Rex Ryan: Crabtree Alegations Are Ridiculous

by David_Wyatt on Sep 21, 2009 11:21 AM EDT Comment 17 comments

Rex Ryan while appearing on Mike and Mike in the morning laughed off allegations by the 49'ers that the Jets have been tampering with San Francisco's number one overall draft pick in 2009.

"We'll let the NFL figure that one out, I think it's ridiculous, personally."

Ryan went on to say that he wished the Jets were playing the 49'ers this season, the allegations that have been made against the Jets in the past, are obviously starting to annoy a few people. The Bronco's said that they were watching the Jets earlier this pre-season in regards to tampering with Brandon Marshall, and the Patriots also claimed that the Jets were tampering with Deion Branch in 2006.

First of all Jets fans, don't worry. Even if this is true, it's near impossible to prove. It's very possible that Eugene Parker, the Agent of Michael Crabtree went to the 49'ers and basically said that if you don't pay us, we have teams who are willing to. The 49'ers put two and two together and made five. The worst kept secret this off-season was the Jets looking for help at the receiver position.

The 49'ers are not in the driving seat here, they have until October the 20th to trade Michael Crabtree's rights, if they don't manage to do this then they have until November the 17th to sign him so that he can play this season, if they do not manage this then they would have until March to sign him for the 2010 season. If on the first say of the draft he is still un-signed then any team is free to draft him and the 49'ers will get no compensation.

It's interesting to note that the 49'ers themselves were found guilty of tampering with Chicago Bears linebacker Lance Briggs in 2007 and were forced to forfeit their fifth round selection in the 2008 draft. So if a team knows about tampering then it's the San Francisco 49'ers.

Edit- I have been looking for some confirmation on the exact dates for any Crabtree trade, and found that Froch was indeed correct. The 49'ers can not trade Crabtree's rights until March the fith, and if they have not signed him or traded him by the first day of the draft, then they forfeit the rights to his rights and he goes into the 2010 draft like everyone else.

I would be very surprised if anything came of this.

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Correction

Hey, this is Fooch from Niners Nation. I want to submit a correction to the original NY Daily News article. The 49ers cannot trade Michael Crabtree’s rights at this point until March 1.

by Fooch on Sep 21, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey Froch

This is something that I’m really confused about. ESPN seemed to think they could trade his rights within there article, and Adam Schefter tweeted that they couldn’t, then someone on ESPN this morning also said that the rights could be traded up until October 20th. So personally I’m a little stumped right now.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 21, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

trading rights

I can guarantee the team can’t trade his rights until March 1. The original article had incorrect info and it looks like ESPN basically just posted the AP article with incorrect info.

by Fooch on Sep 21, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It certainly changes the way of thinking then. I don’t think too many fans were thrilled with this anyway, and I have yet to speak to any Jet fan today that really wants Crabtree on the team, especially with the talent pool at WR that is expected in next years draft.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 21, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

re:

Oct. 20 is the regular NFL tradeline.

But Aug. 14 was the deadline to trade the rights of unsigned rookies.

We 9er fans had experienced the confusion earlier. Matt Maiocco of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat finally did the legwork & published the info for reference. He just tweeted the link again a few hours ago: http://tinyurl.com/nn3cug

@Fooch. Most of our own community got this wrong too but some sources, inc. Maiocco above, cited next year’s free agency & trading periods to begin on March 5 (not March 1).

by Moxie on Sep 21, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was before aug 14

the jets management was interested in crabtree BEFORE aug 14. that was before the jets were 2-0.

the jets need a big wr and the tampering charge will show that it occured BEFORE Aug 14, the deadline to trade the rights of unsigned rookies.

so next’s year talent pool had nothing to do with it, david wyatt. it has nothing to do with how you think jets fans think NOW.

or don’t you still get it, david wyatt?

HINT: BEFORE is the keyword

by Taz999 on Sep 21, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I get it

just have not seen anything confirming that it was before August 14th, although that makes more sense, didn’t see any sources, and people I have talked to did not mention anything about it.

Been busy today, so really haven’t looked back on the issue since this morning.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 21, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hope this helps

The Niners, like Fooch said, are not eligible to trade the rights to Crabtree until the draft next year. However, if they sign him before the Nov deadline, I think they can still trade him to another team during this season where he would be eligible to play. So, they could trade Crabtree, but they would have to sign him first.

by Blank x2 on Sep 22, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sign and trades are not allowed either

The only options for the niners are to sign and keep him. or trade his rights in march.

by shulkdog on Sep 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Yup. Crabtree can play only for SF this season, if he signs a deal by Nov 17.

The next trading period is a 7-week window between next March & draft day.

A couple more complications. Firstly, I haven’t seen a second media source confirming this but according to Jason La Canfora, the ex-Washington Post beat reporter who now writes for ESPN, “he couldn’t actually sign with that new team [who trades for his rights] until the day of the draft, as per the CBA…” (as opposed to a sign-&-trade). http://tinyurl.com/q6553a

Secondly, La Canfora also reminded that the rookie pool allocations won’t be announced till post-draft (usually the first week of May). Apparently, the league retains the right to implement them even in an upcapped year. So Crabtree’s inflated cap number must still fit into the Jets’s allocation, so good luck to budgeting for a sign-&-trade prior.

by Moxie on Sep 22, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Confirmation by Andrew Brandt (National Football Post) that whoever trades for Crabtree’s rights WILL NOT receive a separate allocation of 2010 rookie pool money to accommodate any finalized contract: http://tinyurl.com/yehr56q

by Moxie on Sep 25, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I heard...

that the ability to trade the rights to unsigned draft picks expired in the middle of August… Not sure where or who, but the info was in an article specifically about Crabtree.

And for the record, the Jets dont want Crabtree. I dont think a player who is willing to cut one year off of his career over a few million is thinking straight. Also, I dont see how Crabtree goes any higher in the next draft for the following reasons:

1. Will he still be in football shape? No one has seen him play in almost a year.
2. He is a known risk – who’s to say he will sign the second time around? I wouldnt bet a 1st rounder on this after what just happened to 49ers.
3. There are more WRs to compete with who are going to be a year younger, and, without the baggage.
4. He will be a disruption to the locker room.

I think if the Jets had shown any interest in him, then it means they were cold-calling from the phonebook.

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by NC_Scott on Sep 21, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

you've got it all wrong

the jets need a big wr and the tampering charge will show that it occured BEFORE Aug 14, the deadline to trade the rights of unsigned rookies.

it was all about this year and getting that big wr for sanchez to throw to…“so your jets don’t want crabtree” concept just doesn’t wash…and that makes your 1-2-3-4 scenarios irrelavant.

the niners know about tampering. the nfl penalized the niners from a single phone call entry to the player’s agent. that’s all it took to prove tampering.

by Taz999 on Sep 21, 2009 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Rex Ryan: Crabtree Alegations Are Ridiculous - Wish we were playing the 49er's

Sounds like a challenge Rex Ryan? Want to do a manu-e-manu with Mike Sing? Sing wins by TKO 10 seconds in the 1st round everytime. I’ll even pay for your 1st class roundtrip ticket to SF and back to NYC if you DARE to. You’ll come home and change your name to Rex “is” Crying.

by Taz999 on Sep 21, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Where there's smoke?

I think tampering is rampant throughout the league, but at a certain point, you have to wonder why the Jets continue to be whispered about with tampering charges. Sure they are in obvious need of a big play receiver, but so are the Jaguars, Bears, etc. and you never hear about them. I’d be curious to know what info the Niners are basing this complaint on, but we probably never will. The league needs to figure out a way to make the process more transparent to do away w/ this sort of thing as well as the crazy complicated contracts that somehow get negotiated between 12AM and 12:01 AM on free agency day. To formally accuse someone of tampering is a serious thing, so I believe the evidence should be made public and if the info is baseless, the punishment for the 49ers should be as severe as if the Jets were found to be tampering.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 21, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure it will

be as severe if we are found and rightfully so, but lets not lose perspective here, the Bronco’s never filed chargers against the Jets, so that seems to suggest they had no evidence what so ever, and the Deion Branch situation was investigated and the league came to the conclusion that there were no violations. So while I agree with the principle of there being no smoke without fire, it’s not like we are getting done for it year after year.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 21, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Committing a crime and getting caught are two different things. Tampering happens all of the time, but rarely is caught unless an organization is stupid. I’m not suggesting the Jets are alone, just that the league either needs to figure out how to really stop it, or they need to stop pretending it doesn’t happen. For the record, unless the tampering was this summer, this story makes no sense.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 23, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs