Dolphins 30 Jets 25: Sick to My Stomach
by John B on Nov 1, 2009 7:36 PM EST
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PrintI don't think the Jets could have gone into the bye on a worse note. Today's 30-25 loss to Miami at the Meadowlands stings. It drops the Jets to 4-4, one and a half games in back of the Patriots in the division, two in the loss column. The Dolphins are just half a game back, even in the loss column, and holding the head to head tiebreaker in addition to a 3-0 division record. The Jets are 1-3 in division.
Beyond the frustration of losing is the way the Jets lost. It's very difficult to win in the NFL when you're spotting the opponent 21 nonoffensive points. All of these points had more to do with what the Jets didn't do than what the Dolphins did right.
More after the jump.
The Bad:
Kickoff Coverage: I guess it goes without saying that kickoff coverage belongs here when the opponent runs a pair of kicks back for touchdowns. The Jets looked like they were Purdue against Ted Ginn. There were so many errors on the kicks, it wasn't even funny. There was Jay Feely drilling it too low on the first one. Danny Woodhead didn't contain to the outside. Wallace Wright took a bad angle to Ginn. Larry Izzo whiffed on a tackle on the second one. Guys didn't stay in their lanes. Against a speedster like Ginn, that's asking for trouble. I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one guy on kickoff coverage released between now and the next game.
Larry Izzo: Wasn't he supposed to be on the roster for his special teams play? There was his missed tackle on Ginn, but there was also the inexplicable running into the punter penalty. He had no shot at blocking a punt and still dove into the punter. Izzo is a candidate to be that guy released.
Shonn Greene: Even when Mark Sanchez has been bad, I've gone easy on him. It's rough adjusting to the NFL for a quarterback. So much is different from college. A rookie running back doesn't get the same kind of slack. Sure, there are some things that are different. One is the extra blocking duties. The defenders are also bigger and stronger. Still, you have to hold onto the football. His unforced fumble was a total gift to Jason Taylor.
Justin Miller: Is he in game shape? He looked pretty ordinary on returns (5 for 115). It seemed like he had trouble getting quickly to his lanes and breaking tackles.
Alan Faneca: Lost a ton of one on one battles, including a decisive Randy Starks sack.
The Good:
The Defense: The defense deserved better. It only allowed 9 points, and 3 were the result of a short field. The blitzes got to Chad Henne this time, even though the 'Fins did many of the same things they did in the first game like max protecting and rolling him out. 6 sacks on Chad Henne and only 112 passing yards. Henne got rattled and made some terribly inaccurate throws when he heard footsteps. Ronnie Brown had under 3 yards per carry. Ricky Williams was just over 3. Just a dominant performance by the defense. It avenged its only poor performance of the year. This unit has played much better than its 4-4.
Mark Sanchez: No question the rookie was the best quarterback on the field. The disastrous third quarter put the Jets behind two scores. Although the coaching staff was very conservative early, they had no choice but to let Sanchez cut it loose. Mark put 22 up in the second half (with an assist from Davone Bess) and had the Jets on the verge of a winning touchdown. The Dolphins covered New York's receivers on the goal line, and the offensive line had a breakdown. Not Mark's fault. He did make an incredible throw to Dustin Keller on fourth and long to prolong the drive. Great touch on the ball.
Dustin Keller: Where has this guy been all year? 8 catches for 76 yards and a great grab on the receiving end of that fourth down play. I'll give the coaching staff some credit too. Miami's struggled covering the tight end, and it seems like the calls made Keller Sanchez's primary read. Is this the start of big things? Will he become Mark's safety blanket? Stay tuned.
Braylon Edwards: 4 catches for 74 yards and a touchdown. Certified Dolphin killer. And if you ever question his heart, watch the way he fought his way into the end zone on the touchdown grab.
Thomas Jones: Another 100 yard day. The average wasn't too great, but put it in context. The Dolphins were loading up the box all day. There were a lot of times nothing was there. He made a lot of guys miss.
Sione Pouha: Miami's vaunted rushing attack gained 2.3 per carry. Pouha was a force inside clogging lanes. He had 5 tackles and opened things up for others.
Shaun Ellis: Nice of him to finally show up this year. He had 1.5 sacks and generally won his matchups on the line. The way Miami was leaving extra blockers in, guys were going to have to win their matchups to get to him.
David Harris: 5 tackles and a sack. He was all over the place.
Bart Scott: 8 tackles and the sack that got the Jets the ball back for their last drive with a chance to win. So was he.
Defensive Approach: Give the staff credit. They adjusted well from the first game. The Wildcat was held in check. The Jets did a much better job of staying in their lanes. They also sent extra men from the secondary. It worked. It may have left them vulnerable to the pass, but they closed on Brown well and forced him to eat it for a big loss and got a ball deflected both times he was looking to throw it. The fact is the formation is usually a running formation. Passes are going to be few and far between. When they do try to throw it, Brown isn't putting it up unless he has a guy wide open and isn't under pressure. He's not trained to throw. It's always best to attack him with extra men even if it leaves a guy open. Force the running back to make a throw.
I also liked the Pace-Gholston-Ellis-Westerman line on passing downs.
We saw plenty of the Ellis-Green-Pouha-Douglas line and Pace-Harris-Scott linebacking look I predicted to stop the run. It worked.
Again, Henne was on the run all day and got hit so much he felt heat and rushed his throws even when there was none.
I don't expect this to be a fun bye. This team should not have lost this game. The Jets lost the first game to Miami because the Dolphins outexecuted them. They lost this game because they self-destructed. Give the Dolphins credit for not self-destructing I guess, but there's no way this team should be 4-4 at the halfway point. That's where we're at, though. At this point, we have a mediocre football team on our hands.
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It's hard to be angry at the main parts of the game.
The offense, particularly the passing game, was really good. The running game, besides Shonn Greene’s fumble, was adequate.
The defense was great. Way to go for our guys to stop the Wildcat.
Really was bad coverage on special teams that lost the game for us. What a shame.
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Indeed
Unfortunately it seems like I’ve had more good’s than bad’s in losses this year. It’s just those bad things are so putrid that they’re decisive.
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But the same could be said about the dolphins O and D
Just like our ST sucked, the Dolphins Offense and Defense sucked today. And you can’t really say it was a gift, Because wasn’t the Bess Muff a bigger Gift, there are no gifts in Football, reason Greene fumbled was because he had it striped from a great Defensive player, reason bess muffed it was because he was looking at the jets players.
by 3YanksBuckeyes on Nov 1, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t agree.
This is the NFL. Those kind of errors are not acceptable.
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Whatever man
But 4-4 going into the bye week is not bad, before the season started i said we were going to go 8-8, because come on, Top 5 toughest schedule in the NFL, rookie QB, Even Manning won like what 3 games in his rookie year,
by 3YanksBuckeyes on Nov 1, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
It's easy to have a good game against our pass defense
Our defense makes everyone look like Peyton Manning…..except for Trent Edwards. But seriously, you guys played a good game and in reality should have won. Kind of like when we played the Colts earlier this year (DAMN you Peyton Manning and Dallas Clark)
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 2, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Hard for Braylon to be a "Dolphin Killer" if he hasn't won any games for them :/
Ronnie Brown is the man
Nice defensive game
This game was a very heavy defensive game and both teams added up to making some big mistakes. The game winning factor here is that our defense did more than yours did.
See what we managed to do was STEAL the game, not receive a gift wrapped package. That just makes our game winning defense > Jets Offense and Defense no matter the numbers. Makes sense seeing how a bunch of you are acting like children missing their candy ;)
The Miami defense in no way played better than the Jets defense today.
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sorry to point this out but...
Dolphins have a better TDs to field goals ratio than Jets
Dolphins had more red zone stops
The Dolphin’s defense scored points
…and when you account the for the Jets gaining extra opportunities on offense due to the Dolphins putting points up before their offense had to do anything, the numbers are really the same save a couple rookie-ish mistakes.. oh and the extra turnover against the Jets
The Jets had more points per minute with the ball and averaged over twice as many yards per offensive snap.
Botton line: Jets defense played better
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I'm not discrediting the Jets defense
But there is no game handing when the Jets have slightly better numbers and better secondary coverage (discounted by extra possessions without the points).
The Dolphins defense stepped up and made the bigger plays. Very defensive battle.
the doplhins d
scored points on a rookie, normally 3rd string, running back’s mistake. relax.
ITS TIME FOR A GREEN OUT!
by greenNwhite4life on Nov 2, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
"His UNFORCED fumble was a total gift to Jason Taylor."
Were you watching the game? Paul Soliai clearly stripped the ball.
Yes, I watched
When you’re going to the ground, you need to protect the football.
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That's called getting beat buddy. By this last comment you should be spending your time complimenting Henne
Henne took some sacks today but didn’t lose the ball. His faith in the offensive line was just a bit over the top.
Well said
about his faith in the offensive line being too generous.. The fact of the matter is, the offensive line quite generally blew today.
I’ll be the first to admit that we were quite lucky to walk out of the Meadowlands with another W in that column.
Honestly though Gang Green Nation and JB, as tough as it is to swallow this loss, the whole New York Jets theme of making excuses needs to go.
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Excuses?
I haven’t made any excuses for the Jets. Their miscues were not excusable. They failed to execute. That’s not an excuse.
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You, perhaps not.
Everybody else in the organization seems to have.
I find it rather sickening that Jerricho Cotchery is the single person having any connection to the Jets gave the Dolphins credit without taking away from Miami’s win in any way.
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I guess, but I tend to think you guys take this stuff too personally. If it was me, I’d just enjoy the win. Who cares what the other guys say?
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Because you're showing a lack of respect
If that’s not a forced fumble then what is? An unforced fumble was Bess’s fumble on the fair catch, now that’s a gift. Start showing some respect; Soliai made a great play and FORCED a fumble. Idiot.
Yes, the Bess play was a gift. No question.
Greene’s fumble was due to him not protecting the football. Guys swat at the ball on just about every play. It wasn’t a great play by Solai. Some strips are. That was Greene not putting it away.
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Perhaps.
But hey, there’s a chance that if you went 1-15 a couple years ago I think you’d likely take any downplaying of Miami as a team or their efforts on the field as a direct shot. The Jets got a lot of respect and media attention last year when the Jets were the “team to beat” after your dominant start to the season.
We go 11-5, somehow, and win the division. We got less respect than the freaking Bills for that.
Now, we’re 3-0 in the division and we still suck. We just take wins that “good teams give away.”
I think you’d be seeing things from our perspective if you stood in those shoes. That’s all I’m sayin’.
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Now, we’re 3-0 in the division and we still suck. We just take wins that "good teams give away."
Not really. Go back and check what I said after the first game. I gave the Dolphins all the credit in the world. They whipped the Jets.
In this game, the Jets made a ton of errors. I feel like they gave it away more than the Dolphins took it this time. That’s how I see it.
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Its rare for a team not to make errors
its easy to only see your teams mistakes and say that was the fault, but you can put the game away by making the play that capitalizing on mistakes… that is just part of the game.
For example I’ll be first to admit that the “broken equipment” dropped pass by Bess (on 3rd down) in our first meeting goes way overlooked on our forums.
You need to bring the three areas
offence, defence and special teams, and we didn’t do that today, and that’s why we are sitting here at 4-4. Understand that Dolphins fans want to celebrate the victory and why not, we would be the same, what I don’t understand are all these holier than thou fans coming over and talking rubbish about the organization as a whole, when in the grand scheme of things, we have the better record right now (just), so it’s not like you guys are blowing anyone’s minds. Enjoy the victory, congratulations. However keep the advice on the organization to yourself. (not yourself, Phins fans in general)
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leadership
If you want to know why holier than thou fans come over to talk rubbish, it’s part of the leadership of the team you follow. The jets players and coach will not give the dolphins respect. last game we used a “gimmick” formation (that we’ve been using for quite some time, so when is it not a gimmick anymore?) today the jets d outplayed us, but we managed a win anyway. rex should be teaching his team how to win and lose gracefully. this blog is about the jets, and becomes our outlet to speak out
I don't think it's leadership
So one or two players have been idiots, how many Jets players are there, Cotch gave credit and he is one of biggest leaders on the team. I haven’t heard Harris talking trash etc, way too much generalizing going on. Rex needs to learn how to lose, people forget that he is a rookie, when Baltimore lost, cameras were not shoved in his face immediately. It’s a learning curve, and I agree that some of the guys need to just hold there hands up and be gracious in defeat, but this is a learning curve for some of these guys, so it’s not necessarily going to be a long term issue. Rex will eventually get this, but just like I won’t jump on Sanchez 8 games into his tenure as a Jet, I’m not going to jump all over Rex either.
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Agreed
Your post after the first game was very respectful. I can’t say the same for many other Jet’s fans, players, and coaches though. And the Jets certainly made many mistakes today, but either way you look at it, the Dolphins made less mistakes and hence in that respect were the better team.
As with the last few posts
I’m speaking more generally than anything else. Yes, you have been giving credit where credit is due, not quite making excuses, and overall a “good” opponent.
For that I’m appreciative.
Outside of you and a few other fans on this blog, that’s just not the way it’s been going for us.
I’m not here to argue, really. Nor am I not enjoying our win. As you would, I certainly am.
Just somewhat peeved that a Miami win is explained by the same old is all.
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Favre got a lost of respect
the Jets are continously looked over by the media, it was Favre not the jets getting the credit.
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John....C'mon....
If miscues are not excusable, and failing to execute is not an excuse…
Then every loss by every team in every sport is explained away as failing to perform?
The english language has come up with slang for that. Its called a Loss.
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where to start
Braylon is in a contract year so lets not put it all on heart.
I give your team as much credit as I do in our Colts loss. Lots on individual wins but not the one that counts. Boils down to big plays.
Henne dealt with the pressure well considering it was his first away start. No turnovers which is the key. Sanchez was clearly not the better QB due to his showing with a homefield advantage…speaking of hfa…
Your stadium was quiet today which shocked me.
You need to learn how to lose before you’ll ever learn to win. Leadership is what takes you to the next level as well as accountability, two things that seem to be lacking in the Jets.
I’d keep going but its like teaching my dog to talk. Deep down all of you are a living organization of the blind leading the blind. Maybe one day you’ll get lucky, wake up and realize your front office is a joke. They’re making deals for all the wrong reasons and its beginning to show.
Pace-way overpaid
Gholston-way overpaided
Sanchez-rushed onto the field lacking experience and life in general
Faneca-owed too much late in career
Ferguson-seems to be regressing
Edwards-wants to be overpaid and you’ve already given up picks and trusted players for him
Rhodes-showing signs of bad influence by Ryan and Scott
Scott-overpaid based on his classless comments and lack responsibility.
Ryan-the opposite of leader of men. The anti-leader and ultimate poison to a roster. A desperate hire by a desperate GM. There’s a reason why the Ravens went with a an unexperienced secondary coach from Philly over him.
Go Yanks
by special agent wildcat on Nov 1, 2009 8:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not a baseball fan
this Phillies/Yankees game is not bad, although Posada must of slept with Suts wife as he has been trashing him for the best part of an hour.
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Baseball season ended for me a while ago, being a SF Giants fan. The broadcasters on Fox are awful
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yer they are terrible
baseball season ended for me quite some time ago as well, but got a lot of Yankee fan friends and can’t stand the Phillies. Actually muted the coverage now it’s that bad.
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too tossed to care
my season ended a while ago too. being a Mets fan, do you root for the cross town Yankees? Or your rival Phillies? what a choice!
That’s gotta be rough, but gotta go with the Phils. I can not for any reason root for the Yankees
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Sophies choice
A littler easier than that one but along the same lines.
I can’t stand the Phillies, probably the most classless fanbase there is in sports.
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Cubs fan for some time
neither NY team ever took me. So with the Jets/Cubs/Knicks and Rangers, I really don’t like winning too much lol
Yourself?
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That's pretty bad
I’ve got the SF Giants/Jets/Nets & Nuggets/Devils, not quite as bad but not exactly the greatest franchises lol
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Big Yankees fan
Actually kept a blog on them for a few years. Kind of gave up on it after I landed this gig, but I’ve kept the domain name. I’d like to start it up again some day.
I went to Boston College. My freshman year was 2004. It was ugly. I didn’t really have an NBA team so I picked up the Celtics the year they were gunning for the Oden/Durant lottery. Kind of feel like a bandwagoner the way they’ve taken off.
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Well at least tyou have some success
Also the Boston College link is as good as reason as any. Take it you are a BC fan then for NCAA?
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Yup. I also follow Penn State football because my dad’s family is originally from Western PA. Legend has it my great grandfather used to jump the fence, grab helmets, and run onto the field with the team pretending to be an equipment boy, but BC is my school. This sure gave me an interesting perspective since they fired their football coach last year for interviewing with the Jets.
I don’t follow hockey much anymore, but I was always a Lemieux fan when I was growing up so I adopted the Penguins.
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Damn Penguins
After the football season we may well be falling out lol, really can’t stand the Penguins. Massive Rangers fan so hoping the Rangers pick their game up again.Probably not the right time to mention I’m ND fan either, not after last week ;) only a ND football fan though, Syracuse basketball all day. No affiliations to any US college so thought would spread the support around.
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Uh oh Rangers and Penguins fans. Big Devils fan here. Rangers/Devils/and Penguins should battle all year. Been a Syracuse fan every since I moved to NY in the late 90s which was before I went to college.
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
In the off-season
we should host some hockey debates on here lol Always think there is something about hockey fans, in a sport that promotes fighting, all the fans are civilised towards each other the majority of the time.
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I agree, though I don’t know how civilised it would be between Rangers and Devils fans lol
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well I don’t follow hockey that much anymore so I’ll play nice. Funny, though, the guy who runs the Penguins blog on SBN is also a Jets fan. What are the odds a Jets fan runs the Penguins blog, and a Penguins fan the Jets blog?
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That is a little strange
wonder what the connection is, could it just be that he was also a Lemeiux fan growing up. My interest in the NHL increases each year the Knicks suck lol
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Not sure whether you knew this, but the CEO of SB Nation is also a Jets fan….not looking to add any pressure when you write ;-)
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Dam your ass got owned
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How do you deal with it?
I can’t anymore.
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gotta root for the yanks man. im a mets fan myself, but when in doubt, go for the Big Apple
ITS TIME FOR A GREEN OUT!
by greenNwhite4life on Nov 2, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
I'm hoping for a New York sweep
between the fins and the phillies, but I think the Yankees are probably too tough. Great football game today though, and I love that this rivalry has heated up again. I think the personalities of the two teams—coaches and qbs especially—contrast so sharply that it makes for good theater.
by Brooklynfinfan on Nov 1, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Too much rex ryan, can make anyone sick, I guess. lol. These games jets/dolphins get me too. I remember when the Jets were beating us all of the time. I felt that way, too. Really, I think that they are evenly matched, it could have been just as easily a win for you guys. At the end of the day, its only a game and has no bearing on our lives, so everyone should shake hands, and wait until next year when we can go through this all over again.
Well said
What are these games if not fun? A couple of classics this year.
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Best comment all day
Couldn’t agree more with that. Fun is why you watch sport,
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I thought that last year this rivalry didn't need any more fuel.
Then the Rex Ryan/Channing Crowder thing happened. Then the Monday night game and the following week happened. Then the buildup to Sunday happened, and the talk on both sides continued, before, during, and after.
It’s amazing — this may be turning into the NFL’s most heated rivalry if it hasn’t already.
You know what else I’ve noticed. The last two years have been about quarterbacks. Last year it was Pennington vs. his old team. This year, it’s two (it is too early to say this?) talented QBs and a lot of bad blood.
I hope we both make the playoffs — I want a Game 3 this year. I think this stuff is fun.
tell that to Bart Scott and Rex Ryan
they are the root of this for me. Take a loss like a man and stop making bad examples.
Honest to god I lost my voice and made threats at the Colts game. The second the clock struck 0:00 I tried to wish as many of them good luck as I could and congrats on the W. I’d don’t feel like the Pats disrespect us like Jets fans do. I’ll always hate the Pats but it the competition is always fairly clean.
Jets fans troll the radio down here and Jets fans find their way onto the Fins blogs and have for some time. I don’t think you have too many watching over here or Pats fans. Not many Pats trolls because they don’t have much to prove that they haven’t proven on the field.
Pats fans don’t make excuses either.
Go Yanks
by special agent wildcat on Nov 1, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Tony Dungee said it best
on Sunday Night in America, to refute what Wrecks Cryin, sorry Rex Ryan, said “We outplayed them”…TD – “Not if you cant play special teams and stop 2 KO returns, you did not out play them”.
Hey David and John
Do you guys think that Brian Schottenheimer needs to re-think his play calling? I mean what on earth was he thinking when he called for the 2 pass plays after the Dustin Keller 4th down catch?
Absolutely
I had a problem in the 2nd with the pass calls he called inside the Dolphins 10 when we kicked the FG. You have to run the football IMO, it just comes back to what I wrote last Monday I think it was, he is infuriating, one excellently called game and then one bad one.
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Is there a solution to this? I mean if this continues through the season you don’t think he will be fired do you? When was the last time the Jets had an offense that people feared and now we have all the personnel to do that. I feel like the play-calling not the players are holding this offense back.
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Possibly fired
or he moves on to be a HC, he seems to be highly regarded in NFL circles, and has been touted as a future HC, now personally I don’t really see it, and think he may be living off of Marty’s legacy. So far he has made no glaring errors that makes me believe that he will be fired, so it might just be a case of him having to correct his own mistakes. Sometimes he gets it absolutely spot on, like the Houston game and the Oakland one, the NE one was pretty well done as well.
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I can’t really see him getting fired. The owner seems to love him. From what I understand, Woody really wanted Schotty retained. I can understand why. He seems like he’s a good interview. There’s no question with his pedigree he has great knowledge of X’s and O’s. The problem is with how he applies that knowledge.
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I agree, just want some much needed consistency
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
He will get there
I think he is still finding his feet re-adapting his offence from the Favre era last year and now scaling it back a little for Sanchez. I’m impressed with the re-adjustment that Sanchez has made. it seems he came in, the league made a adjustment to him and now he has gone straight back and readjusted again.
Plenty of positives to take with this offence.
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Oh I completely agree and now with Edwards & Cotchery back it should get better from here. Ughh I miss Leon already.
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
PFT
just called you a band of paper airplanes….classic
by special agent wildcat on Nov 1, 2009 10:57 PM EST reply actions
Still can't believe...
Ted freakin Ginn ran TWO returns back on us!
Ginn is a future HOF'er
Mark my words, he will go in the same year as Vernon Gholston, Derek Anderson and JaMarcuss Russell :-)
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Can we please please please get a do over on the Gholston pick?
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Patience is wearing a little thin
been a Gholston apologiser for the best part of a year and a half but it’s getting to that stage now where I’m starting to agree with people and the ‘bust’ tag. Just looking at what Brian Cushing is doing with the Texans this year, that’s what I thought Gholston would be doing for us.
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You’ve pointed out many times that Gholston is improving. He’s become a decent rotational player. However, you obviously don’t take a top 10 pick on a guy to be a rotational player.
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Yep improvement is there but very slow
I thought when he was starting he was really coming on, now back to the rotational system he is very expensive 3rd down linebacker. I’m just hoping that we get in a play maker on the defensive line (ends) in the first round of 2010.
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I’m thinking at this point, the first and second pick have to be on the front seven.
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Would agree there
I think that’s if we sign Edwards, if not we need to add a receiver early IMO. Edwards constantly says he wants to be here, but at the end of the day it’s about the $$$. I do think he will be here though, so two front 7 picks sounds good to me.
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yeah, Is there any reason that the Jets FO wouldn’t shell out the money to keep Edwards with what he has done so quickly with this team?
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Right
My assumption was Edwards resigns. If not, this looks like a fairly deep year at receiver in the Draft.
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I don't see any way we don't re-sign Edwards
I would be shocked if we didn’t. One guy I would love receiving wise on this team, and it’s a selfish biased choice but Golden Tate. That guy is special, not sure he comes out in 2010 or not.
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Yes
He looks like a real player. My guess is we won’t be able to land Benn or Bryant.
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Na, I think defensive end without a doubt
Might do a look at the draft and potential players we could draft this week during the bye week.
Something to fill the time.
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Do you think we need address some of the age on the OL? just a thought. I would really like a DE or a shutdown corner opposite Revis but this is all just rosterbating
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Were not bad
age wise on the O-line apart from Faneca, the rest have a few years left in them. Defensive line is a much bigger need. I have faith in Sheppard, just need to get him healthy.
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I’ve flip floped so many times on Lito, I thought he was a great sign and then I watched him play and didn’t like what I saw. I hope your right
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Lito
I’ve actually thought he’s been pretty solid when he’s been in there. The problem is he hasn’t been able to get on the field much. We knew that was the risk. His health was the reason the Eagles never gave him that big contract.
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I’m pretty happy with Lowery at corner. I think he’s the goods. Woody and Faneca aren’t getting any younger, but they’re still playing at a high level. I think DL is such a pressing need, they can try and stick with this OL for another year.
I’ve seen some mocks having Mount Cody falling to us. Man, I’d be thrilled with that. Him and Jenkins next to each other. That’d be great.
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Oh I totally agree that the DL is the most pressing need. Oh man if Cody fell to us that would amazing. But I just don’t see him falling to us since there are plenty of 3-4 teams.
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
I guess it depends
Just how the rest of this season goes as to if he will fall to us or not. Would take that every single day though, would be a classic line. Shaun Ellis has really been disappointing this year, think he may of smocked too much pot.
Lito has been solid, same as John, need to get him on the field and get him healthy. Revis/Sheppard/Strickland and Lowery, I like those 4 corners.
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Interesting point.
Who do you think we take? Flacco? Mayo?
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I’m looking at the 08 draft right now and it wasn’t very deep on DE/LB rushers like Ware or Suggs or someone like that. But I’d say we take Flacco only because we didn’t need a backer like Mayo when we have Harris. But I dunno the 08 draft wasn’t great for our needs, that’s why I think they reached with Gholston
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
It’s interesting to think how thinks may have turned out. I think Mangini’s still the coach if Flacco is the choice.
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Even had the team gone 9-7 a different way, I doubt Mangini would have been fired. I think the combo of Favre and the 8-3 start inflated expectations. Without either, he makes a fourth year IMO.
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I’m perfectly happy that Mangini is not the coach anymore.
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
So am I. Not sure when you started reading, but I really turned on him after the Seattle game last year.
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I’ve been reading since around the beginning of last year, but yeah my memory for specific plays isn’t that great. But just watching him flounder talented teams and his clock management, along with his stoic demeanor.
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I liked the hiring
however I turned around the same time as John, the Seattle game really wrapped it up for me.
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Yeah
Even when everybody was going crazy over the hire, I wasn’t that thrilled. It seemed like he got the job on the sole basis of Bill Belichick liking the guy.
I gave him a shot and was pretty positive until that game. No sacks with all five OL on IR. Not going for it on fourth and an inch. Pulling Feely off the field….just horrible
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It was that 4th and inch play that turned it for me
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Agree
Getting Favre and not making the play-offs after the start, was a risk and it cost him his job. Even though I doubt he had any say in Favre at all.
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Wyatt - Ginn's jersey prob does go to the HOF - NFL record - 2 KO returns for TD's of 100 or more yards - never done before
and first time since 19 freakin’ 67 that 2 KO returns for TD in the same quarter
Ronnie Brown’s jersey went to the HOF for the Pats game week 3 last year – 4 rush TD’s & 1 pass TD – so why not Ginn’s?
And maybe this is the corner Ted had to turn to become a great WR? Only time will tell.
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its been fun
good luck and hopefully you’ll start taking blame instead of placing it. You know where to find me when your fanbase needs the inevitable intervention from the lies and BS your force fed.
It took a lot of Wanstache BS to realize the mistakes being made back then, you’ll learn.
by special agent wildcat on Nov 1, 2009 11:17 PM EST reply actions
Great, Joba blows the lead. Just the perfect way to cap this day off.
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Feliz was sitting on that one there
Have a lot of respect for Jeter, especially with his dating record lol
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Jeter is easily a Dating HOF first ballot inductee lol
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
lol amen to that
Now A-Rod is dating Kate Hudson he has to be close, she is awesome.
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Yeah but he was linked to Madonna before that… yikes
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I heard a theory that was an image thing. Someone said A-Rod wanted to be like DiMaggio and saw Madonna as this generation’s Marilyn Monroe.
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Good point
that’s quite possible, although he probably saw a picture of her and thought, not worth the icon status, lets go with Hudson.
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lol
He was going through some things, but that forced the divorce that landed him Hudson, so maybe there was something to his weird choice of Madonna.
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I was ready to punch Johnny Damon through the tv screen until I realized nobody was covering third.
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Can’t watch the WS anymore after my giants were 6 outs away in 2002, just brings up too many bad memories.
by RevisIsland24 on Nov 1, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
They have to put A-Rod on.
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Yess
They dont and he makes them pay, CLUUTTTCCCHHH
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's game over
Two run double and Mariano are coming in.
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Typical excellent baserunning by Jorge Posada.
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lol
wondered what the hell he was doing, both runs were obviously going to score so the throw was always coming into 2nd.
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Reality Check
Why do I feel like the only Jets fan that knows exactly what this organization is about. They are a bunch of losers. They’ve consistently disappointed me throughout my entire life. No Matter who the coach is, or what personnel they have. This is just a losing organization and I’m sick of it. Whenever one thing is working, something else isn’t. Sanchez needs time, but looks like a deer in headlights right now. Running backs look okay. Receivers, well, who knows when they will show up and when they won’t. BUT CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY NOBODY REALIZES THAT KERRY RHODES IS ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. HE IS A CHEERLEADER. I HAVEN’T SEEN HIM DO ONE POSITIVE THING THIS YEAR. You never hear his name, yet he claims he is as good as ED REED. MY A**. There should be some light shed on how bad he is. Also, special teams, wtf. I guess they had to do it, because, as usual, the Jets need to find a way to lose, and since it wasn’t Sanchez today, or the defense, they felt they had to step it up. Job well done guys. Thanks for making it so much fun to be a Jets fan.
Rhodes hasn’t been the same kind of impact player since he got that contract.
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Agree with a lot of that
apart from Sanchez looking like a deer in headlights, I thought he has looked pretty composed all season minus the Saints and Bills game. 2 of 8 as a rookie, will take that. Rhodes talks too much and doesn’t do enough, too worried about his image and off the field engagements. Backs have been very good, the O-line was the problem early in the season. Thinking a lot of that is a frustration rant but everyone needs one. We have a lot of positives on this year, but right now they take a back seat.
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There are many positives every year, give or take a couple when the season was doomed bc of injuries. However, the positives have NEVER been enough to outweigh the negatives. Yes, this certainly is a frustration rant, but I wonder if this frustration will ever subside. Because I am not frustrated as today. This is the same frustration that this team has been causing me for the past 22 years. Also, back to the Kerry Rhodes issue…I just need for him to stop with his antics in between plays. Trying to pump up the crowd, or signaling the direction of a penalty that turned out not to be an actual penalty. He needs to understand that nobody cares to hear it from him as long as he’s “invisible”. Those are the kinds of things that impact players/leaders should be in charge of. Not delusional, non-impact players.
Yup
43 years old been a fan my whole life used to drive home from college to watch games, would run on commercials so as not to miss a play. couldn’t sleep after a loss. Now I expect and accept adversity. I have been slowly trying to ween myself from this team for years. I now hate the cheatriots more then I like the Jets. The season is a success for me as long as the cheatriots do not win the superbowl. I am a fan of whoever plays the cheatriots each week. Damn you Jets for ruining football for me. Talk about any player on the team. It doesn’t matter cause each week it will be someone else who lets us down.
by cheater hater on Nov 2, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Dolphin's fan here.
Let me start off by saying ’ I hate Rex and the Jets" but I definitely give you guys credit, I was sweating bullets by the end of that game. It was anyones game and I thought you guys were going to pull the same thing on us that we did 2 U at the end of the last game, but Sparano was smart enough to use his time outs at the end of the game (even tho we didnt need it). Anyway, It you guys played a good game just couldnt finish it when you needed to. Dont feel bad it happens to us quite often also (I thought it was gonna happen today). Sux going into a bye after a loss like this tho.
Yer, been a please guys
Will catch you all tomorrow with some new Jets stuff up, we will not be down hearted for long. Back to work.
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It’ll be interesting to see where the approval rating goes for Rex.
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lol oh god
a road loss took him to mid 40’s, could see him fall into the 20’s this week.
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Have a goodnight everyone and as always...
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!
I give your defense credit for shutting down the run game
but the WC isnt dead by a long shot
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Porter: To crush The Jets, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of Mark Sanchez
Oh, Jets.....tsk, tsk, tsk
When will you all realize that until the day comes in which you cease to be the typical cocky New Yorkers that you are that don’t give credit to anyone, your team will be cursed with perennial failure. In case you do not know, a football does not just consist of offensive and defensive units, but special teams as well. So if you dominate 2 out of the 3, it does not guarantee a win. As you witnessed today, special teams count. So, no, the Jets did not hand anything over. They just did not win. They allowed Ginn to run two 100 yard kickoffs back for tds. There was no handing off there, just plain dominance by Ginn over your piss-poor special teams unit.
I haven’t even mentioned anything about JT’s fumble recovery.
It was nice sweeping you this year!
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Its pretty amazing
How Matty I is just so much more classy then John B. Ive never seen a more biased blogger who literally cry’s and complains after every loss and blames everyone but the jets themselves. Learn to take your losses like men for once in your existence. Well.. i guess it fits your team right, a bunch of fat mouth talkers who cannot backup a thing where it matters. Get some class
Your problem is your coach,
You guys have some serious talent and could of swept the Dolphins but Rexxy blows the time out decision in the first game and didn’t have your special teams ready the next. Come on New York, hold that asshole accountable. He has a big mouth and can’t back it up. Special Teams is a part of the game…Thanks Rexxy, thanks for being the first coach since Ritchie Kotite to give my boys a sweep!
12-4 in 2009.
My thoughts on our beloved Jets' future
I’ve been pretty down on Sanchez and it isn’t going to change, in fact I bet most of GGN will echo the same by week 4 or 5 next season, thats after we finish this season at 7-9. First off the pounding that was put on the Raiders doesn’t count in my book because everyone knows the Raiders can’t stop the run and the jets have a great run game, ok well maybe the eagles but 50 yards on 6 carries for Westbrook should have gave them a hint to run more but anyway, we were lucky that the dolphins have a poor defense because and team with a mediocre defense would have had at least 4 INTs with 2 of them going to the house, a good defense would have had 6 INTs no problem. Our next game against the jags will be tough but should still be winnable if we can run the ball and don’t end up in a passing situation. Against New England will be a different story, we will fall behind and end up trying to pass tha ball and it is going to be bad, I say this because everyone in the league has now seen the revamped, Rex Ryan/Jets defense and the good teams that have prepared for it are having success so I’m doubtful that we are going to play with a lead during the patriots game. Now I know Sanchez is still a rookie but come on, the 8th week just concluded and we still keep seeing the same throws that are going to cause problems when playing good teams not to mention the elite teams, and Sundays numbers are very misleading, half of Sanchez’s passing yards came off of screen passes against the dolphins poor pass D, throws down field and quick out patterns are going to be this teams weakness with the lack of arm strength from Sanchez and those types of throws are going to be needed when playing catch up. I really hope I’m wrong but when I watch Sanchez play all I see is another overrated college QB who is going to be nothing more than a game manager for a team that has a good running game right now but with aging RBs and O-Line I’m thinking we are, at sometime, going to need a good passing game to compete for a division title.
I understand
But remember he’s a rookie. Sanchez is a good quarterback, as is evidenced for now by his statistics last night. Yes, he’s inconsistent, but that’s part of being a rookie QB. I have really high hopes for Sanchez and feel he’ll only get better.
2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5?
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Another season bites the dust
Lets face it guys if the Jets ever go to the superbowl I’m going to build a bomb shelter and start storing food cause the end of the world will be upon us. Do they have enough players to be successful? absolutely. Does it matter if we lost because the special teams choked? absolutely not. Special teams is as much a part of the game as anything else and the Jets have eternally been creative at finding ways to lose.1-3 in the division with a game against the Cheatriots looming. It’s over. They need to go 6-2 for a chance at a wildcard. If you put the Cheatriots in Jet uniforms and gave them Cheaterchicks illegal game tapes they would still choke. It’s hopeless
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i dont wanna tease or anything but the way the JETS act and acted is so classless and not paying off. Everybody who is playing NYJ plays with a chip on the shoulder.
Thats my view of the Jets Team
I see the Jets as a upper average but not elite team (top 15)
- i trully think its either because of the ny media or smack talk but the Jets are a lil overrated.
Im not one of the Dolphin Fans who believes we gonna win anything in the next 24 month. but i know that blueprint is gonna pay off.
your guys have the better players on paper (still) BUT the dolphins are the 6th youngest team and the Jets are aging on many positions. If Sanchez doesnt turn out to be the franchise – you guys are in trouble.
Miami drafted year after year very bad and made splashs in the FA
- Pace, overrated & overpaid
- Scott, overrated & overpaid
- Faneca, overrated & overpaid
You guys used to pick amazing talent in the draft, Reevis, Harris, Fergueson, …
- I have no clue why the Jets feel like they have to win now, not gonna happen
the next 1-2 years will belong to the Patriots. So you better get your roster straight for 2011. if I check the Jets roster i see a lot of player who will be gone, retired or over the hump for example both DE are 32 and no replacement in sight. Jenkins is a beat bout wont get younger.
Thomas Jones and Leon Washington are studs, instead of paying overrated big mouth system players – pay your real playmakers.
so if you compare that formula with the one miami is using, building from the draft + just sweaped the Jets (in the ugliest game i ve ever seen) i would start over again with a young qb under centre.
DE Langford, Merling , Starks
NT Soliali
MLB Crowder
OLB Wake, Moses
FS Culver, Clemons
CB Davis, Smith, Jones, Allen
OLine
there is youth all over the roster. Do we lack talent? hell yeah, but give me No. 1 WR, Ricky Williams replacement (if not already on the roster (Hilliard)), TE, playmaker ILB and we are talking Contender in 2-3 years.
I dont know if hiring Rex Ryan was a misthakes but a more realistic HC who teaches the players disciplin would suit you guys better – short & long time.
The Fins won both games by disciplin and attitude.
amen
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The reason the Jets are true losers
1st to Calvin Pace – In the first meeting the WC ran all over the jets and the defense couldn’t stop it. After the game he called it “nonsense”, getting suspended for 4 games for steriods is nonsense. Herm Edwards said it best, “You play to win the game”. You win by scoring more points than your opponent legally. The WC is legal, steriods are illegal. 2nd to Bart Scott – Aren’t there 3 phases to football? offense, defense, and special teams. The reason the jets will all ways be losers is they don’t lose will grace. They talk trash about the team that beat them, the Dolphins didn’t talk trash about the Colts, the Chargers or the Saints, 3 games they should have won. jets fans are no better, when you gat beat, you get beat take it like a man. No other team or thier fans respect the jets or their fans, when they win, all in your face, but when they lose, jets and jets fans speak negative about the team that beat them. That’s what children do. The jets will never be champions because they don’t keep their composure like champions when they lose. P.S. I lowercased the jets because that’s what they are, a lower case team with lowercase fans.
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