Sanchez ruled OUT for this weekend's game, Clemens to start
by Matt Birch on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM EST
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FLORHAM PARK, N.J. (AP) -Mark Sanchez will sit out the New York Jets' game at Tampa Bay because of a sprained right knee. Kellen Clemens will start in his place.
Coach Rex Ryan says he made the decision to have Sanchez not play after seeking the advice of team doctors. Ryan says Sanchez was upset by the decision, but the coach says it was in the rookie quarterback's best interest, as well as the team's.
Sanchez sprained the posterior cruciate ligament in the knee while diving for a first down in the third quarter of the Jets' 19-13 win against Buffalo last Thursday in Toronto. He had started every game this season.
Clemens will make his ninth NFL start Sunday, and first since 2007.
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This is the best decision.
for sanchez’s health.But it still leaves me worrisome. Clemens is bad, honestly bad. No pocket Presence at all. If he struggles and we can’t move it in the first half. Put in Ainge, now I know that sounds crazy. But Ainge played very well in the preseason (albeit against 3rd and 4th stringers) and he doesn’t throw a great ball. But he doens’t turn the ball over nearly as much as Kellen. Remember there was a qb controversy for the second qb spot.
We can’t show loyalty to Clemens if we struggle to the Bucs its win or go home right now.
Maybe alternate QB's?
1st half Clemens, 2nd half Ainge? I have no faith in Clemens.
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Neither do I. But Ainge is worse unfortunately. Clemens is the lesser of two evils if you will.
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I can't agree with that completely.
Clemens has more talent. But Ainge played well in Preseason and actually has a bit of Pocket Presence. Clemens is just bad.
Run the ball
Tampa is #31 vs the run, Jets are #1 at running the ball
Thomas Jones, Shonn Greene and Danny Woodhead all day. And maybe even some Brad Smith on seminole formations. Plus some end-arounds with David Clowney.
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They’re going to see this coming. Part of Sanchez’s upside was having a game manager that could actually complete passing downs.
Absolutely terrible news, part of me says good for looking out for the kids health, another part thinks that we are being too over protective. Needless to say the confidence on winning the game on Sunday just went from around 75% to 50%. Clemens is bad, Ainge is worse, let’s hope we can run the ball against a bad run defence.
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25% change because Sanchez is out.
Right now Sanchez is a below average quarterback. Clemens and Ainge are worse but we know we’ll be able to run and Schotty will really scale down the playbook for Clemens. I’d feel less uncomfortable with Ainge. I’ve learned never to judge a players ability until they play a game. Ainge hasn’t had that luxury. For example who wouldve though Tom Brady the 199th pick in the draft would be a hall of famer.
absolutely 25% less, because Sanchez has the ability to hit those pin-point passes, even if he doesn’t always do it. Clemens looked very uncomfortable back their, if Tampa get to him early then he is going to be looking every which way, speeding up the reads, and regardless of how good the run is, you are going to have to throw the ball at least a little bit, I’m not sure Clemens can move this offence. Ainge I have absolutely no faith in, true he hasn’t gotten into a game and their is a very good reason for that, he just isn’t very good. He wasn’t bad in pre-season but against 4th stringers, he throws a horrible ball. If Ainge was in their it would go down to 30%.
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That ought to be the season
If the coaching staff says Clemens is better than Ainge I have to believe them, I fail to see why they would self-destruct if they had a promising number 3.
But this is just awful. The season riding on this game with a semi-realistic shot at the playoffs and we’re opting to rest the starting QB? I hope he really is the future of the franchise, because they’re giving this season away.
Absolutely no faith in the team with Clemens under center. Sorry.
I’d just like to add that we have the pieces to beat Tampa without ever throwing anything more than screens. All we need is a QB that holds on to the ball and makes sound decision. I firmly believe Clemens cannot do either. Hopefully I’ll eat my words.
Sanchez is apparently furious, he asked Rex to let him practise tomorrow because he felt he could and Rex said no because if he practised tomorrow then he would play on Sunday…..personally I don’t understand that, if he practises fully and without limitation at full speed then he should be playing.
I’m agreeing with you Bro, this is a risk by Rex and if we lose on Sunday he will and probably should catch some heat for it. I would at least let the guy practise tomorrow and see how he is, keep a close eye on them. He said himself that nothing has gone wrong since the initial MRI, and he said at the time he was confident Sanchez would play. So what’s happened in between? it’s not like Sanchez has practised and takena step back, this is confusing in my mind.
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Sanchez should be furious with himself.
As much as you can argue about his competitive spirit, Rex was trying to stress out the importance of sliding, and plain and simple Mark didn’t slide and got injured.
I think if we just play a good game and let Tampa Bay implode, we will win. No offense to Bucs fans, but there’s a reason they’ve only won one game. As long as we don’t turn over the ball and commit penalties, we should be okay.
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I certainly hope your right, and although it’s my nature to stay positive, I can’t help fearing the worst with the Jets. Maybe Clemens will be better, after all he has had more time to repair, he will get a lot of reps with the first team. Throwing him in during the 3rd won’t be the same as starting him. I have little doubt that he works his socks off, and he knows this play-book like the back of hus hand but until you get some work with the 1’s your not going to do much, especially a guy like Clemens.
Let’s hope he is much improved
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Having a QB like Clemens under center is what gives teams like Tampa a second win. Freeman under center for Tampa undoubtedly beats Clemens in a shootout. At least based off of the kid’s play so far this year, Tampa has improved a great deal and the kid is no slouch.
If all goes well we will beat them running. Burn clock and chew yards. Otherwise I think Tampa has the ability to show up and compete.
its his own damn fault for not listening to Giradi...
who by the way took time out of his day to come and fucking school Sanchez on how to slide in the NFL…
Sanchez Sitting
As I read the threads throughout the week, there was a clear majority that thought S should sit. Now that decision i smade, seems to be the other way.
If the Jets can’t beat 1-11 Bucs without Sanchez, even with top running game and one of top defenses in league, they won’t get into playoffs anyway. Would be ridiculous after all the meshugan about running for a first down and getting hurt to put him back into a game when he clearly is hurt.
Isn’t Ryan’s philosphy about running the ball and letting the defense win games? He wants the QB to manage the game and not make any turnovers. Clemens looked lost back week but in his defense that was the first snap he took since the preseason. So i’m sure with a full week to prepare he will be more comfortable. I agree with Ryan’s decision. What if Sanchez got hurt on Sunday and we lost or we won? We would still be without him.
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Kellen Clemens Is Gonna Be Owed Some Apologies After This Game
I think he is gonna surprise some people. No he is not going to be Drew Brees, but he will do fine. As a Jet fan of course I hope he does well, but I would like for Kellen to have good game because he has been through a lot. He seems like a real decent guy, and he just never seems to get a chance.
I think every Jets fan hopes he does well, it would make no sense for us not to hope he will, but their is nothing wrong with just asking questions of his ability, especially from a guy who hasn’t really shown anything. He seems like a fantastic guy so sure everyone will be happy for him.
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Did you even see those fleeting minutes where Clemens played last week? He is owed no apologies if he shows up, just a chance to stay on the roster.
Dont base Clemens on the Buffalo Game
The coaches told him to hand off and take sacks. The guy even said today that up until this week he has never even thrown a pass to Edwards, so a little rust is gonna be there. Clemens wont be allowed to do much Sunday either. The last thing the Jets want is a QB controversy.
They told him to take sacks? I’m sure they said keep the clock moving but he had time to find receivers and he didn’t. Not basing it on that game but really the last three years he has had, I hope he does well, I believe he has some talent, but not sure how his confidence is ahead of the game.
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According to the post game show, he was told to just take a sack..
unless somebody was wide open. I never was a Clemens guy either but lets face reality, the only chance he ever got was behind a garbage line. He got beat out in camp by Chad Pennington, not Seneca Wallace. And of course he wasnt going to start with number 4 there last year. As far as being beat out by Sanchez, I think it was always Sanchez job to lose from the beginning. I wonder who handles the ball for the field goal attempts sunday.
That’s very true and you make some good points, but also let’s not kid ourselves he looked bad fighting with Pennington and he looked bad this off-season. Granted I agree that the job was Sanchez’s to lose but at the same time regardless of that he got beat out anyway, he was completely outperformed in the pre-season, not only by Sanchez but by Ainge as well, and perhaps Pennington is not Wallace but Ainge is pretty close. Anyway let’s see how he does, hopefully he proves us doubters wrong and performs well.
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Yeah.
Clemens has definately seen some hardship with his years as a Jet. I think another score by our defense would really help this week. We just can’t turn the ball over alot.
Revis.
This is where the Great one’s make plays. Freeman is a rookie he is going to turnover the ball if you get him rattled. Alot of shorter routes for Clemens. Schotty has to make sure he calls a conservative game on Sunday. Need to wear the Bucs down on defense. and not give them a short field. Honestly we’re screwed in the tiebreaker, but Im going to root for Jacksonville over Miami since they have New England and Indi on their schedule still.
Why isn't Rex letting him travel with the team though?
Thats just ridiculous. He needs to be allowed to lead. He didnt need to be knee-capped like this.
He’s gonna stay and get treatment. There’s not much rehabbing he can do, especially on gameday if he travels with them.
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If Rex said that he if he practised today he would probably play on Sunday I really don’t see how he needs all this time for treatment. They take all the doctors/physicians with them, he can get treatment on game day in the hotel. I really think it would be beneficial to have him on the sideline watching a game, hearing the calls and seeing how everyone lines up etc
Starting to think this is as much a punishment on Mark for not sliding lol
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I interpreted that differently.
Obviously, it’s possible that it’s a punishment and they just don’t want to admit it publicly. But the “if you practice you will play” thing sounded like a compliment for Mark that if he takes reps he will obviously be so much better than Kellen.
I think Rex just wanted the team to have clarity on who was gonna be the QB for Sunday, and since Mark was definitely not 100%, he decided to just let Kellen be familiar with the first team.
I’m sure if it’s a punishment thing, the coaching staff would still be smart enough (I hope) to realize that he still can learn on the sidelines. I just really think not travelling is more of a health concern.
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I don't know...
Up until the announcement yesterday Rex was “optimistic” that Sanchez would play on Sunday. If he was basically immobile, then yeah, stay home and get treatment. But if is physically able to play but is sitting for precationary reasons, then its silly to prevent him from making the trip.
I think Rex is undermining Sanchez’s leadership and is preventing him from an excellent learning opportunity for no good reason. If he’s so concerned about the team’s long term future, Sanchez would be in Tampa learning from the sideline and cheering on his teammates.
I'm thinking the injury might be somewhat worse than they are letting on publicly
That’s really the only explanation that seems to fit what we’ve seen so far out of the situation. It’s a bit disconcerting, that’s for sure.
The only problem with that is, people have said that Mark is moving around fine and knowing what a PCL injury is like it would be very hard for it to be worse than what it is. Also it was obvious from Mark Sanchez’s press conference that he was mad as hell about not playing, I really don’t think it is worse. It’s actually really puzzling IMO, but will support Clemens 100% and if we lose then I guess we will just have to accept it, but I guarantee questions will be asked of Rex if we do.
Agree about not taking him, crazy IMO, it’s not like he has trouble walking or anything lol
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One thing I'll say
We’ll really get to see what the remaining players have in terms of skill and heart. No Jenkins, no washington, no sanchez and god only knows which of our defensive backs we’ll have on Sunday. No more excuses can be made for those playing poorly or against those playing well.
I'd rather play one week with Clemens under center
then risk Sanchez going in and further injuring his knee. A strain isn’t bad, he can probably play next week. We have the pieces to win even with Clemens calling the shots, and ultimately I don’t mind missing the playoffs this year if Sanchez stays healthy and gets us there next year.
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by blueandorange4life on Dec 10, 2009 1:17 AM EST reply actions
I don’t mind missing the playoffs this year if Sanchez stays
I’m sure that’s how Woody Johnson sees it, too. It would be kind of contradictory to what Rex has been saying all year though, that we can get to the playoffs with a rookie QB.
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I don't think that Rex is wrong
I just don’t want to risk Sanchez aggravating the knee. If we’re going to give him the keys to the franchise we should keep him safe, not that we couldn’t do it if he was healthy
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by blueandorange4life on Dec 10, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Really starting Clemens in Tampa is not that big of a deal. Tampa sucks , the JEt D has been playing lights out the last two games giving up 19 points over two games. Really he just has to manage the game. If the Jet running games is up to par as it’s been Clemens will only throw the ball between 13-18 times all game and the Jets should grind out a win on the road. As long as Clemens doesn’t make stupid mistakes.
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Simple question for everyone?
What do we do if Clemens comes in and is perfect, moves the offence nicely, doesn’t turn it over, looks composed, hits his targets etc then the next game Sanchez starts off slow, do we turn it over to Clemens quickly before things get out of hand or stick with the rookie? just thinking out loud here
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You are indeed an eternal optimist.
That’s not happening. Let’s just see if Clemens can actually attempt 10 passes without running backwards, sideways and basically tripping all over himself, and allowing himself to get sacked as he did in Buffalo. That was a truly inept performance. It was like he was afraid to throw the ball on his drop backs. If he has to attempt more than 20 passes, this will probably be a loss.
by Mackey Sasser on Dec 10, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
If Clemens goes for 300+ and has 2+ TDs and no picks, he earns another start.
Anything short of that, back to Sanchez (assuming he’s healthy).
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