Midseason Jets Discussion
by John B on Nov 8, 2009 5:50 PM EST
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David and I are here tonight to talk about the Jets at the halfway point. We're hoping some of you will join us below in the conversation. If you read this site but haven't made yourself heard, tonight's a great time to register for a free account and introduce yourself.
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Good evening, everybody
I threw this up a bit earlier than planned. David will be around in a bit, but if anybody wants to talk about the Jets or anything else (baseball, cookie recipes, love advice), we’ll be here.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
MATSUIIIIIIIIIII
The most honorable Hideki!
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great, great series by Godzilla.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Think the Yankees bring him back? I get the impression they’ll bring back Damon instead to free up the DH spot.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
McCarver kept bringing up the notion that he’d go to Seattle if he left NY, but I seem to remember hearing that he and Ichiro don’t exactly get along.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’d have to bet he’s going back to Japan to wrap up his career if the Yankees don’t bring him back. I couldn’t see him in Seattle.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He would certainly go back to Japan a conquering hero.
This is certainly an interesting chat—a Jets fan and a Dolphins fan discussing the Yankees.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And how
See we can all have some common ground.
I see from your profile you’re a BC fan?
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed, I wouldn't expect any hostility from this Dolphin fan.
Yeah, I attend UMass-Amherst, but still pull for the old maroon and gold.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
I’m BC ’08
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's awesome.
Thoughts on Matt Ryan this year? I feel like he’s not quite living up to the expectations that I gave him in the preseason yet.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was expecting maybe half a step back. He really snuck up on people last year. He was going to have a target on his back this year. Also his three losses were on the road to really good teams. I’ll tell you. That team couldn’t have a better leader on or off the field. I think he’ll be fine.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was very impressed with him last season.
I owned Roddy in my fantasy league, so I watched every Falcon move with interest. I still sometimes wish Miami had taken him #1 overall.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was praying he’d fall to number 6 that year.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not many do get on with Ichiro
Add to that, Johjima has just returned to Japan himself, and I’m sure I heard that Matsui and Johjima got on quite well.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quite the way to go out.
Would you be in favor of bringing him back or letting him walk?
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like him back. Tough to replace that kind of run production.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Strengths= Sports, films, English history ;)
Weaknesses= Films starring Danny Devito, explaining just why the Knicks suck as bad as they do
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 6:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think rex Ryan will be out of the league in a few years
Current Phinsider Feud Points: 23
Sparano: Joey Porter, What is best in life?
Porter: To crush The Jets, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of Mark Sanchez
by Patssuck456 on Nov 8, 2009 6:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why do you say that?
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see that happening. Even if he fails as a head coach, he’ll catch on as a coordinator somewhere. Guy has a brilliant defensive mind.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Evident by the stats
2nd best defence overall going into the bye week. I think he has done a stand up job as a HC so far, couple of clock management issues, but generally not bad at all, can see that he is learning. Think he has a bright future ahead of him as a head coach. He is obviously a great personnel manager, the players love playing for him.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention the way he’s developed some of the more marginal players. Guys like Devito, Smith, and Pouha are playing significantly better than they had the rest of their careers. The only thing different this year is the coaching staff.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Too true
Pouha has been the most notable, we really struggled last year with Jenkins reeling but Pouha this year seems to have a lot more energy to him. The defence as a whole just seem like they know what they are supposed to be doing.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good Defensive coordinator but his arrogance and stubborness could very well cost his Head coaching job
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by Patssuck456 on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alternatively he will learn to be more balanced
I don’t think it has caused so much havoc that he will be out of football or as a head coach. I think he will soon start to understand the intricacies of clock and team management and not just defensive management.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, David, let’s start talking Jets.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Had our break
Time to look forward to the next challenge. Jacksonville, watched their game against KC today to do a little scouting. Very vulnerable through the air, that’s for sure.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Question about Gang Green Nation:
Was this the last NFL SB Nation blog to be formed? I remember when I joined in early 2008 being confused as to why the Jets were absent from the discussions.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we were the 32nd blog to be launched. We went live the Monday after Week 1 last year. Although there was a blog called NY Landing Strip that went through two writers about a year before.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How does Leon's injury change, if at all, his contract negotiations this offseason?
Because he is flat-out nasty.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great question
I’m not convinced it lowers his asking price. Remember, he’s a free agent so it will only take one team to make the bid he’s looking for to force the Jets to match. Plus I’ve read he’s expected to make a full recovery.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It may change
our move on Jones however. This off-season I remember everyone pretty much writing Jones off being back because of that roster bonus he is due next season ($3 million), however with questions about Leon and I really don’t think he will be back to full speed by the start of the season and Greene being raw, it’s more likely we bring Jones back IMO. Add to that the fact he doesn’t look like he is slowing down at all.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is his free agency status affected by the collective bargaining agreement?
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else see the Browns are contacting Holmgren?
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think the Browns would settle for a ham sandwich at HC right about now.
Holmgren would be a great choice to develop a QB, though.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing that would concern me is whether he would want control of personnel. He didn’t start taking off in Seattle until he relinquished that authority. He definitely would restore credibility to that franchise, though.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea why Anderson is starting
constantly throws around 20 passes and completes three. If they are that unhappy with Quinn then they need to go back to the draft for one or sign one through FA.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And why not at least give Quinn some starts so you can be sure he’s not the answer? It’s pretty clear Anderson is not.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They were holding Quinn back for a number of weeks to ensure that he didn't log enough playing time to activate an $11 million bonus...
… but they’re passed that threshold. No sense in not giving him a chance now.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quinn has talent
he plays off of confidence though, being a ND fan I got the chance to see him a lot, and I’m surprised at just how much he has struggled, but watching him with the Browns, you can see that his confidence is just not there.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been very impressed with Jimmy Clausen. He’s got all the physical tools, and he’s making good reads. Very impressive the way he’s checked down when teams drop into a deep zone and not force it to his playmakers. I think Clausen’s going to be a good pro.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Massive improvement on last year
That was the main issue last year, he always forced it and refused to check down to the backs and take the 5-6 yards that was on offer. This year that’s completely changed. Just look at the BC games from last year and this year. They play off the receivers so much, last year he tried forcing down field, this year, just getting it out quick, picking up 6 yards at a time. He should be the first QB taken, thinking that he is probably heading to the Rams. Hoping he doesn’t come out though. We have a genuine chance at a BCS next year, well talent wise. Need to get Weis out though.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And he excellend in GB when Ron Wolf was making the personnel decisions, too.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing that wouldn’t surprise me is more teams going to the Miami model (bringing in a credible figure to run the operations even if he doesn’t want to put the time into coaching). Maybe Marty taking that role since he has a history with the Browns and hiring Brian to be the HC? Seems logical to me.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems pretty logical to me as well
which of course means that the Browns won’t follow the method. I feel sorry for some of our old guys having to into that situation over there.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So little about that Mangini hire made sense. They didn’t even look at the other options, they hired a coach before a GM. Also, don’t you usually go for the opposite of the coach you just fired. They go for another New England DC.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vintage Browns.
To think, if they had resurrected their franchise a year earlier they would’ve landed Peyton instead of Tim Couch.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t see Mangini getting a head coaching job in the league ever again.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
... Oakland :-/
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Al Davis has made some stupid moves
but that one would take the biscuit.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One of my favorite stats is Crabtree has basically double the receptions and yardage DHB does despite playing 6 less games.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't believe that selection
I had DHB going around pick 25 or somewhere around there. When Crabtree fell to Oakland, I thought it was a given. When DHB was announced, I couldn’t help but laugh.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember saying, “Let’s see if Davis falls in love with speed again and takes Maclin.”
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, maybe.
I don’t really see him as a college guy either. Herm Edwards on the other hand I think would be great in college. That rah-rah stuff plays really well there. Plus he’s a great salesman. I can imagine him schmoozing with boosters and doing a great job landing recruits.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mangini would be a nightmare at any college
With his reputation, who would want to come and play for him. Guarantee that if a college did take him on, their recruiting rating would take a nose dive.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Mangini: future head coach of the Boston College Eagles ;-/
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll probably end up a studio anaylst for one of the network pre-game shows or something.
Imagine him breaking down games with Dungy and Rodney Harrison on NBC…
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Giants are down to the wire with San Diego.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Chargers sure do love to air it out.
I would too with two 6’5" WRs.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rivers is my fantasy QB
Need him to score me another TD, preferably not to Jackson lol
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have Jackson lol
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but I am way ahead and still have Romo going for me tonight.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
And Moss (pained me to watch him burn Vontae) and DeSean.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
scoring in fantasy is never any consolation for me….Ronnie Brown’s GW touchdown won my Week 5 matchup.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yer I usually avoid rival team players
Picked up Dan Carpenter for today though and he belted a 52 yarder which helped. Was a confusing game to watch today, Pat’s v Dolphins, can’t stand seeing Brady succeed, but we get a chance to get back at them.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I play in an IDP league...
… and I targeted David Harris all preseason—probably my favorite Jet.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is a popular guy with opponents fans
Probably just because he keeps his head down, his mouth shut and does his job
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does it incredibly well.
Easily the best LB in the AFC East. NE fans will argue for Mayo, but I don’t think so.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My opponent has him
he also has John Carney who has been kicking up a storm for NO today (Who were pushed by Carolina most the game)
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our stadium is horrible
just looks bad, notice it more when the Giants are playing, can’t wait to move into the new place next year.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It looks good from the outside. I pass it on my commute every day.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still no news on a sponsor
since that Allianz deal fell through
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and I mean the new stadium.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TD Jackson
More points for me that helps overall, but doesn’t help me moving away from the opponent.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Giants need to work the middle of the field here.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Crushing loss for the Giants. The only silver lining is they still have home games with Philly and Dallas.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They're really free-falling now.
Can’t wait to hear Francesa rant.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It has the potential to be a long winter in New York.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rivers v Manning
That old debate is going to creep up again. Rivers threw a couple of INT today, but If I were starting a franchise and I had to pick one of them, I would go with Rivers over Manning.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Big Ben over both?
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would take him.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more skeptical
I hate the way he hangs onto the ball so long, but you can’t argue with his success, so I would probably take him as well.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The way he holds onto the ball has pros and cons. He probably takes more hits and sacks than he should, but the way he can break tackles on sacks also creates things other quarterbacks can’t.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright Gang Green Nation...
… I’m taking off (unnecessary pun, I know). I’m glad I got to have a real conversation with some Jets fans. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday evening!
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You too, Daniel. Thanks for joining us. Please feel free to stop by again.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheers Daniel
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Will do.
You guys have been on my SB blog roll for a while now—keep up the good work.
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by Daniel52 on Nov 8, 2009 7:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking the game at Foxborough might be the biggest game left on the schedule. Must win as far as the division is concerned.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Need to really beat the Jags first though, a loss there coupled with a patriots win could pretty much seal the division. Especially when you look at our remaining schedule.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What would you like to see out of Sanchez the rest of the year?
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Protect the football
Really needs to stop dangling the ball, if he can do that, then will be pretty happy. Also looking for him not to have another nightmare game. He will make mistakes, but really don’t want to see another 3+ INT, or just 3+ turnovers by any means. You see that Stafford threw 5 INT today, it happens to the best of them. What about you?
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I concur. I want him to continue to get better, and that means taking care of the ball better.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see steady improvement.
But I could also see one more stinker in there… The Jets got to get on a roll heading into their final 3 games.
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I feel optimistic. I get the feeling the defense is about to lift this team on its shoulder.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Jerrad good to see you
Agreed that we really need to go into the three games with some wiggle room. Can’t see us coming away with 3 wins there, but again, I think we play better against better teams.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely
A dominant win against a Texans team that almost beat Indi on the road, and then a win against the 6-2 pats…but on the other side of the spectrum losing to the Bills and swept by the phins.
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s funny. During the offseason we heard the Jets compared with the Ravens for obvious reasons, and their season have ended up mirroring each other to a large extent.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, the Bills one was one for the ages
So seeing the Bucs improve today might be a good thing for the Jets with them coming in.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow didn't realize that.
Both 4-4, each team has had a couple of heartbreakers too
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 7:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But looks like a repeat of last year
10-6 might not get it done for a wildcard…Chargers (5-3) Texans (5-4) Pittsburgh (5-2) Jacksonville (4-4) Baltimore (4-4) alot of competition
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 7:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Very true. It’s possible the Jets have to win out to make it albeit unlikely.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
11-5 is a likely record to get that wild card place
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We do have the tiebreaker on Houston and the chance to get it on Jacksonville.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very True.
Can’t overlook Jacksonville, 2 very dangerous weapons in Drew and Sims-Walker. However, we still can claim the division the Pats have a brutal schedule coming up so that’s the time to make up ground.
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That Patriots/Saints game will be a good one
I was saying to a friend earlier that the Patriots don’t have that aura around them any more that if they get 2 games up they are unreachable. A couple of years ago, a 2 game lead with 7-8 to go would be pretty much game over, but not any-more IMO.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really think the Week 2 win took a lot of their aura away. They may still win it, but for the first time I feel like the Jets really believe they can take it.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially as we play well in NE and beat them last year there
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason we usually play a better game in Foxborough.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts on Shonn Greene?
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Steady run
He hasn’t been outstanding, and some nagging injuries are concerning me, however for the time he has been given he hasn’t been bad. He shows toughness, fights through tackles, but I don’t think he is ready to be a feature back just yet. Looking forward to seeing him with a few more carries, but want to see T.Jones back next year, and then let Greene take over. Liked him at Iowa, 1000+ yards after contact in 08, so he doesn’t go down easy.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’ll have to play a big role for us to be successful in the second half.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I just hope that he gets that fumble out his mind quickly. We don’t need another player in the backfield with ball protection problems.
I just looked at his college numbers and on 370+ rushing attempts, he never once fumbled the football, so maybe that was just a one off.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you guys think Pace is the main factor in 9 sacks last 2 games or other factors?
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Well since he has three of them, I’d say pretty big factor. Other teams have to account for him more than Gholston so I’m sure he’s drawing more attention and opening things up for other guys.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean had three in the Oakland game.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just having him on the field effects everything
teams have to prepare for him, and he really has a good motor like we saw on the 2nd sack against Oakland I think it was. I think it’s a combination of him and Rex’s schemes, we weren’t getting sacks before but we were getting to the QB’s, so it was only a matter of time.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you guys think of the role David Clowney plays down the stretch? A potential answer in the slot?
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not sold on his route running, but haven’t seen enough this year,he needs to be schemed into things. However I still think that given the chance Woodhead could do a job in that slot position. He has been practising, but we really haven’t seen much
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’ll be interesting to see what the team has in store for Woodhead. He’s got the quickness, but again route running could be an issue. He doesn’t have much experience playing the position.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yer, i think the bye week came at a good time for that, I know Rex said he wanted everyone out of the building but I’m sure Woodhead went away and worked on his new position. I just want to see him in the game and targeted, just to see what he can do.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess he’s off the kickoff coverage unit.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So far most of his plays have been vertical passes.
Although he certainly could make an impact since teams have to account Edwards as a deep threat.
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
He is especially dangerous when the run game is working, because his initial burst and quickness, if backs bite on the PA, they are getting burned. I’m sure before the season is through he would of made a couple of big plays for us
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jay Feely: Do you trust him in a big spot?
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Like many things however, he has to be in one first
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know yet..
I mean I trusted Doug Brien and look how that turned out…
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
On the one hand, Feely’s been close to automatic, but I’ll still never forget that game in Seattle in 2005 with the Giants.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On kicking
Just how big a waste of a 2nd rounder was that selection of Nugent
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can think of very few K/P really successful who were drafted
and not named Ray Guy
by StorkFan on Nov 8, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think?
Aboute having official scorers in football. Was just brought up on SNF, McNabb threw a pass right into the hands of Maclin and it came off his claws and was intercepted. Should that really go against McNabb??
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Never thought of that. It’s a slippery slope, though. What if a QB makes a lousy throw, and the WR makes a great catch. Is that an incompletion?
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
just thought that it was worth mentioning, not as straight forward as baseball, and the official error scores.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Any good recipes for our readers? Thanksgiving coming up in the states.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What do you traditionally eat for Thanksgiving?
Aside from the obvious Turkey.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mashed potatoes, stuffing, sweet potatoes, cranberry sauce
Pumpkin pie’s a popular dessert. I actually uncovered a pretty good recipe that uses vanilla ice cream instead of milk.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hope that's all home cooked
tried some of that mash that comes in a packet for the first time in my life the other week. It will be the first and last time, horrible stuff.
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Have to have home cooked stuff. Absolutely
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
P.S Yankee fans
Read that you were looking at some free agent outfielders. We will give you Milton Bradley for a couple of bats, three balls, and a outfielders mitt.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh sure, he seems like the kind of guy who would be great in New York.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He really has a way with the media that suits New York
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Follow the Premiership at all? Who do you think wins it all this year?
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 8:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yer follow it pretty closely
Not a fan of any team though, my team resides in the 3rd tier of English football. Norwich City. I think Chelsea probably win it this year, they seem like the complete team this season, United are missing Ronaldo, Liverpool are not defensively good enough. It’s the usual culprits for the title though, looking forward to the day when the Champ doesn’t come from United/Liverpool/Arsenal or Chelsea. You a fan of the beautiful game?
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m getting into it a little. That’s why I asked. Saturday mornings when I wake up that’s usually all that’s on.
I’m still shopping for a team. It’s difficult because I don’t really want to be a big four bandwagoner, but I’ll need one big enough that will be on Fox Soccer Channel or ESPN 2 frequently. I wouldn’t root for United or Chelsea. I do enjoy Arsenal’s style of play, and You’ll Never Walk alone at Liverpool is one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen. I’m still not sure what team I’ll end up supporting. The best advice I’ve ever gotten is that a team chooses you. You don’t choose a team.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Any suggestions on my budding fandom?
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yer I think that's accurate
If you try and just choose a team a lot of the time you will start watching and then another team jumps out at you. Not sure how they choose their teams to show, have you ever look at Tottenham, in my experience, they are usually pretty popular over in the US. Everton might be worth taking a look at, Aston Villa as well. Or-depends what you look for in a team, Arsenal play free flowing attacking football, but they have always had problems defensively under Wenger.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure if you’re a reader of Bill Simmons of ESPN. Despite his allegiance to Boston sports, I’m still kind of a fan. A few years back, he shopped for a team, did profiles on all of them, and ended up with the Spurs.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
haha not surprised
not sure what it is about them that is popular over your end. I read his baseball stuff sometimes, as don’t have any problems with the Red Sox, but don’t pay too much attention to him.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s got some really good basketball stuff. His baseball and football writing I could take or leave.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't tend to read too much basketball stuff
watching the Knicks every other night is about as much as I can take
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
er, if you guys wanna have discussions like this, wouldn’t it be more effective to use skype or something and post it as a podcast? Not trying to criticize, but it seems more organized to me.
by Thordain on Nov 8, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We’re looking to encourage people to leave comments here.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of show how these can be used to generate discussion.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't really follow soccer too much...
But I have watched of course the World Cup and I would have to go with Liverpool as my favorite they actually played at the meadowlands a few years back.
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Can't wait for the World Cup
Already got the qualification process wrapped up, and it gets absolutely crazy here the summer of the World Cup. Might be going to South Africa during it as well, so that would be awesome.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As I said before, I caught a YouTube clip of their supporters singing You’ll Never Walk Alone. Sent chills.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems a little better than J-E-T-S :-o
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol it's the only thing I like about them
Never been a big fan of Liverpool to be honest, their the kind of team that if your not a supporter you don’t really like. There not the only British team to sing that song, Celtic to it as well, but obviously it’s not as popular.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, reminds me of the Red Sox.
I guess there’s talk Celtic is jumping ship from the SPL.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That walk has been going on for years
SPL is a boring two team league, you know it’s either Celtic or Rangers. If they do want to become prem teams, they will have to start at the bottom of the ladder. They won’t be allowed to just automatically go to the Prem, not sure where they will start, but thinking it is probably the conference.
I don’t see it ever happening however.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Got a question for you, David. How are you able to follow American sports over there? Is there a presence on television? Is it online?
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Quite Easily
NFl is the only sport that is showed on terrestial TV, meaning that you don’t have to pay for it. We get one game a week the SNF game (we used to get the MNF one as well, but not this season). Then on paid TV, we have SKY who show 3 games a week on a Sunday afternoon. We also have two channels dedicated to US sports, our version of ESPN and ESPNNA that show NHL/NBA/MLB and college sports, along with all the sports talk shows, like PTI/ATH, Sports reporters. Use internet links to get the games I want, pay for MLB.TV and Field pass for football.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Back to the Jets. What one player do you think needs to have the biggest impact the second half of the year to make the Playoffs?
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Keller for me
He can be so valuable to this offence and with a rookie QB, having that safety net underneath is valuable. I think the defence as a unit are going to be fine, so getting the offence going is vital to give us chances to win the game.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So who did you guys want to win today Phins or Pats? as bad as that sounds.
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My head said root for Miami, but they’re the one team I hate more than the Pats so I was pulling for New England.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly the same John
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How about you Jerrad?
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On another note, I’ve enjoyed this. Should we make this a Sunday night ritual? I’d imagine we’ll start getting more traffic on game nights.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Probably a good idea
Sure it will be a lot busier next Sunday, especially with a win hopefully
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say Sione Pouha
If he can take double teams it’ll be huge for the linebackers to make plays, but if he gets pushed off the line it could be trouble.
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Very good choice
I think I’ll take the obvious guy, Sanchez. Needs to continue to develop and make less mistakes with the football.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally..
I dislike Miami even more than the Pats, but I was hoping for A dolphin win leaves us only 1 game behind the Pats..
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Similar opinion to most Jets fans I think
However the Patriots have a much tougher schedule than the Dolphins, so Patriots are more likely to drop games down the road IMO
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
A very good idea, however, could be alot of venting if we lose or obnoxious fans from the other team.
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Other fans aren’t a problem. If we’re live, I can take care of anybody who acts up and prevent them from disrupting other threads.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And we all need a place to vent after a loss.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Always expect some venting now and again
As long as we have some cool heads in here to keep perspective, we will be good
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
Just saying the conversation would be alot different than todays. This was more of a reflection on the whole season and various other topics, while next week would consist more of the Jacksonville game. But anyways im all for that idea.
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 9:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We did something similar after the Miami game, and this Dolphins fan came on and compared me to Saddam Hussein….don’t think we’re gonna top that.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol that was surreal
Usually it’s ok, and apart from a couple of issues with some Dolphins fans, the opposing teams fans have been pretty good this season.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was disappointed more Bills fans didn’t come the week we played them. They stopped by over the summer when the AFC East blogs had some Q and A. They’re really astute fans. Brought a lot of good conversation to the table.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yer it was a shame
Next time we play them, I’m going to make an effort to get over there and talk to some and bring some back over for discussion with our fans.
I think doing the Q&A midweek helps with that
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that actually.
Very funny, lightened the mood im sure…and forgot to mention another player who needs to step up, KERRY RHODES
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’ll throw Braylon Edwards in there. He needs to continue playing on a high level and earn his contract.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoping that D'Brick continues his development as well
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I know some Bill fans.
Pretty classy in their win, they were a bit shocked too.
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 9:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, when I talked to Brian the Bills blogger that week, it seemed like he was talking about how the Jets would kill the Bills every other sentence.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not many had any reason to believe they would beat us
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He’s been very good this year. Hopefully, the line can stay healthy…And yeah I saw his prediction wasn’t giving them much hope…But on any given Sunday anything can happen.
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 9:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let’s see if Keller turned a corner last week also. It seemed like he was Sanchez’s primary read. Not sure whether that’s to avoid mistakes or because the Dolphins can’t cover tight ends.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A bit of both perhaps?
Yes, the Phins can’t cover tight ends, but his touchdown catch was an extremely difficult ball and made an unbelievable catch on the 4th down. ( pass int, but you get my point)
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's one of the reasons I thought Keller was in for a massive season
He should be the primary read for a rookie QB IMO, and we kind of got away from that after Sanchez had so much success, but it seems that he is back to being the primary guy
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the reasons I was surprised Leon wasn’t more involved in the passing game.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerrad, how did you find the site? Is there anything you think we can do better here?
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 9:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yahoo Sports
A big time follower there, I saw your guys link and started reading, quite nice actually. I like the Site updated throughout the day which is cool. I enjoyed the 5 questions with the other team…don’t know if you guys have done that every week. Prefer that the most since I believe the fans really know their team the best. I doubt any other NFL fan knows who Mike Devito, Pouha, or Woodhead is.
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 10:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the input and the kind words. We should have a few things for Jaguars week. I’ll be on the Jacksonville blog’s podcast Wednesday night.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Keller
A tight end like Keller should be a great safety valve for a rookie qb… maybe his numbers have dropped because he was Favre’s favorite target and we all know he loves his tight end…and I will def. try to check that out John.
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Look at the TE in Minnesota (Shiancoe??, not sure how you spell it), but he is having a great season. Favre always finds a way to get it to his TE, it will take time for a rookie to get up to pace. However I think the combination of Sanchez to Keller will be a good one for many years.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking forward to getting back to work on game-week, always plenty to talk about, and we do usually get this updated 3-4 times a day, if not more.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well guys it’s been a pleasure, but I think that’s all for me. Jerrad, thanks for stopping by. Hope to see you around here. David, as always, it’s been nice chatting with you.
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by John B on Nov 8, 2009 10:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, definately a positive.
Something to kill time or something to look for during the game. and no prob. definately a nice chat to get through a sunday of no Jets football =)
by Jerrad p on Nov 8, 2009 10:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yer been good guys
Nice chatting to ya Jerrad, and always a pleasure John.
Will have some more stuff up tomorrow, and it represents game week.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 8, 2009 10:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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