New York Jets Pass Offense vs. Miami Dolphins Pass Defense
by John B on Oct 28, 2009 9:30 AM EDT
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I think it's fair to say the coaching staff lost a bit of confidence in Mark Sanchez after the 5 interception performance against the Bills. The almost 4-1 run to pass ratio indicates that. So do the almost exclusively safe, simple reads he was given on the pass plays. The Jets are probably going to run first and second, but they'll need more from Sanchez this week. They won't be able to run the ball on Miami's physical front to the degree they did on Buffalo and Oakland.
The Jets should have some areas to exploit in the passing game. Braylon Edwards had that big debut a few weeks back working against Miami's secondary. He'll work against rookie Sean Smith. The Dolphins need the big and athletic Utah product to hold Edwards in check. If Edwards goes off like he did in the first meeting, Miami will have to double him.
On the other side, Jerricho Cotchery will probably be back for this one. He'll operate against rookie Vontae Davis. Starter Will Allen is gone for the season for Miami with a torn ACL. Davis has looked pretty good for the Dolphins and has plenty of athletic ability, but the Jets have to like this matchup. Cotchery was getting open even when he was the focal point of the opposing passing game, and he'll have the opportunity to work against a guy making his first NFL start and who is still learning technique at the position.
David Clowney has put up a big performance in two of the past three contests. He burned the Dolphins deep in Miami and will see action against a relatively slow straight line corner, Nate Jones.
The real question is whether the real Dustin Keller will please stand up. The Dolphins have had trouble with athletic tight ends this year. There may be no bigger disappointment on the team than Keller. This is a matchup made in heaven for him. Channing Crowder and Akin Ayodele are subpar linebackers in coverage. Neither Gibril Wilson nor Yeremiah Bell is spectacular as safeties. Edwards and Clowney will have a great chance to force those safeties to stay deep and give Keller room against the linebackers.
The offensive line will need to hold up against Jason Taylor, Joey Porter, and Cameron Wake. Sanchez will need to have it in his head that throwing it away quickly instead of forcing a throw under pressure is not a bad thing.
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Someone is dreeeeeamming........
How is it that a Miami fan can come in here and be the first person to respond? Especially after its been up for a couple of hours? Gotta work on those fans……
Keep in mind Miami owns the Jets with victories in our last 2 meetings. Miami is going to come into this game with a chip on their shoulder after your HC decided to blame his defense for losing the game, without giving credit to Miami at all. That usually doesn’t sit well with teams.
Edwards had a good game against us, but has struggled since, despite being targeted by Sanchez quite a bit. Leon Washington was a killer, he ate us alive every time we have faced him….with his elusiveness. Shonn Greene doesn’t bring that same trait, and is more of a Younger Thomas Jones clone….big and powerful, straight ahead runner (from what I’ve seen anyway).
I expect the dolphins to stack the box against you, and make Sanchez beat us in the secondary….. Sanchez has definitely come back to earth, and I hopefully our young CB’s can get a couple Pick 6’s.
See you on Sunday.
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by Fr8Train on Oct 28, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How is it that a Miami fan can come in here and be the first person to respond?
because we don’t need a million comments saying basically nothing like you see in other blogs
and the home of the... JETS!!!
by dvdvil on Oct 28, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
always making excuses to compensate for inferiority.
Dolphins and Gators baby!
by gatorfin on Oct 28, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always having to come over
and make comments that are bound to invoke a reaction.
Just talk about the game, no point coming over just to cause some conflict. Only seems to happen with Dolphins fans.
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by David_Wyatt on Oct 28, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More likely....
I was trying to fire up your fans, so the writer of the article doesn’t feel like he’s writing for noone.
If you look past the first section of my post, 90% of the post was about the game…. but, you choose to focus on the 10% where I asked a simple question.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
by Fr8Train on Oct 28, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking to Gatorfin
and you don’t need to fire any of us up, we know that people read and trust me, we don’t get discouraged if we don’t get 100 replies saying ‘I agree’ or ‘good point’.
Don’t act all innocent and ‘Milton Bradley’ on us, I read the rest of your post and didn’t have anything to respond to it because you didn’t really ask any questions, it’s when another phins fan of yours comes over and calls us inferior that’s where the problems start.
Like I said only problems arise when we play the Dolphins and there hollier than thou fans come over and put more emphasis on wins against the Jets than the overall record of their football team. True you have the win this season but we have the 4-3 record and to us, in the long run of the season, the record is all that matters.
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by David_Wyatt on Oct 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd bet a beer we end up with a better record than you
by the end of the season.
Keep in mind, the reason fin fans come here at all..is only because we get the shit talking fans over on our blog….that can’t even complete a simple sentence, without cussing out a fire storm.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
by Fr8Train on Oct 28, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moral high road
why stoop to the level.
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by David_Wyatt on Oct 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I offered a Beer if you beat us :)
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
by Fr8Train on Oct 28, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miami will own
You guys this time around. Just make sure Mark Sanchez shares his hot dogs with Rex so he won’t be so bitter after a second loss, at home.
"I guess you call that maybe a male menopause...." - Bill Parcells upon taking over the Dolphins in December of 2007
by bingram on Oct 28, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Miami fans sure talk a lot
for a team that’s 2-4, and pretty much out of the playoff race. Look at your schedule, you’re done, whether you win this week or not. You’ve got NE twice, plus Pittsburgh, Houston, and you still have to go to Buffalo in the cold. You’d have to go 8-2 just to get to 10-6, which doesn’t guarantee a playoff spot anyway. Good luck with that! You benefited from an easy schedule last year, and this year you’re toast, as many have predicted. You have not one wide receiver that would start for 85% of the teams in the NFL, and your D is merely average. Get over yourselves, or learn to talk smack when you have something to back it up with.
by Mackey Sasser on Oct 28, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Considering we're not expecting to be good until next year
We’re just fine with our results this year.
If you want to beat the Miami Dolphins this year, you better plan on scoring 34 pts or more, as that is what we are averaging with Chad Henne at the helm…. You guys know first hand, as does New Orleans and great defense.
Its no secret the only thing keeping us from winning every week is our secondary. And that will be solved probably in the offseason. We have 2 rookie CB’s playing (the only team in the NFL brave enough to start 2 rooks in that position mind you), and they are playing great. We are well aware that our Receivers are big bunch of #2 WR’s. However, how a Jets fan talks about this is almost hysterical, as your roster was the same until you acquired Mr Drops-a-Lot Edwards from the Browns…..
As for our schedule, its not as bad as you seem to think. The Patriots are a shell of their dynasty….we’ve beaten you and Buffalo, and will beat you and Buffalo again. We’re pretty much slated to go 5-1 (we’ll split with NE) in our division…. and we’ve proven we can stay in the game, and should have won the games against the 2 best offenses in the league (New Orleans and Indy)…
Fear Not my boy. Miami is here to stay. We weren’t even expecting to be good until next year… and man oh man, do we have your #……. This team is real.
As for you…
or learn to talk smack when you have something to back it up with
31-27 Miami Victory over the New York Jets.
Maybe you can come back when you have something other than a loss record against us to speak of. Keep in mind, this 2-4 team put up 31 points against you……and won.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
by Fr8Train on Oct 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You weren't supposed to be good THIS year?
You guys were 11-5 last year…not sure I really understand what you mean by that.
2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5?
2009-2010 Dallas Mavericks: 57-25
If someone could make for me and send to me a joint Cowboys/Jets avatar, I'd really appreciate it. :D
by Grady90 on Oct 28, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We weren't supposed to be good this year.
its looks like I typed that grammatically correct? What didn’t you understand?
We went from a 1-15 season to 11-5…. teams don’t do that in the NFL. Sure it was great that we accomplished the greatest turn around of all time, and of course you’d expect the only undefeated team in history to accomplish such a feat…..but really, we should have been at best 6-10, or 8-8.
This year, in our 2nd year of rebuilding, we should legitimately be an 8-8 or 9-7 team, IF everything goes our way. Keep in mind, this team expected to still have Chad Pennington at QB, and Henne taking over next year….so our offense is completely based on Chad Pennington’s skill set. Next year, with a full offseason committed to Henne, we’ll be in a much better place.
Our accomplishments this year is a a bonus….we shouldn’t have been competitive last year, and this year only mildly competitive….. since we are VERY competitive, it only goes to show how dominating we’ll be starting next year….
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
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by Fr8Train on Oct 28, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it
Any team in the league can use the ‘we would be good if only (add part of the team that is not doing the job) was better’. You think we expected to be great having a rookie QB and a rookie HC, and now losing one of the best NT’s in the game and a explosive weapon on offence. A lot of fans would of been and still would be happy with a 8-8 season. We expect to be a lot better next season as well.
Edwards really hasn’t dropped a great deal, Buffalo were covering him with two and even three backs and Sanchez was forcng the ball in there and now we have adapted. Sanchez threw 15 balls on Sunday, it has nothing to do with Edwards dropping any passes. The only thing hysterical is your whole argument, we can’t make the assessment that your team needs a wide receiver? you come over looking for discussion and then when someone makes a valid point on your team, and why you are sitting at 2-4 you start with the attacks.
If you want a discussion then Jets fans will be more than happy to oblige with polite conversation, but if you can’t take criticism about your team then just don’t bother. We took it after you defeated us and their were actually decent Dolphins fans on here making valid points about where we needed to improve, and we had a good conversation and everyone left happy.
So if you are going to deal out criticism to a team with a better record then be prepared to have the analytical finger pointed back towards your own team. If you can do that, then let’s have a good discussion ahead of what promises to be a good game.
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by David_Wyatt on Oct 28, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was one of those Miami fans you speak of....
It was a good conversation, and continues to be.
And Miami fans are quite aware we need a true #1 WR. I didn’t deny that. As a matter of fact I stated we were well aware that we have a roster of #2 WR’s.
We’re sitting at 2-4 because we played 2 of the most potent offenses in the league, and had them sweating with 3 minutes to play…. our Defense is a weakness, more so the middle of the secondary….I think our Corners are playing just fine, even as rookies.
If Dustin Keller would actually show up for a game, you could torch us there, as our Safeties are just atrocious.
Our O-Line handled you fairly well last time we met…with the loss of Jenkins, we expect to be even more dominant…. and Leon Washington, who has always given us problems (huge loss to you btw), won’t be in the game, so one less threat to worry about. I see Greene as more of a T. Jones clone in his running style, or am I incorrect in that?
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
by Fr8Train on Oct 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were
just had a look over it, so hopefully we can have a similar one, obviously hoping for a different result.
Your not far off with Greene, but he is more explosive than people give him credit for, Jones is a tough runner, but he does have a tendency to dance around a little, where as Greene as soon as he sees the daylight he is hitting it and you better wrap him up because if you try and shoulder him down. He won’t go down, I think he has over 1000 yards after contact in his final year in college.
True about Keller, he has been the most disappointing player for me this year, he doesn’t look as explosive as he was last year, and he and Sanchez are really not on the same page. Last week we saw again them get muddled up, Keller hooked and Sanchez though he was cutting to the outside. We can’t have those kind of mistakes against you guys.
I was impressed with your O-line last time, and Im definitely worried about the run game up the middle without Jinx. Pace is looking better and now seems to be up to full speed, we can’t over pursue against you, otherwise Williams and Brown will run riot. You guys have been the only offence that has really given us trouble, Saints beat us, but there defence scored most of their points.
I think it will be a run, run, run type game from both teams. We had a 4:1 ratio of runs to passes against Oakland on Sunday. Not sure if you are a superstitious guy but we are also very good in 1:00 starts, think we are 10-1 over the past few seasons. Someone on here has the stats, but can’t right now remember who it is.
How do you think your rookie corners will play against Edwards and Cotcheryshould be back, not going to be a easy task, but Vontae showed a lot of ability in college.
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by David_Wyatt on Oct 28, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All that matters
is your overall record. You’re 2-4, last place in the division. LAST PLACE. Behind Buffalo. You won on your home field vs. the Jets in the last 10 seconds of the game. You’re supposed to protect your home field in division, and that’s what you did, big deal. If Rex Ryan managed his timeouts a little better, you might be 1-5. Bottom line, if you lose this week the season is over, and you know it. I hope you are back here posting again Sunday afternoon, fr8train.
by Mackey Sasser on Oct 28, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jets lost to Miami and the Bills...
And you want to talk about position in the division? Seriously?
We’ve already played the hard part of our schedule. Our upcoming schedule is not as bad as you want to believe it is.
NYJ – Win – We should win this game, even you can admit that.
NE – Loss (We typically split with NE, so lets say Loss)
TB – Win
CAR – Win
BUF – Win
NE – Win (again, we usually split with them)
JAC – Win
TEN – Win
HOU – Loss
PITT – Loss
That puts us at 9-7… which I’ll take this year. We very well could be tied with you for 2nd in the division, but we’ll have the tie breaker, since you can’t beat anyone in the division.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
by Fr8Train on Oct 28, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that
By the end of the season, we will be able to take Houston or Pitt too. But nonetheless, we will fare better in the division against the Jests.
"I guess you call that maybe a male menopause...." - Bill Parcells upon taking over the Dolphins in December of 2007
by bingram on Oct 28, 2009 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
You beat us out by one score and you were at home. It’s pretty even for Sunday, we already beat the Patriots at home and we play well in New England, and I have no doubts that we will beat Buffalo away. If it were not for a very stupid hold by Hartsock we would of still beaten them at home even after a performance of epid bad proportions from Sanchez. So it’s quite possible we finish the division record at 4-2. I don’t think that you can categorically say that you ‘will’ fare better, you ‘may’ fare better.
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by David_Wyatt on Oct 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if we fare the same, we still win the tie breaker
Assuming we beat you this week….. which we have a strong chance of doing.
It will be a good game……our teams match ups always are.
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by Fr8Train on Oct 28, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some fans are acting like it's already won
Which is most definitely is not. You were the home team and won by one score, it’s not like you blew us out by 40 points.
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by David_Wyatt on Oct 28, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This will be interesting for the Jets.
The first game they lost, to NO, they were beat by a better team, it is what it is. Miami handled us, and I even went as far to call the wildcat a gimmick last time. It is, but not for Miami. It is a gimmick for anybody else. I was wrong. Miami handled us, but that is a totally other type of offense that noboby else can run like that. Like David said, Miami was the only team to handle our defense. The Buffalo game was bad, no doubt. Sanchez played his first cold weather game and he got his ass kicked. He couldn’t handle the wind and the cold and he got worked. If this happens again I will start to be nervous. As it is, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to a rookie playing in a meadowlands style wind game for the first time.
I think our defense has the edge over almost any “normal” offense. The Jets lost 2 special circumstances games. They got raped by the wildcat, which they will only see twice a year, and lost a flukey game against Buffalo that they should have won despite the 5 picks. Thats why the Oakland game was big for me. They stink, sure, but last years Mangini Jets would have laid an egg going into Oakland in a must win game. I think the Jets are still a good team. Their defense can neutralize most offenses, and they can run the ball. It will almost always come down to Mark Sanchez.
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by nrmax88 on Oct 31, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Dolphins fans are so ignorant.
Please, you beat us with 6 seconds left congratulations, the reality is your 3 games behind in the division, any team can beat any team on any given sunday so your prediction is useless. Yes, Miami has a dominant running game, but your starting 2 rookie cb’s and it’s not because the phins are bold it is because will allen tore his ACL. The Jets o-line is gelling and look for Schotty to give Sanchez short high accurate passes like the Oakland game. In addition, Pace is really putting it together. (he was non existant in the first meeting) Don’t expect Ginn to catch another 50 yard bomb, and our o-line is doing great right now… Look for Rex to adjust big time to the Wildcat, I will be suprised if the Phins score anywhere near 31 again.
by Jerrad p on Oct 28, 2009 11:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where to start.
Yes, we beat you with 6 seconds left….. thats called a Win. If we scored a winning touchdown with 15 minutes left…you know what thats called? a Win. Shocker.
The Any Given Sunday comment, is a quote that is usually used by either teams with a horrible horrible record, or teams with a great record playing against teams with a horrible record. Its nothing more, and parity in the league isn’t what it used to be.
Noone expects Ginn to make a 50 yard catch…hell Miami fans didn’t expect him to catch that one. Typically it would bounce off his hands into someone elses, or he would have fallen down after catching it…or found a way to run out of bounds from the middle of the field. Trust us….we aren’t expecting Ginn to carry this team.
Look, if you are comparing what your offense did against Oakland, and using that as a basis for what to expect in the future? thats insane. Everyone (but Philly) does well against Oakland. They are a bad bad team.
Rex can adjust all he wants to the Wildcat, noone has seen all of it yet. Hell, there are 3 basic plays out of the wildcat. The same 3 plays we’ve run all year and last year. The same 3 plays we used against you the first time. He’s seen tons of tape, everyone in the NFL knows the same 3 plays….. and yet, game after game, after game…big gains, big TD’s, and we don’t get stopped. Its not just the formation, its the execution by our players. Its like saying, “Well, we’ve seen Andre Johnson run a slant route…..so we’ll adjust and stop him”…really? good luck.
I doubt we score 31……probably 28…
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
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by Fr8Train on Oct 29, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the first game
the defense was there where they were supposed to be against the wildcat and overall, for the most part.
there were some plays where we just looked totally lost, but mostly, they just didn’t make the tackles.
so it looks to me like rex knows where to put his players.
they just didn’t execute.
he’s got a tougher job this time around though without jenkins.
and the home of the... JETS!!!
by dvdvil on Oct 29, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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