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by John B on Dec 20, 2009 4:02 PM EST
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And I don't mean greatest of all time. There's plenty of blame to go around in this loss. Nobody deserves more than the kicker. Realistic Playoff dreams died today. The game would have never been in doubt had Jay Feely done his job.
You know what else? This team doesn't deserve to go to the Playoffs. A Playoff team doesn't keep having losses like this. This has been the story of the season. Another opportunity to win squandered.
And now a trip to Indianapolis comes. Wonderful.
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We were pretty much given a gift wrapped opportunity today, should of been out of sight but a combination of stupid penalties, obviously Feely and Sanchez have killed us. Absolutely ridiculous really.
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by David_Wyatt on Dec 20, 2009 4:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fuck this shit
seriously, so incredibly disappointing.
I swear, the Ravens had better get the wild card. Thankfully Miami lost but if they somehow manage to get it I think I will give up on football forever
by Exystence on Dec 20, 2009 4:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s what makes it even worse, Jaguars lost, Miami lost and now if the Ravens lose (Although they are up by 7 early) it will be such a wasted opportunity
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by David_Wyatt on Dec 20, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
^ agree
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by Matt Birch on Dec 20, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Props to you for even writing this. I’m too irate right now.
The door was opened for us with the other WildCard teams losing, and we f*cking shut it.
Between this game and the MIA game F*CK our special teams unit. Fire Westhoff’s ass.
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by Matt Birch on Dec 20, 2009 4:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can't blame Westoff.
He didn’t drop a snap. He didn’t miss a kick that was under 40 yards. He didn’t have multiple high snaps or kick it high enough. Too many opportunities. Defense once again can’t get a stop when it really counts. Revis played a great game but he could of iced it with an int. Agree totally with John B. playoff teams don’t make these mistakes. Honestly, we would need a full out miracle to make the playoffs now. Division race is officially over now.
by Jerrad p on Dec 20, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How many games have we lost on the final drive this year?
Even being a jets fan, this shit is so F*cking disheartening.
- defense in the NFL, yet we cant get a stop when we really need it.
Granted, the defense was phenomenal today until the last drive and its the special teams that killed us. But another game lost on the final drive nonetheless. One play away…
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by Matt Birch on Dec 20, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that should say “#1 defense in NFL”. typo.
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by Matt Birch on Dec 20, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*# 1 Defense in the NFL
*When the clock is not inside two minutes
DO WHAT JOSE REYES DO!!!
by Jadden Hopkins on Dec 20, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's bullshit
You can’t blame the defense for this loss at all. They were bound to give up points eventually, it just came at the worst time. They gave up ten points all game, this “when it counts” is bullshit, the offense should have scored more than ten all day.
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by Evan_S on Dec 20, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask any defensive guy, what the most important time for a stop is
If this was baseball, the Jets defense is more like Brad Lidge in the ninth than Mo Rivera. Both have had nice careers but Lidge is garbage under pressure, just like our Jets d with the game on the line. The Falcons became Albert Pujols on that last drive.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That baseball analogy is worthless in your argument.
In baseball where the numbers in clutch situation are clearly defined and you’ll see that almost any player you look at has similar numbers in clutch situations as they do in low pressure situations. For instance, Mariano isn’t better under pressure than Lidge, he his just better. Even Jeter who is famous for coming through in the clutch isn’t any better in those situations, he is the same, which just happens to be excellent. For instance, his career OPS in the regular season is .847, in the postseason .863 and with RISP is .832. The difference between those numbers is negligible. Despite the popular belief clutch is not a repeatable skill, in any sport.
The inevitable happened at the worst time for the Jets so it seems bad. If they had given up the touchdown in the 3rd quarter, no one would be saying anything right now. The Falcons called the right play and found a hole in the zone, it happens and it’s not the defense’s fault it happened on the last drive.
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by Evan_S on Dec 20, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay the Jets D was Mo 2001 Game 7
Mo is the best but he like the Jets D today, blew the game. You can take all your stats and put them in the garbage. Number 1 ranked defense forgets to cover the best TE off all time, and they knew before hand thats where the ball was going. That is inexcusable. Lets end all this great defense talk, look at who they have beat of late, terrible teams. Stop drinking the kool aid, this d has cost us 3 games now. Great D’s dont cost you 3 games in a season.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jay Feely = Mike Nugent
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by Matt Birch on Dec 20, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So not true
Nugent is the worst kicker the Jets ever had.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You never saw Toni Linhart
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by StorkFan on Dec 20, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I consider Nugent the worst
not just because of his performance but where we drafted him.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Feely yes
But arguably we would have won if Clemens was not on the roster.
I think while we have a complete team, trade rhodes and gholston for a player or draft package. Jettison all of our QB’s and get a vet like Leftwich and a lower round draft prospect. Let them battle it out because their worst will more than likely be better than this. I know it’s fast but Sanchez is NOT the guy for us, but I believe Rex is. Use high round picks to draft defense defense and more defense! Use the altered salary cap atmosphere to sign whatever big name in free agency, and you have a superbowl team.
We don’t even need a good QB with this team. We need one that makes smart decisions and doesn’t turn it over.
I am not jumping the gun. This team is so talented and it’s stupid to waste any more time on these quarterbacks. don’t even finish the year with Feely on the roster, cut him loose.
by Bro Namath on Dec 20, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure you could get a sack of game used footballs for Gholston.
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by John B on Dec 20, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
5 of our 7 losses have come on the opponents final drive….wow, we have a great defence, who doesn’t know how to finish, a QB who can’t protect the ball, and special teams unit’s who run hot & cold, that’s why we are not going to the play-offs this year.
Nobody is taking Gholston with the amount of guaranteed money we gave him
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by David_Wyatt on Dec 20, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not that I want to defend the defense, but when you give up 10 points, it should never come down to the last drive.
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by John B on Dec 20, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Too true, but 5 of the 7 losses coming down to the last possession, we need to learn to close out the game
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by David_Wyatt on Dec 20, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Best 58 minute defense in football
The Jets define why stats mean nothing. #1 ranked defense? What a joke. They cant get to QBs and they never create TOs or score off of them. Can Revis or any otther defender catch anything. All world or not, Revis drops picks almost every game.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never gonna get it, Never gonna get it, Never gonna get it
Defense breaks down at last minute, Missed field goals, Bad snaps, Interceptions, sucky play calling, Twinkle toes running plays, blown coverage….Defense breaks down at last minute, Missed field goals, Bad snaps, Interceptions, sucky play calling, Twinkle toes running plays, blown coverage….Defense breaks down at last minute, Missed field goals, Bad snaps, Interceptions, sucky play calling, Twinkle toes running plays, blown coverage….
Did I mention Defense breaks down at last minute, Missed field goals, Bad snaps, Interceptions, sucky play calling, Twinkle toes running plays, blown coverage….
So Mote It Be!
by TonyG68 on Dec 20, 2009 4:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You guys are nuts
Even Rex said it was bad snaps and holds. I was cursing Feely at first but it really wasnt his fault. You want to place blame, how about the defense. I dont care how great they played, how do u leave TG wide open? The worst part is they knew the ball was going to TG, and they let him win the game. Yeah what a special D. I feel like Im watching the Raiders with all these dumb penalties too.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah it was either Kellen or Jay. Both should be fired.
GD it, why is Kellen Clemens on this team or even in the NFL for that matter?
Thomas Jones runs this league
by FlyNYJ on Dec 20, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya on that. All of us here were talking at the commercial break how you knew they were going to gonzalez.
And sure enough…..
The worst part about is the large window we let him give Ryan to throw the ball into. Four guys around him and no one can deny the ball.
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by Matt Birch on Dec 20, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t agree. Feely’s job is to kick it through the posts. He’s a heavily compensated professional. He’s not always going to get a perfect snap/hold.
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by John B on Dec 20, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously. At least make an adjustment and sneak ONE of them through the uprights.
All of them were inside of 40 yards. He didn’t have to put much leg strength behind the kicks.
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by Matt Birch on Dec 20, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How can he kick it through, when the ball is snapped high, or KC cant handle it?
Go back and watch, Feely wasnt the problem. Lets also take into account how bad the winds were. You could hear the wind over the terrible announcers today. Stockton called his worst game ever.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
KC only couldn’t handle one of the snaps.
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by John B on Dec 20, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not what Rex said in the post game
He pretty much blamed the snapper. In the end, the defense failed just like they have so many other times in crunch time.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side..
ATLEAST WE HAVE A NEW STADIUM TO PLAY IN NEXT YEAR! Hello?..crickets crickets..Hello is anyone out there? I SAID WE HAVE A NEW STIDIUM TO PLAY IN NEXT YEAR..Hello..is….crickets crickets
So Mote It Be!
by TonyG68 on Dec 20, 2009 5:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
its not even in ny
i’m still pissed about that
by JetsFan1991 on Dec 20, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank the Dolans for that
I hope the Rangers and Knicks continue to suck until the Dolans sell the teams, or die.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kicking game and play calling suck
Someone needs to grab sanchez in back of the neck and tell his dumb a$$ to stop throwing int’s. This game was not his fault, felley and clemens are the goat but thrownig all these damm stupid int’s is inexcusable.
And as usualy, Schttteinheimer calls a horrible game. Its been painful watching his game plans. Everyone can tell what we are doing, hell i can see. He needs to go and i hope Rex has the balls to do ti.
by Ganggreen012 on Dec 20, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
When your QB is immobile via two knee braces, Schotty is kind of limited in what plays he can call. Of course ATL was going to stack the box, but he had to call a conservative gameplan.
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by Matt Birch on Dec 20, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schotty was the biggest problem
When will he learn that Sanchez is not Drew Brees or Philip Rivers yet? Why does he continue to go away from what has been the winning formula, run, run, and more run? If he stayed with the run, u control the clock, tire their D, and keep our d fresh. Instead he keeps unleashing Sanchez, who is actually learning nothing. Double coverage Mark? Really? Jets need a traffic cop, seems Mark blew threw a bunch of red lights today. Maybe he should Yield to someone else.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Got to admit that I’m getting a little frustrated with Mark’s obvious lack of learning. Their are interceptions and then their are INTERCEPTIONS, the latter are the ones floated into double coverage that he continues to put up. Heard so much about his football intelligence coming out of USC but have really not seen it this year.
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by David_Wyatt on Dec 20, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Strickland
Gives up the 1st down and the personal foul on top of that
DO WHAT JOSE REYES DO!!!
by Jadden Hopkins on Dec 20, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree. If there is one person i would cut today, it is
Kerry Rhodes. Cut him loose. He is a pathetic joke.
by Shivling on Dec 20, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree definitely.
This defense is built on heart. This defense is built on guys that play hard, and have great mental toughness. That’s why theyre the #1 defense in the NFL.
But when I see Rhodes try to tackle by doing his usual “side-nudge” or whatever you want to call it, and not wrapping guys up, it makes me want to puke. He really does shy away from contact. It’s sad when your safety, the glue who holds your last line of defense together, is as soft as play-dough. Just look at this comparison. Look at how hard leonhard plays, and how much ground he covers, and look at RHODES. What a joke
Both Rhodes and Gholston are so f*cking soft its disgusting. We dont need guys like that on our defensive unit. Ship them to clev and let eric deal with them.
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by Matt Birch on Dec 20, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you watch the game?
Rhodes made a ton of plays, and held TG in check. He wasnt on TG for the TD. Blame Rex for that one.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m one of Rhodes biggest critics, but he played an alright game today, he had a poor coverage on White where he didn’t look for the ball at all, that went for 10+ and he missed a tackle on a run, but other than that he was solid and actually made some plays. Didn’t play great but he was as solid.
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by David_Wyatt on Dec 20, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a Rhodes guy, but I hope they bring him back
Dont see many great alternatives to replacing him. He still has the talent, he just needs Rex to keep him motivated.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry Rhodes
How did Kerry Rhodes get his starting job back and he let Tony Gonzalez get that 6yd td in the endzone. Back in the dog house he goes.
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by Aepps85 on Dec 20, 2009 5:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody watch the post game?
They asked Rex why Rhodes wasnt covering TG in the end zone, and he said Rhodes was in a rotationa zone coverage I believe. Rhodes actually played well, and held TG in check. I am just as bitter as you guys, but at least know the facts before you call guys out.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong decision then.
If the game is on the line why wouldnt you keep Rhodes on Tg then to keep your playoff hopes alive. I’m just saying. CMON ON SON
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by Aepps85 on Dec 20, 2009 5:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what the thought was there
Even Stevie Wonder could see where that ball was going.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!
Even worst Stevie Wonder could have caught that pass lol.
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by Aepps85 on Dec 20, 2009 5:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not the defense...
You hold a team to 10 points, you should win. Unbelievable. How many times did we start near midfield? Believe me I’m no NFL coach but I could even predict the Jets would try to run up the middle on first down. Sick.
by smoke1 on Dec 20, 2009 5:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, #1 Defenses make the stop
The d allowed Atlanta to move down the field. The missed FG’s were awful, but the Jets gave the D a lead, and they couldnt hold it.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saying a number one defense makes the stop
is just what the media says so they seem relevant. If they gave up a touchdown in the second quarter, and made a stop on the last drive, they’d have still lost.
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by Evan_S on Dec 20, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am starting to see your point
Now I know why they didnt cover the greatest TE ever. They thought to themselves, “we already played a great game, why should we make a stop with the game on the line?” Whether they missed 500 FGs and Sanchez threw a 1000 ints, the Jets gave the Defense a lead, and they failed…AGAIN. Just like the Miami game, just like the Jags game. Pathetic.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Love the straw man
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
by Evan_S on Dec 20, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys played your game
Your defense was stifling, and it really stinks to lose because of special teams. I wish y’all good luck for the rest of the season.
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by Dave the Falconer on Dec 20, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the kind words
DO WHAT JOSE REYES DO!!!
by Jadden Hopkins on Dec 20, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your team didn’t quit, and you deserve the win.
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by dvdvil on Dec 20, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheers Dave, appreciate that
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by David_Wyatt on Dec 20, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
REAL TALK!
WE STILL GOTTA CHANCE. THEY JUST GOTTA PLAY THERE GAME AND PRAY FOR A MIRACLE NOW WITH THE OTHER WILD CARD TEAMS.
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by Aepps85 on Dec 20, 2009 6:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
PENALTIES
Say all you want about Herm and Mangini, but they had the least penalized teams year in and year out.
And the worst part is that the penalties are coming after the plays.
After we made a big deal about Ihedigbo and Douglas a looong time ago, it kept happening last week with Bart Scott and today.
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by dvdvil on Dec 20, 2009 6:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
*Marques Murrell not Douglas
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by dvdvil on Dec 20, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have become the Raiders East
The penalties are a joke. I agree with the Herm/Mangini point, we never had penalties like this under those guys.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know Rex wants to be the players’ coach, but he needs to get this taken care of. Maybe get Westhoff in charge of handing out punishments, as he seems to be the most no-nonsense guy on the staff.
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by dvdvil on Dec 20, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Westhoff needs to worry about his ST Unit
They have cost us a couple of games already. For such an accomplished coach, it has been a disappointing year.
by YankeesJets on Dec 20, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of blame to go all around.
The whole team is the goat.
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by dvdvil on Dec 20, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Win as a team, lose as a team
Yes, the defense broke down on the last drive (again). But the offense turned the ball over, and the special teams blew the FG tries. Some of those things work, we’re up by more than a score and the last TD becomes irrelevant.
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by StorkFan on Dec 20, 2009 10:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
funny but
The Jets gained ground in the wild card race this week
by gregsl on Dec 21, 2009 7:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Too be honest
I think Sanchez did ok in that game. 3 ints is terrible but after the first one he responded pretty well. I hope he watches film this week and goes ok i could have called a better shot on that one. Schottenhiemer I just don’t get. Hmm It’s windy and snowing lets throw my rookie out there today. ANd this guy was up for our coaching job.
I still feel we will be the dominant force in the AFC East for awhile
Pats are getting old
Dolphins are the same
And the Bills who cares
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