New York Jets Pass Defense vs. Indianapolis Colts Pass Offense
by John B on Jan 23, 2010 9:47 AM EST
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PrintFolks, this is a site where we can respectfully disagree with each other. This is one of those times. Matt told you earlier today why the Jets shouldn't play Cover 2 on the Colts. I'm going to respectfully disagree. I think the Jets should play a decent amount of Cover 2 on Indianapolis. Indy has plenty of speedy receivers, and it's important to limit the big play. Peyton Manning is the best quarterback on the planet. He's probably going to get his no matter how good the defense is, and no matter what coverage you play. He's also human. It's not easy for him to consistently execute 12 to 13 times in a row, putting together the long scoring drive Cover 2 requires.
I don't the the flaw in Baltimore's approach was in using the Cover 2. I think it was the defensive formations used. The Ravens showed a lot of nickel, but they lined up in a 4-2-5. That keyed the Colts into which 4 players were rushing. Manning's tough to blitz. He can identify it and find the open spot on the field the blitzer left. Only rushing 4 is also a problem. Peyton took only 10 sacks during the regular season. It wasn't because his offensive line was great. It was because he doesn't need much time to find an open man. If a defense wants to knock him around, it needs to get there quickly. Rushing 4 in a 4-2-5 requires somebody to dominate a lineman and run free.
I say keep the nickel, but show different fronts. The Jets should run the 3-3-5 and even some 2-4-5. The Colts are a passing team. Again, they have the best quarterback in the game. Their run game is suspect. Dare them to run it by going smaller. These fronts help the pass rush. With only 2 or 3 down linemen, the linemen can't as easily indentify which linebackers are blitzing. That's more apt to create the kind of confusion necessary to get to Manning.
The Jets should also limit their overload blitzes. They take a while to develop. Peyton will feel the pressure and dump it to the other side. Instead the Jets should look to overload the A and B gaps inside. Send two rushers into one gap and hope somebody runs free. The shorter path to the quarterback will provide a better chance of somebody getting to him quickly. Even Peyton Manning can get rattled if he's under constant pressure.
Indianapolis' receivers are a tougher matchup than San Diego's for New York's secondary. They rely on speed more than size. The corners and safeties on the Jets can win jump balls. They have great ball skills. They can be exploited by speed. Think of what Austin Collie did to Lito Sheppard in Week 16. I'm not worried about Darrelle Revis. He can handle Reggie Wayne. Dallas Clark, Austin Colle, and Pierre Garcon, who was out Week 16 are all quick. Part of the reason I'd like to see Cover 2 is the most effective way to play these receivers is to get physicial. Jam them off the line so they can't get a running start and use their speed. Having safety help makes that less risky.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see the Jets move Revis around like they did last week to give him some action on Dallas Clark. Mixing up coverages is essential against Manning. Peyton will figure out how to crack coverage schemes he sees frequently
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Colts & cover 2
No matter what packages we use on Peyton, he’s about as smart as it gets in the QB position. I certainly have no answers, with the exception of Rex’s comment of playing the Colts without Peyton.
Peyton has seen his share of cover 2s for a number of years, and his success against the cover 2 is legendary. Unless the Jets can do it better than anyone else, it will take a different scheme to throw him off rhythm.
I’m expecting the Jets secondary to get physical with the Colts wideouts, but unfortunately I’m also expecting some more than questionable calls against them. Each game has shown a call or two that could have been a game changer had the Jets lost their composure. Don’t expect the refs to show Green any love at Indy. Oh, yeah. Get anywhere close to Peyton will draw a roughing penalty, so the Jets will need to be careful about their blitzes as well.
Hopefully they’ve been practicing their silent count on the o-line.
if you're talking questionable with the helmet to helmet hit in the Bmore game
Ray Lewis was fined 20,000 for that hit. So the league obviously agreed it was a helmet to helmet hit.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
The league will fine you for anything these days, them fining someone is really no proof of anything, they would fine someone for breathing on a QB the wrong way.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 23, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
oh and quick fix
it was 5000 bucks, I was mixing up my fines with someone else.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Good write up
I will say that the majority of pressure on Manning tends to come from an extra guy of the edges though. The Colts pass blocking isn’t great but we have arguably the best center in the NFL in Jeff Saturday who eats up blitzes up the middle. Of course if you do it enough one will eventually get by and have Peyton throwing of his back foot. All of us here know a QB throwing off the back foot is not a good sign for an offense.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
The only way you can disrupt Manning
is to get inside pressure. You have to rush four b/c rushing 5 or more is too risky with Manning, b/c he is so smart and has such a quick release that he will find the one-on-one coverage. You have to send 4 most of the time yet you’ll need to change up who you send on the blitz each snap. Also, the 5 DBs approach worked for Denver for about a quarter so that is probably the way to go. You’ll just have to change up your coverages and who you send on the blitz. Most importantly though, your DT is going to need to get a consistent inside push on the pocket. That’s what killed us in the playoff game against San Diego last year, other than Scifres, was that Williams got a consistent inside push for much of the 2nd Half. Edge pressure really doesn’t affect Manning so much b/c he’ll just step up in the pocket. Oh and just like Brady in Super Bowl XLII, you’ll have to hit him constantly. Finally as someone mentioned, San Diego did a great job of not showing their hand until the last second.
"Pressure is something you feel if you don't know what the hell you're doing."-Peyton Manning
What the Pats always do to mess Peyton up?
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
jumped all over the WRs dowfield back when the league was basically ignoring their illegal contact rule.
they haven’t done as well now that the comp committee reminded the refs of those illegal contact rules in 2004.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Jan 23, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with blitzing A/B gaps.
This will move Peyton off of his spot and disrupt his rhythm and timing. Its also the quickest way to get to him and will allow for some direct hits if successful. A couple of hard hits early, and even Peyton will be bracing for the pain. Nobody is cooler in the pocket than Tom Brady and we had him rattled to his core in our first game against him this season this season. Successful A/B gap blitzing will free up Leonard/Rhodes/Dig on the edges after their line makes adjustments.
As far as coverage, I think we’ll need to mix and match while trying to disguise it as best as possible. If he’s able to lock in he will slice and dice.
Agree with the last sentence
A positive point in the San Diego game was how deceptive the defense was – not moving into position until the last second, so you couldn’t know what you were facing.
Manning has figured out a way to counteract that.
In the first game against Houston, they tried that approach and Manning went into almost a 2 minute type of No-Huddle and then proceeded to change up the snap count. This really did a great job of keeping their defense off-balance and it also delayed their blitzes. But I still think that this isn’t a bad strategy to use. You just have to hope that Manning doesn’t catch the defense out of position.
"Pressure is something you feel if you don't know what the hell you're doing."-Peyton Manning
Has Manning had the same coordinator since he came in the league?
by chrebetsthebet on Jan 23, 2010 11:35 AM EST reply actions
I think he has, Tom Moore has been their since the late 90’s.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 23, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I’m surprised he never got any head coaching opportunities. The Colts offense always finishes the season in the top 5. Is this a product of Manning being the best QB or is it Moore’s schemes?
by chrebetsthebet on Jan 23, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
the biggest factor of it imo was that Moore was already older than teams like HCs being when he was first paired when Peyton
he was 60 in 1998.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Jan 23, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
yep
Tom Moore.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Jan 23, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Good Luck With Mixing Coverages
Peyton is smarter than the rest at signal-caller, not to mention better. We’ll see how you guys fare.
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 23, 2010 12:18 PM EST reply actions
Manning must be near-perfect in order for the Colts to win.
Bc the Colts lack a run-game, there’s no balance to their offense, which makes them one-dimmensional and leaves the leagues best defense to do what it does best: shut down the pass game. No one denies that when Peyton is on and clicking he’s difficult, if not impossible to stop. But if he sputters or is out of rhythm, or if the Jet defense is able to apply pressure, the Colts will find themselves in a precarious position. No defense is better at making adjustments on the fly than the Jets. If Peyton can’t find a way to get on track, this could get ugly early.
Not really.
The Colts defense is very good and should be able to hold your offense to 20 points or less which will ease some of the pressure off of Manning. Plus Manning doesn’t necessarily need a running game to stay in rythm. He hasn’t been nearly perfect in every game this year and he also hasn’t had a very good ground attack. Besides, the Jets might need to take Baltimore’s approach only b/c if Manning gets the big pass plays going then it will be a long day for your offense. Yet he is also more than willing to take what the defense is giving him. Again, your best bet is to get consistent inside pressure like San Diego did in the playoff game last year; and come out with 5 DBs and keep the receivers from getting good separation like Denver did earlier in the year.
"Pressure is something you feel if you don't know what the hell you're doing."-Peyton Manning
Manning sacked just ten times in the regular season
But the Ravens did it twice. Anyway, good luck to the Jets tomorrow – us Bronco fans still love you for whupping the Dolts.
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