Myth: First Meeting Was a Blowout
by John B on Jan 20, 2010 10:00 AM EST
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PrintI know I'm largely preaching to the choir on this site, but we do need to set something straight. The Colts did pull their starters with a lead back in Week 16. That's a fact. Let's just stop acting like the Jets didn't belong on the same field or had no chance to win the game.
The score was 15-10 when starters exited for Indianapolis. Let's think that through. The difference was less than a touchdown. Also think about how the Jets' defense hung with Indy's offense. The Colts only scored 15 points in two and a half quarters. That's pretty good against the best quarterback in football.
Consider something else. 6 of those 15 points were scored on a drive where the Jets made a fourth down stop. Bart Scott got a personal foul called on him to extend it. Take away that error, and the Jets held the Colts to 9 points in those three and a half quarters.
That's not to predict anything on Sunday. For all we know the Colts will have a big day offensively. I just want to point out that the Jets more than held their own in the first game. An Indianapolis victory would have been far from a formality had their starters played all the way.
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To be fair, the Colts pulled their starters with 5 mins left in the 3rd quarter.
Which would means they only played about 2 and a half quarters not three and a half. Your point still stands though.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Which would means
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 20, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
and the bengals did not play in full on the last week.
and look at the result. thanks for the oportunitie
by old mcdonald on Jan 20, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
First, not here to bash. Just wanted to throw something out there if we are really going to get technical about the game:
1. Colts didn’t play several defensive starters at all and many that didn’t play as much as they usually do even in the first half. Our defense is MUCH different with both Freeny and Mathis out there.
2. Against this undermanned defense the Jets were unable to score an offensive touchdwon in the first half with only one FG and a return TD. That said, special teams play is a real concern for the Colts.
Note to mention
Garcon and Johnson did not play!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jan 20, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Manning in the 4th Qtr
Another factor that many people are forgetting, or are unaware of, is that Manning is at his best in the 4th quarter. His passer rating is highest then, he completes the highest percentage of passes in the final quarter, and has the best TD /Int ratio (7 – 1).
He’s also at his best when playing from behind by 1 – 8 points, which is why the Colts were able to come from behind in the fourth quarter and win seven out of seven times
this year.
So, while the Colts did not have a big lead when the stars were pulled in Week 16, and the Jets could have conceivably retaken the lead, the Jets would still have had a supreme challenge trying to hold on for a W, had Indy’s stars not been benched.
Good points..
…HOWEVER, Peyton would have to be on the field for that to happen.
With the way the Jets are running the football these days, Manning will be holding the Clipboard and sitting on his ass on the bench a lot longer than he would expect.
The Key is for the Jets to make every possession a SCORING Possession(preferably a TD) ‘cause against this team you can’t leave points off the board.
by Omar-is-Evil on Jan 21, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, yeah . . .
That’s the same plan that almost every other team tries —control the clock with long drives and mostly running plays to keep Manning off the field.
You must have missed the MNF game with Miami back in September. The Phins rushed for more than 200 yards, and controlled the time of possession wirh more than 45 minutes. The Colts still won the game, even though they had the ball for less than 15 minutes.
“The Key is for the Jets to make every possession a SCORING Possession(preferably a TD)”
Brilliant analysis!! BTW, on December 27, the Jets’ Offense did not score any TD’s until after the Colts’ front line players were taken out of the game.
The Jets may well be a better team now than they were four weeks ago. No doubt, they have a lot more confidence. But you fail to realize that your team will be facing a completely different Colts team on January 24. It’ll be like night and day.
BTW, there are still a number of Colts on the team who remember the 41-0 embarrassment vs the Jets in the 2002 playoffs. Think they don’t want revenge? That was Manning’s fifth year in the league, and that game left him with a 0 – 3 career record in the playoffs. Since then, his playoff record isn’t as bad as many of his detractors try to make out. But the point is, Manning had not yet reached his peak in 2002. With experience he has become a whole lot better.
Also, that game was played on a cold, muddy field which added to the Colts’ ineptness that day. This time the game will be played in perfect “weather” on a fast field that favors they style of game the Colts play. Good luck!
The Colts, sans a number of offensive starters who didn't even see a single snap in Week 16...
Still managed to put up more points in 2-1/2 quarters than the Jets’ league-leading defense allows per game (despite missing a PA and 2 PT conversion).
Just sayin.’
I Bleed Blue! Go Colts!
by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Jan 20, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions
The Colts will be seeing a much different Jets team than the one they saw simply hanging on for dear life in Week 16
Jets looked confused on Defense at times during that game….They won’t be confused this time around.
In fact, THEY’RE the ones that are going to do the “confusing” on Peyton Manning.
Just sayin’.
by Omar-is-Evil on Jan 21, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
Take away that mistake
Fine take away that personal foul from Scott…while we’re at it take away the mistake of fumbling or letting a kickoff return be taken to the house. FYI Jet fans your offense only scored 3pts against Colts starters…well the starters less Sessions, Bullit, Powers and Mathis.
Indy has been saying it all year. You can run all you want but you need to score TDs to beat the Colts. Finish your drives with something other than FGs.
Exactly.
I agree that the Jets CANNOT(and I can’t stress it any more) settle for FGs.
If push comes to shove, Mark Sanchez HAS to make a play.
by Omar-is-Evil on Jan 21, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s not forget that our style offensively make us a 2nd half team, like Greene said earlier, to start the game we are getting 1-2 yard gains, but that starts to tire the D, and in the 2nd half we get better results, see pretty much every game the 2nd half of the season, especially Cincinnati and San Diego in the post season.
To be quite honest, I’m sick of talking about it as Jets fans, and I’m tired of some Colts fans pretending like we wouldn’t of had a shot if they hadn’t of pulled their starters, which is complete BS and about as arrogant as you can get, we will find out once and for all this weekend.
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Second half teams...
The only problem with your thought process is that your not considering the type of defense the Colts have. We’re a quick and more fit team build on endurance and chasing people down…swarming.
We dont have the typical Dline and LBs that other teams have. We’re physically fit to last a full 60min and in fact when you get to the second half you’ll more than likely be behind by 2 scores.
No
He said they are more suited to endurance as opposed to ground and pound that wears out more quickly!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jan 20, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
So they're finesse?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 20, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
size =/= physicality
We are undersized but we are the fastest (some debate here but not much) defense in the league. Speed and size both factor into physicality so just because we are heavy in one and light in the other does not mean we are finesse.
One of our defenders on a ball carier is going to be smaller than most but our second defender gets there faster than any other team because of our speed, pursuit, and ability to keep plays in front of us.
Your Defense is STILL "finesse", though..
This Jets O-Line and the TJ/Greene combo is not going to be running on the edges ‘cause that’s where your Colts Speed on D is dominant. What the Jets are going to do is basically Run it up the Gut…AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN!!!
And when the Second half starts, they’ll do it AGAIN and AGAIN…etc. This is what the Jets are. Peyton Manning is what the Colts are.
Should be an epic battle…..
by Omar-is-Evil on Jan 21, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
Up the gut
Yeah, yeah . . .
That worked against the Chargers. We’ll see if it works again.
And it’s not just Indy’s DE’s that are fast. Everyone on the Colts Defense is fast.
BTW, did you know that the Ravens, who used the same game plan that your team is going to employ, was held to a mere 87 yards rushing for the day? They got only 2 first downs from run plays. TWO! That’s all. And if you factor out the running play that ended with Rice fumbling the ball, B’more really only had 67 yards on the ground.
All last week Ravens fans and sports writers and commentators were saying how they had a “three headed monster” that was going to give the “finese” defenders a big bruising. . . . 67 yards on the ground on plays where they maintained possession of the ball. That’s it.
BTW, do you think the Ravens didn’t come into Indy brimming with confidence after they way they crushed the Patriots? Confidence is important, but it will only get you so far. Your team is going to be schooled on Sunday.
Its silly to whine about losing a game that you quit.
We’ll never know what would’ve happened if the Colts left in their starters. And I’v never seen 2 NFL teams that played each other in the same season have each of their games unfold in exactly the same fashion as the other.
The fact is, the Jets beat the Colts in Week 16. Doesn’t mean it will happen again. Doesn’t mean it won’t.
Well, yall ran over the Bungles week 17.
Then proceeded to run them over again the next week. Haha.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 20, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but they're the Bungles....
..I don’t think much more needs to be said than that. LOL!! :)
by Omar-is-Evil on Jan 21, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
Look, forget week 16!!!
This is going to be a great game! I believe the Jets offense is underestimated just as I know the Colts defense is. I am confident the Colts can win just as a good Jets fan is confident in their teams ability to pull out a victory. Week 16 means nothing at all. This is the playoffs. Each team showing up this Sunday is a different team. The Jets belong in this game, they have earned it. So have the Colts. This is not revenge for the Colts or vindication for the Jets-week 16 is a non-factor. This is a chance to go to the Super Bowl and nothing more. It is an opportunity for the Colts to prove they have a defense that can stop the best running attack in the league. It is a chance for the Jets defense to stop the greatest QB playing today. It is also a time for the Colts to prove that their offense is truly a step above the vaunted Chargers this season and for the Jets to once again show the world that they can offensively compete with ANY team. I am as confident in my Colts as Rex is his Jets. Should be a great game. Good luck!
by colt_monger on Jan 20, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well said!
That was as well put and as well worded as I’ve seen. Bravo!
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 20, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Well said
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Actually....
This is a chance for the Jets to prove that the old adage still applies in the NFL :
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
And I have a feeling in my gut that tells me that the Jets will pull this victory out somehow…
by Omar-is-Evil on Jan 21, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Boy this issue has been beaten like a dead horse(no pun intended). Maybe Colts fans can answer this for me. Were you confident that you would have won that game because A) There were some drops that would have gone for huge gains, by Colt receivers, B) Colts first series of the 2nd half Manning moved the ball without any resistance? I’m sure there are more reasons like your team was 14-0 and you were playing at home. I’m as big a Jet fan as their is on this site. Thing that scares me is the offense did nothing against the starting D. I like to be objective as possible and am not gonna sit here and say the Jets are just gonna dominate the Colts. I mean who dominate’s the Colts?
Almost Midnight
I think this year’s Cinderella team is about to lose a slipper. The Jets’ time at the ball is just about up.
Seriously, the Colts are On a Mission.
They’ve heard people yapping for year about how they Only have ONE SB title in the Manning Era. Their Mission is to put an end to that talk. They’re much healthier than they were the past two seasons. This year’s team feels a lot like 2006. It was the Colts’ under rated Defense that carried them through the playoffs in ‘06, and just look what their D did last week to B’more.
The Colts are On a Mission????
And you don’t think the Jets are on a Mission?
All they’ve gotten is disrespected every step of the way from Week 16 onward….They’re now 60 minutes away from a SuperBowl appearance. You don’t think that the Jets will be prepared to throw everything including the Kitchen Sink at Peyton on Sunday? You don’t think the Jets are the Hungrier of the two teams considering that the Main component of the Colts team(manning) already has a ring?
There are times when Passion, Intensity, and Desire far outweigh God-Given Talent….It will be on display this sunday.
Jets 27 Colts 23
by Omar-is-Evil on Jan 21, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
Playin with House Money
“And you don’t think the Jets are on a Mission?
Nope, I don’t. I think they’re “just happy to be here” I believe that the Colts are the hungrier team. They are certainly not satisfied just because they already have a ring.
No one expected the Jets to be here. Coach Ryan thought the team had been eliminated from playoff contention after losing to the Falcons.
Did the Jets open training camp last summer believing that they were good enough to go all the way with a rookie QB and a rookie coach who was recruited from outside the Jets system? The moment they started thinking they were hot stuff, after starting out 3-0, they were given a reality check, i.e. losses in six of their next seven games.
Now that they’ve won a few more games, I see the same unwarranted cockiness in some of the Jets players and their coach that they had last September. Your team is not seasoned enough, they don’t know what it takes to get to the top.
When the Colts came to training camp last summer, they knew that they are good enough to win it all. They know what it takes, and they’ve been working exceedingly hard, doing all the right things to get here. They won’t be stopped now. On Sunday, you’ll see the real Colts, who are 15-0 in games they’ve tried to win this year.
The Jets have had a nice run, but it’s almost midnight for them.
Execution Trumps Passion & Talent
It is a mistake to think that the Colts are good because they have more talented players. Many of their players were late round draft picks. And many others were undrafted free agents.
What the Colts organization does better than any other NFL franchise, is seek out players who fit their system, and maintain the consistency of the system. They don’t over power other teams. They win because players know their roles, know where they’re supposed to be, and execute their plays and their game plan better than the other team. That’s where experience shows.
BTW, in Manning’s rookie season the Colts went 3-13, and he was intercepted 28 times, the all time record for rookie QB’s. Sanchez has done well this year, very well for a rookie. But he’s not ready for the biggest stage.
Also, don’t think that the Colts players are not extremely passionate, or that they have less desire and intensity than the players on your team. Manning displays all of those qualities at previously unknown levels. He is the consumate competitor. Other players on the team are bound to follow his example.
I remember one possession where Addai just took the ball right up the gut...
…and scored a TD.
Mark my words…THAT will NOT happen in this game.
Jets D is much improved from that game.
by Omar-is-Evil on Jan 21, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
i hope the colts trash talk
alot that would be nice
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Ryan & Scott
They’re the only trash talkers I’ve heard so far.
Colts just don’t do that, at least not in public where it can become bulletin board material for the other team.
closest out there is DE/DT Raheem Brock on twitter
which just amounts to telling fans “don’t worry, we’ll be ready”.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Jan 20, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
you didn't read the rest of his twitter..
it said : “don’t worry, we’ll be ready…for the NFL Draft on Monday”.
by Omar-is-Evil on Jan 21, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
Trash talk
Yes, Ryan talks a lot, but I wouldn’t call it trash talk. What’s trashy about it? He’s not belittling the other team. He’s given credit to the Bengals, Chargers and now the Colts again. He and Bart Scott have both acknowledged that Peyton Manning is the best QB in the NFL. Not one of the best. The best.
They think they can handle the challenge. They believe in their team – as they should. They have been vocal, yes. But it’s been about positives with the Jets and nothing derogatory about other teams.
and the home of the... JETS!!!
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I think Nick Mangold said it best :
“This is the AFC Championship Game with the winner going to the SuperBowl. If you need any more motivation than that, then you really SHOULD go home.”
>>> EPIC!
by Omar-is-Evil on Jan 21, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
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