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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

Checking in for a while

Just read some rumours linking my Cubs and your Yankees John with Curtis Granderson, what are your thoughts there?

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 15, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn’t want to give up a top prospect for him, which is probably what it would take. I like him, but he was brutal against lefties last year.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

A pure salary dump I would do, but I don’t see that happening. His contract’s very affordable. I’d imagine there would be some sort of bidding war.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yer

Angels are also interested, and would think they have the players expendable for a trade. I can’t imagine who they would want from us. Josh Vitters is untouchable.

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 15, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I would rather the Yankees get Chone

He can move around to a lot of places, he wont cost no prospects, and he is younger than Damon.

by YankeesJets on Nov 15, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The only thing I want from this off-season

Is for Milton Bradley to be shipped out somewhere, anywhere. Guy is trash, single handedly ruined the team this year. Well he had a little help from Jim Hendry who destroyed a team with the most wins in the NL, all to get left handed. That really worked Jim, congrats.

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 15, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember saying Bradley was a bad contract. That man is the posterchild of people who should only get one year deals.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Would'nt want to take on Perez

but heard a deal for Castillo, involving Toronto in a three team trade. Would take Castillo

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 15, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, knew it was a terrible deal

He meted down in San Diego, how the hell was he going to cope in Chicago, a baseball town, with the Cubs fans about as impatient as they come. Was never going to work. Trading for Kevin Gregg and not offering Wood, and trading Mark DeRosa to get Aaron Miles (switch hitter). It was one of the worst off-seasons in Cubs history.

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 15, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting rid of DeRosa was dumb, not bringing back Wood was smart

What the heck were the Mets thinking with the Perez and Castillo deals? Hendry wanted to get left handed, Minaya wanted to get even more Latino.

by YankeesJets on Nov 15, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

My question is how does Minaya still have a job.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I ask myself that question every day

The only convincing reason i’ve found is that Omar is easily convinced by small sample sizes and tends to blind himself to the inconsistencies. With Ollie, Omar was in love with his performance against the Phillies, so much so that he felt he could just ignore Ollie’s incredible wildness and walk rate. As for Castillo…. well, I can only assume he felt that Castillo was still in his 2003 form…

Not that I want to defend Omar in anyway, I think he should be tosssed out on his ass

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by blueandorange4life on Nov 16, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think getting rid of Wood was smart

Wood said he would of taken a smaller deal and even another one year one to remain with the Cubs. Instead we paid Gregg $4.2 million to suck, blow saves and ultimately get shifted from the role.

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 15, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it was smart to get rid of Wood

He said that he would of taken another one year deal to stay in Chicago but yet we let him walk, and then traded a promising prospect in Jose Ceda to the Marlins for Gregg, his $4.2 million contract, and just so we could watch him blow saves and ultimately get shifted from the role and demoted.

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 15, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Wood was awful for the Tribe last year

Gregg was okay early on. Marmol shouldve just been given the closers job. Minaya has a job because he somehow got the Mets to give him a 4 year extension after the 08 season, so they wont eat that much money. I will give him props for stealing Johan. The Twins got nothing on that deal.

by YankeesJets on Nov 15, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Wood was awful for the Tribe last year

Gregg was okay early on. Marmol shouldve just been given the closers job. Minaya has a job because he somehow got the Mets to give him a 4 year extension after the 08 season, so they wont eat that much money. I will give him props for stealing Johan. The Twins got nothing on that deal.

by YankeesJets on Nov 15, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

chone figgins

would be cool.

we will have a shonn greene (jets), a chone figgins (yanks) and a shawn green (mets), not to mention the other sean green. how many ways can you spell the name?

and the home of the... JETS!!!

Go, Pac, Go!!! Manny Pacquiao!!!

by dvdvil on Nov 15, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

speaking of rumors

Brady Quinn to Denver is whats circulating.

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by TheTealDeal on Nov 15, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

that was before the season

i think, so anyway.
but it just came out recently.

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by dvdvil on Nov 15, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

renewed interest maybe

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by TheTealDeal on Nov 15, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to go to the Jets/ Bucs game

I’m afraid they wont show up to play. They never do when its a team they’re suppose to beat.

by YankeesJets on Nov 15, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

I'd try and get to the Bengals game

We seem to do better against the better teams. Worst case scenario, you have Ocho to keep you entertained.

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 15, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Seeing as I live near Tampa, the Bengals arent an option

I thought the Bucs game would be a cakewalk, but they have shown me a lot the last two weeks.

by YankeesJets on Nov 15, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Freeman’s surprising me. I remember Draft day I was watching SNY, and Ray Lucas said he’d walk off the set if the Jets picked him.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ray Lucas gets more credit than he deserves

He wasnt that great as a QB, and he really isnt that great in the studio.

by YankeesJets on Nov 15, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he really only played well one year, and that was in meaningless games.

He impressed the Jets so much that year, they drafted Pennington.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

He sounds like an idiot when he gives his analysis

There has to be a former Jet out there in need of a job. Maybe one of those numerous TE’s or how about Mike Nugent? He isnt doing anything. Anybody but Lucas. Or Buttle for that matter.

by YankeesJets on Nov 15, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Who does everybody have tonight?

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions  

Colts by 7

Hoping that Dwight Freeney has a field day against Brady

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 15, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

This game was flexed, no?

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The Colts

But the Pats will win, because everything else went wrong today. Jets lose, Fins win. Today really showed the difference between the Fins and Jets. The Jets find ways to lose, the Fins find ways to win.

by YankeesJets on Nov 15, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

They’ve had some pretty brutal losses at the end of games to the Colts and Saints.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Should probably read

they find ways to win games that they should win, where as Jets find ways to lose games they should win.

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 15, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Patriots by 3

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by TheTealDeal on Nov 15, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Do we have any shot in Foxborough next week?

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 7:57 PM EST reply actions  

Probably will play our best game

It will get everyone’s hopes up that we are back on track, only for it to be dashed. Losing from here on out isn’t the way we do it. We have to instil some hope if we want to dash it.

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 15, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The Jets are a good matchup for that offense. We’ve been able to bang Brady around and had success against them in recent years.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Of Course, The Jets Are Going To Win

They only lose the games they take lightly. While they’re at SNY for all their guest spots(which need to come to an end) they watch all the shows, and buy the hype. When it is put out there, that the Jets can easly win 3 of the next for games by someone like Adam Schein, the Jets believe its a gimme. Listening to Braylon after the game, my comments seem dead on. This team is a bunch of paper champs.

by YankeesJets on Nov 15, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Brady or Manning?

The debate on NBC right now. Harrison and Dungy arguing.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions  

I’m not really sure it’s much of a debate at this point if you look at the way Manning’s carried that team the past two years with a suspect supporting cast. Also doing it while injured pretty badly for much of 2008.

Peter King’s book tells a pretty unbelievable story of what Manning was playing through last year.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Harrison’s argument is “Brady has three rings.”

Dungy responded, “So does Troy Aikman. Does that make his better than Brett Favre?”

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Those two?

I wonder who they are going to pick

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by Jadden Hopkins on Nov 15, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to go with Harrison on this debate

Brady had no namers on the offense, Manning had stars on the offense. In a big game, I’m taking Brady every time. I still think Pennington got jobbed last year. He was the MVP, not Manning.

by YankeesJets on Nov 15, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

I used to be a Brady guy back when Manning was combusting every January, but I’ve converted. Brady didn’t have much at skill positions early in his career, but he did have a great defense and the greatest coach of his generation. His team won 11 years last year with a dude who hadn’t started since high school.

Manning’s carried his team these past two years with no running game. The Colts wouldn’t win 6 games any year of his career with Jim Sorgi under center.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets not forget that BB is a defensive guy

Manning has had the same coaching staff his whole career, while Brady has been with a bunch of different offensive coordinators. Last years 11 win team had the same easy schedule the Jets couldnt take care of. They had both West divisions on the schedule, and they still had a great line and talent at the WR position. During Brady’s SB run, he had nobodys at WR and RB. Manning is to Brady, what Marino is to Montana. Well except Montana had Rice.

by YankeesJets on Nov 15, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t agree. Manning’s won a Super Bowl and did it by overcoming an 18 point deficit on BB’s defense in the AFC Championship. He’s not Marino. He’s also a big winner.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Ouch, SI Writer Don Banks Is calling the Jets phony

Saying they have been proven to be frauds. Now this article, I want the Jets to read.

by YankeesJets on Nov 15, 2009 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

Very true.

The 3-0 start is long over, no time for we’ll win next week. It’s all over if we lose to the Pats next week. 2 games behind wc right now and maybe 3 to Pats.

by Jerrad p on Nov 15, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

Frankly I don’t think this team goes to the Playoffs without winning out.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I think 10 wins could get the sixth seed too though.

But can anyone see us going 6-1 the way we’ve been playing lately and with Indianapolis, New England, Atlanta, and Cinci still on the schedule.

by Jerrad p on Nov 15, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions  

we needed to go 7-1 after the bye

well, we got the 1 out of the way early…

can we get the 7?

and the home of the... JETS!!!

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by dvdvil on Nov 15, 2009 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

Not if we play like we have been

Not a chance in hell

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 15, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if we don't make the playoffs

How sweet would it be to sweep the Pats.

by Jerrad p on Nov 15, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

Very

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess

To be honest though, I’m getting a little sick of these ‘minor season victories’, It’s time for the big bang

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 15, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ditto

but it’s looking like that’s the best we can hope for this year.

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by John B on Nov 15, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

while the Pats are up by 10. Houston, Miami, Jacksonville, SanDiego, Pittsburgh, Baltimore all ahead of us for 2 spots and we have the toughest schedule out of all them…not looking good.

by Jerrad p on Nov 15, 2009 10:28 PM EST reply actions  

All the drought of the Cubs

and half of the fan fare.

Any other Jets fans think they’re just fans because they’re pessimists?

by Bro Namath on Nov 16, 2009 12:04 AM EST reply actions  

Don't think so

Well personally I’m notoriously a optimist, so nothing there, and a lot of Cubs fans I know are extreme optimists. So I doubt it

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 16, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

some jets fans

are actually optimistic beyond reason

and the home of the... JETS!!!

Go, Pac, Go!!! Manny Pacquiao!!!

by dvdvil on Nov 16, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

Seen it a few times where the heart is definitely ruling the head

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by David_Wyatt on Nov 16, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Beat the Pats and were right back into the division race. But that doesn’t happen the way we’re playing now…and i don’t think the Pats have lost 2 in a row in over 50 games that is frightening.

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