Answering Your Chargers Questions
by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 5:23 PM EST
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PrintHey fellas. My name is John and I run Bolts From The Blue, SB Nation's home for Chargers fans. As you can imagine, after sitting around watching football this week I am very excited for the Chargers to get involved.
Anyways, as David Wyatt has been doing all season, I too have been traveling to the SB Nation blog/community of the upcoming Chargers opponent to offer my services as an "expert" that can answer any questions you guys have about the Chargers.
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First of all guys, can I just remind you to Rec this post so that it stays in the recommended fanpost section for easy access this week.
Hey John thanks for coming over.
I think we all know what we will try and do, and that’s run the football, the Chargers are not necessarily known for being able to stop the run. What do you think you will do to try and combat the two headed monster of Greene and Jones?
Rivers certainly has some impressive numbers, how do you beat him? is the offensive line adept at picking up blitzes. We blitz more than any other team in the league, so how do you think you will combat that?
Sure will have some more questions over the week, but just these two for now.
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I think we all know what we will try and do, and that’s run the football, the Chargers are not necessarily known for being able to stop the run. What do you think you will do to try and combat the two headed monster of Greene and Jones?
The Chargers will put up points in a hurry and try to get the Jets so far behind that they have to abandon the run. Also, for as bad as the Chargers’ averages are in terms of stopping the run, they haven’t really been gashed by anybody. A big reason for that is the offense forcing the opponents to get away from it, but a smaller reason is that the defensive line seems to stop the run in clutch situations (goal line, 3rd & 1, etc.).
Rivers certainly has some impressive numbers, how do you beat him? is the offensive line adept at picking up blitzes. We blitz more than any other team in the league, so how do you think you will combat that?
Rivers is the best QB in the league, statistically, against the blitz. If you blitz him, you’re leaving guys like Jackson, Gates, Tolbert, Sproles and Floyd in one-on-one situations….and Rivers trusts all of those guys to win one-on-one matchups. So while the team will probably blitz more in practice, they don’t have to do anything different to combat it.
The offensive line has not been great at running the ball, but they have been fantastic in pass-protection and specifically at picking up blitzes. The only time it was a problem was immediately after Nick Hardwick (who used to be the one calling out blitzers at the line) went down with a broken ankle. After that, it appears RIvers took over responsibility for it and I don’t think I’ve seen a blitzer running free sine then. Rivers rarely gets sacked anymore, only 5 times in the last 7 regular season games.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Questions
Who is the leading rusher for the chargers
Leading reciever not TE
Best defensive stopper?
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 5:35 PM EST reply actions
-Former MVP LaDainian Tomlinson
-Vincent Jackson, who should’ve been a Pro Bowler this season
-Probably Shaun Phillips, who is kindof like Adalius Thomas was in Rex Ryan’s Ravens defense. He blitzes, plays coverage and is generally everywhere doing everything well.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
VJAX was on my fantasy team, so i followed him and he put up some great numbers.
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!
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Thanks for this.
1) What has been the Chargers’ biggest weakness this season?
2) Who are the other playmaking wide receivers aside from Jackson, whom I assume Revis will cover?
1) The run defense is not very good, but when you’re on an 11 game winning streak it’s hard to label anything as a “weakness”. The run defense has lost the Chargers 2 games (Steelers, Ravens), but both of those were close losses and the team has come a long way since then. So while it’s not as good as the rest of the team, it’s not really something that can be attacked for a victory anymore.
2) Malcom Floyd, who is like VJ-light. 6’5", lots of speed and I think the best hands in the league. Antonio Gates should be considered a WR for as much as he blocks. Legedu Naanee is usually the slot WR, but there’s some doubts about whether he’ll play (he has a foot injury). If he doesn’t, Buster Davis will take his place and shouldn’t be overlooked (even though he’s been inactive all seaosn).
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Floyd
May be the most underrated wideout in the league. He’s built like an Avatar alien, but with ticky-tack hands. I think he and Gates are the guys to watch in this one (as Vincent Jackson will be busy sipping Mai-tais and disappearing… on Revis Island).
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 12, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I get this question every week and my answer is always “I don’t know”. I can’t look back at what’s worked, because those 3 losses came in first 5 weeks of the season and the team has completely changed since then. The only possible answer I can give is double Gates, double Jackson and hope that Floyd doesn’t kill you. If they can make the Chargers kick FGs instead of score TDs, that will keep their strong running game in the game and they could win a low-scoring affair.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I’m right in saying that we have given up 9 passing touchdowns in 17 games, so it’s quite possible that we may be able to keep you out of the end zone, at least through the air anyway. Really excited about this match-up.
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This season the Chargers have been a team that’s used the pass to get inside the 10 and then have been very effective at running the ball in from there. You’ll notice that despite being the worst rushing offense in football, the Chargers still managed 17 rushing TDs…..and that was after a rough start to the season in the red zone. LT actually had 11 rushing TDs in the 2nd half of the season.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Double Jackson...
Ha. Its a shame Relle Rev’s talents can only be used on man at a time.
by My Pet Goat on Jan 10, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
But yet it hasn’t stopped us amassing the best pass defence in the league….go figure
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I’d hardly characterize the Saints offense as being “much better”.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
Does
“Somewhat better, and miles more versatile” work for you?
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 12, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll agree to somewhat better. I doubt their versatility.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 12, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
If I may.....
The best way for the Jets to play the Chargers is similar to the way the Cowboys did. Run the ball and keep the Chargers offense off the field. The Cowboys got out coached in that game and not necessarily outplayed, similar to the Chargers/Giants game.
A lot of teams tend to shy away from the run game in the second half because the Chargers are able to put up points so quickly. If the Jets stick with the run and milk the clock that will be an issue for the Chargers. Once Rivers gets on a roll it’s tough to slow him down.
On defense, if the Jets try and blitz a lot they will be toast. Rivers will pick on single coverage all day and the Chargers run some of the best screen plays in the league so blitzing will happen, but will be determined by down and distance. If Revis is able to take Jackson out of the game, the Jets will need to keep everything in front of them and take away the middle of the field.
Be aware, the best way to kill your run game is for the Chargers to put up points fast, so you can bet on the fact that Norv will be very aggressive on the first couple series.
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by Steve Adler on Jan 11, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How is Larry English coming along?
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I was reading something…Pro Football Weekly, I think…..earlier this week and their description of Larry English this season was that he was “invisible”. I couldn’t think of a better way to describe him. I’ve never seen so many near-sacks in my life.
There’s no doubt that he has a great motor and great work-ethic, but there are some serious doubts about whether he’ll ever be an effective pass-rusher in the league. His wingspan very small for a pass-rusher, he doesn’t have great power and his speed is pedestrian. This pick was billed as a “project” for the future, so I remain hopeful, but Larry English has yet to show Charger fans anything to be excited about.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
When the Chargers get a lead and are trying to run some clock...
how do they do it if their running game is so poor?
how is their pass defense? Can they rush the passer consistently and how well can their corners cover?
-It’s changed from game to game. Sometimes they’ll run with Darren Sproles, sometimes it’s Mike Tolbert (starting FB) and sometimes it’s Jacob Hester (backup FB). All of those guys have had games where they’ve been effective and games where they haven’t been. The short answer is that Norv keeps bringing different guys in and trying different types of run until something starts working, but you won’t see that unless the Chargers are up by at least 14 in the 4th quarter.
-Their corners are fantastic. I’d argue that Jammer and Cromartie are both in Revis’ “league”. Steve Gregory, who has been the nickel corner for the last 11 games, has been really good near the line and on short passes but doesn’t have the speed to cover downfield. The safeties (Weddle at FS, Kevin Ellison/Paul Oliver at SS) have been very good as well.
The pass-rush is another thing altogether. Sometimes it’s there, and when it is look out. This team gets sacks in bunches. However, there have been entire months where it seems to disappear entirely. December was one of those months. If it wasn’t for the DEs getting a little bit of pressure (which really isn’t their job), opposing QBs would have 5 minutes to throw the football. When the Chargers get a lead, you’ll see a lot of corner and safety blitzes called to try to generate pressure on the QB.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
With all due respect NO ONE is in Revis' league.
Im all for sharing information, and am quite appreciative of it. But lets limit the puffery.
That was because of the 49-yd TD that was caused by a double-move (meaning the pass-rush deserves most of the blame).
Also, it shouldn’t be of much concern in this game considering the Jets don’t have any great WRs.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Jammer and Cromartie are both shutdown corners. How ‘bout that? Most of the teams going against the Chargers throw more at their TEs and RBs than at their WRs, and that’s not by choice. As I said before, the pass-rush can disappear for months at a time and yet the Chargers still win every game over that month. You can’t do that without great corners.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
I concur with CB, corners can be great, but nobody in the league is on the Revis level, QB rating throwing into Revis coverage is 32.3. with a 37.7% completion. Cromarties QB rating into his coverage is 70 with a 55% completion. Jammer is almost identical to Cromartie. Cromartie has allowed around 130 more yards than Revis, Jammer nearly 200. Those two have 15 passes defended between them, Revis has 23 on his own.
Good corners, but sorry man, not in Revis’s league.
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I’d argue that Revis’ numbers would be similar to Jam’s and Cro’s in SD’s defense (meaning, without the Jet’s pass-rush), but nobody would listen.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t think you would sell anyone on that here to be honest. I doubt you would sell anyone on that period who have watched the last 17 games. Best performance by a corner since Sanders 1994 DPOY performance.
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It’s strange that people also think we have this awesome pass rush. Ask any Jets fans what we need to improve for next season, and I think 80-90% will say the pass rush.
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Yep. We could definitely bring in another DE… or OLB (f—-ing GHOLSTON what a waste)
I think what makes our pass rush so great, is a lot of it comes out of our secondary with Rhodes/Leonhard.
Really keeps offenses off balance.
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Keeps offences off balance and leaves Revis on an island. Without him we don’t have a pass rush.
Yer I’m sick of Vernon as well, stuck up for him for the best part of two years, but he really is not showing any improvement at all. Most expensive special teamer in the league.
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Ranked 14th in Adjusted Sack Rate compared to the Chargers’ 22nd.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 11, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
qb's avoid revis and he still...
defended 50% more passes than your 2 corners combined. And he’s in 1 on 1 during those blitzes which you think pad his defensive stats.
Cro and Jammer are usually 1-on-1 as well. The difference is sometimes they’re defending for 10 seconds or more because the pass rush can’t get to the QB.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
I really can’t believe that you are comparing Cro and Jammer to Revis. That is beyond ambitious, like I said further down, I saw a few Chargers games this season, and let me say without a single doubt in my mind that Revis is on a completely other level and the only way you wouldn’t be able to see that is if you haven’t watched Jets games and just hear what the media say and consider it hype.
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It’s more about how important I think that extra talent is. If we’re grading CBs on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the best….Revis is a 10. Jammer is probably an 8 and Cromartie is probably a 7. However, I don’t know that there’s so much difference in an 8 and a 10 that it’ll shift the game in the Jets favor. Really, any CB that rates higher than a 7 on that scale, the opposing QB is going to throw away from (which is another reason you saw those TE totals so high).
I’m not saying that Revis and Lito aren’t great. They are (I’m a huge Lito fan, btw). I just think that when you factor in things like the level of talent that the CBs are going up against, things come out fairly even in this game.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
So a guy who removes his opponent's best receiver by himself
is essentially the same as lesser corner who covers the same guy with safety help?
You’re right. What were we thinking?
So i guess our offense is as good as yours in this game...
considering the level of talent theyre up against.
No, see the difference is depth and also at the other positions. Yes, Cotchery will probably have the same impact in this game as Jackson. However, Gates will have a bigger impact than Keller (probably) and guys like Tolbert and Sproles have to be accounted for in the passing game as well.
Basically, what I’m saying is that Jackson & Floyd vs. Revis & Sheppard is not much different than Cotchery & Edwards vs. Jammer and Cromartie.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’m glad that these comments are getting more civil. They started so rough yesterday. Although admittedly, that was probably my fault.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
We were never going to agree on everything, especially ahead of a big game like this, but it hasn’t been too bad. Better than it is with a lot of fans, at least you guys seem to respect what we can do, which has been a lot more than a lot of fanbases this year.
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I respect everything about the Jets except for the rookie QB. That’s just a bias against rookie QBs though. If the Jets had Rivers, I’d be weeping.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t blame you for that, I would be the same if Rivers were a rook. Sanchez is still a mystery to us, and he hasn’t earned the respect of the league yet. Although the performance this past Sunday was a nice start.
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Except that
Unlike Edwards, Jackson and Floyd can catch.
Oh Edwards can catch, he catches some passes that you wouldn’t believe. Unfortunately he also drops some sitters. However he is a great team mates and one of the best blocking wide receivers in the league. Obviously you need him to catch balls, that’s his job, but he has the ability to do just that.
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New York is much better covering passes to backs than the Chargers are
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by Richard Wade on Jan 11, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Luckily without Leon Washington, you won’t have to worry about that too much. We will run some option with tosses to the backs, but actually passes to them will be few and far between.
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The Chargers are the worst team in the league defending passes to the running back. If I were the Jets I’d try to find a way to exploit that.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 11, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
We might well give Danny Woodhead some time out of the backfield. Although it’s generally accepted that Greene doesn’t have good hands, I haven’t seen anything that suggests that is true, and even Rex said a while back that his hands were a lot better than he thought they would be.
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arr well I see what you are saying, and I think it comes down to how you evaluate the differential between a 7-10 scale. I don’t think saying Jammer is an 8 and Cromartie is a 7 as being unreasonable, but everyone has a different evaluation of what the scale represents so that’s where the confusion is always coming up.
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It is funny how...
we are discussing CB’s, yet your ability to backpedal would make Revis envious of you.
Back-pedal in what sense of the word?
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Another blind homer...
Philly — Avant 8:156; Jackson 8:91; Maclin 6:76 1 TD
KC — Chambers 7:70 1 TD
Broncos — Robinski 4:69 (No, I never heard of him either)
Cowboys — Williams 4: 74; Austin 6:71
Redskins — 5:104
I take everything you say with a grain of salt.
Thats Kelly from the 'Skins (nope, never heard of him either).
Saying Jammer and Cromartie are as good as Revis is a slap in the face.
Those are mostly garbage yards. When the Chargers have a big lead in the 4th quarter, they’ll switch to a soft zone that allows 10-15 yd passes to anybody and everybody. The yards to the Cowboys were given up at the end of both halves as a way of letting the clock run down. The only one that’s legitimate in that group is Avant, who destroyed Steve Gregory as the Eagles slot WR.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
quentin jammer a “shutdown” corner?? HAHAHAHAHA
by chrebetsthebet on Jan 11, 2010 5:36 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't you hear?
Cromartie and Jammer are in the same league as Darelle. DPOY voting should be neck and neck and neck.
I was thinking the misnomered “Obviousman” was a bit of a blind hometeamer in his first few responses, but this removed all doubt.
Would that be like us saying Keller was in the same league as Gates? or maybe Wallace Wright in the same league as VJ??
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I think it’s a case o John choosing the wrong words to get his point across. Revis is arguably the best corner in the NFL. Jammer is a top 10 guy imo and Cromartie is probably in the top 30 if you’re only looking at cover ability.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 11, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Jammer is an exceptional cover corner. He doesn’t get targeted very often and he has hands of stone so you don’t see him getting gaudy INT numbers.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 11, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Can't help but notice how soft your schedule was, particularly your division.
How do you think your team will hold up in against a very physical Jet team?
The Chargers played 9 of their 16 games against teams that were .500 or better over the course of the season. They went 6-3 in those games.
The Jets played 9 of their 16 regular season games against team that were .500 or better over the course of the season. They went 6-3 in those games.
I think they’ll hold up just fine.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Couple Questions
Did Charger Fans want to face the Jets or the Patriots more once the Jets won their Game against the Bengals?
Do you feel that Norv Turner can get around some of his coaching follies in the playoffs and lead this team to a victory this week? and
Is there one player on Offense and one player on Defense on the Jets that worries you?
Matthew Falkenbury
Did Charger Fans want to face the Jets or the Patriots more once the Jets won their Game against the Bengals?
Patriots. We wanted revenge (long story) and wanted to face a team that relied more on the passing offense to put up points. We know the run defense isn’t great.
Do you feel that Norv Turner can get around some of his coaching follies in the playoffs and lead this team to a victory this week?
I’m not aware of any of Norv’s playoff coaching follies. In 2007, he lost the AFC Championship game to an undefeated team while his 3 best offensive players were seriously injured. In 2008, he lost to the eventual SB champions without his starting RB. In neither game did he embarrass himself. If anything, his best coaching has come in the playoffs.
Is there one player on Offense and one player on Defense on the Jets that worries you?
Shonn Greene on offense. Revis on defense. Revis doesn’t scare me as much as he’s just a nuisance out there.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well he is looked at as someone who folds under the pressure, maybe I overstepped my bounds with Norv.
I know the long story, the whole dancing on the logo in 2006 that pissed off LT. I got ya.
Best of luck next week
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This is because of his first gig in Washington.
Ancient history. Norv came here in ‘07, and has never been one-and-done in the playoffs in his career. The guy is cold as ice. The basic knock against Norv Turner is that he has historically not been the best motivator, but this team sees this season as their best shot at the city’s first ring.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 10, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
He's also...
… a Schottenheimeresque, risk-minimization-minded coach. ESPECIALLY in the playoffs.
Punting on 4th and short in Pat territory when down two scores in the mid-4th-quarter (see 2006-07 AFC Championship) doesn’t exactly constitute “embarrass(ing) himself,” but it ain’t exactly redolent of “playing to win.”
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 12, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Best chance to win that game was with defense and field position. See injuries to: rivers, tomlinson, gates. “risk-minimization-minded” coaches dont run some of the plays that norv runs in big games that are close. dallas game, example: direct snap to WR nanee, who throws a backwards pass to QB rivers, who is lined up as a WR, who throws the ball downfield to WR floyd, who is double covered.
“Revis is just a nuisance”
LMAO. Oh he’s a lot more then that….
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This guy is a homer if I have ever seen one. He hasn’t given an unbiased opinion yet. The fact that he labels cromartie and jammer as shutdown corners is hilarious. And he thinks Rivers will automatically find who is gonna be blitzing. Brady couldn’t figure that out and Rivers isn’t even in his league!
by chrebetsthebet on Jan 11, 2010 5:40 AM EST up reply actions
Hardwick and Rivers collectively are really gifted at reading blitzes. It’s almost impossible to get Rivers off the edge; you have to come up through the middle like the Ravens and Broncos did. But this isn’t the same line as the Ravens and Broncos faced. No, if the Jets win it’ll be because they abandoned the blitz right from the get-go. Blitzing Rivers is generally a very bad idea.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 11, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Rivers isn’t even in [Brady’s] league!
In 5 years, you’ll eat those words with a spoon. Rivers is just a kid still, and his career PR is already #2 in NFL history (well ahead of Brady, thanks).
John’s guilty of a poor choice of words about Jammer and Cromartie. But the SD secondary is definitely top-eight as a unit, and maybe even better. Jammer could start for any team whatsoever, and Cro for almost any. The guys behind them aren’t chopped liver either.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 11, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I hate Tom Brady.
Rivers is really good but to mention him in the same breath as Brady is crazy talk.
He hasn't earned the same accolades
But on the field right now, yeah.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 12, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Listen your guy is really good. No argument.
He’s not near Brady yet. Brady has three rings. and he won those with far less talent than Rivers has now.
Like I said...
Brady this year has not been as good as PR, and no, he can’t pin it on his WR corps now. But yeah, he’s got the hardware and he earned it the hard way. But he’s going through a rough patch now, and Rivers is several years behind him and putting up better performances this year.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 12, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
He outperformed Brady THIS year.
But Brady has had one of the best regular seasons of all time. And Brady plays ina touher division and I think the Pats had one of the toughest, if not the toughest, schedules in the league this year.
Like I said, PR is really good. But still a notch or 2 behind Brady.
The resume
Is well behind Brady’s.
If I had to pick one right now for the next 2-3 years, it’s Rivers 5 times out of 5.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 12, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
i wasn't aware...
that the afc east was such a competitive division up until the last two years…if a team ever had a golden ticket to a division championship it was the pats…rivers is a beast, all the receivers are dangerous, and revis can only cover one person at a time…there’s four others to worry about
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by notorioushbi on Jan 14, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Can people stop talking like Revis is the only player we have in the secondary that is capable of covering players. Lito is more than capable, so is Rhodes, Leonhard is one of the best SS we have had in a while, and despite some hiccups, Lowery is still a serviceable nickel, as is Strickland.
So I have heard this argument about 10 times this week, Revis is the best in the league, hands down, no questions, but we have other players in this secondary that are more than capable.
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So true. And I think people fail to realize the signifigance of Revis...
That he goes single on guys that are normally doubled, which allows us to double other guys that are used to being singled. It disrupts an offense’s rhythm and timing as well as what a QB is used to seeing.
Philip Rivers is
the highest rated passer vs. the blitz this year. FYI, rivers IS an elite QB who can play with the best of ’em. You can say guys like orton, e. manning, and cutler arent in bradys league but not rivers.
Brady is decent against it as well, and we hit him 20 times and kept him under 50% in completions in week 2. Can say he didn’t have Welker etc but that’s still not easy to do.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 12, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed but
to say that rivers is “not even in bradys league” borders on stupidity.
I don’t really agree with the comment about Rivers not being in the same league to be honest, Brady’s got the hardware but Rivers probably will as well at some point.
However I did just see some comments over at your place saying that Rivers is going to torch this defence, etc etc same old stuff, so with the lack of respect for the best pass D in the league, we might as well make some stupid predictions as well. Like Sanchez is passing for 400 yards on your D, or we are holding Rivers to 50 yards passing.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 12, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Brady won 3 Superbowls with less talent. What am I missing?
I stand by what I said. I never called Rivers a slouch. Saying he’s not on the same level as the best QB of all time is not an indictment.
"Revis doesn’t scare me as much as he’s just a nuisance out there."
If you really think that you’re in for a bit of a shock.
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even v-jax has said...
that he respects revis and is fine with only getting a few balls thrown his way, because this offense isn’t focused on only one player…if you focus on taking one player away, another is almost always open…at least when rivers is throwing the ball and one of 4 6’5" receivers is going up to get it…now, lest you label me as a blind homer, the jets were the team that i least hoped the chargers would face simply for your defense and run game, but we’ve faced several other good defenses and ground games and the result 9 of 10 (or 13 of 16) times is PR17 making plays, the defense holding the other team to field goals, falling behind, and abandoning the running attack from necessity and fear…a close game makes me nervous, if the chargers get up by 17 i think it’ll be pretty much a done deal
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by notorioushbi on Jan 14, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
What makes Revis special is...
most teams would have to double V-Jax in order to neutralize him, thereby leaving others with single coverage. We can single V-Jax and double other guys in order to slow down your offense.
I get what your saying, but pretty much any team in the playoffs with a 17 pt lead is going to win.
true...
i’m just pointing out what has been the case, especially during the win streak…you may have watched, but if not the final score has looked a lot closer in many of those games than you’d think….we let teams put up a lot of garbage points, we ran our fullbacks and just kept the chains moving and were fine with FGs or punting and nailing the other team deep again…i’m not saying i’m confident that’s going to happen, but it has against other quality Ds…gotta head to work now…be glad to talk with you guys later, if the wife lets me…lol
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by notorioushbi on Jan 14, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Here’s the deal. There are three Bolts receivers (VJ, Gates, Floyd) that most teams have to double and two guys (any two of several) you can’t ignore: it’s like playing Whack-a-Mole against Speedy Gonzales. Rivers generally has a whole lot of options. Eliminating one more doesn’t do much, even if it works.
You need to get pressure up the middle. There’s just no defending the NBA team if you can’t get a ton of pressure, and getting in off the edges does no good. Gotta get through Dielman/Hardwick/Vasquez, and you gotta do it with 4 or 5 guys. You won’t confuse the PR Machine, even if you show him something he hasn’t seen: somebody’s always open and he always knows who. But if you get him up the middle without bringing the house, it’s anybody’s game. Good luck with that; it hasn’t worked since Week 6.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 14, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Lol. U guys are hillarious.
Just saw a DVOA that showed its a statistical impossibility to complete a pass on the Jet defense and Football Insider just put out an article that said that the trends show that the PR Machine is due for 5 picks and a sprained big toe.
Machines don't get injured.
But if they did, they would secretly have the damaged component removed and play in the AFC Championship Game within the week.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 16, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Revis doesn’t scare me as much as he’s just a nuisance out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5tKr6kODqo
Say goodbye to VJax for a week and hope your team can get it done without him
Just look at the chart at the end of all the receivers held under 35 tards. It is truly amazing.
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Revis should be celebrating his DPOY award this week if the Sportswriters have any clue what they are talking about.
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I know its supposed to be a regualr season award but....
This weekend certainly reaffirmed our belief it should be Revis over Woodson.
Ochocinco had 2 catches for 23 yards and 0 tds
Fitzgerald already has 5 catches for 66 yards and 2 tds
And the only reason Chad Revis had ANY catches was bc Rex called Revis off.
He blanked for 2 straight games IMO.
Woodson is not even close when it comes to coverage skills. It’s not even a contest. he just forces more fumbles/sacks because the Packers actually bring him on the blitz. How many times has Revis blitzed this year? a handfull at most.
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The Announcers....
what the HELLLL was that? Joe Gibbs sounds like an 80 year old woman. That is the best NBC can do for a playoffs game?
That’s what I meant. It’s a nuisance to have to run the offense without VJ, but it really doesn’t slow the Chargers down any.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
What I meant is that, as a corner, he can be avoided. The Chargers don’t have to throw to VJ, because they have a bunch of other weapons, and they won’t force it. What scares me is dominant pass-rushers and play-making Safeties like Ed Reed.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said before, I’m sure everyone appreciates what you have on the offensive side of the ball, but you will also have to appreciate what we have on the defensive side. We don’t hold the best defence, and the best passing defence because of Revis alone. Lito is a very good corner with Revis, our safeties are good as well, we have linebackers who can run with the best of them. If you are coming in expecting to walk over the Jets with your passing game, I have a feeling your going to have a very rude awakening. For all the playmakers you have on the offensive side of the ball, we can match them on the defensive side of the ball.
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Just because you say
Kerry Rhodes can hang with Gates doesn’t make it so.
by Natrone Bomb on Jan 10, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Just because you say he can’t it also doesn’t make it so, don’t get your point
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What Revis is to CB's
Gates is to TE’s
by Natrone Bomb on Jan 10, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So while Jets fans are supremely confident Revis will do his job
no matter what caliber of player he is facing, Chargers fans feel the same way about Gates.
by Natrone Bomb on Jan 10, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
That’s perfectly fine, confidence in your own players is fine, as long as the recognition of the opposition talent is there. I think everyone has said a lot about VJ, just confident that he won’t be a factor. Like your confident Gates will be a big factor.
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That's why I'm so excited about this game
Rex Ryan is one of the best defensive minds and Norv is one of the best offensive minds. Both teams have talent and there are a lot of interesting match ups. I can’t wait!
by Natrone Bomb on Jan 10, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
It wouldn't suprise me...
… if Rex uses Revis to cover Gates occasionally. He has used him to cover multiple receivers depending on the situation, though I don’t think ever on a TE, but if any TE deserves to be covered by Revis, it’s Gates.
by secret defense on Jan 10, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Then Rivers will go deep to Jackson
If Revis is on Jackson then Rivers will got to Gates and Floyd. Mix that with some Legedu Naanee, Darren Sproles, LT, and Mike Tolbert. Now you start so see why the Chargers have scored 20 points or more in 22 consecutive games, Norv/Rivers will find the mismatch on any given play and get that player the football.
by Natrone Bomb on Jan 10, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Never said it was gonna be easy
but Revis isn’t the only player responsible for our #1 rank on defense neither. Just like we might see how good your offense is, you might see why our defense allows only 153 passing yard/game and 8 passing td’s in the regular season.
by secret defense on Jan 10, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I just hope we don’t go zone like we did against Gonzalez. If Gonzalez is going to find the gap in the zone then Gates will find it as well.
This really is a great match-up.
P.S by the way this questions thread is going, it’s going to break the record for opposing fans question thread. Think Colts have that with 130 off comments.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s how this is playing out in my head.
Jets D>Chargers D
Chargers O>Jets O
This has potential to be a close game that’s won by luck, (lack of) penalties and special teams. Those three areas happen to be San Diego specialties this season.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 6:40 AM EST up reply actions
I see this as hard to dispute.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 11, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not at all expecting to walk all over the Jets with the Chargers passing game. I think, against an average NFL defense, the Chargers put up 30 points. In this game I’m thinking it’ll be more like 16-20. I just don’t think the Jets offense will be able to put up that much against the Chargers D.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 6:38 AM EST up reply actions
IF YOU ARE COMING IN EXPECTING TO WALK OVER THE JETS...
First, I beleive you are fling in…#2 seed remember?
Second, We won’t walk, we will pass, Revis or not.
Nuff said, see you sunday.
As a pass defence specialised team, we welcome teams throwing, especially at Revis.
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Apparently(spelling)
And suprising enough, you being from N.Y. and all, Jets get grounded in Lightning Storms..Just saying…
Check the flag image and then realise how wrong you are on all accounts.
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Just saying,
You all want us to respect your defense, and that has been done, on the other foot, John gives his opinion, and you dont respect that…What everyones looking for is respect…Thats all!
You respect logical opinions, it came across as him saying Jammer and Cromartie were as good as Revis which is like us saying Keller is as good as Gates, now imagine how you guys would of taken that. It was sorted out after it was discussed, but now we are back on the issue after you bring it up again.
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Talking trash is fine, but lets keep it to football.
Spelling? Really?
Cromartie...
… would probably be better than Revis if the guy wasn’t such a head case. He’s more concerned about fathering kids in multiple states than he is studying the playbook. But he’s probably a better natural athlete than Revis. Having said that, it takes more than raw talent to be consistent in the NFL and Cromartie just isn’t consistent. But when he’s on his game, he’s literally amazing to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Of0QMHiak
Can you be better than Revis though? See what you are saying but Revis is a once ina lifetime type of player. Been said several times over the past couple of weeks , we are witnessing the best season of a corner-back since Deion Sanders in 94.
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Maybe better...
Deion wasnt shackled by the “contact” rules that Revis is subject to. Imagine if Revis could hand check beyond 5 yards or was just generally allowed to play more.
Revis is really good...
and he’s having an amazing year. The list of WRs he has shut down is nothing short of amazing. Personally, I think you will be better off moving him around instead of just locking down on VJ. We have too many weapons. There were a few games where VJ was shut down and it happened to correspond with MONSTER days from Gates and, to a lesser degree, Floyd. You might do better making PR guess who he’s covering each play. Rivers is playing lights out and he just keeps finding the open man to throw to. It’s not uncommon for him to hit 8 receivers in one game.
Having said that, Rivers isn’t afraid to throw to Jackson when he’s one on one simply due to his size and athleticism. He’s thrown a ton of passes on Baily and Asomugha already this year. Revis is definitely having a better year than those two (Baily doesn’t frighten anyone in SD anymore). But it will be interesting to watch if PR tests him. If the OL can protect Rivers, I doubt he will be afraid to loft a jump ball down the field if he sees one on one coverage. PR has a knack for throwing the ball in just the right spot. He’s been doing it all year a level of consistency that’s just amazing. Finally, even if VJ is a decoy for 60 minutes, Floyd, Gates, Nanee, and Sproles can get open all day. Our fullbacks can catch and there is also that one guy that has an MVP and all those TDs who wears #21. Last I checked, he has pretty good hands too. Although we don’t use him as much, he still has 12 TDs and is VERY effective in the Red Zone. He may go down as the best RZ scorer in NFL history and that’s exactly how Norv uses him in this offense… but I digress.
And to answer your question, no. There is zero chance of me being better than Revis.
No doubt you have a ton of talent on the offensive side of the ball, but our pass D doesn’t just consist of Revis. Obviously you guys are going to have success through the air, that’s what you do, you can’t stop everyone all the time. However just because VJ is covered doesn’t mean the other giuys will get open all the time, Lito is a good player and he will handle himself against Floyd, they will beat other back and forward all day. Rhodes on Gates, obviously on past form you have the edge, but you just don’t know on any given day. Our linebackers and lineman are as active as any group in the NFL so we can get to the plays underneath. Again not saying all this is going to happen, but it could happen, we could limit you, just like you could annihilate us. End of the day it’s 11 v 11 on the day, and anything can happen.
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This opinion of Cromartie is dated.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Cromartie has stepped up his game
But he still has mental lapses. There is no reason why Cromartie shouldn’t the considered the top 2 or 3 corners in the league (if not the best) every year. The guy is a physical freak of nature. Quentin Jammer is more consistent year in and year out and he doesn’t have close to the measurables that Cro has. I will give him credit, he has been playing much better this year. He’s only made a few bonehead plays. And yes, I don’t think it’s fair to measure stats because the Chargers play so much soft zone in their many blowouts this season. That’s why our Defense is so under rated… We play bend but don’t break defense. Either way, it should be a good game. If we get up early, it’s over. If we struggle to score, it could be a long day. The Chargers will eventually move the football, I just hope it starts happening in the first quarter and not the fourth.
You say the Chargers will try to get out of the gate early and build a lead
OK, I hear that…. but isn’t the layoff a concern for you?
Possibility you all come out a bit rusty?
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Yeah. They're not going to let that happen.
These guys used to struggle out the gate. But that’s changed. You’ve never seen an offense like this: The Chargers have four receivers who could start over any WR on the Jets, Bengals or Ravens, and the greatest TE since Kellen Winslow, Sr, plus about half a dozen other RBs/FBs/TEs who can all catch, not counting backups.
The Jets’ only hope is to get pressure with four rushers. If they have to blitz to get pressure, they’re hosed. Blitzing the Chargers is asking for a reaming.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 10, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree.
Drew Brees had carved up blitzes when we played the Saints in week 4 and we really shut down that offense. I don’t think we’ll blitz as much but bringing more than 4 is something you should expect. I disagree that you have 4 wrs better than us too. Cotchery has amazing hands and is a great route runner. Edwards amazing talent hands of brick. I think you have a better wr corp but saying your 4th wr is better than ours is ridiculous.
That's 'cause you don't know our #3 and #4 WRs.
Legedu Naanee, assuming he plays, can play any skill position with equal ability, TE, FB, HB, QB, whatever. He catches everything, is very hard to jam, and does a great job getting 7-12 yards pretty much every time the ball goes his way. Buster Davis is a great route-runner who has excellent hands and speed, though he’s not as tall or as physical as VJ or Floyd, and has a reputation for being fragile.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 10, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think it can go both ways here, having a soft spot for the Chargers (obviously not this week) I saw a few of your games this year, and Cotchery is better than Naanee and Davis without a doubt. Have you seen much of Cotchery, the guy makes fantastic catches regularly, is as reliable as you like, is a good run blocker, knows where the sticks are, fights for extra yards. You might not of seen enough of him, but come Sunday night, I really do think you would chance your opinion. Cotchery over Naanee and Davis no questions asked.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yer Rivers is my favourite QB in the league as well (after Sanchez of course) I think it also comes from me disliking Eli Manning so much.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
cotchery
was rivers WR in college.
He compared Sanchez to Rivers in the beginning of the year
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/cotchery-compares-sanchez-to-rivers.html
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by cameronm on Jan 11, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Sanchez turns out to be like Phillip Rivers I will be absolutely delighted, can see where he is coming from. His accuracy struggled for a while, but he is starting to get much better. I think we all expect an improvement next season.
I forgot that Cotchery played with Rivers.
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The only thing that might keep him from getting there is his height. It’s very hard to be a top-flight pocket-passer in this league unless you’re at least 6’4". Drew Brees is the only exception that I can think of.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 6:44 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Cotchery would be a great #2 receiver. I like everything he brings to the table, but don’t see the potential become a #1 (where I believe he is now). At this moment, he’s lightyears ahead of Naanee and Davis (who are both still raw).
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 6:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not concerned about it. These guys have been sharp as a tack since their last bye week. They also practice at a faster speed than just about any other team in the league. That’ll keep them sharp during the bye.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Starting slow is a concern...
Keeping the score close and running the ball is definitely your best bet. If the Chargers get up by 14 you’ll be in big trouble. If the score is close at the end of the 3rd quarter, it’s quite possible your running game can wear down our defense. Honestly, that concerns me the most. However, if Rivers has the ball with 2 minutes left… and they need a score to win, the team and Chargers fans have all the confidence in the world that he’s going to score. He hasn’t failed in that situation all year (running Sproles up the middle on 4th and 2 against Baltimore falls on Norv’s shoulders, not Rivers).
I think this game really will come down to our O vs. your D. If our offense struggles, you will probably hold onto the ball and wear us down running it. If our offense can move the chains, our defense is just good enough keep you out of the end zone. What I haven’t read much here is about how good our red zone defense is. I hate the ‘bend don’t break’ cliche but we’re pretty damn good at giving up yards and field goals, but not TDs. Sure your defense is better, but it has to be with an average offense. We’ll gladly give you rushing yards and FGs all day long because we usually get TDs. That really has been the philosophy of the coaching staff. I would think it’s stupid myself, only I’ve seen it work all season long.
That sounds like a reasonable assessment SDreal, we are not kidding ourselves thinking this team is built to come back from 14-21 point deficits, but the Colts offence is a cracking one as well, and when they left with 4 minutes to go in the 3rd, they had scored 15 , so we had the capabilities. We need to keep it close, and we have a tendency to beat out those few yards, we will also use high % passing, starting to get the impression a little that some of you guys don’t think we can pass the ball at all which is not the case, we just lean on the strength and compliment it with the work in progress which is the passing game. In the first play-off game Sanchez would of had one in-completion if it were not for the two drops, and finished with around 240 yards and 2 TD’s with no interceptions. So while it’s not a strength, we can pass the ball sometimes.
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The colts are bulit just like the Chargers as well.
Not a great running game but an awesome pass team.
Defense is so-so.
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!
In each phase of the game, the Chargers have been in-line with or slightly better than the Colts this season
But the parallels are certainly there:
Offense DVOA (Rank)
SD: 30.6% (2nd)
IND: 23.8% (5th)
Defense DVOA (Rank)
SD: 2.3% (14th)
IND: 1.5% (13th)
Special Teams DVOA (Rank)
SD: 0.2% (21st)
IND: -0.8% (22nd)
So the Chargers and Colts are actually very similar in their performances this season. It will be interesting to see if the Chargers and Colts meet up in the AFC Championship game.
They operate with the same strengths and weaknesses: strong offense, average defense, below-average special teams (average meaning 16th-ranked, not 0.0% DVOA).
One More Thing
Do Chargers Fans worry about Nate Kaeding when it comes to pressure time in the Playoffs? we both know he didnt get it done in 2004. and is only 8 of 12 in his career and do they feel like a win here would make up for that tough loss in the WC Round in 2004?
Matthew Falkenbury
not at all
he was a rookie that year, he is a completely different player.
Kaeding is clutch, i wouldnt want anyone else kicking field goals.
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as a matter of fact
he was saying how ever since that game he has had a chip on his shoulder, if anything i bet he wants to have a chance to kick the game winner.
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Most accurate kicker in history
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 10, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Vanderjagt was the most accurate kicker at one point too….and lest we forget the 2005 Divisional Round shank vs. the Steelers
Matthew Falkenbury
so because kaeding is accurate
it somehow makes him an idiotic ass who shanks it in the postseason?
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Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 18, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, any kicker can flub any kick.
But am I specifically worried about my team’s kicker missing FGs? Heck no. That stuff does happen, and it’s happened to Kaeding in playoff games in the past, but this guy gets better every season.
For pretty much any player position who puts the ball in the air (QB, K, P, LS), you’ll have an easy time getting any Chargers fan to argue that their guy is the best in the league, or at least way up among the elite.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 12, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
One last question
What is the run to pass ratio?
I used to like the Patriots and Dodgers, then my balls dropped
by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 7:09 PM EST reply actions
519 pass/427 run
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I know that Merriman hasn't been nearly as effective
as he was in the past. With that said, where does the SD pass rush primarily come from? Phillips, Castillo? Also, how often would you say the Chargers rely on a blitz to get pressure on the QB
Merriman has had spurts of effectiveness. Early in the season, he was recovering from the knee issues. Once that felt good, he started racking up sacks. Then he hurt his groin and foot and hasn’t been very effective since. The team, and Shawne, believes that lots of rest (I don’t know that he’s done any running in weeks) will cure both and put him as close to 100% as he’s been all season against the Jets. So there’s a chance he’s effective in this game.
Primary pass rush comes from Phillips and blitzers from the secondary. Sometimes they’ll even substitute a MLB for a third Safety and blitz him that way. The pass-rush, like the run defense, hasn’t been great this year when the Chargers weren’t facing a team like the Chiefs or Giants. Ask any Chargers fan why the defense has been so good this season, and the answer is “the offense”. Also, Ron Rivera is a freaking genius.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
He was a coward. Even though he was coaching the 3-4, he was terrified of sending any sort of blitz. I don’t know that he ever send 5 guys at all. In 2007, his ass was saved by Merriman going nuts. In 2008, his weaknesses were glaring. It was startling how little he blitzed, as the coach of a defensive scheme that was created for the sole purpose of hiding blitzers.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
If there is one thing i learned
from this, is that chargers fans are COCKY and over confident in their backups.
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They are definitely cocky. And are due for a loss.
Every good team they’ve played has been a one score game. The only teams theyve blown out are the same teams that we and everybody else has blown out too.
Imagine how much more padded our stats would be if we played the Raiders and the Chiefs twice. Thats a quarter of their season.
To be fair though guys, trying to look at it objectively here, would we not be cocky riding an 11 game win streak? were pretty cocky winning 6 of the last 7. So I think it works both ways here.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we're cocky. Confident, yes.
We’re not going around acting unbeatable. We’re calling our 3 and 4 receivers better than their number 1. We’re not the ones calling their corners as good as Revis. We acknowledge that we very well could lose. They act as if thats an impossibility.
Excuse me sir but you're the one predicting an easy win
If Sanchez doesnt turn it over, the Jets win easy.
Sanchez seemed to have no problem last week against a much tougher defense with much better corners.
The Jet D held in check a much more potent offense in Brees and Co. in their house. We shouldnt have any problem moving the ball and scoring points against you guys. We’ll probably be able to do what ever we want.
They only thing that would kill the Jets would be multiple picks by Sanchez or Sproles going crazy in the return game. But Sanchez hasnt turned it over in weeks now.
Chargers are too soft to hang with the Jets.
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by Natrone Bomb on Jan 10, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
"We’ll probably be able to do what ever we want"
Sounds pretty cocky to me.
by Natrone Bomb on Jan 10, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Last I checked your squad is terrible against the run.
We are good at running. We probably want tol run. We probably will be effective. We probably will be successful.
talk about being cocky.
You called out John for being biased, yet you throw things like “terrible against the run” and “every good team the Chargers have played was a one score game”.. Eagles and Cowboys games were over with 10 minutes left in the game, yet both squads scored touchdowns in the final minutes to make it look “close”.
SD run defense has given up only 2 100 yard rushers this season (Mendenhall & Chris Johnson)
As the guy who called our #3 and #4 receivers better than Edwards
I disagree with the claim that either SD corner is Revis. But the tandem is pretty impressive. I’m not necessarily predicting a blowout, either; any playoff game can go either way. But yeah, I think we have a pretty hot football team, and a lot of it is the unarguable fact that the all-important passing offense is killa, and the team doesn’t give up many turnovers or penalties. Oh, and Robopunter plus Superkicker. This team is not Cincinnati; you will not hold them to 14 (the fewest the Chargers have scored this year is 20). The opposing offense has to get points, and it has to get them with long fields. Palmer totally laid an egg in that game yesterday; Rivers doesn’t do that.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 10, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Coverage+pressure often leads to QB’s laying an egg against the Jets. Schaub wasn’t much better week one, Brady week two, Matt Ryan, Peyton wasn’t exactly doing that much against us. It works both ways, Palmer didn’t have a good game, but a lot of that was because we forced him to not have a good game. I don’t think it will be easy, we are underdogs and rightfully so, it’s in your home stadium, of course it’s going to be one close game, most play-offs games are. If any team is going to hold you to under 20 points though. It’s going to be the Jets
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
NB’s point is right though. Even against really good, blitz-heavy defenses Rivers has been consistently great this season. Here are some of his QB ratings against better defenses:
BAL – 85.0
MIA – 85.8
DEN – 97.3 & 109.1
PHI – 131.8
DAL – 89.6
Nobody is doubting that the Jets defense is really, really good. However, since Philip Rivers has yet to post a QB rating of lower than 84.5 in any game this season (Sanchez only had 5 games of 84.5+) it’s hard for us to imagine him coming out and having a clunker of a game. Do you believe the Jets defense is significantly better than all of the defenses listed above?
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 6:55 AM EST up reply actions
Except for Dallas, its not even close.
But Dallas is hard to judge since Philly has played these last few games w/out their center.
Somebody earlier was mentioning that the Jets were #1 in DVOA Defense. On that list, Baltimore is #3, Denver is #7, Philly is #6 and Dallas is #10. So if anybody is close, it’s Baltimore.
If the Jets defense is as good as you say it is, then the media (which has been covering Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez every day) has missed a huge story about how much better this defense is than any other defense in the league. Because, although it’s been complimented….I don’t know that I’ve ever heard it complimented like that.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
1. Only one person said that the Chargers #3 and #4 receivers were better than the Jets #1. Cooler heads would point out that, even if that were so (it’s not), Dustin Keller is a great weapon that’s being ignored in that sentence.
2. I said Jammer and Cromartie, who I believe to be shutdown corners (because they’re thrown at very infrequently), were in Revis’ “league”. That was meant to be a compliment to him.
3. Forgive us if we sound cocky, but we sound unbeatable and have a hard time predicting a Chargers loss because it hasn’t happen in ages. In reality, the team has changed so much (in terms of scheme, gameplan and personnel) since the Chargers last loss that I can honestly say “I haven’t seen this team lose”. Therefore, I don’t know if they’ll ever lose and I don’t know what would make them lose. It’s not cockiness or arrogance, I actually have been saying for weeks that the Jets are a terrible matchup for both the Colts and Chargers (I said that the Colts pulled their starters to avoid losing the game with their starters in). It’s just us fans knowing that we shouldn’t bet against this team after getting burned for doing so on numerous occasions.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 6:49 AM EST up reply actions
Its cocky bc every good team that you've played has been a one score game.
A bounce here, or tip ball there and its a different outcome.
Our team is stacked. Our only liability has been our QB. We are virtually undefeated when he has just not played bad. We can’t see ourselves losing if he actually plays good (as in last week’s game). And he seems to be getting hot at the right time.
He had two good games against the Dolphins and the Jets lost both of them.
I didn’t know that close wins against good teams didn’t count. How many wins do the Jets have over good teams? Considering the Colts and Bengals rested their starters for the second half, I’m going to go ahead and say only two of the teams the Jets have beaten were legitimate. Wins against the Bills, Raiders, Bucs, Panthers and Kerry-Collins-led Titans do not make your team “stacked”.
Who have the Jets beaten besides the Patriots in the home opener and a beaten-down Bengals team?
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
The point is that every good team has been right in the game with you guys.
Your team is not invulnerable. Our defense will slow down your offense. Your defense will allow our offense to keep pace. It will be a close game. Closer than you or any of your bretheren seem willing to accept.
I don’t know that anybody is predicting a blowout. As you pointed out, the Chargers have shown a knack for winning close games this season. Everyone expects it to be close, but Charger fans trust the coaching and Philip Rivers to win close games.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
This.
And as the guy who said that LN and Davis were better than Jericho C., I watched that WC game again last night and I take it back. I still maintain that those kids could totally start on an awful lot of teams….
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 11, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I actually take that back, they are very cocky, even more so than the Colts fans we had over. Went over and there is talk of a blow out, how the Colts fans should just sit back and relax the trip the AFC championship game. There is confidence in your team, and then there is football ignorance and those guys are bordering on it. Some good guys have come over to talk tonight, but like every fanbase they have their idiots too.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Its funny how
How now the Jets are SB contenders and will actually be able to keep up with San Diego blah, blah, blah when not too long ago they lost to ATL at home with, what was believed at the time, their play-off lives on the line. Then they got their x-mas present from Manning and Co. and all of the sudden its the big bad Jets. I will let you in on a little secret…the Bengals AKA the Bungles, were the worst team in the play-offs (another gift for the Jets).
I can’t blame Jets fans though, I fell for the very same fantasy last year when the Chargers sneaked into the post season and won a game. I remember thinking that we were unbeatable and that beating the Steleers was our destiny and that they were due for a loss etc, etc. Then the 3rd qtr. came along and we barely sniffed the ball.
Did San Diego become a powerhouse and someone forgot to tell me?
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
its hard to say that they are not a powerhouse this year. a perennial new england type? no. would you be surprised if the chargers are holding the lombardi trophy at the end of the year David?
It’s the play-offs, I wouldn’t be surprised to see any of the 8 remaining teams holding up the trophy.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
thats true also. but of the 8 remaining teams theyre are always those that are expected to do more than others. and the chargers are one of thoses teams.
Well time to get back to work before i get canned. this is too addicting. Good talking to you David and good luck next week.
Same to you, it should be a cracking game, and may te best team win.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
It all comes down to...
San Diego as a team is battle tested, New York is not. That is a fact. Not all the mindless hyperbole the media likes to shovel at us.
Battle tested?? By who? The Raiders and the Chiefs and the Broncos?
Soft team with a soft schedule and highly over-rated.
WOW
i wouldnt call the nfc east and afc north soft
I would.
The Cowboys lost to the Giants twice. The Giants are terrible. The Eagles lost to the Raiders and got blown out by the Cowboys 3×. The Cowboys are hugely over-rated.
NFC south is a joke aside from the Saints.
Yeah we lost to the Falcons, but our QB threw 3 picks in that game and we still held them to only 10 pts.
we lost to the bills
doesn’t mean were a bad team. Any given sunday guys.
That was just one of those days, 5 interceptions by a rookie QB and we still could of won it with a field goal but we took a dumb ass penalty. People like to look at that win and throw it back at us, but this team is not even close to being anything like that team.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
I know.
I’m just stating the fact that even very good teams can lose to a really bad team. Those days are gonna happen.
Without a doubt, anything can happen on any given day. We seem to understand that, other fans seem to struggle.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 11, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
In the Rivers era...
SD has lost 18 regular-season games.
In ’06, we lost two games to playoff teams.
In ’07, we lost one game to a 4-12 Chiefs team, but at the time they were winning (they fell off the cliff a few weeks later and lost 9 straight), plus games to the 8-8 Vikes, and three playoff teams (NE, GB, Jac).
In ’08, we lost 8 games to 5 playoff teams, an 8-8 Broncos team, an 8-8 Saints team, and the Bills when they were 5-1.
In ’09, we lost to the Ravens, Steelers and Broncos, all 8-8 or better.
Haven’t lost yet to a bad team except before they got bad.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 11, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Technically
One of those games in ‘08 was taken away from the Chargers. But it’s a moot point now. ;)
5
ints by ur qb and almost winning is impressive in my book no matter who your playing against. most defenses would fold.
Your right about that MVP. Good to see a decent objective fan come over. Saw some of your guys ripping one of our writers changing his name to ‘bitch’ or something like that lol Sure Matt will take the immaturity in stride.
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I call it how I see it.
We all have a**hole fans. Funny how most of them only appear when the team is doing well.
You didnt play Indy this year.
Neither your team or their’s is the same as its been in years past.
your right.
We are BETTER than last year when we beat them. Even though their record doesnt prove it i think indy was better last year.
They had a better record than you...
Played in a better division, and had a tougher schedule. Your team is not as good as Sam Jackson and Boomer told your it was.
11 wins in a row beg to differ my friend. We have been through it all as a team. HAHAHA the colts only played against three winning teams.
Which is why the Ravens will be taking down the Colts on Saturday
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
I hope your right.
the ravens looked nasty today. i love manning as a qb, but there is nothing i like to see more than his #18 end up on the turf.
Unfortunately that doesn's happen
all too often, But we were giving them a hell of a game before they pulled their starters
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I know it.
I was hoping ur jets would go to indy instead.
If he means playoffs, that's fair.
In that case, his answer would be Titans, Colts and Colts. Those are the teams we’ve beaten in the last two years. In the last three years we’ve lost playoff games to the Pats, Pats and Steelers. That counts as “tested” in my book.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 10, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Can you explain that fact a little more?
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Sure.
I dont think your Jets would be able to pull off what the chargers did last year. Plus we have beat indy on a regular basis in both reg and post season. we have been to an afc championship game and played well with lots of injured pro bowlers against arguably one of the best temas in history.
Against Playoff teams
You have won by 3,3, and 8.
And lost by 5.
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Your right about that, but we were putting in a new system here, on defence, we had a QB learning the offence, we brought in a receiver who also had to learn the offence from scratch (Schotty’s offence is not an easy one) we had two devastating injuries to two of the better players on this team. The team that lost to Buffalo and the Dolphins is not the team you will see on Sunday. Atlanta game was a nightmare, we missed three field goals, and it was just one of those days in the end. It happens sometimes, but this is a good team, so saying it will be a blow out (not you, but some Charger fans) is quite disrespectful, and I have to think that if you think this is going to be a blow out on Sunday you don’t know football. It would take a complete Sanchez collapse for it to ever reach the blow-out stage.
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Sometimes
but close games mean more of a likelihood of a play or two deciding the game, even a bad call (like when you got Hockuli’d last year).
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6 wins against
raiders, chiefs, skins, and browns. THATS SCARY
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7 more wins
Against the Broncos, Eagles, Cowboys, Giants, Dolphins, a sound beating of the surging Titans, and the Chargers 2nd and 3rd-stringers beat the Redskins.
What’s your point?
The point is that your record is inflated by your cream puff schedule.
If we swapped the bottom half of our divisions, and the Jets played the Raiders and Chiefs twice instead of the Dolphins and the Bills, we would be 13-3. Our team is just as good as yours.
NFC South was a weaker matchup than the NFC East. Also, Buffalo twice a year is the same as KC twice a year.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Can’t argue with that. Simple fact is we should of had more wins year, division is irrelevant. We should of had the home Buffalo one, and we should of had the home Dolphins one. We let two slip away, so really this team should be 11-5. No guarantee that we would not of screwed up against a team like Kansas like we did against Buffalo.
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No guarantees but Buffalo bearly beat us despite 5 picks.
Buffalo had an extemely hawkish secondary and are probably better than KC. Thats enough to tip the scale for me.
If the Jets met the Raiders after Russell was benched, they could’ve lost. So could the Chargers. That team got dangerous quickly.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
After the game was 24-0.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
They still didn’t put any points on the board
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Exactly. He didnt play defense.
We rushed for 300 yards. The outcome wouldnt have changed.
i guess if you guys get to add a few wins
then 2 of our losses should have been wins against the Ravens and the Steelers. In the NFL, a loss is a loss.
In that case we should be
16-0. Denver only beat us at home because our special teams fell apart. Baltimore beat us because Norv had a brain fart and called that terrible play the Ray saw coming before Norv even thought about it. Pittsburgh beat us because we just ran out of time after mounting a furious come back…blah blah blah.
coulda woulda shoulda. Excuses are like a**holes.
In defense of Norv
The same draw play he called in the Ravens game worked the week before against the Raiders, that’s why he called it. It wasn’t a 4th-and-goal situation, he was just trying to pick up the first down.
If there’s anyone to blame, it’s Mruczkowski for not picking up Ed Reed’s blitz. Had Reed’s blitz been picked up, the play likely would have worked. But, that’s a bit harsh to throw the whole game on top of Mooch, but it was his first game starting at center after only ever playing Guard.
This is why I like the Chargers in this game.
Generally, I think SD has the more talented team but the matchup stinks. The one saving grace SD has is that the one path to victory that teams have exploited (an inexperienced C/RG/RT combo) has slammed shut. PR has pretty much brushed off any and all pressure for quite some time, and now Hardwick is back at full strength, so Denver-style delayed A-gap blitzes will just fail. Edge blitzes generally suck against Rivers, and the receivers are too good to give them any time at all and expect to survive. Now they have the shield to go with that big honkin’ sword. How do you defend that? So far, the answer has been “lose, and be thankful that Norv is a gentleman and will let you avoid embarrassment with some garbage points.”
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 12, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
We have actually heard this a lot this season, how teams will just complete quick passes around the blitz, and it just doesn’t work against us. It may on Sunday, but there is a good chance that it won’t, we give up 30 yards less on average through the air than any team in the league. So again we have heard this before but yet after the game the other teams fans are left scratching their head. Not saying it’s definitely going to happen, but just be prepared for it. It’s one thing taking advantage of a blitz, it’s altogether another one taking advantage of a Rex Ryan blitz. If I’m wrong, will hold my hands up and admit it, but be ready to do the same thing.
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You said it
creanium it worked against the RAIDERS AND that mooch was starting for the first time AND we were banged up pretty bad at o line. That all falls on norv in my eyes. On that same note hindsight is 20/20…
your right again.
but the odds are stacked against your team.
They have been for the last two months, it makes no difference to the fans or the team
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Annoying at first and then you just accept it and feel enlightened when the team actually wins.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
play offs wins are that much sweeter too. i almost balled after the indy game last year and we didnt even really win anything.
We haven’t had too much experience, but we have a team in place to change that over the next 5 years. last time we were in the divisional round was 2004 where we missed two field goals, and ended up losing by a field goal. Was absolutely devastating.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Jets have a good chance to supplant the Pats on top of AFCE.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 10, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely
Like some people were saying, today could be the day the torch is passed from the Patriots to ourselves. If Sanchez continues to improve like he has done over the last three weeks. The sky is the limit for this team.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
You're not without competition for the role
The Dolphins swept you and end up just 2 games behind, with a first-place schedule, no? And Buddy Nix will make a great GM.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 13, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yer but they have little defence, and the wins came on special teams plays that we don’t usually concede, this year all the breaks went to the water creatures. They can have there moment in the sun with the sweep, not a chance it happens next year, this team is much better than there team. Their schedule was comparable to ours, on paper it was tough at the start of the year, but that was when everyone thought the Steelers were going back to the Superbowl.
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Dave, you're right about Game 2
but the first game vs. Miami was our worst defensive effort of the season, we couldn’t stop the Wildcat at all and gave up 3 TD’s in the 4th. Ironically, that was one of Sanchez’ best games — he brought us back the first 2 times but there was virtually no time left on the clock after MIA’s last TD.
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Don't briing that game up David.
I’m pretty sure I cried throughout the night.
Sure was a tough one, and we marched Brien out of town, bit us in the butt twice. One we lost the game, two we reached for Nugent.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think we picked Nugent.
Just to please the fanbase and tell them that won’t ever happen again. But a 2nd round pick? really? Couldn’t we have gotten him later, like a 5th rounder?
Was a terrible selection for sure, and it definitely was to appease the fanbase to some extent. We could of gotten him later, I doubt anyone was taking him in the 2nd or 3rd.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 11, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Devastating divisional round loss =
finishing the season 14-2 as the #1 seed and self destructing by getting a personal foul penalty on 3rd down that lead to a FG (thank you, drayton florence), fumbling an INT that lead to a TD, missing a 54 yard FG, and losing by 3…then the opposing team mocks you by dancing all over your logo.
You forgot the fumbled punt
and the fact that on that fumbled INT all he had to do was go down and the game was over. We didn’t need to score or to change field position or anything just take a couple knees and game over. Oh and then after the game in which he fumbled away a trip to the AFC Championship Game McCree says “I don’t have any regrets, I’d do it all the same again I’m always trying to score with the ball in my hands” I hate you Marlon McCree!
by Natrone Bomb on Jan 11, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Marlon kinda made up for it when
he almost killed Reggie Wayne the following post season.
So battle tested means...
an 11 game win streak? Impressive, but I think you’re arguing two different things here.
Anyway, Chargers fans have a right to be cocky. And I think for the most part Jets fans watch games with a pit of dread in their stomachs. But, FO has the Jets one spot ahead of the Chargers in total DVOA rankings (to the Bolts credit, there 11 game streak puts them ahead in weighted DVOA). There seems to be a lot of well deserved hyperbole around the Chargers high octane offense which was ranked 5th overall by FO (although 1st in weighted offense, which places more stock in recent performance). But in terms of statistical dominance the Jets defense is the clear cut #1 in both total and weighted DVOA, and its not even close. I think Chargers fans might get a little queasy next week when the score-a-bunch-of-points and then run-and-hide game plan doesn’t work out as well as it has for the past three months. I wouldn’t predict a Jets win, but the way things have been falling for this team over the past four weeks is ridiculous. If there’s one team that was built to make life miserable for Marmalard and coterie of magical receivers, its Rex’s squad. If Sanchez doesn’t turn back into a pumpkin this will be a good one.
battle tested means
as a TEAM whos core has been the same for the past few years and the things theyve done together. this win streak is just one of those examples.
Phillip Rivers
is no peyton manning
He will have trouble against us
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there is only one peyton manning…but philip is not that far behind. his numbers speak for themselves.
He pads them against the Raiders and Chiefs and all the other cream puffs on your schedule.
They thought he arrived bc of what he did to the Giants. But we all now know what joke the Giants are.
His best numbers of the season were probably against the Eagles.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly, did you watch any Charger games this season?
Rivers’ best offensive outputs were not against the AFC West, but against teams like the Eagles, Cowboys, Titans, Bengals, Ravens. All teams outside the conference.
Rivers attempted 4 passes in the entire 2nd half of game 2 vs. the Chiefs. Pretty tough to pad your stats that way.
Rivers is a great quarterback no doubt, but if you under estimate this defence, you will be paying for it for a long time. Your players better be up for a fight, because we play smash mouth football, some players can’t take getting hit continuously. If you catch the ball, your getting put on your back, and hard. Just saying.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 10, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I became a fan of Rivers...
when he played with a torn ACL i think. Man that just won me over.
Everyone loves that kind of attitude and heart. Didn’t he also have a little bit of a war of words with Cutler, and most people around here hate that idiot so Rivers seems like a popular guy.
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Cutler
is a scumbag. I loved it how he tried to blame Rivers for their run-in and showed what kind of a man he really is by crying himself, a’la Eli Manning, out of Denver and into the QB abyss known as Chicago. Jay and Eli should be buddies.
That was pretty intense
They guy went out and had a secret surgery to remove his ACL so he could play. Seriously, the guy has no fear. Most QBs don’t talk smack to the defense because they line up to tee off on your all day. But he jaws anyway because he’s just having fun. The guy really sits in the pocket and delivers the ball down the field. Whenever people say we should have kept Brees, I just laugh. I like him and I’m a big fan of Brees, but we have our guy and the Saints have theirs. No reason to look back.
Cutler is a douchebag. Later in interviews, Rivers just laughs it off and says it’s all in fun and compliments Cutler. Cutler just talks about how much he really doesn’t like Rivers and how he shouldn’t carry himself that way. What a joke.
Kerry Rhodes and Rivers should get together, Kerry Rhodes is not a big fan. I don’t mind a bit of jawing, and obviously our team enjoys it lol, sure Bart Scott and him will be going back and forward a couple times on Sunday, like you say it’s all good fun.
I get a few Giants fans who say they got the better deal getting Eli, and only reason they have is the Superbowl.
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Blind you are if
you think the Giants got a better deal. They won the superbowl because the sun shined on the dogs ass that day. Eli is lucky the G-men D pulled a great one out of their rear ends.
Eli is clutch and makes big plays in the big spot.
Lets not knock a guy who led his team to a ring until we do the same.
Yeah, but the Chargers got Merriman, Kaeding and Oben in the deal.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 12, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Not that you could compare Eli to the PR Machine.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 12, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Eli kept his team in it, give him credit, until he made "THE PLAY"
And “THE PLAY” involved an uncalled hold (maybe more than one), the question of whether or not Eli was in the grasp, and a mind-boggling catch by a slot reciever over an aging safety. That one took luck.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 12, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
the NY defense won that game.
if you think that eli manning > philip rivers ur in the minority. if you think eli manning > philip rivers, shawne merriman, nate keading BLIND YOU ARE.
You forgot Roman Oben.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 13, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
I get a few Giants fans who say they got the better deal getting Eli…
Dude, send them my way. I got this here bridge….
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 11, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Next time they come a knocking will bring it up, ridiculous really.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 11, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure Norv Turner
will be taking the Jets D pretty seriously. Ced Benson might not (I’ll admit, he was awesome on Saturday), but people that get paid to do this stuff for a living aren’t fooling themselves into thinking this unit is anything other than nasty.
nasty they are
nothing but love for any rex ryan defense from me
Have the Chargers seen much of the option plays?
The Dolphins call it the Wildcat.
We were calling it the Seminole with Leon Washington.
Then the Tiger with Brad Smith.
Then it turns out Rex has been calling it the Summit High School play.
Also, how do Chargers fans feel about B-Schott in general?
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Yes and no.
The Chargers have seen it against the Eagles (Vick), Dolphins (Brown), Browns (Cribbs) and even a little against the Broncos (Moreno). It hasn’t been very effective against them.
The Chargers run a similar set to the Jets, sometimes using Legedu Naanee (3rd WR/College QB) and sometimes using Tomlinson. It’s been used as a “trick play” that was meant to get big yards (50+), but usually Gates runs an underneath route as a safety valve and ends up being the one thrown to for a 20-30 yard gain.
We know nothing about B-Schott except that he may have been the cause for his father’s firing. Marty was adamant in his stance to bring in his son to be the OC in San Diego after Cam Cameron left. AJ Smith didn’t like the hire, didn’t think Brian fit the team or it’s mentality (I think AJ was right) and suggested other candidates (including Norv). Marty wouldn’t budge and forced the owner to make a choice.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Are you sure about the Brian thing? I am pretty sure that Marty wanted his brother, Kurt, to coach the defense; but A.J. Smith said f-that. Ya know, cuz Kurt sucks.
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Wow, you’re right. I’ve had that story wrong all along. Thanks for the correction.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry
Hey John! thanks for come over. I will be sorry if the underdog jets beat SD. Good luck on sunday and please hope that our D treat your QB well… !! go jets !!!
Just heard the line
Chargers are 7.5 point favorites.
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Awesome. Jets have no pressure.
Who gets fired/cut if you lose?
Nobody. This team, and it’s coaching staff, will be back next year.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
That’s really not surprising, you guys should be favourites, you had the better record, you have a hell of a team and your at home. We don’t mind the underdog tag.
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I’m not surprised. I just wanted to point it out. If Vegas thought this was an even matchup, the line would be closer to 4. Obviously they either think SD has a big advantage (especially considering they don’t beat good teams by large margins) or they’re expecting a ton of money to come in against the Jets.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not a betting man, I think gambling is for fools so have never really paid attention to what the line is. To be honest we have been told all season we are no good, we won’t win but here we are in the divisional round. It’’s pretty much deja vu 10x over for us.
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Both.
70% of action is on the Jets.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 11, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Another question, just wondering who you will likely be looking at in the draft this year? I like to have an idea of who teams around us are likely drafting.
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Depends on who you talk to. If you’re talking to me, I’d say the Chargers take the best available running back in the first round. No idea who that’ll be though.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
SO C.J Spiller then, although he is likely gone by the time you guys are drafting, Jahvid Best is probably more likely from Cal.
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Best is an option, but it depends on his health. No way we get a shot at Spiller.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Best was an absolute beast this year, if we needed a running back would be all over him. If he was a little bigger all teams would be falling over themselves trying to get him. Got to love that speed though.
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The size worries me. It’s the main reason that Sproles can’t be the #1. I think the team will shy away from somebody that is viewed as too small.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
“washed up” is relative. He’s no longer a viable starter in the league, but that doesn’t mean he’s not still an effective runner. Either way, the writing is on the wall that he needs to be replaced ASAP. There’s lots of speculation that LT retires after this season, which is part of what fuels that talk.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
NT, Jerrell Powe, assuming he declares.
DE, Tyson Aluala
RB, James Starks
ILB, Pat Angerer
by Bluelightning on Jan 13, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Nice choice on Aluala, big fan of his, think he can make a nice impact as a 3-4 DE
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Whomever AJ picks, LT, Jamal Williams, Jacques Cesaire, and Stephen Cooper will need to be replaced by the start of the 2011 season, possibly sooner. We have 2 drafts to do so. I really hope he starts this draft.
And yes, the DL is an area of concern in the playoffs. While it gets the job done I would feel much more comfortable playing rough, physical teams if we had studs up front capable of stuffing the run and getting a good push forward on a regular basis. Sadly what we have now is very inconsistent, only stiffens up at the goal-line, and often relies on the offense forcing opponents off the run. Will that be enough vs the Jets? I believe so. The multi-threat, quick hitting Colts offense is probably the closest thing you’ve played to the Chargers offense. That day Manning was on pace for a 260 yd game. And I think that is near where Rivers will finish against your defense: 20/32, 250 yds, 2 TD, 0 int. What is the Jets red zone efficiency? I think the game will be decided by the Charger goal line defense. Our offense will score, the question is will yours?
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by Bluelightning on Jan 13, 2010 4:16 AM EST up reply actions
I think we have a couple of main needs that we need to look at this year, I would be surprised if we targeted Aluala ourselves, I also personally think we need to bring in a receiver, so either Sanchez’s old favourite target Williams or Golden Tate from Notre Dame who I think can immediately start in the slot . Would be happy with Tate and Aluala in the first two rounds
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Odd stat
The Jets are 1-3 against 3-4 defenses this season (2 games against NE, 2 games against MIA). However, Sanchez has had good games in 3 out of those 4 matchups. Any idea what it means?
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My money would be on “nothing” since 4 games is a small sample you can’t really draw any conclusions from.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 11, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Lol. It means that he is an enigma wrapped in a riddle.
He no doubt has talent. But we still don’t know if he’s Joe Montana or Ryan Leaf.
The 2nd NE game was on him. 4 picks I believe, and one was a pick 6.
MIA had our number in the first game. We couldnt stop their power running game. Game 2 we gave up two kickoff returns for TDs.
Yer so although we are 1-3 in those games, only one of the losses were on the offense which is obviously where the 3-4 effects the game. So not sure there is much on that to be honest.
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One can be blamed on the offense by them giving up points, but in the rest it’s not like the offense put up a ton of points. 16 & 14 against New England, and I think the Chargers D is certainly better than the Patriots.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
and gave up 31 on the other occasion. What was the difference? Location? The Pats were a much better home team (8-0) than road team (2-6) this year.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
More like our QB completing a third of his passes to the other team, and one for a TD.
And i just remebered that they had Welker in the second game. They didnt have him in the first.
So you got me. Touche.
I for one, though, don't think theres much of a difference btw home and away.
You get a slight boost from the home crowd, and noise can be a factor. But for the most part home field doesnt decide outcomes.
Sanchez turning the ball over was the difference, that’s why we said that if Sanchez does the same this could be a very one sided game. We admitted to that straight off the bat
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hey guys how about the Chargers opponents had a 4.5 yd. rushing average. Now the #1 rushing team in the NFL is coming to town. Not to mention that Sanchez is hot right now. I think Rivera is probably staying up late every night this week.
by chrebetsthebet on Jan 11, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not like the Chargers haven’t faced good running attacks this season. I believe Cincinnati was the #1 rushing team before they played the Chargers, and the Cowboys were/are in the top 5 as well.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Has he typically played better at home this season? I know rookie QBs normally do.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not particularly actually, his worst game was the home one to Buffalo, he had bad days in New England and New Orleans, and another at home to Atlanta so I haven’t really noticed much of a difference. He has a good head on his shoulders, he is used to going into some pretty hostile stadiums while at USC.
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I don’t see how that helps. If anything, that causes more distractions.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Comfort level in the weather I think he was referring to
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'Cause it's really hard to handle 70º and mostly sunny.
Besides, our weather is WAY better than they have up in LA.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 11, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think Sanchez is from Mission Viejo
which makes him a bit closer to you geographically. Though having been to SD, LA and the OC multiple times, I can’t argue with you about the weather. Normally it’s another point in your favor…just not this week.
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Rrr... low 60s, drizzle.
WTF? I mean, it’s January, but I’m paying good money for this sunshine.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 13, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
- projected weather on Sunday
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 13, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
I'll take it
don’t think it’s been above freezing in NY since New Year’s.
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He proved he can play well on the road.
Like you said Dave, he just won a road playoff game in bad weather. Home/road won’t matter. What matters whether the Bolts can slow down our run-game and make Sanchez throw when you want him to rather than when we want him to.
he threw 15 passes.
Sanchez had a minimal at best impact on the game vs. the Bengals. I just feel that if the Chargers can get a lead and make Sanchez throw the ball 25+ times, we’re in good shape.
Disagree with this entirely, the fact that he didn’t turn the ball over means that he had a massive impact on the game. We lose when he turns the ball over, not turning it over means he has had a good impact, not turning the ball over, throwing for 180 yards and a TD, which should of been 240 with 2 TD’s it it wasn’t for Brick hands Braylon means he had a massive impact. QB’s don’t always have to have a Kurt Warner type throwing day to have a big impact.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 11, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Bummer of a standard. Good thing you guys got a defense.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 12, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
We're a running and defense team. Thats the Jets.
Besides, if he had just played bad instead of terrible in a few games this year, we would have won a couple more games.
That’s this years standard, should you have a higher one of a rookie QB starting straight out of college where he only started for one year though?. I think it’s a reasonable standard in his first year, and it will slowly rise over the next 2 years.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 12, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
By the way good effort guys with this this thread, 320 comments in a Q&A in around 48 hours is superb, I’m pretty sure that has shattered the record for one of these threads.
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Looking through the archives, it seems GGN is one of the very last teams to be up on SBnation, correct?
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I think we were the last SB Nation blog set up
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 12, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Jets in the red zone
Hey guys, Chargers fan here with a question that I hope hasn’t been asked/answered already! As you well know the Chargers have been somewhat known as a team with a defence that isn’t great against the run. My question is what are the jets like running the ball in the red zone and how does your QB Mark Sanchez perform in the red zone. Despite the gaudy ypc against the Bolts you’ll notice that we are a great defence inside the red zone, and have a tendency to try and force the pass inside our 10 especially. Thanks guys and here’s to a great game! Go Bolts!!!!
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I dont have the stats or rankings, but we've run the ball pretty well inside the RZ, I think.
IMO we run it maybe too much, where I think play-action would be a better call (especially on 2nd and goal); but all in all we’re pretty effective running.
I don’t think Sanchez has been good or bad really. He one terrible throw in New Orleans where he threw a pick 6 inside the RZ which sticks out in my mind, but other than that he hasnt made any other throws that I can recall good or bad. He does run pretty well and has scored a few TDs with his legs. I would like to see him use his legs more actually, but he’s been reluctant to of late because he got chewed out by Rex for not sliding.
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The Chargers (and Charger fans) should be the last team in the NFL to overlook any team in the playoffs. Lest we forget how an 8-8 team made the playoffs last year and beat the vaunted 12-4 COLTS. There is alot to be concerned about with the JETS (#1 rated Defense, #1 rated running attack, and a rookie QB whose been getting better since the coaches began simplifying his playbook); and there is much to be concerned about with the Chargers. Expect the Chargers to attack Revis when the play calls for height over seperation (corner routes, fades) or on quick slants and crossing patterns if he plays off. Look for the Chargers to run; not alot, but just enough to keep play-action alive. Though the yardage is not balanced, the Charger offensive play selection is. I would look for field position football (has Weatherford been cleared to play yet?). If the JETS have to cover alot of green when they have the ball the odds of a second or third and long, obviously, increase. While the Chargers average giving up 4.5 ypc that means there will be a number of 1,2,&3 yard gains. If(when?) those happen on first down, then Sanchez will have to step up (it doesn’t take the 2009 Jets defense to stop the 2009 Jets passing game) and that is when the Jet’s offese is vulnerable. Neither team beats themselves with penalties, and while the Chargers enjoyed a +12 Give/Take margin over the Jets, I think if we look at the last half of the season we will find the margin to be much closer (if not even). While I believe (and the numbers support it) the Jets have the best defense in 2009, I do not think the 09 Jets are the 85 bears or the 02 ravens, and consequently I think the Chargers should win the game. But, as they say, any given sunday. I really look forward to this game, and have really enjoyed these postings. This should be fun.
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I agreed with absolutely everything in that comment. Very well done. Next time you may want to consider using several paragraphs instead of one big one, though. I almost skipped right over it.
Weatherford was cleared to play yesterday.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 13, 2010 7:29 AM EST up reply actions
It’s the record for most comments on a question and answer, game threads get near 1,000 on occasions
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I have a question for both fan bases. Would you rather play Baltimore or Indy next week?
The colts have a better record, obviously, but they haven’t played a meaningful game in about a month. The ravens made Brady look like an inaccurate rookie last week. Thoughts?
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Indy
If Baltimore wins, that means the likely only upset for the weekend has already happened before the Jet game. If Indy wins, the Saints are ahead and Minnesota will likely win, so that leaves the Jets as the only upset. 2 upsets is a lot to ask for.
Ravens
similar type team, but if Flacco’s hurt this could be one game where we might have an edge at QB
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
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"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
Dallas is way over-rated and our D held the Saints O to 14 in New Orleans...
my confidence is growing and growing.
So what happened?
All week i heard about this high-octane offense with a god QB and 8’23" receivers. All week I heard about predictions from Football Outsiders and DVOAs. All week I heard about how the Bolts don’t turn it over or commit penalties.
So WTF happened?
by Crackback on Jan 17, 2010 10:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
But.... but..... um.... but.... I thought...... ummm
the DVOA’s!?! The Jets couldn’t win, they’re not allowed. The weighted DVOA’s! What the fuck? Malcolm Floyd is the best receiver in the game! Cromartie is as good as Revis! Buster Davis and Naanee will run wild! They are better then any WR on the Jets! Sproles! Sproles! Sproles! The DVOA! The Jets running attack isn’t good. Our weighted DVOAs and our 8 foot 16 wideouts! We couldn’t have lost! The special teams, Nate Kaeding! DVOA! Dahhhhhhhhh!
I just have one thing I want to tell all of you guys…..
Three home teams advance…. and the FUCKING NEW YORK JETS.
AND THE HOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE…… OF THEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, JETS!
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
by nrmax88 on Jan 17, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They committed penalties. Nobody knows why. They lost their heads. One turnover was bad, the other was kindof freakish.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Jan 19, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
the jets suck
they only won because the Chargers rested their players….
OH WAIT…
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!
Just stopping by
Sorry for being so absent from here. I spent the weekend in San Diego (I’m from Philly) and just got back in last night.
I feel bad for my arrogance on here. Obviously, for the first time in a few years, Rivers was a little freaked out by the Jets blitzes. Also, after a great start in the first half Gates was blanketed in the second half.
The two things the Chargers have been consistently great at this year has been composure and special teams. Outside of Scifres, the special teams was awful and 80% of the roster looked like they had never been to the playoffs before. It was an atrociously-played game, but they were forced into it by the Jets. NY punched SD in the mouth and the Chargers never really recovered.
Congrats. The Colts are essentially the same team as the Chargers, so your formula has just as good of a chance against them. Good luck.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
Thanks.
All we wanted was for you guys to give us a chance.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
And this team will do its best
to show the world that it wasn’t some SD choke job against a scrub team, that SD played hard and got beat by another good team.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
Can you blame us? That was the first time our offense didn’t look dominating since mid-October. We had a hard time believing it could be slowed down at all.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Jan 20, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
i am sorry
i worte on SD blog that they wouild win 35-14 i was wrong
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule reseident broncos fan for ap lol denver will rise again
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