Rex 'Sanchez Is Our Knucklehead'
by David_Wyatt on Dec 4, 2009 5:28 AM EST
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PrintUpdate (9:30am): Sanchez Has Sprained PCL
Adam Schefter reports that if Sanchez can stand the pain he will be able to play against the Bucs.
I'm not sure what the rest of you were thinking last night as Sanchez dived head first between two Bills players, smashed his knee on the ground and two plays later left the game visibly shaken.
Knucklehead was pretty close for me.
"I love the kid, but he's got to grow up and understand he represents our entire organization," Ryan said. "We want what's best for him."
"He's probably calling him a knucklehead or something like that," he said. "He's our knucklehead and we love him."
A few weeks ago, several members here were showing their frustration that through all the struggles Sanchez was seemingly still making the same mistakes. Personally I think it is harder to correct the forcing the ball mistakes than it is the sliding one.
This week Joe Giradi, manager of the 2009 World Series winning Yankee team came to advise Mark on the best way to slide to avoid injury, and we were told how quickly he picked it up, and how confident he now was. Game time came around and we were left scratching our head, did Sanchez just forget everything he was taught? was it just instinct taking over.
However for the first time, Rex was notably irritated by Sanchez's lack of learning, and who can blame him, he represents our best chance to win and after a week of being told not to do something, he goes out and does it anyway. Very frustrating.
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you dive for first downs on third down, you slide on other downs or if you’re short of the marker or already have it
Not according to Rex you don’t, he was very upset/angry that he didn’t slide instead of diving. One first down or possibly losing Sanchez for an extended period of time…..which would you choose? I agree with Rex here, overall recognition, needs to trump the short term initial goal.
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I still think the Dive is safer then the Slide when your playing on some horrible astroturf. On the bright side at least we’re only playing the Bucs next week so we shouldn’t need to pass that much.
It will be interesting to see if the Depth chart changes going into the game. I hope not because even after last nights play, I still think Clemens is miles ahead of Ainge. I wonder if he might get O’Connel into the mix though.
"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."
I like Clemens, but I was very disappointed.
That one completion to Cotchery looked very nice though.
But he definitely looked lost out there.
and the home of the... JETS!!!
I really just think that Sanchez will make that start, when he was walking off, he didn’t seem too bad at all, a couple of days off now before he has to do anything and will be fine I’m sure.
Clemens did look lost out there though, no pocket awareness at all, was worrying for his future in football let alone our season lol
I agree with WB though, Ainge would be a disaster in an NFL game IMO from what I have seen of him.
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Clemens looks like a rock in the pocket
Like he has no idea what the Defense is bringing.That throw on 3rd down was nice though
DO WHAT JOSE REYES DO!!!
by Jadden Hopkins on Dec 4, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
God I know
Clemens is horrible. I was yelling at the TV the whole time he was in. The guy doesn’t know what the hell is going on. He’s terrible.
No problems at all with the head first dive. If he slides, he doesnt get the first and its a punt. Sanchez has also been working on sliding on his off leg which is a bit unnatural and takes a bit to get used to. Lastly, you can’t play scared, and that’s one thing Mark has got, big mexican cojones. He just has to learn that there are times where discretion is the better part of valor. This was not one of them.
What was most disappointing was that he was playing pretty well...
I didnt like the throw to Edwards that he muscled in for a TD but things seemed to be going for Sanchez last nite. He needed that, i think. He badly missed a TD throw (to Cotchery?), but he was making some nice throws and converting some 3rd downs and was having a decent game for the most part. If Edwards doesnt doink that 80 yarder, the game is a rout.
I had no problem with the dive in that spot. It was 3rd and 7 and he broke containment. By the time he realized that the first down was there the defense converged on him. I think he made the right play and didnt take much of a hit. It was a freak injury that wasnt caused by contact from the defenders. Whose to say he wouldnt have gotten injured if he slid anyway?
As for Clemens, he was in a bad spot. He has had no reps (practice or games)all season, and was thrusts into a situation where ur team has the lead, ur running the ball great, and the defense is playing lights out. He did what he was supposed to do and didnt turn it over. He came close twice but didnt. I don’t think there will be much of a drop off in the coming week(s), but there won’t be as much of the upside we have with Sanchez either.
i agree with this point – if he had slid, his head would have been where the two guys converged. but it’s hard to know that going into the slide.
I think Rex is making a big deal because it’s easier to tell the kid to never go head first than to say ‘use your discretion’ since so far every time he’s used his discretion it’s been head first. I think if Sanchez had done two previous slide then done this one head first Rex would have been fine with it, it’s just a matter of whether he thinks it was a decision or a relapse to previous form.
From my point of view it came as the hit his right knee took going down on the dive and wasn’t so much about the hit but the impact he took on the right knee. So you wouldn’t get a head on collision on the right knee sliding like he did diving.
Otherwise I agree that he was having a pretty good night
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A brilliant point was made on another post...
The argument could be made that the Dive won the game.
We were deep in our own territory at the time. And ultimately got 3 pts on the drive. U can make the argument that if Mark doesnt dive, then we punt. Take an imaginary 3 pts off our score (now its 16-13). Bills get the ball in positive territory, and generate a first down and ultimately kick a FG. Give them an imaginary 3 pts (now its 16-16). If that scenario plays out, we’re in overtime folks, and i for one have no doubt we lose that game if we go into OT.
Maybe we should be thanking Sanchez for his heady, gutsy play that very well could have saved the game.
Good point but...
If he didn’t dive and get injured, he would be there late in the game.
Okay, they punt, but we all seem to agree things were starting to click with the offense.
So maybe the next drive we get a TD.
I just think after all the attention about sliding this week, he should have been more careful.
He should have been thinking, “Let’s show these guys that I can slide.”
But he is a rookie and he will learn.
He definitely showed improvement by throwing the ball away instead of risking the INT.
I hope the MRI results come out fine, and we win the rest of the way.
and the home of the... JETS!!!
Good point, I don’t think we can start going into what if’s because they could go on for ever. I agree with you, after catching some stick, and having the manager bring in special help to try and enforce the message of sliding, there is something that should of gone off in his head telling him to slide. It’s worrying to me that he didn’t, and his leg ‘injuries’ are starting to worry me even more.
If worst comes to worst and he can’t play through the pain and he is shut down for the year, I personally don’t think this will happen, but some I have spoke to think it might, then just how bad is that dive going to look
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I really don't think the slide was there...
I think in the circumstances, breaking containment with the defenders closing quickly from each side and the fisrt down to be had, the dive was the right play. And it did seem like he was trying to minimize the contact, which he did. He could have just as easily wrenched the knee by sliding. I think the ultimate point is that he not seek out contact head first. And i think he accomplished that. I don’t think his admonishment is deserved. I think Rex’s outburst was more a result of his ego being bruised by his not sliding, with his bringing in Gerardi and all. He would rather him slide, even though its the wrong play, then look like a jackass. Rex should have backed the kid yesterday. He had ample opportunity to sound off on far worse decisions in the past and refused to do so. Yesterday the kid got bashed for making the right play. I think its time for Rex to face the music.
Yesterday was the first time i saw him make improvements in his decision making across the board. I hope he doesnt sit for more than one game bc its definitely something he can build on.
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Yes, it’s terrible to lose your QB.
I think he’s a bright guy that saw an opening and knew that was it, that the season rested on that first down. So he dove head first to get it. If there was ever a place for you to put your body on the line, is it not a division game that is a must-win, specifically on a must-convert situation?
I won’t say he did the right thing but if he slid a yard or two short and we lost the game people would be livid.
Sanchez
I can understand Rex worrying about Mark getting injured, but, at the same time Rex has to understand that if a player plays not to get hurt, he most certainly will. Mark made the right decision going for the first down in a divisional game. Rex can not make Mark play scared, or, his career will be over, before it even begins.
by DARI on Dec 4, 2009 9:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agree 100% DARI
Here in Detroit Stafford has shown some real guts putting his head down and going for first downs. Yes he has been banged up, but your QB needs to be a leader out there. We can’t all have Peyton Mannings who fall down whenever he thinks he is going to get sacked. Which is not very often.
Sanchez was trying to keep an important drive alive in a game your team had to win. A slide in that spot would have been embarrassing.
I agree. He has to get the first down there and obviously there was no way he could have slid there with Posluzny and the other defender bearing down on him. It was just a fluky thing that he banged his knee hard enought to affect his PCL. If he didn’t hurt his knee no one would be talking about him not sliding everyone would be saying,“Well he did what he had to, to get the first down.”
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