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Bills 16 Jets 13 (Overtime): Searching for Answers

The Jets dropped a home game today to one of the worst teams in football. This is a team that lost last week to a quarterback who went 2 for 17. This is a team that lost to Eric Mangini's pathetic Browns. Every football team has at least one loss each season that just leaves you scratching your head. This one fits the bill for the Jets


More after the jump.

Star-divide

The Bad:

Mark Sanchez: This was as bad as it gets for a rookie. 10 for 29, 119 yards, no touchdowns, and 5 interceptions. He frankly looked lost out there. His decision making was terrible. His accuracy was way off. It seemed like the cold weather got into his head. It didn't seem like the California kid could grip the ball, the second time he was having trouble in two bad weather games.

Ok, we got that out of the way. Please go easy on the rookie. There's no tougher transition in the game than playing quarterback one year in college and in the pros the next. There are days he will look great like he did when he outplayed Tom Brady in Week 2 or when he led his team from a deficit twice in the fourth quarter in a road game on national television last week. Unfortunately there are also going to be days like today when the speed and skill of the pro game overwhelms him because he's not used to it. Even Peyton Manning had them. Don't act like one game defines his career.

Did you want Sanchez back in April? If you did, you had to know there would be days where his play would be miserable this year. That's just part of the deal. Don't call for his benching. He needs to learn. Baptism by fire. Doing that would be so short sighted. I still say he's better than Kellen Clemens.

The fake field goal or bad snap: This was just a really, really stupid call. With the game on the line, you can't ask Steve Weatherford to hit a 13 yard pass. He's not used to throwing it. That was a crazy risk on that spot on the field and one that wasn't going to work out. If it was just a bad snap and a field goal call from the bench, that's still not a great play. A 50 yard kick in the Meadowlands wind probably wasn't happening. The play is to line up with Feely holding and Weatherford as the kicker. Direct snap it to Weatherford, and let him pooch it with no returner deep. Flip field position and let your defense win the game.

Dustin Keller: A couple of drops. A killer penalty in overtime. Awful week in a quiet year for a guy who was supposed to break out this season.

Ben Hartsock: There's just no excuse for that holding penalty in overtime. Let Thomas Jones get tackled. Don't hold. It's still a shorter field goal try.

Calvin Pace: Bad penalty in overtime. Didn't do well in pass coverage. Cheap shot to take out Trent Edwards. I understand defenses take pride when they knock a quarterback out of the game, but that's only on a clean hit. He threw Edwards down when the play was over. That's a great way to put a target on Mark Sanchez's back in the second meeting.

James Ihedigbo: Cost the Jets 15 yards to start the fake field goal drive in overtime because he lost his cool and threw a punch. Don't you think the Jets could have used that yardage and kicked a 35 yarder instead of a 50 yarder. I really hate to call for a man's job, but Ihedigbo deserves to be cut tomorrow. He let down his teammates in a big way. When everything was on the line, he selifishly decided his own retaliation was more important than his 51 teammates. There's no room for that on the team. Nobody is bigger than the New York Jets. His job is to contribute on special teams. Today he showed that the team can't count on him. This wasn't a mistake on the field when he was trying to do his best like Mark Sanchez. This was a conscious decision. Nice story he made the team undrafted from UMass. He of all people should understand playing in this league is not a right.

Third quarter play calling: You're going into the wind. It's affecting your quarterback. He's got no confidence. He's throwing it up for grabs. He's inaccurate. Why throw it deep twice? That's asking for two interceptions.

The Defense: This is supposed to be an elite unit. You need to stop Ryan Fitzpatrick in a key spot in your building. You just have to.

The Good:

Thomas Jones: What can you really say? 22 carries for 210 yards. He carried the load offensively.

Leon Washington: 18 offensive touches for 145 yards.

The Offensive Line: They were consistently getting a push all game and winning battles. You don't run for 318 yards without a dominant performance by the offensive line. This unit is really rounding into form. They're starting to live up to their four first round pick billing.

Darrelle Revis: After a couple of early penalties, we didn't hear from Terrell Owens at all. Another man who went to Revis Island and was never heard from again.

Sione Pouha: He was controlling the point of attack before Kris Jenkins got hurt and consistently got a push after Jenkins left injured.

Vernon Gholston: I made it a point to focus on Gholston today. I really liked what I saw. He showed good power moves as a pass rusher. The Jets lined him up on the nose a few times in obvious passing downs. He flushed Ryan Fitzpatrick from the pocket a few times and generally made him uncomfortable. He understood his assignments on running plays and did a good job containing. It seemed like he really knew what he was doing, which was good considering how raw and lost he looked a year ago. Should we expect more from a top ten pick? Yes. Has he shown a lot of improvement? Yes.

Other Thought:

  • Dick Jauron never should have played for a long field goal at the end of regulation. That stadium is known for its crazy wind. He should have kept attacking. He almost cost them a win in the Meadowlands for the second straight year.

This obviously stinks, but it's important to keep it in perspective. The Jets are 3-3. They're still in the thick of the race in the division. They have a better record than the Bills and Dolphins. They are a game behind New England with a head to head win. You may not feel good about the way the team has arrived here. Would you feel better if the club started 0-3 and won three straight? Maybe, but the Jets would be in exactly the same spot.

Well go crazy and let this sink in. No team is ever as good as it looks at its best or as bad as it looks at its worst. Not everything will always click like it did today.

I wrote that after the Week 1 domination of the Texans. The same applies today in terms of the Jets not really being as bad as they looked. This team is better than it looked today. Things won't stay like this all year. Just remember it's a long season. It ebbs and flows. How many times did your perception of last year's team change? This team has the potential to play with anybody in the league like it did with the Pats Week 1. It has the potential to lose to anybody like it did with the Bills today. Just because the Jets look one way one week doesn't mean they will look that way the rest of the year. The Jets are still in decent shape and can turn this around.

I get it. This was a bitter loss, but there's a lot of season left.

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Fake FG?

I watched the Replays, it was a bad snap that Weatherford couldn’t get down in time. At least thats how it looked to me?

by WebBard on Oct 18, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Could be.

In any event, a 50 yarder into that wind wasn’t the best of plays to begin with.

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by John B on Oct 18, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was definitely not a fake FG

You could tell by Feely’s reaction it was a botched snap.

by YankeesJets on Oct 18, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It will be intresting to see how Sanchez responds to this loss.

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There are times in my life wheere I have self-doubt, but when this happens, I simply ask myself: What would Don Draper do? So I bone a random whore.

by Patssuck456 on Oct 18, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He Cant Get Any Worse

If He Plays Worse Than This, I Hope Kellen Clemens Gets Put In The Game.

by YankeesJets on Oct 18, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagreed

We’ve pretty much established Clemens isn’t the answer. Let Sanchez get experience.

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by John B on Oct 18, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im Not Saying Making A Change At QB but..

Even Stafford, the number 1 pick, got pulled after playing poorly. This kids body language is terrible and he is losing confidence by the play. There are other guys on this team that deserve more than the performance he has given two of the last three weeks. Im sorry but if next week he throws 5 picks and we are tied, get him out of there.

by YankeesJets on Oct 18, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try to remember...

…that the Bills went into today’s game minus two starters in the secondary and finished the game minus every starter in the secondary. Sanchez got torn up by the Bills’ reserves. To me that has more of an impact than the cold or the missing receivers. If you get pasted by a bad team’s reserves, you’re not ready to start in this league.

"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England

by Calvert on Oct 18, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He Also Looked Good Against The Pats, Texans, and Titans

Every QB has bad games. Next you will tell me Kevin Kolb Or Mike Vick should be starting for the Eagles after they lost to the Raiders. Sanchez has one big problem. When he makes mistakes he seems to lose confidence while sitting on the bench. He needs to keep his swagger and not dwell on things to much.

by YankeesJets on Oct 18, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pace needs a HUGE FINE maybe even a few games on the bench yet again
Calvin Pace: Bad penalty in overtime. Didn’t do well in pass coverage. Cheap shot to take out Trent Edwards. I understand defenses take pride when they knock a quarterback out of the game, but that’s only on a clean hit. He threw Edwards down when the play was over. That’s a great way to put a target on Mark Sanchez’s back in the second meeting.

Thats because Pace is a total asswhipe and he proved it yet again today.

Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
CP10 you will be missed. Long live noodle arm ! Seriously, a great leader and I hope we see Coach CP10

by MainePhinFan on Oct 18, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

doesn't matter who's team he roots for

he’s just pointing out a poor sportsman when he see’s one.

(mind you I’m not bashing the Jets just Pace here)

But this is a guy who got suspended for using performance enhancers and took a cheap shot at another player, not exactly a role model there

by kozam9707 on Oct 18, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly didnt know who wanted to lose more...

you guys or the biils. Heres the answer, you D-idn’t want it enough! Lost to a team that lost to the Browns. Downright embarrassing.

by g35phin on Oct 18, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Any team can win on any given sunday

The Eagles lost to the Raiders, the Skins lost to the Chiefs. The Rams and Bucs nearly won, and the Titans went from 13-3 to…. I think the Pats just scored again. Fins fans really need to go away.

by YankeesJets on Oct 18, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

very true

that’s why the games are decided on the field and not the stat sheets,

by kozam9707 on Oct 18, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look if Trent Edwards stayed healthy,

there wouldnt have been overtime. You guys have a great D, it just didnt show up tonight.

by g35phin on Oct 18, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

honestly

I really dont think you can blame the loss on the D so much as the coaching. Jones was having a field day out there yet the still kept throwing when Sanchez was clearly just having a shitty night

by kozam9707 on Oct 18, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Kept Screaming At The TV

Stop throwing the ball, keep handing it off, but they couldnt hear me. Schotty is really starting to lose his luster. The D was good, ST’s were not really good either. Could there be a Braylon Edwards Curse? He still hasnt won a game this year.

by YankeesJets on Oct 18, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes you gotta

just ditch the pass happy offense and go for PTR, specifically in cold weather games (this is true for most teams, ignore the pats today)

by kozam9707 on Oct 18, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know its only football but

if I was a member of the Titans Defense I try and hurt Tom Brady. I mean what was he doing out there after the half? The Titans season is over anyway, so why not risk a suspension and end NE’s season too?

by YankeesJets on Oct 18, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cause thats being

a poor sport and generally an asshole. Plus what do you gain from ruining NE’s season? You get fined big time, your team still misses out on the playoffs, you lose out on playing experience for the time that you missed, and its not even like you fucked over your division rival, just a team you played that beat you bad, that still pulled their QB before halfway thru the 3rd

by kozam9707 on Oct 18, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus,

Brady didn’t make the call to go back in, Bellicheat did

by kozam9707 on Oct 18, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Guess I Am A Poor Sport

And You Better Believe Teams Of Yesteryear Wouldve Went After Brady. You think the old Raiders teams wouldve put up with that? Or a guy like Romanowski? I think thats poor coaching, leaving Brady out there in a blowout in that kind of weather.

by YankeesJets on Oct 18, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no doubt

but thats just some players, just like now there are players that would do the same, its just that the modern day fines and punishments serve to prevent it as much as possible

by kozam9707 on Oct 18, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct. It is ONLY football.

The players in the NFL are a relatively small association of professional athletes.It is a close knit fraternity. Although the competition on the field is fearce, the last thing anyone wants to do is inflict a serious injury to a fellow NFL brother. Tom Brady, like all players in the league play because they love the game. He didnt want to leave because he loves to play football. Working on new schemes in the midst of a blowout is part of what all teams do in this league particularly if this is your 5th game back after missing an entire year. Your comment on intentionally trying to do damage to a fellow player just because you are losing a game is indicative of many other comments you have made on this board. Apparently you don’t know that it’s ONLY football.

by CalabasasJetFan on Oct 18, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I was younger and more hotheaded

I used to think like YankeesJets did, but with age, I’ve mellowed. There’s no reason to want to hurt anyone. If you want Brady to stop throwing touchdowns, then stop the offense. I firmly believe that – in the NFL – there’s no such thing as running up the score, because talent levels are pretty even. I see where YankeesJets is coming from, though. It’s easy to get angry when watching games and think things like that – I used to do it all the time.

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Oct 18, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You

Dont Know If I’m With You On The Nickname Though,lol.

by YankeesJets on Oct 18, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha!

Meant to be more ironic than anything, although it seems sometimes like we are forever stuck with that guy as head coach after losses like this.

I see where both you and Calabasas are coming from, I think we’re all just pissed after the Bills game today!

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Oct 18, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Have To Say..

Forget Seeing Brady Hurt, I wanted to hurt Schotty and Keller myself today. I dont know which was worse today. Sanchez has an excuse, hes a rookie, but these guys need to find a clue.

by YankeesJets on Oct 18, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You Obviously Have A Problem With Me

So please Do not reply to my comments anymore. Its only football but I am sure if you were on a team that was 13-3 the year before and now on the way to 0-6 you had to deal with this idiot still throwing, up by that much in the snow, some anger might come out. I wont tell you how I feel about you because I like chatting with the others here and dont want to get banned, so once again please never comment on anything I write again.

by YankeesJets on Oct 18, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My 2 Cents...

The Bad:

The Jets line up in a three receiver set (at least that many) for the whole game, and almost all of those passes were intended for Braylon Edwards! That is just completely unacceptable. Even for a rookie. You can’t ignore your other wide outs because that just signals to the Bills to double cover #17 and they did all day.

You did mention this, but it needs to be said again, HORRIBLE play calling on the offense. Running game actually worked today. Why not short screens and quick inside dump offs to build his confidence, and let the team get involved?

The Good:

Keeping Sanchez in the whole game. I’d rather see his ass kicked all over the place so he has lots of video to look at than pulling him. If you’re gonna start a rookie, then start a rookie. Let him be a man and rally his team to a victory.

The Ugly:

Sanchez on the bench looking all forlorn. You know what Eli and Ryan, and other QBs do in this time? They sit with the O Coordinator, analyze some sill shots, get a read on the D and coral your boys and fire them up for battle. At times, Sanchez looked like he checked out and resigned himself to a loss.

by TeamJets on Oct 18, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 to that

Especially about Sanchez’s reaction on the bench. That troubled me as much as the five picks. He seemed defeated and shaken.

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Oct 18, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most Of Your Points Are On The Money

The one thing I will give to Sanchez is the fact that he basically had a totaly different group of WRs today than he had when he was in camp. Its hard enough for a rookie QB to get on the same page as his WRs. He started the season with Cotchery, Stuckey and Smith, none of those guys played today. And Keller seems like a lost cause. He cant block, he cant catch and he seems like he doesn’t want to get hit.

by YankeesJets on Oct 18, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sanchez

I like the kid, and he’s a rookie, but he flat out cost the team this game. The defense wasn’t great, but the Bills didn’t do much on offense. The running game was fantastic. Special teams stunk today (kind of a recurring theme this season – surprising given Mike Westhoff). But Mark Sanchez did more than any one player or unit to give this game away.

I know that’s not profound or anything, and it’s certainly not exactly an insightful observation. But sometimes the most obvious statement is the most true, and he was simply awful today. I’m worried about his confidence more than anything. He seemed shaken and broken after the loss. Not good. He needs to bounce back in a big way, and maybe go into the dreaded “game manager” mode. He is killing the team with games like this (similar to his New Orleans debacle).

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Oct 18, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bills fan here

I like Rex Ryan (heretical though that may be). I like that he (like a Ryan) speaks his mind, that he acts authentically, and that he is not above taking responsibility for his mistakes. Recently, he had made some big disrespectful comments not giving the other team credit for beating his Jets. This week after the game, he went out of his way to give the Bills credit for winning the game. I love that. I don’t mind that. That is something to respect. I don’t mind the guy doing a duchebaggy thing, and then coming back and correcting the thing he did. When he speaks, he speaks frankly, concisely, even crudely, but also intelligently. He is not a stooge or a fat emotion-crazed dummy of a coach. The man is not two-faced. He won’t sit there like Belicheat and act like a condescending pretentious liar.

I love his Jets (though I’m understandably getting reamed on our site for saying this). Many Bills fans refuse to root for a NY team because they dislike the city, they think it takes too much tax money away and all kinds of stuff like that. Who cares. Your team plays with heart. They are not intimidated, but they do not seem too impressed with themselves every time they walk into a room like the Patriots do. They look like they have fun when they win. The Jets are the one AFC East opponent of ours I can root for without a guilty conscience. They do not stir old hatred like the Dolphins (who we were 0-20 against in the 70s) or new hatred like the Patriots (God, bring them to their knees!).

Mark Sanchez is a hell of a rookie. His grace at his post game press conference drew memories of Earnest Byner’s class after literally fumbling away the 1989 AFC Championship. Sanchez was given repeated outs by the various media to blame the weather or make excuses, and he not only refused them, he pointedly rejected those excuses. You’d rather not have him throw 5 INTS, but your rookie QB is playing better than many veteran QBs and has a much brighter future than Edwards!

Stay out of our way, but if (and when) the Bills drop fully out of contention, I will not feel bad rooting for this Jets team to take the division.

Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged

by Dyl on Oct 18, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Said With Class

Perhaps the Bills have been disrespected a little bit too. Sure they lost to the Browns, but they had the Pats beat and they lost to a Dolphins team that does look pretty good and is the defending division champ.

by YankeesJets on Oct 18, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we have to earn the respect in order to get it, and that’s not happening until we clean out the gutters and the funk of the past ten years. The last time we deserved respect as an organization was 1999 when Wade Phillips led the No. 1 defense in the NFL and a little guy named Doug Flutie was working his magic. God, for those days.

Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged

by Dyl on Oct 18, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TRAITOR!

BENEDICT ARNOLD!

Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!

by fansince83 on Oct 19, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This obviously stinks, but it’s important to keep it in perspective. The Jets are 3-3. They’re still in the thick of the race in the division.

No your not, lets be honest here, while your win against the Pats was nice and while i was cheering for y’all during it the race is over and you guys are getting the bronze medal. The schedule get’s much harder now with only 3 gimme wins against the Buc Bills and Raiders.

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Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
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by TearsofaClown on Oct 19, 2009 5:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The season is over. Get ready for 3-13.

I don’t want to be a pessimist but it is almost impossible to allow a 1-4 team, in complete disarray, that hadn’t scored a touchdown in 2 weeks, with a backup quarterback, to come into your home field, score a touchdown and win. Almost impossible, but this is the Jets. This game was a total disgrace. I don’t see how the Jets beat ANYONE going forward. Including next week. Forget it. I’m done. I’ll spend Sunday fixing things around the house rather than expect this team to win anything else this year. We’re not even halfway into the season and we’re already saying maybe next year. Incredible. I guess everybody’s right, same old Jets.

by Johnny Clam on Oct 19, 2009 7:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Salt in the Wound

The Bills’ secondary in the second half and overtime was entirely backups. McKelvin and Scott didn’t play. McGee and Whitner were hurt early and never returned. You’d think the Jets could have exploited that.

by Rick A on Oct 19, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't Ihedigbo who threw the punch

It was Murrell… #94. The refs called 44, but watching the replay it was clear it was #94. You should call for his head if you like but you should retract what you said (an get better about being sure about watching replays before you call for a guy to be cut!)

by sperry8 on Oct 19, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rex Ryan: Another loser in a long line of loser Jet coaches.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Jets win if Rex Ryan scores points for asinine comments.

by Dane G on Oct 19, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How many times

Are you going to post the same “witty” remark?

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Oct 19, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sanchez looked sad on the bench

Because he’s not used to losing and now it’s 3 in a row but I hope he doesn’t turn into Vince Young when the fans star booing him in bad games becaue the last thing the jets need is to have a number one pick that loses his head and ends up a bust, too much invested in him. I hope Rex is right and he bounces back but only time will tell.

by smalljaw on Oct 19, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cold

He also looked cold. Buffalo has the same problem with Trent. California boys don’t like the cold wind, rain, and snow.

Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!

by fansince83 on Oct 19, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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