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Can Rex Buck the Jets Coaching Trend?

Taking a break from Braylon Edwards, the New York Observer has an interesting article talking about the grooming Rex Ryan received from his father making a difference between he and other first year Jets coaches who got off to fast starts.

Al Groh went 4-0 as the Jets’ new coach, then 6-1, on his way to 9-7. Bill Parcells went 8-4, on his way to 9-7. Herman Edwards went 10-6 and got lit up by the Raiders in the playoffs. Eric Mangini—Mangenius!—went 10-6 and got lit up by the Patriots in the playoffs.

And Brett Favre—not a new head coach, but last year’s new idea—swaggered to an 8-3 start, then limped to defeat in four of the final five. With that, the Mangenius era ended, in a flurry of tar and feathers.

So Rex Ryan is another fast starter. That doesn’t make him any different from those who’ve gone before. What sets him apart, not only for Jet fans but for a wider tribe of people who love a particular kind of football, is where he fits into another historical lineage: He is Buddy Ryan’s son, and he could be Buddy Ryan’s heir.

What is that inheritance? The elder Ryan went 55-55-1 as an NFL head coach, never winning a playoff game. Don’t dwell on the head-coaching record. John Gruden and Brian Billick have won Super Bowls. Buddy Ryan was only the defensive coordinator of the 1985 Bears (and the defensive line coach of the Jets team that beat the Colts in Super Bowl III). They carried him off the field after the Super Bowl, after the Bears had given up a total of 10 points in three playoff games.

Whenever a Buddy Ryan team lined up, you were going to see something happen. His defense was a conceptual revolution, attacking instead of reacting, players storming the backfield in unpredictable combinations and from all angles. Nearly 25 years later, as offenses spread wider and receivers keep multiplying, teams are still trying to run away from the ’85 Bears.

There's definitely something to this. I was calling for the Jets to hire Ryan even before Mangini was fired in no small part because of the education he got from his father. There's more to it, though. You could argue Groh learned from Bill Parcells, Edwards from Tony Dungy, and Mangini from Bill Belichick. You'd be right. A huge difference is the experience factor.

\We see it in the NFL all the time. Teams are looking for the next hot guy before anybody else notices them. They want to look as smart as the Steelers did when they unearthed Mike Tomlin. The problem is there aren't many Tomlin's out there. A lot of head coaches in this league are underqualified. Ryan's different. He learned his craft from the ground up and paid his dues. He's got a lot of experience in the league and got the job on his own merit, not based on what Dungy or Belichick thought of him. He came in with a plan because he prepared to be a head coach.

I think he's the real deal. Do you think Ryan is, or is he next Groh/Edwards/Mangini?

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Think he is the real deal. Always had a great deal of respect for his father & the 46 defense. They talk a little too much for my taste (but they are funny, lol), but it seems like Rex can get his players to go through a brick wall for him, just like his old man. Of the three other fast starters, Groh wasn’t here long enough (think he could’ve been a pretty good coach for a few years, if they recovered from that DET FG, lol), Mangini was canonized as a disciple of Belichik (I wanted him too) and turned into a mang-idiot, and Edwards was a good motivator but couldn’t manage a game.

by cmf1994 on Oct 8, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Well that depends

on what constitutes success. Let’s be clear what we’re talking about here. 9 or 10 wins and a wild card seed (in a couple of cases the AFC east title) are not enough for the intents of our discussion. We’ve survived the wild card round at least once under those guys, so I assume you mean something more.

So what is enough, a deep playoff run like with Testaverde under center, resulting in at the very least an AFC championship appearance? Or will he only be considered a success if he goes to and wins the superbowl?

I’m not sure he can live up to those standards, especially with the Jets history of avoiding the big one. Even if he is perfect as a coach there are so many mitigating factors that he may never come close to a super bowl, which seems to be what we’re talking about.

So I guess the answer to your question is a verbal shrug.

by Bro Namath on Oct 8, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Without a single doubt, the real deal

When Mangini was in the hot seat, Spagnulo was a name being tossed around for jets head coach. I liked that because he is a defensive minded guy (tho, now I can’t help but wonder if it was more the elite talent he had with the giants or coaching ability). Then when Rex got the nod, I was 10x more thrilled, because here is a guy who is the mastermind behind the most punishing defense in the NFL. There is no doubt he has great coaching ability, because Rex has created a beastly defense using Mangini’s guys! If you have a great defense, you are always a contender on any given Sunday. Looking back at the Saints game, we were never out of the match because our defense played better than their offense. With Sanchez developing into a franchise QB, and the final piece of the puzzle, WR addressed, there is no reason why we can’t think “hey, we may actually have a shot at the big game this year!” The defense will make up for any rookie QB shortcomings, and those shortcomings will steadily and rapidly decrease throughout the course of the season. And that highlights one more thing about Rex that Groh and Edwards couldn’t do – maximize the potential of every single player on the field. Especially considering how great the defense was without Ellis in week 1, without Pace, and with an injured secondary who sat out against the Saints. When a team has effective interchangeable parts, it is a mark of a championship caliber team.

by TeamJets on Oct 8, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

How good is your GM?

A team’s success is dependent on the QB, Coach, and GM. IMHO you guys have a decent coach and QB , though I’m not as familiar with the Jets as I am with the Giants. With the G-men we have a good QB in Eli Manning, a Good coach in Tom Coughlin, and a good GM in Jerry Reese. So we have a good 1-2-3 punch which I think is key to success in the NFL.

by John W on Oct 8, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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