Rex: Sanchez Will Stay the Starter
Rex Ryan has no thoughts of pulling Mark Sanchez from the starting lineup.
On if he considered benching Sanchez during the game...
No, absolutely not
On if he's thought about sitting Sanchez for a game or two to give him perspective from the sideline...
No, because I don’t think he’s going to get any better sitting on the sideline. You know, he’s got to learn from it. And without question, he made a lot of mistakes today. You know, there were some other guys that made a lot of mistakes today, but he’s got to learn from them. And the only way to do it, you know you can visualize it, watch tape and carry a clipboard, but unless you get on the field, you aren’t going to get any better and that’s my opinion.
At this point, it's tough for me to see any wisdom in sitting Sanchez. Watching from the sideline probably isn't going to help him get better. He needs to go in there. The only way to learn from mistakes is to make them. Let him get as much experience under his belt for next year as possible.
I've heard some people say he should be benched because his confidence is low. If he's ever going to make it in New York, he's going to have to learn to play through and get himself out of rough spots. Besides, won't losing the starting job have a negative impact on his confidence? If his play is so bad that his coaches don't believe in him, it won't help his mental game.
The Jets don't have another option. We can pretty much agree Kellen Clemens isn't the answer. Erik Ainge didn't look very good against third and fourth stringers in the preseason, and two teams dumped Kevin O'Connell over the summer getting very little in return. There's nothing to suggest any of them will even play as well as Sanchez.
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Couldn't agree more
Going through the other thread, I can’t believe anyone in their right mind would want Ainge anywhere near the football in a regular season game.
This team was 9-7 last year. Its largerly the same team, but instead of (despite if you love/hate him) one of the all time greats QB’ing its a rookie who only started 13 college games. Last season Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco gave a lot of hope to Rookie QB/Coach combos but the Jets play in a tougher divison then either of those teams.
Would it have been nice to make the playoffs? Sure. But realistically you have to realize that there are going to be growing pains. Hell, all you have to do is look at the Giants and see how before he won the big one people wanted to yank Eli. Clemens, after 3 seasons in the same system, couldn’t beat out Sanchez in the preseason. He’s not going to suddenly come in and magically lead the Jets to the playoffs. Ainge is a Pennington clone, but without the Heart, Intelligence or leadership skills.
They say that sometimes it takes 4-5 weeks of tapes to get a feel for a qb. Sanchez early on was impressive, but eventually DC’s are going to catch up with you. I think we got spoiled by some of his Early play. If the offense had come out and struggled from game 1 while the defense rocked, no Jets fan would be that upset by now. A rookie QB is going to lose some games, but if he’s already starting he’s only going to get better by staying in.
He should start, but...
If he has 3 or more turnovers he should get yanked. His teammates deserve a shot at winning a game. They don’t prepare all week to go out and watch Mark blow it.
all our losses
aren’t all Sanchez’s fault. When he plays a decent game, some other aspect of the team loses it, like special teams in that second game with Miami.
ITS TIME FOR A GREEN OUT!
by greenNwhite4life on Nov 23, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Delighted that Rex has some perspective
He has it spot on here.
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No point pulling him, frankly.
I can’t imagine the Jets are still seriously playing for a playoff spot now. One more loss and it’s surely mathematically impossible to go.
May as well give Sanchez the opportunities to grow and learn as a quarterback for next season.
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Picks at least as much the recivers fault
All right, I’m a Dolphin fan, and in an unprecedented move (maybe because the Jets fans were so kind when I went to the NY-MIA game at the Meadowlands), I felt genuinely bad for you all yesterday evening when I was watching the game. Not because of Sanchez—he’s very young and green, but he has a lot of talent, and he’ll grow into a good QB in a year or two—but because of his receivers.
Someone should tell Braylon Edwards that the way to play wide receiver, see, is that when you’re going out for a pass, you have to turn around and look for the ball, then run as fast as you can to catch it. On one of Sanchez’s picks, Edwards sort of jogged half-speed, looking down the field for what I don’t know, then turned around at the last moment and follow the balls path as it sailed past him into the DB’s hands. Another time, the ball flew right over the TE’s head because he wasn’t even looking at Sanchez—and this was after he’d made his cut. He looked completely surprised.
I can’t blame Sanchez for getting desperate at the end and just throwing it up there, hoping maybe somebody would at least make an effort, but the Jet receivers didn’t seem very interested. It was really strange and bizarre.
I'm Crying now
Don’t feel Bad Rex, after this game I’m crying too, if you take away the interceptions we played well enough to win the game.
Learn from who
Ok so for those who want Sanchez to sit “so he can learn from the sidelines”, who do you want him to learn from? Do we have an aging Joe Montana or John Elway that Mark can learn from?
If a team is picking Mark off 3-4 times, do you think Clemens or Ainge won’t have the same results?
Let teh kid battle. As for the other 52 players, it’s not like they are pulling their weigh as well, so let’s not cry a river for them. This isn’t pee-wee football. Win or lose they should be prosfessional enough to know what is going on and that is that as of now we are looking at the future, and keeping Sanchez in there is the only viable option we got.
Yes as a matter of fact I do
Think that Clemens or Ainge would Not have the same result, that is.
Further, it’s not the experience earned from watching another player’s performance that is the lesson. The lesson that needs to be driven home to Sanchez is that there are other players that want the job, and if he’s going to throw five interceptions in a game then one of the consequences of that kind of performance is that he’s going to lose his job. All he’s currently learning is that it’s okay to blow the season because “he’s learning”. That’s a load of tripe, and it’s not fair to the rest of the team, let alone the fans, that he should be given a free pass as the season goes down in flames.
Let the kid battle? Bollocks! Let him hold a clipboard on the sideline when Carolina comes to town. Maybe the other 52 players will be able to pull their weight if they don’t have to carry the weight of Sanchez’s three turnovers per game. I don’t see anyone running away with the wildcards yet, so why should we write off the season to “Mark’s learning curve”?
This is very well said
The lesson needs to be driven home that there are consequences for playing poorly!
by Mackey Sasser on Nov 24, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Just to be clear Erik Ainge did pretty well against 4th stringers and had a very good preseason, lets not twist all the facts to prove a point.
The bottom line is that we needed to win this game, by half time it was pretty clear we weren’t with Sanchez. If Ryan paid more attention to his offense he would have realized that, instead he probably was more focused on how his defense needed to improve. To his credit the d did improve after the half but the offense didnt. Sanchez should have been benched, we probably wouldn’t have won anyway with Clemens but at least we would have a shot.
Benching of Sanchez.
He should be benched. Kellen Clemens hasn’t had one change to lead the Jets this season. We know what Sanchez can do. He isn’t the answer! If Kellen will be a free agent at the end of the year, at least give him a shot with this team. The Jets are much better than in 2007 when he led them to three of the four wins. I personally believe Sanchez is already a “bust”. I’m a life-long Jets fan who is tired of this team looking stupid!
by Jetman Delta 01 on Nov 23, 2009 3:44 PM EST reply actions
How do you mean Kellen Clemens hasn’t had one chance to lead the Jets this season? They let him be the starter by default heading into the preseason, he’s had 3 seasons in the pros in the same system under the same OC, what more could he want to go his way to prove himself in the preseason? To top that off, Sanchez only had 13 collegiate starts. Clemens couldn’t get it done in the last two years even when given every single chance, he’s not going to come in now and lead the Jets to a victory or the playoffs.
I dont think sanchez should be benched now since the seasons a lost cause now but during that game he should have.
A lot of the blame has to go to the backfield. Without a good catching running back sanchez has to be rely on wide outs and keller and if they’re covered then the play falls apart since jones/green cant be relied to catch the ball. Schotty should implement more Woodhead to act as a checkdown Sanchez can throw to.
Benching Sanchez will stop his confidence from dropping below zero.
The dude’s confidence is killing him. It’s either at zero or right above it. Dropping it below zero could really hurt the kid.
Sanchez should clearly be benched. He needs to learn from Clemens how to manage a game rather than try and do stupid shit like forcing the ball on every throw.
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The back up quaterback. Yeah I hope when Clemens and ainge make it to the Hall of Fame they go in as Jets.
For the Jets it always seems to be the 3rd string QB. Ahhh, the Days of Cheering for Foley, Blake, and anyone but Bubby Brister to get a chance on the field.
Erik Ainge
Okay, I actually looked up his 2009 Preseason stats. They are nothing special.
28 of 49 (57.1%) 435 yards 8.9 Avg 4 Tds 3 sacks for a 113 QB Rating
For Comparison: Sanchez
24 of 37 (64.9) 347 Yards 9.4 Avg 3 Tds 1 INT 1 Sack for a 111 QB Rating
And Finally Clemens
10 of 18 (55.6) 89 Yards 4.9 Avg 1 TD 2 INT 1 Sack for a 47.9 QB Rating
Now I might be willing to argue that Ainge might be better then Clemens. But between Sanches and Ainge and considering that Sanchez faced the 1st or 2nd team most preseason games and Ainge was doing mop up, its not even close. Not only that, but of his 435 yards, One of them was a 70 yarder on a single pass in the second game meaning that he really finished with around 365 yards. Ainge’s high QB Rating is more due to him not having a INT, which isn’t surprising considering the DBs he was playing against couldn’t catch a ball if their life depended on it.
Stats aren’t everything
I’m not saying he’s the next manning but he deserves some props for how he played considering how he started his nfl career (suspension). He engineered 3 2nd half comebacks in the 4 games (one fell short) even if he played against 3rd stringers he still preformed well my allowing the jets have a chance to win the game.
He really didn’t look good at all. He showed little arm strength or touch, and his balls were wobbly.
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Sanchez had 12 completions and 2 TDs yesterday...
But 4 completions and a TD was for the Pats. How much is too much in a game?
lol I was just thinking that John
His throws had absolutely no zip on them, and the wobble on them was unbelievable, Braylon is having problems catching balls as it is without giving him a ball like the one Ainge throws.
Ainge will likely move up as the back-up next year, so maybe people calling for him will get their wish if something happens to Sanchez.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 24, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
How many wobbly throws by Ainge were intercepted?
“He really didn’t look good at all. He showed little arm strength or touch, and his balls were wobbly.”
So you prefer the tight spiraling pass into the hands of the cornerback that we’ve seen from Sanchez?
The DBs that Ainge was throwing against in preseason are currently either looking for a job or on their teams Practice squads for the most part. After Halftime your not exactly talking about the most talented members of a team being out there. He could have hit the DBs in the hands with passes and they’d have still dropped them.
"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."
Ainge was protected by the 3rd string O-line...
And was working with 3rd string receivers and a running game.
Even if Mark gets pulled mid-way thru a game and whoever gets thrown in sucks to high heaven, at least will be able to get a side-line view of bonehead plays and how it takes the air out of his team. Maybe he’ll see how simple it is not to force it, or make his progressions to quickly. Maybe he’ll see that sometimes just being a little more composed and waiting for a receiver to make his break and stepping into a throw is how to do it rather than rushing thru progressions and trying to anticipate a receivers break and throwing a pick 6.
Kyle Boller will be looking for a new team next year. Mr. Clutch can only do so much on the Rams.
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I’d like if we could get Bullinger back. He put up good numbers in the UFL, depending on your opinion of it.
121 of 179 for a Completion % of 67.6 1526 Total Yards 8.5 Average 14 TDs to 3 INTs
His 1526 yards were 300 more then the 2nd most (JP Losman) and nearly double of 3rd (856 yards)
Garcia anyone?
are we that desperate yet? lol
ITS TIME FOR A GREEN OUT!
by greenNwhite4life on Nov 23, 2009 10:56 PM EST reply actions
No point in Garcia
This season is over, and we need to let Sanchez learn, Garcia wants to be a starter. Just doesn’t make sense in my opinion.
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by David_Wyatt on Nov 24, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Let him play
That way when the Jets finish under .500 this season and lose 3 of 4 games next year maybe the front office will see the lack of size and arm strength and realize he’s not a starting NFL QB and look to sign a capable free agent. If Sanchez had an arm like JaMarcus Russell the jets would have a QB that would be unstoppable but what we got instead is a younger version of Chad Pennington, no arm strength, average ability, and maybe when he learns to read the defense alittle better we may have a competent game manager but nothing else.
I fear for Sanchez’s future. Kid is clearly in over his head, has no clue what he’s doing out there, and unfortunately, there’s no one on the team that can mentor him. That, most of all, may be his undoing.
If he keeps playing poorly
you are risking destroying his confidence. It’s obvious that he’s already fragile. If he throws a couple picks, he needs to be benched. There’s a responsibility to the rest of the team. When other player’s screw up badly, they sit out. You can’t put the QB on a pedestal.
Everyone wants to say you can’t get better watching. Why do players ever watch film then? Maybe by watching he can pick up things about how to see the field and timing, because these are things he lacks. At least he won’t get worse watching, because he play any worse.
by Mackey Sasser on Nov 24, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
"can't play any worse"
that is. At least I hope he can’t.

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