… in fact I play Madden football that way. Still, our game is incredibly one dimensional and the Colts capitalized on that. If you look at how we got beat in the second half, it wasn’t only Manning’s demigod abilities at QB, The Colts running game was incredibly effective, taking away many 3rd and long opportunities on which the Jets are known for capitalizing. That kept our defense guessing for 30 minutes and they guessed wrong.

A Jets passing attack makes us a more complete team. Cotchery is our workhorse. Edwards is an excellent deep threat who will only get better with more reps with Sanchez. I think we need to pick up an outstanding slot receiver to pick up the underneath routes and overcome blitzes, like a Wes Welker or even an Austin Collie. Between that WR and Keller, Sanchez will have two options for the short passes he’s already very comfortable with, Cotchery working the middle routes and Edwards as the deep threat, it opens up our playbook. Remember, we picked up Favre to open the playbook and our running game in ways Pennington couldn’t, and we wound up taking a step backwards playcalling-wise in our ground-and-pound/safe passing scheme. A threat in the passing game will lead to staggering numbers for Shonn Greene and Leon Washington.

by TeamJets on Jan 25, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

rhodes...

jets are in a strange place with this. he does love new york , 2 bad its 4 the wrong reasons. he looks way better in a suit then he does on the field. not sayin he sucks. i just think hes not as good as HE thinks he is. and thats gonna reflect in is $ demands. jets can sign a FA if they lose 1.i say lose this 1.

by Troy O on Jan 25, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn’t put a safety on my draft board. If we decided we need one I would go FA route.

by NYC KID on Jan 25, 2010 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

read all the post

yes jared odrick DE is a good choice,need another cornerback(,shipley is too small,fragile,injury prone…go with brandon aghee 6’0,195lbs,runs 4.40..or cedric butler,6’0,190,runs 4.35…..DONT FORGET RB WASHINGTON…is looking for a new contract,he is worth it,but we cant afford it,salary cap casulty(maybe) could get a 2nd or 3rd round for him,clemmons qb…maybe a 7th round for him,let him hook up with ex-qb coach from college,..gholston lb..see if he has any value,..ohio loves him…so maybe clevelend/cicinnatti

by JETRULE69 on Jan 25, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

punt returner holiday wr

he runs 4.25 in the 40,……..also retirements looming…..OT wiley, richardson FB

defensive line is elderly..pouha nt is the youngest at 30

pennigton QB coming back to jets…..as back up/coach for sanchez and conelly qb

by JETRULE69 on Jan 25, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

washington rb

will cost alot of money guys,I love him,but can we really pay rb quality $$$ for him,and he is coming off a broken leg,at age 28 next season?

by JETRULE69 on Jan 25, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

Washington in the slot

If we are able to keep all three backs do you think Washington is durable enough to be our slot receiver? That way we would not have to draft a slot receiver and can use the pick for another need.

by NYC KID on Jan 25, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Leon will be expensive.

A lot of teams are going to be shy about pulling the trigger on a guy with his style coming off of a broken leg like he has. And most teams won’t have the patience for him to return to form. We are in a unique position (assuming TJ returns) that we have 2 very good backs and can win plenty of games without him. We can wait for Leon to get back to form, if he can. If he can’t we can get along without him.

by Crackback on Jan 25, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta feel proud....

About how far they went this season. Would’ve been great to get to the big stage, but losing to Indy in their dome is nothing to be embarrassed about. Us older guys know those seasons, and this one was a real success.

Important to take lessons learned approach from the post-season, what worked and what didn’t and to improve from there. With the draft aproaching, Green needs to focus on what was glaring in yesterday’s game. Another corner and/or safety, a running back to complement Shonne Greene and a slot receiver to complement the development of Sanchez. Of course, all of this assumes availability. Some youth on the D-line would be great also.

Regarding Lito, one thing that Rex tells you is why you’re benched. Then it’s up to you to either improve or find more suitable surroundings. A $10 million roster bonus for him should be out of the question, cap or no cap. If no one is available and he comes down to earth, then it can be re-visited.

But again, great season!

by oldskooljet on Jan 25, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

holiday wr

nyc kid…holiday wr runs 4.25 5;6 175lbs has wayne chrebet hands,and burning speed,he can punt return and be a slor reciever

by JETRULE69 on Jan 25, 2010 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

Did not know about him, where is he from?

by NYC KID on Jan 25, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Trindon Holliday played his ball at LSU, not seen much of him to be honest, isn’t he a sprinter at LSU as well as a football player.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 25, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Also seen him listed more at 5’5 than 5’6, that is extremely small.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 25, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That is too small he wouldn’t be able to take the pounding going across the middle all the time. That is why he is really just a ST player for LSU, he may be fast but not so fast that he won’t get clobbered.

by NYC KID on Jan 25, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He caught 3 balls for 36 yards this year, not sure he is the answer. I think he is a perennial ST player, and if he does hit the base it’s going to be as a RB more than a WR.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 25, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Might be able to pick him us as a post draft FA as well.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 25, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

olb/pass rusher

I think we need a pass rushing OLB since in a 3-4 D thats where the pass rush comes from. That should be our 1st priority. Than Corner & or Saftey

by tom spicer on Jan 25, 2010 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

No Tight End?

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by Mark D on Jan 25, 2010 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

Why would we take a tight end in the first?

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 25, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad Joke and a refrence to Kyle Brady and Anthony Becht.

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by Mark D on Jan 25, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

lol don’t do that to us, had so much hope for Becht, really liked that guy……then it all went south

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 26, 2010 4:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you buzzy

think you can almost always pick up quality receivers throughout the draft. Concentrate on D in the first couple rounds.

by horace clark on Jan 25, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

DE can come much easier from FA...

We need to sign either Peppers or Seymour, and then draft either Golden Tate or trade up for Dez Bryant in the draft. Only player I’d look to drop and take over a WR is Taylor Mays.

Only alternative I see to that is if we work out a trade for Marshall or Boldin (although I really dont like Boldin, hes not the player he was two years ago), still sign a DL if we could afford Seymour great (I think Peppers would then be out of our price range) and then go after the best player for depth at CB, DL, S, or WR.

by Judgegavel on Jan 25, 2010 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

Seymour still has a few years left, and is perfect for the 3/4...

although he’s not the pass rush end they really need, he would be the perfect fit for the Jets overall. Honestly he’s a better end than Douglas or even Ellis at this point and can spell Jenkins at DT too.

Peppers is the pas rusher they need, but may not work in the 3/4, and will take a ton of money.

by Judgegavel on Jan 25, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

I think Casserly said, on CBS yesterday, that Raiders would franchise Seymour. So take him off the list.

by chrebetsthebet on Jan 25, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

IDK they also have ...

Morrison, and Howard as UFA, who are just as valuable and younger to hold on to.

by Judgegavel on Jan 25, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Just out of interest for the people saying CB in the first round, who do you have in mind? as far as I can see there is one CB that is ‘elite’ and then there is a massive drop off in talent to the 2nd round minimum. Got Joe Hadan in the first, and then probably Warren and Arenas possible 2nd round guys, then we fall further for Lindley and Robinson (possible he could vault his stock at the combine).

Just wondering who you had in mind?

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 25, 2010 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

Robinson , I think should be a late first rounder and is the #2 CB...

although I dont like him there, I’d prefer Golden Tate or Taylor Mays. If Sapp falls I take him hes the perfect fir otherwise DE can wait till round 2.

by Judgegavel on Jan 25, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Why don’t we bring Ty Law back to play corner??

by chrebetsthebet on Jan 25, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Do we have ramp access to the field?? lol

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 26, 2010 4:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd go after Adaliu Thomas

to address our pass rush issues. I’d definitely pick him up if Pat release him, or trade a low pick for him

by secret defense on Jan 25, 2010 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

clearly need a second CB

not a lockdown guy like revis, but clearly dwight lowrey is not cutting it. just someone to take away their #2 reciever cough pierre garcon cough

by TheKING 30 on Jan 25, 2010 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

He will definitely be their when we pick in the first, I really haven’t seen him projected any higher than mid 2nd.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 26, 2010 4:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm Scouts inc. has him rated 25 overall...

Kiper has him going 30 in his first Mock, McShay has him in the late first round too.

by Judgegavel on Jan 26, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Patrick Robinson really?? umm interesting. I saw him a few times and wasn’t impressed enough to place him in the first, obviously those guys know far more than I do. Will see how he performs the rest of the week at the Senior Bowl and at the combine. Like I said, I thought he was between the 10-15 pick in round 2, but if they have him very low first then maybe he is worth considering.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 27, 2010 5:10 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, Pierre Garçon is a f***ing beast

I didn’t realize he was as big of a guy as he was until Sunday. Holy friggin crap and Lowery’s like probably under 200 lbs

by Exystence on Jan 26, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Garcon is definitely a big dude, fast as well, he will be a great player with Peyton throwing to him. Still think Collie is the better receiver though, how crisp is his route running. Nearly pin point every single time.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 26, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

And Garçon is only a step below him in that skill

…and Wayne is maybe the best route-runner in the league. And that all pretty much plays right to Peyton’s strengths. It’s no wonder their passing game is so amazing.

by Exystence on Jan 26, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Not at all, Peyton makes them look a step above where they are, but they still have to do a lot of things right. Nice scouting job by the Colts to get those two guys. If we are looking at a wide receiver late in the draft, Mike T should give them a call.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 26, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Reggie Wayne was shut down by Revis and Clark was by Rhodes, but nobody was able to cover Garcon OR Collie, exactly why we need a second corner

by TheKING 30 on Jan 26, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody think

we should get Damian Williams? Good receiver and he used to be Mark Sanchez’s teammate.

by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jan 25, 2010 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

Did think about that Bob, but then I just thought, what does he have that we don’t already have with Cotchery and Braylon, where as someone like Tate or Shipley will add as a slot, not sure Williams has the short area quickness to be effective there. Not seen a ton of him yet though.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 26, 2010 4:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Secondary or WR

anything else sits on the back burner, including the pass rush. There’s some teeth in the pass rush, neglecting the secondary another year will crush Jets defense.

by Bro Namath on Jan 25, 2010 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

DE

Getting a DE would help the secondary. Getting a natural pass rusher would allow Rex to get pressure on the QB without sending people up to blitz. That way you can keep people back in coverage.

by PowerBar on Jan 25, 2010 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

That really was where we struggled at times, we had to send a lot of players to get pressure, against average/decent QB’s it works, but against the absolute elite like Peyton, not being able to get pressure was the downfall.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 26, 2010 5:18 AM EST up reply actions  

This will be tough

for tanny ,but hes got a couple a months to figure out how to fill our 3 most glaring holes.

If its possible to sign peppers, seymour, or dumerville i say we get 1 of them and use our draft picks to fill the wide reciever and cornerback problem. I also can see us trading down to aquire more picks if Tanny sees who he wants.

But we also need to release people to get the amount of money to sign seymour. I say we let clemens, jones, lito, and drew coleman go (if we can).

Use the money to get 1st choice dumerville, then peppers and then seymour.

Draft Golden Tate and A cornerback with our 1st 2 picks

5th round- Punter
6th round- QB
7th round-OLine

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by michael28102 on Jan 25, 2010 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

There are so many punters available post draft, I’m not sure I would go with a 5th on that position. I sometimes forget about all the players that don’t get selected and fall through the net, we have to remember Bart Scott was one of these guys. There is talent to be had after the draft, and I have faith that Rex can find a few good ones.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 26, 2010 4:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Cornerback

I think that we need to find a corner in the draft, a major reason as to why we lost was because, Coleman couldn’t keep up with the speed of Garcon. With that said I think that this season showed a great step forward for years to come.

by LostOnRevisIsland24 on Jan 25, 2010 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

NJ.com sites a source within the Jets that says the team will release Shepperd and trade Rhodes. So the secondary might be a top priority in the offseason. He also said they will tender Edwards but would listen to all offers for him. Looks like they are trying to pile up draft picks.

by chrebetsthebet on Jan 26, 2010 5:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably not a bad idea considering the depth in this draft. I know Rex said that he had a conversation with Rhodes and what was talked about will remain between those two. Probably a we are going to look at the opportunities but not against keeping you. I have a feeling that our D will take a step back next year to be honest, but It depends on who we target obviously. I really thought Rhodes would stay after late season performances, and Lito would be released and then re-signed, but then maybe being dropped in the AFC Championship game was the icing on the cake.

I still think that Sheppard is a good corner but what are you gna do.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 26, 2010 6:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Any hybrid DE/OLB players out there (for drafting)?

It might be good to have a guy who can act as a DE on passing downs and OLB on run defense. That would improve our performance in both areas. There are times when we have gotten gashed by the run (if the Colts gave Addai more carries, Benson, Ricky Williams).
As for the other needs, both a third WR (Clowney is a clown, and I like Woodhead but I’m not sure he’s the right guy) and a CB opposite Revis would be important (Arenas in the second?), but on the last one I think even getting the best corner available in the draft is no guarantee of performance.

by Rabbit T on Jan 26, 2010 6:38 AM EST reply actions  

I really can’t think of too many hybrid’s in the draft this year to be perfectly honest, Jerry Hughes is 6-3 and around 260, so could probably play both DE/OLB in the NFL, but still a little undersized for a 3-4 DE. Kindle/Davis both of whom would be good as OLB in the 3-4 are undersized to play DE in this system. Really can not see too many.

Personally speaking I would rather Robinson and Warren ahead of Arenas.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 26, 2010 7:34 AM EST up reply actions  

#1 pass defense

means DBs are not a priority (obviously that changes if we lose 2 starters in the offseason). the secondary was good all year, except against manning. i know its the last game so its on our minds, but they should focus on their pass rush which didn’t really do too much without blitzers. a natural pass rusher would make this defense very very difficult to contend with.

by JetsFan1991 on Jan 26, 2010 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

disagreed

The second game against the patriots Brady-Welker DESTROYED us, and i do recall us playing them twice a year.

by TheKING 30 on Jan 26, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

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