Mark My Words: The New York Jets Can Beat The San Diego Chargers
by Xander Diaz on Jan 14, 2010 2:15 PM EST
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The New York Jets have embarked on an improbable run with a convincing victory over the AFC North champion Cincinnati Bengals. Faced with the prospect of having to beat an NFL team not once but twice in back to back weeks, there were many who gave the Jets a snowballs chance in Hell of success.
Looks like even Hell is facing climate change problems.
Now New York and company must travel to San Diego to face a Chargers team that many consider to be the hottest team in the AFC. Many will tell you that if the Jets were like snowballs in Hell last week, then they are like cake at fat camp this week.
They don’t stand a chance.
Philip Rivers is arguably the hottest QB in the league. In 2009 Rivers maintained a 65.2% completion percentage, threw for 4,254 yards with 28 touch downs to only 8 interceptions. San Diego, winners of 11 straight, have scored no less than 20 points in any game. There is little doubt that Rivers is one of the elite QBs of the league.
Of course, part of Rivers success has a lot to do with the three legit weapons at his disposal — WRs Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd and TE Antonio Gates. All three are proven threats and against the Jets, they come into the contest with at least one clear cut advantage…height. All three are at least 6′4″ while the tallest defender the Jets have to offer is Kerry Rhodes who is listed at 6′3″.
When you start to put it all together like this, it’s easy to throw your hands up and declare San Diego the obvious winner. I disagree. There are several factors that indicate the New York Jets may, in fact, have the upper hand come Sunday.
San Diego will be one of the toughest passing attacks these Jets have had to face yet, however let’s not brush aside that this is the leagues number one pass defense. Nor should one ignore that this is the fifth elite passing attack faced by the Jets this season: Texans (W, 24-7), Pats (W, 16-9 and L, 31-14), Saints (L, 24-10) and Colts (W, 29-15). In the two losses, the Jets were undermined more by Mark Sanchez INTs than poor defense.
The Jets defense can take away the one thing that the Chargers do best, the deep ball. The Chargers number one WR, Vincent Jackson, will find himself a guest on "Revis Island", the sole domain of New York Jets premiere corner back, Darrelle Revis. Revis’ ability to literally blanket the best WRs the NFL has to offer opens the doors of possibilities for the Jets defensively. This will make covering the talented Chargers TE Antonio Gates, RBs LaDamian Tomlinson and Darren Sproles easier for the secondary and thus help to eliminate or severely hamper Philip Rivers ability to dump the ball in the shallows when his receivers are too well covered.
I highly doubt the Jets defense will allow Rivers to take many 7 step drops unmolested to make the big throws down field. The Jets propensity for breaking down the opponents offensive protection schemes will likely keep Rivers off balance, forcing him to either make bad / forced throws or simply throw the ball away to avoid the sack and a loss of yards.
Should the Jets manage to disrupt the Chargers passing game, it will force them to march down the field to score and that is simply not the game the Chargers play.
The main reason for this? The Chargers have the second worst run game behind Peyton Manning’s Indianapolis Colts. Running on the New York defense is a tough proposition. The Jets allowed only one 100+ yard rusher all season and LT is not what he once was. Even with the emergence of Darren Sproles, the Chargers floundered with the 31st rushing offense in the league.
Normally, this is where I would point out the inadequacies of a one dimensional football team but we all know the Jets have some issues there as well. Mark Sanchez, I’m looking at you…
Will the Jets version of one dimensional be good enough to beat out the Chargers version?
I believe so.
This is mainly because of the tremendous run game New York will have in tow. Mark Sanchez has proven to still have a lot to learn about the game but he has also proven to be a quick study and has now demonstrated the ability to manage both himself and the game. By limiting the number of rookie mistakes, he has allowed the run game to really flourish as the Jets entered the playoffs.
San Diego simply does not have the defense it will need to be able to contain the Jets running game. The Jets offensive line will likely dominate a Chargers defensive line that is very weak against the run (20th over all), allowing the Jets to run all over them through out the game.
The Chargers have had issues against the run since DL Jamal Williams got hurt, so the Jets should be able to hold the ball longer and keep it out of Philip Rivers’ hands.
Knowing how deadly the Jets run game is and how not deadly rookie QB Mark Sanchez has been, it is a sure bet that the main focus of San Diego’s game plan will be to stop the run. This may well play to Sanchez’s favor, allowing him chances to make more throws down field than he is normally allowed. It will be a long day for Chargers fans if the Jets manage to get both the run game and the passing game going on Sunday.
A long day indeed.
Am I being over confident about the Jets chances? Perhaps, but it helps to know that San Diego lost to the Ravens, who are basically a carbon copy of the Jets. Plus, I suspect the Chargers could be overconfident against a Jets team they don’t know very well. Over looking a team has never been a good thing in the modern day NFL where on any given Sunday…
Any way you slice it, the Chargers don’t match up as well against the Jets as some would like for you to believe.
Kool-Aid anyone?
Xander Diaz is Editor-In-Chief for AFCBeast.com.
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Nice piece. I couldnt agree more.
Their offensive strength runs into the teeth of our defense. Our offensive strength exploits the weakness of their defense.
by Crackback on Jan 14, 2010 3:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think the Jets can win also
and I hope they beat the Colts, classic irony! As long as Sanchez doesn’t make mistakes and let the running attack win. SD also has a good defense. It should be a close game.
by Jcrew1179 on Jan 15, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the way you think....
Statistics may not support a Jets victory, but analysis based upon the core match-ups are far more favorable.
Go Green!
by oldskooljet on Jan 14, 2010 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m just worried that the Chargers just have too many weapons. Tight Ends especially have been giving the Jets fits in coverage all year long.
Revis can shut down half a field, but the Chargers have other weapons.
"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."
by WebBard on Jan 14, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't put too much stock in that Ravens game in the second week of the season
Take the final score with a grain of salt. That was the first game that the Chargers’ backup center started, and it was his first start ever at center. He had to move in from guard to play center. Also, Rivers had a career day against the Ravens that day, throwing for 436 yards (career high) and two touchdowns. This Chargers team is a different team than the one that played the Ravens.
If there’s one thing Chargers fans have learned this year, it’s that the team takes each and every opponent seriously and underestimates nobody. They come out to win. If you listen to the Chargers soundbites and interviews from this week, there’s no smack-talking, there’s no overconfidence or “we’re going to kill them”, they’re taking this Jets team seriously and know they have an uphill battle, as they should feel.
Also, the Chargers run defense, just like the Jets offense, is being held down by a poor start to the season. We all know that Sanchez, and as a direct result the Jets offense as a whole, has improved in the last few weeks. The same has happened with the Chargers rushing defense: over the last 10 games, the Chargers run defense is ranked 10th, not last, but 10th.
And my final point is I wouldn’t put much faith in being able to rattle Rivers with the blitz:
Half of the 24 times that Rivers has hit the turf, it’s been due to a blitz. And his completion percentage drops from 69.6 to 59.6 when opponents try to overwhelm him. But his league-best 14 touchdown passes under pressure is higher than his total when he’s facing a traditional pass rush (11), and his average gain per pass versus the blitz is one of the best in the league at 9.20 yards. So there’s a high level of risk for defensive coordinators in pursuing the reward.
I have little doubt Revis will be able to shut Jackson down. I do know how good the Jets defense is, and I in no way expect this weekend’s game to be a cakewalk, for either team. I’m just providing counterpoints to the points you touched on in your write-up.
by creanium on Jan 14, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You should really take that post
from kissing suzy kolber. They refer to Rivers as Marmalard.
From Urban Dictionary:
Marmalard: douchenozzle QB who taunts opposing team’s fans promptly after not helping lead the 4th quarter comeback
It’s a funny post and all, but i really wouldn’t post a link to an article that calls my star player Marmalard.
by jetsbill on Jan 14, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a good post: very well thought-out
Charger fan here. This a classic battle of strength on strength as far as the SD passing game goes against the NY pass D. If the Chargers don’t win this battle, it will not only be close, but I think the Jets win (barring a BIG turnover advantage for SD or a massive discipline breakdown for the Jets as far as penalties go and/or special teams).
The Jets running game should be effective against the Chargers rushing D, no doubt. The question is, of course, HOW effective?… If our passing game vs. your D isn’t a draw (or you don’t outright win it with INTs and/or sacks and/or 3-and-outs), will your rushing offense be good enough to actually score TDs and win?… Could be….
I don’t underestimate the Jets’ D at all, and I don’t think I even underestimate the Jets run game (or Sanchez’ ability to make a play or two); I don’t think we’ll pass the ball up and down the field on you all every series by any means: I think we’ll move it well at times and that you’ll stop us, too, at other times. As in many good match-up games, the keys will be red zone execution on both sides of the ball, turnovers, and big plays.
The Chargers Defense is actually the big wild card here. It has been improving and is not as mediocre as some of the stats indicate…. (Not saying it’s great, but it’s not bad, and it may be better than mediocre.) We average scoring 28 points per game and average giving up 20 points per game. During the 11-game winning streak, the team HAS had to come from behind in the 4th quarter a few times, but the defense has not given up more than 14 points in the first three quarters (except against Washington, who had 17 through 3 qtrs. against our 2nd team for some of that time).
The D has given up chunks of points in the 4th quarter, but only when we’ve had a big lead and gone into a prevent. The Bengals even came all the way back against us, only to have Rivers and Kaeding win it at the end. No, the Bengals, as you proved, were nothing much as it turns out, but they were better equipped than the Jets to do well against a prevent….
Anyway, I’m not sure you’ll ever see us with much of a lead in this game (late or otherwise), so the prevent stuff may not come into play…. I think this will be close and come down to the end…. If that’s the case, that’s what the Jets and their fans want, because then anything could happen. Anyone could make a big play to make the difference, and “Luck” could even play a part…. Nonetheless, as a Charger fan, I like our chances in a close game, being at home, and with Rivers at the helm.
Here’s to a good game, and may the best team win!
by jctess on Jan 14, 2010 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
Gotta say…you guys could teach Dolphins fans a thing or two about dealing with opposing fans! Great rebuttal and I must admit that I too think this will be a close one. Thank you for the compliment on the article! Good Luck Sunday…but too much luck! ;)
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by Xander Diaz on Jan 14, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Prevent defenses...
You know what they say about the “prevent defense,” right?
It prevents you from winning.
Man I hate prevent defenses and it doesn’t matter who runs them. It’s the only fear I have when my team is winning by two scores.
by cult hero on Jan 14, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post
And I agree with Xander about the Dolphins fans…
I was at the Jets/Chargers game in 2005 with my then pregnant wife (7 months) and we had a great time with the Chargers fans, even though we were both in Jets green. I hope the Jets win, but if they don’t I hope the Chargers beat the Colts to win the AFC. No offense but I am growing tired of the Colts-Jets game and the backlash from it.. It would be nice to see them get put out of their misery already.
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by NC_Scott on Jan 14, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Ravens may very well pull off the upset.
Maybe I’m just hoping, but I not only think they CAN do it, but that they will…. Baltimore’ll need more from Flacco than they got in New England, though, and he may not be healthy enough. Then again, in order to win in Indy, they probably don’t need to go up 24-0…(!)….
by jctess on Jan 16, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its funny how often these match-ups that everyone spends all this time hyping and breaking down often don't pan out.
How cool would it be if Sanchez has his first 300 yard game, while San diego completely eliminates our run game while rushing for 200?
by Crackback on Jan 14, 2010 4:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
After reading like 50 of your posts....you are calm here
scary calm at that…….matchups and stats are interesting, but games go unexpected ways often
It should be a great game.
We do have golfcart on standby in case Rex emotions get the best of him
by bo_shilo on Jan 14, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol.
I like to ruffle feathers and plant the seed of doubt. Create a little negative atmosphere on the other side.
Seriously though, you never learn anything unless you mix it up. If i can engage you and make you argue for your team I learn stuff that it would take too much time to research on my own. Plus all the back-slapping and cyber-hugging makes for boring conversation. So long as we avoid the ad hominem, its more fun to mix it up IMO.
by Crackback on Jan 14, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jets Have a Good Chance To Win
It is true that the Chargers are feast or famine with their big plays from Rivers to Jackson/Floyd/Gates, etc. If San Diego is somehow forced to run the ball, I believe this would play into the Jets’ hands. Tomlinson and Sproles are not power runners so if the Jets consistently place SD in 3rd and long situations, the Jets should get pressure on Philip like the Broncos did in the Monday night game. Humble the Chargers. J-E-T-S!
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 14, 2010 5:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Could Happen?
Jet gave up an uncharacteristic 170 yds rushing to Bagels. I dont know if you can totally take away Sprouls, Let LT run it, even if has a 100+yds, it shortens the game. The less offensive possessions for the Bolts passing game, the better for the Jets . This formula worked for the Giants Defense when they played the Montanas. Let the Chargers think they can run,and then look to make third down stops. Just getting pressure consistently on Rivers will be key, even a sack or three. Its time for Norv to show his true colors as a choke coach. Jet believe they can do it on a big stage, Chargers still have the monkey on their backs. i wouldnt be shocked if the Jets lose 34-17, just dissapointed, Sanchez has to throw no more than 15-20 times and not be playing from 10 points or more behind going into late third qtr or 4th qtr. Jets must stay with running game, and not abandon it prematurely. If they can get 2-3 turnovers leading to a shortened field they have a shot . Special teams usually a strong point under Westover have been suspect of late. Chochery is sure handed but is not Leon Washington, and punt and kickoff coverages have to be point on. Takes off any restraints on Brad Smiths Omaha packages, and keep Bolts defense guessing. Sanchez is not going to out duel Rivers. Run, Run, Run make high percentage yards after catch quick passes, Hope one or two deep patterns are not dropped.. If all goes well, we can hope that the Colts will hold out their starters in the AFC Championship game.
by sudden death overtime on Jan 14, 2010 5:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Forget the Colts...
We ran just fine with their starters and can do it again. If we beat the Chargers, I’m more worried about playing the Ravens than the Colts. Ravens / Jets is gonna end up being a game with 3 offensive points scored total.
It would be nice to get one more game in Giants Stadium, and ironic that it would be the Jets giving it a worthy last game.
by cult hero on Jan 14, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
And the special teams coverage team last week nearly killed me… They have to tackle or at least kick into the endzone…. Feely looked great punting for a guy who doesnt punt, but he needs some support from the special teams group to cover those kickoffs and Weatherford’s punts…
Football is about 2 things in my mind – turnovers and field position (and turnovers usually lead to field position). The team that inches closer to their endzone each series and plays good D will eventually start a series 2 plays outside of field goal range.
And PROTECT THE BALL Sanchez, and CATCH THE BALL Edwards.
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by NC_Scott on Jan 14, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Turnovers and special teams...
I think the offense and defensive units of these teams are pretty evenly matched overall so in that sense I think this is going to be a very good and very close game either way.
Ultimately, I think the winner of this game is going to be decided primarily on field position as a result of special teams and turnovers. Whichever team wins those battles is going to win. Unfortunately, I can’t say I’ve generally been floored by the performance of the Jets on special teams, particularly when on the kicking team. I’ve groaned more than a few times over huge runbacks from opposing teams. It even happened against Cinci.
If Sanchez plays like he played against Cinci, I’m less worried about turnovers.
by cult hero on Jan 14, 2010 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I should have read your post before I just posted basically the same exact thing just above! Great minds....
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by NC_Scott on Jan 14, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't hold your breath.
Of course the Jets can beat the Chargers, but they’ll have to beat the odds because the total body of work sez the Chargers are the better team, by far. If the Jet running game is so irresistable and their defense so stout, how is it that they were 7-7 before the Colts laid down for them. The Jets might keep it close, or win, because even a favorite loses in this scenario about 1 in 3 times, BUT DON’T HOLD YOUR BREATH, the Jets are dogs and deservedly so. BTW, against common opponents this year the Jets went 4-2 and the Chargers 5-0.
My prediction is a close game (TD or less) unless the Chargers break fast in which case it might take the Jets out of the game and lead to something ugly . Oh, and go ahead and blitz, Rivers sports a 104 Passer Rating against the blitz..
Anyone truly believing that the Jets should be favored should be willing to spot points in a wager. Right? Don’t make me laugh
by Boltzzzz on Jan 14, 2010 6:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Damn Colts...
I think the Colts have finally displaced both New England and Dallas as my most hated team in the NFL and I really hope the Jets get to play them one more time in the playoffs. The Jets ran with the Colts just fine before they got rid of their starters. I’m not saying we would have beaten the Colts, but we certainly could have just like we were capable of beating the New Orleans. (Of course, Tampa Bay demonstrated that that’s not such a big deal.) However, now I can’t get through a conversation about my team without the stupid Colts laying down being interjected into it and no conversation isn’t tainted with it in some way.
I think it’s put a really, really favorable chip on the Jets shoulder though. I don’t think the Jets should be favored. I don’t even want them favored. I think they’re gonna perform much better if they’re considered the underdogs.
They were 7-7 because they have a rookie quarterback. With a solid QB I’d guess our record would be right in there with the Chargers. Even the best defenses in the history of the NFL have issues when the QB turns the ball over 5 times.
by cult hero on Jan 14, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't bring up our gimmes when you have a lay up on your schedule twice a year every year in the Raiders.
If the Chargers are such a juggernaught, why was every game against a good opponent decided by one score?
We blitz. Its what we do. We do it much more often than anybody in the league and we still have the best D in the league. Go ahead and let Rivers continuously take 5-7 step drops and squeeze the ball waiting for something to open up down field. We’ll see if he’s still standing at the final whistle.
by Crackback on Jan 14, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dont forget the chiefs. throw 2 more onto that pile!
by DammnnitDan on Jan 14, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I get your point...
But don’t always take the ‘one score’ thing for face value.
1:56 SD FG Nate Kaeding kicked a 34-yard field goal 20 – 10
0:02 DAL TD Tony Romo passed to Patrick Crayton down the middle for 9 yard gain (Nick Folk made PAT)
San Diego often finds itself with enough of a lead to let the opposing team run down the clock at the expense of a score.
I in no way am a fan of the Raiders (they will always suck in my mind), but they were no easy team to beat this year. They did find a way to beat Philly, Cincy, Pitt, and Denver. You guys had an easier time than we did with them (congrats). I’m just saying, the whole, “you get to play the the Chiefs and Raiders for four easy wins” argument is old…we’re both in the playoffs right? You guys, as much as anyone, should agree to the concept of, “It doesn’t matter how you get there.”
Anyhow, respect. Good luck Sunday.
by Mad_Villain on Jan 15, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You say often but you only provide one example.
by Crackback on Jan 15, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're right, sorry...
vs. Philly…
4th Quarter
14:12 PHI TD Donovan McNabb passed to Jeremy Maclin to the left for 5 yard gain (David Akers made PAT) 16 – 28
7:12 PHI TD Donovan McNabb passed to Brent Celek down the middle for 6 yard gain (David Akers made PAT) 23 – 28
0:30 SD FG Nate Kaeding kicked a 29-yard field goal 23 – 31
vs. Cleveland
4th Quarter
9:15 CLE TD Brady Quinn passed to Jerome Harrison down the middle for 8 yard gain (Phil Dawson made PAT) 27 – 14
4:12 SD FG Nate Kaeding kicked a 22-yard field goal 30 – 14
1:55 CLE TD Brady Quinn passed to Jerome Harrison down the middle for 8 yard gain (2pt attempt failed, Brady Quinn run up the middle) 30 – 20
0:39 CLE FG Phil Dawson kicked a 49-yard field goal 30 – 23
vs. Oak
4th Quarter
12:39 OAK FG Sebastian Janikowski kicked a 28-yard field goal 16 – 21
4:43 SD FG Nate Kaeding kicked a 28-yard field goal 16 – 24
I realize Cleveland and Oakland aren’t considered good, but the point is, one score games don’t explain themselves. I’m sure the same goes for the Jets. I don’t understand how you can say a team isn’t performing well because they only beat good teams by one score.
by Mad_Villain on Jan 15, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These are all bad examples.
Philly — 5 pt game with &mins to go; kicked a FG with 30 secs left. This is a one score game. This game was as close as the score appeared.
CLE — same thing; onside kick and a hail mary and your in OT.
OAK — really bad example; one score game with a ton of clock left.
Dallas is your best example bc the TD at the end of regulation was meaningless, there was no way for Dallas to win/tie the game. Therefore, the TD made the game closer than it appeared.
All of your other examples point out close games where an opponent could have made a play that changed the outcome.
by Crackback on Jan 15, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The opponent could do a lot of things...doesn't mean it will work.
Are you really saying that Cleveland is a bad example because they could have done an onside kick and then done a hail mary?
by Mad_Villain on Jan 15, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Pleanty of time for that.
If you revocer the onside kick, you probably have about 25-30 secs. Even with no time outs, you have enough time for two quick completions and then throw one up for grabs. Not saying they had a good shot at winning, but they were in the game. Contrary to your depiction that the Bolts had the game well in hand and the Browns had no shot.
by Crackback on Jan 15, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the NFL we're talking about...
not Madden.
by Mad_Villain on Jan 15, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anything can happen in the NFL, just look at the end of the Denver game.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 15, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
But that’s the exception, right? The rarity. You wouldn’t plan for something like that to happen and if it did, you would adjust your defense accordingly.
Another perspective…
You’re up by 10 runs in the bottom of the ninth, do you put in your closer? No, you put in some bullpen inning eater. You plan accordingly. Yes, the other team could string together 9 straight solo home runs but you aren’t planning for it, and if it happened, you bring in your closer.
by Mad_Villain on Jan 15, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
7 points or less really isnt a close game by Vegas standards, but I get your point. Also, the achilles heal for the Jets are 20 interceptions from Sanchez. But the Jets have played much better of late, on a 7-1 winning streak (say what you will), and Sanchez looks like a different QB in the past 2 weeks against the AFC North champs.
So I think this game will be close, but you don’t “back into” being the #1 rushing and #1 defense in the NFL. If Sanchez can protect the ball, this team is really dangerous and have a good a shot as any. We are healthy, and our players (Keller, Edwards, Greene, Smith) are all peaking and I think ready for a breakout day. You only need one or two of those guys to get hot to transform the offense. We also have a lot of weapons to account for (Cotchery and Edwards, TJ, Greene, Keller, Clowney, Smith) – two #1 WRs, a pro bowl RB, a future pro bowl RB, a big catching TE who is finally shaking off some rust, and 2 elusive WRs, one of which threw for 8000 yds AND ran for 4000 yds in college, the other who is crazy…. And our O line is sending 3 member to the pro bowl as well.
The D can force turnovers or short series (3-and-outs) and the O can chew up the clock amassing 200 yards on the ground.
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by NC_Scott on Jan 14, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Chargers will earn your respect!
San Diego has gone through the growing pains to get in this position and the will not let the Jets come into San Diego and beat them again. I respect what the Jets have done to get here but the Chargers are on a mission. Chargers 24 Jets 17. We are the more experienced team and it will show on Sunday.
by S.D. Fan on Jan 14, 2010 6:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jets have 26 players that have played in a playoff game
We have a lot of veteran leadership on the defensive side of the ball, FWIW
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by Matt Birch on Jan 14, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I already respect the Chargers, the fans on the other hand have been pretty hard to deal with this week like cult hero said, most have been alright though, the ones who understand that there is a chance they might lose this weekend. I just thought a fanbase who hasn’t been to the Superbowl since 1994 would be a little more humble. You guys haven’t earned the right to be regarded as a team you dread in the post season. You may win, and will congratulate you if that happens, but don’t turn like the New England/Dallas fanbases.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 14, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your defense...
is the biggest threat to us. If it takes three or four quarters for our offense to start moving the ball, or you get a few turnovers, we could be in trouble. I think Rivers will limit his mistakes… but you never know. That’s why they play the game…
by SDreal on Jan 14, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our pass defence has been excellent this year, and we haven’t had it plain sailing, Lito was injured for several games, Strickland has been in and out of the line-up and at one point we had to play Coleman a lot, yet we still came out the season with the best pass defence in the league. Now Revis is healthy, Lito is healthy, Lowery is healthy and it looks like Strickland is healthy as well. If we had been healthy all year the pass D would probably be better than it is now, and it’s 30 yards better than any other team. Like someone said to us, stats only tell half the story, and some of our viewpoints are off after not watching the Charger games, well right back at you. Without watching the Jets games, you can estimate based off stats, but you can’t get a real feel for a team.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 14, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, it's a lot more than that
What, 50 or so played in last week’s playoff game?
by FrankG929 on Jan 14, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, technically only 45 can be active
and your punter didn’t play, so I guess that makes 43 [I don’t think Kellen Clemmens has playoff experience, but I don’t know for SURE about him (or Weatherford, for that matter)]. But who knows? — I guess some of the guys who were inactive might have playoff experience, but I doubt it…. Don’t know your roster well enough to get into THAT!
by jctess on Jan 16, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are focusing way to much on stats
By this analysis, I’m not sure that you’ve actually watched very many Charger games. The Chargers started out 2 and 3 as they were adjusting the loss of their starting and back up nose tackles and starting center. If you remove those stats, the numbers improve dramatically. Both the run offense and defense are significantly improved. The Chargers simply don’t try to run that ball that much. They really use it to keep the opposing defense guessing. When they needed to, they’ve used it successfully to close out games against teams… including the stout run D of Dallas. Dallas knew it was coming, stacked the box, and we still rammed it down their throats to close the game. Additionally the return of our Pro Bowl center, Nick Hardwick has made a huge difference in the run game. The guy is run mauler and the main reason why management didn’t put him on IR despite taking an injury week one that was severe enough for him to miss 13 or so weeks. He’s here so we can run in the playoffs. Additionally, our defense has not given up many plays (run or pass) over 20 yards. We are defense that will make the other team work for yards but doesn’t give up the big play. We are also very good in the red zone and will gladly give FGs all day long. If you notice, we’ve given up less rushing TDs than your defense. A rookie having to throw in a crowded field in a loud stadium plays right into our hands. Our Defense has more sacks than yours and we do create a lot of turnovers.
On the offensive side of the ball, Revis will not take away the deep threat. Even if he locks down Jackson, Malcom Floyd has been catching every single ball thrown to him long, intermediate, and short. They guy actually has the best hands on the team and can jump with the best of them. Nanee is a beast at 6’2’’ and all he does is catch everything thrown to him. He would be a solid number 2 on 20 NFL teams right now. So to say Revis is going to single handedly take away the deep pass is really laughable. Your best bet at doing that is to pressure Rivers but even Dallas had a hard time getting to him. Norv Turner, if anything, is a genius at pass protection. So at best, you have strength against strength there. Sure, you will probably get to him here and there. But to think your team is going to spend the entire day in the backfield is way too optimistic. And if you do get back there too often, you have to cover the Gates in the middle and the dump offs to Sproles.
Obviously, anything can happen. But your optimism is not justified. It will take a hell of game and a lot to go right for you to win on Sunday.
by SDreal on Jan 14, 2010 7:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Totally disagree about Revis not covering the whole field.
By taking your #1 out with one guy, it allows us to roll coverages to other receivers. Floyd and Gates will be double-teamed often. If you can make us respect the run game we’re in big trouble. But if your one-dimmensional, nobody is better at getting to the QB than us. And don’t put too much stock into the sack totals. Its misleading. We get a ton of pressures and hit the QB often. That matters more than sacks.
by Crackback on Jan 14, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Floyd?
I’m just curious. I keep seeing Chargers fans posting about how Floyd is awesome. How he can’t be stopped. How he’s 6’5 and has the best hands on the team. Why didn’t Floyd bother playing during the regular season? Against Washington he had 9 catches for 140 yards. Jackson didn’t play, Rivers came out in the first qtr, and Washington was a horrible team. After that, his next two best games were 3 for 85 against a horrible KC team, and 2 for 64 against an even worse Oakland team. So my question to you is…. Why were this guy so irrelevant during the regular season if he’s so good? (1 td? That matches Jumbo Elliots best season)
If history is an indicator of anything, Floyd will do next to nothing. Revis will limit Jackson, and Gates and Sproles will be the key to the passing attack. Gates is my big worry. He’s a monster, and Rhodes has been a disappointment.
Now i’m sure you haen’t seen many Jets games, just like we haven’t seen many chargers games. Here’s a tip for you. The Jets don’t live off of sacks. They blitz to get the ball out of the qb’s hands fast, which doesn’t allow your receivers to run all over the field trying to get open. It’s going to be one hell of a game.
Final thought… For the way the charger fans have been gloating about their team “we’ll put up points fast”, and talking smack on this board and the bolts from the blue blog, you better pray you don’t lose this game.
by jetsbill on Jan 14, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1 more catch and FLoyd.
1 more catch and Floyd. matches your number #1 receiver; but real point is the Chargers don’t live off of one guy any more…LT nor Jackson nor Gates; 1 weak spot 1 slow Rhodes and bang there’s the flaw. Revis is great and we seen Lito before; but the whole defense needs to come to play. PS crackback Rivers never just sits with the ball….that’s Big Ben
I don’t think anyone has put down the Jets over from the Bolts, we are excited about the game. The Chargers will be a unique match; because we make your whole team come to play. We have our moments though and if that coincides Sunday it will spell doom for us. Otherwise I will prep the golf cart for Rex so he won’t break down at the field
by bo_shilo on Jan 14, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, my math is weak
Floyd had 45 catches. 45 + 1 is 46 as far as I know. Cotchery had 57 catches. 46 matches 57 in WHAT universe?
by FrankG929 on Jan 14, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Floyd had 45 catches (take out the 9 catches in the garbage game against washington, and he has 36 catches). Cotchery had 57 and Edwards had 35. And on top of all of that, we don’t throw the ball, you do. So 1, you’re comparing apples to oranges. 2, you still didn’t answer my questions. If Floyd is so good, where was he this entire season? Why did a guy who’s 6’5 and has such great hands have only 1 td? I just really don’t get it. Naanee is mentioned above as well. He had 24 total catches for the year. That’s about 1.5 catches a game. And you’re right. The Chargers passing game doesn’t live off of one guy anymore, they live off of 2, Jackson and Gates. Personally, i really wouldn’t be shocked if Rivers constantly tries to throw to Jackson even with Rivers covering him.
by jetsbill on Jan 14, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Got ya. If Floyd had 1 more 45 yard catch, he would catch Cotchery. That’s what you were saying? Right?
You still didn’t answer my question. Where was Floyd all season? After all, the chargers threw the ball 126 more times than the Jets did.
by jetsbill on Jan 14, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The common reply is that he sat behind Chambers.
So they say he’s only started half the season. But it still doesn’t explain why, with his 8’6" frame and hands of glue, he only has 1 TD.
by Crackback on Jan 14, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The answer to that is #21
In the red zone, L.T. get the ball and scores with it. He’s still the best at that.
by SDreal on Jan 15, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
U will no doubt now be bombarded with statistical analysis as to why Rivers and his receivers are the greatest football players that ever lived.
And it will be shown that Floyd is actually Jesus in pads and a helmet.
by Crackback on Jan 14, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol I am too lazy as well with stats
I am not a huge believer in stats as they reflect the road they have already traveled. Look at Packers and Cardinals; Packers defense was on a roll then all hell broke lose with the Cardinals..Floyd is a late season #2 receiver taking over for Chambers…
My real point was and has been; the Chargers will be the most diverse opponent. We look for the weak spots, Rivers isn’t going to be chasing Revis all day, he will find Gates and most likely several dump screens. Then out of nowhere he take his shot down the field. Despite some of the media, you will discover this is a far more of a working class team with some unknown popping up with the play. You will be surprised with the balance on the whole team; I personally think the Jets will get hurt in the special team area as well
by bo_shilo on Jan 14, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s just say that you guy are going to be very surprised if you think Rivers is going to be sitting back picking the Jets D apart, you have played a blitz, and Rivers has played well, you haven’t played this blitz and neither has Rivers and within a few offensive possessions you will realise that this is a unique defence. Not many people can disguise the direction of the blitz like Rex, and despite what the media are saying you are going to hear players named called that you have probably never heard of, this defence is set up of starters/back-ups and 3rd stringers and at any point a scheme can be disguised so one of them has a clean shot at Rivers, and he will be hit hard. Just saying don’t be surprised if Rivers spends a lot of time on the floor on Sunday, just like your saying don’t be surprised if he tees off on our pass D.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 14, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if we follow the Miami Model against them we win.
They scored 1 offensive TD in that game on a Rivers sneak. Miami ran all over them that game. It was 3-3 at half and 10-6 going into the 4th. Then Henne, who stepped in for Pennington after he got injured, through a pick 6 and it slipped away.
Miami’s run game is not as good as ours. And their D is not as good as ours.
by Crackback on Jan 14, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Special Teams
has been a sore spot for the jets this year. And i would have to say that the Saints were a much more diverse team than the Chargers. They can throw, run, and their D is pretty good. Against the Jets, their O scored 10 an their D scored 14. I just really don’t see where the Chargers are so deep. They have 1 great receiver, a great TE, and a great QB.
As far as the Chambers argument. If Floyd is a “Late Season #2”, why didn’t his production improve when Chambers left? Floyd was consistent the entire season with the exception of the last game against Washington.
I don’t doubt that this matchup is the best of the playoffs. A solid pass team against a solid pass D. It really doesn’t get any better than that.
By the way… The Packers D gave up 29 passing TD’s in the regular season. Giving up 5 to the Cardinals shouldn’t be a huge shock.
by jetsbill on Jan 14, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't even get me started on the Packers D.
by the way, i’ve enjoyed reading your comments on both blogs. Keep it up.
by jetsbill on Jan 14, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask, and ye shall receive:
Floyd, as a #2 receiver, is #7 in DVOA.
Obviously, that’s solid. In fact, it’s better than solid. No, he’s not a Pro Bowler, but I’m worried about the Chargers re-signing him, because he could command big bucks elsewhere. (Yeah, depends on the collective bargaining agreement — or lack thereof, which is a whole other discussion, and I won’t go into it here….)
In DYAR, by the way, Floyd’s #17. According the Football Outsiders guys, “The simple version: DYAR means a wide receiver with more total value. DVOA means a wide receiver with more value per play.”
In DVOA, the only guys ahead of Floyd are:
1. Vincent Jackson (SD)
2. Robert Meachem (NO)
3. Simeon Rice (MN)
4. Mike Wallace (PITT)
5. Miles Austin (DAL)
6. Marcus Colston (NO)
P.S. Good Luck to the Cardinals Defense for the 2nd week in a row; of course thanks to their own offense (and some early and late play by their D), they escaped last week, so I guess they might again.
by jctess on Jan 16, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jets bitz
So correct about the Jets blitz. Its meant to apply pressure and disrupt the QB’s timing. The scarriest is the overload blitz. The QB knows 2-3 people are getting through, he sees it clearly and rushes the throw. Thats what we want, that fear last all game. Palmer’s release was high all game long in the wild card game.
by amrson69 on Jan 14, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Enter screen pass to Darren Sproles.
Certainly you’ve all seen Darren Sproles take a short screen pass 40+ yards for a TD many times on ESPN. It’s not even surprising to see him do it anymore. Screen plays can negate a heavy dose of blitz. Of course, screens are only effective when they are called at the right time.
Honestly, I think play calling will be a big factor in this game. Both teams have weapons. I think the under rated factor will be coaching and play calling. Ryan and Norv are both great play callers, on D and O, respectively. Whoever dials up the right call at the right time will probably win. Again, strength on strength. I’m looking forward to a good game.
by SDreal on Jan 15, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the Jets biggest problem
Jackson should get shut down. Floyd hasn’t done anyhing all year. Naanee sits. Gates could be a problem, but i’ll put a little faith in Rhodes and Scott/Harris covering him, and him not getting a free release. Sproles on the other hand is going to be tough. Jets will need to assume that he’s going out for screen pass on every play, and block him. If they do that, Rivers gets sacked. The only problem with the screen is that the line releases, so if there is a blitz, and someone picks up sproles ad prevents him from getting out, the qb gets nailed. Screens are very effective, but also very easy to defend. Just block the RB. For a screen to work, an assignment needs to be missed. It’s going to be a great game. It could all come down to 1 play, and i can’t wait for it.
by jetsbill on Jan 15, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, said. These coaches should follow their fans' back-and-forth!
Hopefully they’re a step or two ahead of us, but if not, we won’t be accused of second-guessing…. Turner has all kinds of screens, not just to RBs and Sproles, although the ones to Sproles have been the most effective (WHEN they WORK!)…. I’d look for Sproles a few times to be in the slot or even out wide.
I’ve been arguing over at BFTB for the Chargers to go 4-wide and to the spread…. You guys here can rag on Floyd’s and Legedu’s production, but those guys are solid, don’t make mistakes, AND make tough catches…. They haven’t had monster games because they haven’t been needed to have them…. (One or both may be needed to step up in this one, and Floyd is especially primed to, following his Week 17 game as the #1 WR….) … Rivers is 8th in the league in yards but 18th in attempts (obviously leads in yards per attempt), so he has been efficient, even though he “only” completes 65% of his passes.
by jctess on Jan 16, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you guys have a chance, but that doesnt mean ur gonna win
you have to be careful, the chargers are a lot better than you think, i have been following them all season, so dont get your hopes too high
…but you do have a legitimate chance of winning
by finzrule on Jan 14, 2010 8:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If we win
I won’t doubt the Jets ability to hang with the big time post season teams. But so far this season I just haven’t seen it. The Jets have to completely gel on all facets and I just don’t think we can survive a shootout on the arm of Sanchez.
by Bro Namath on Jan 15, 2010 12:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm picking the Chargers
But yeah, if the Jets win, I’m picking them to go all the way. They have to prove to me they can beat the Chargers, though.
GO JETS!
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by Grady90 on Jan 15, 2010 12:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Get used to hearing this...
Rivers to Gates…Rivers to Gates…Rivers to Gates…
Nice little season though fellas…Go Bolts!
by Bolt Pride on Jan 16, 2010 12:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What a condescending idiot
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 16, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You could be right, but I think the Jets'll double-team Gates
a fair amount, and then you could see above-the-usual production from Floyd and the “Legedude.” And look out for Sproles, too, and not just on screens….
by jctess on Jan 16, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rivers to Gates… incomplete! Rivers to Gates… incomplete! Rivers to Jackson… intercepted!
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by dvdvil on Jan 16, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sproles....
My biggest worry is over pursuing which allows the screens and dumpoffs to Sproles. I am not worried about Rivers connecting deep to his receivers. Of course he is going to go long numerous times because of the height advantage, and he will hope to get a couple of B.S pass interference penalties called a few times. This always seems to go against my Jets. Expect the unexpected from Rex & Shotty Sunday afternoon. Jets baby!
by DJMATTN on Jan 16, 2010 2:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Storm on the Horizon
The National Weather Service has just posted a storm warning for the San Diego County coast from San Clemente to South to the Mexican Border expected to arrive approximately 1pm, on Sunday). Be aware that there will be multiple lightning strikes and that all Jets will be grounded. A storm watch indicates that a weather pattern may develop into a storm. A storm warning indicates that a storm is imminent, and Jets will be grounded!!
by Bolt Pride on Jan 16, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations on a game well played.
Your defense played well and your offense took advantage of the opportunities it was given. You had to play well to win and we had to play poorly to lose and, well… that’s why they play the game.
Your team definitely held it’s end of the bargain. Our team, however… well I don’t even want to go into the penalties and stupidity. But I will say… if you can, watch the whiff Cromartie took towards Shonn Green on his long TD. He had his in his grasp but pulled up at the last second. His bitch-ass approach to tackling puts him out of Revis’ league alone. Revis had a great game and the concentration on that crazy INT was pretty amazing. He was definitely a big factor eliminating anyone and everyone he covered.
I won’t even address the Keading debacle.
Anyway… good game. Most of all, I will say your team hung in there and took advantage of it’s opportunities. Congrats.
by SDreal on Jan 19, 2010 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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