I would like to get John B's (and other NY fans) opinions on Pace's words after the game

the Jets defense was the same as it always is this season, but the Dolphins have the better offense. It’s always them beating themselves, never getting beat by a better team. You can wonder that all you want, Grady90, but we beat the Jets, the Jets didn’t beat themselves.

It’s been around for a full season and offseason and the jets have faced it once last year. Also, it’s the same damn 4-5 plays that they run out of it, I mean, if it was a gimmick to trick people to going the wrong direction teams would’ve figured out how to stop it. But, it’s just blocking and running the ball, there is no quick fix d for it, you have to beat the man in front of you and make the tackle and no one has done that this year.

Its a formation. Simple. Nothing different in general then 5 wide or 4 wide or wildcat. Its a FORMATION. Gimmick plays are flea flickers.. multi laterals in hopes to win a game by fluke. The wildcat is not a fluke.

The Jets, as well as ALL NFL teams have had a year to figure the WC out. And its not its “gimmick” status that makes it work. Also.. in saying its a gimmick play then you just pretty much said your team got owned by a gimmick play that can be stopped easily. Thats not much faith in your defense or your team. The WC is a formation and it is here to stay. Either suck it up and learn to defend it or just sit back and lose all future games to it.

Also.. didnt you team try to run this “gimmick” play as well? Im sure if the jets gained 100+ yards out of the Semonial (or whatever its called in NY) then you wouldnt be calling it a gimmick play.

Also.. didnt you team try to run this “gimmick” play as well? Im sure if the jets gained 100+ yards out of the Semonial (or whatever its called in NY) then you wouldnt be calling it a gimmick play.Dont be a sore loser like Calvin Pace.. just say “hey good game.. we have got to learn to stop that WC formation fast cus we play you again in 3 weeks”

Also.. didnt you team try to run this “gimmick” play as well? Im sure if the jets gained 100+ yards out of the Semonial (or whatever its called in NY) then you wouldnt be calling it a gimmick play.Dont be a sore loser like Calvin Pace.. just say “hey good game.. we have got to learn to stop that WC formation fast cus we play you again in 3 weeks”

lets examine the word “Gimmick” shall we?

Gimmick – A device employed to cheat, deceive, or trick.

I don’t see where we were cheating, deceiving, or tricking.

A) If we were in a illegal formation or we would get a flag.

B) We weren’ttrying to deceive or trick you at all.

Actually we were telling you what we were gonna do. We’re saying, hey our QB isn’t on the field, we are gonna run this ball. Stop us.

Yes I know I’m going a lil overboard with this, but so did Pace. The fact of the matter is, he got his feelings hurt because unlike being in a regular formation and not knowing if we were gonna run or pass, we were in the WC formation, knew what we were gonna do and still couldn’t stop us.

All this talk about the Wildcat being a gimmick. Last year, sure, it was a gimmick. Mainly because we lacked the personnel to successfully run out of the base formation and because like it or not the opponents weren’t expecting it. So sure, call it a gimmick or a fluke. But hell, this year, we are not only running wild out of the base formation but we are talking the Wildcat to a whole new level. If you are an Xs and Os person or not it doesn’t matter, anyone with any sense of intelligence can see that it is a simple formation were you tell the other team "im going to run right up your gut and I don’t care if you know it". To me, the wildcat is what football is all about; Blocking, running, and being tough. All areas in which we are extremely successful. There was a moment in the 3rd quarter where we ran the wildcat 3 straight times for 20 yards on the ground. Don’t tell me they as a defense didn’t see that coming. We just blocked and ran better than they blocked and tackled. And that is football 101, no gimmick. That’s what makes me mad. This clown is talking about it as if we had some kind of unfair advantage or edge because he couldn’t do his job. Wildcat or not, we were successful running the ball last night because our O-line and Running Backs were far superior than their full-of-thugs defense. Don’t tell me Ricky jumping over a defenders head to go for 3 yards and get the 1st down on the 5 yard line is a product of the "wildcat". We were better than them and period.

As said above, it’s telling defenses what the team is going to do. 1 vs. 1 running and blocking. Successful teams do well in it because their players are BETTER. No trickery involved. Suck it up.

just to be clear, your team DOES run a version of the WC, and I believe it is called “Seminole”. The ran it last night and got stuffed.

Secondly, “trick plays”, as you describe them, work because they fool the other team… they surprise the other team… a la “fake”. The Jets caught the Fins on two “trick plays” last night… fake punts. They worked because you rarely see it, and it caught the STs punt return team off guard.

However, the WC is a formation. You can call it a gimmick, trick, whatever, but an opposing Defense knows EXACTLY what is being run, by the formation, BEFORE the snap. No "fakes, no “surprises”, just power football. It isn’t even as “tricky” as when the QB is still in the backfield and the snap is direct to the RB.

There is, flat out, NO EXCUSE for not being able to defend the WC formation, other than you are just getting beat at the LoS.

As is the rule… as has ALWAYS been the rule in the NFL… if you don’t like it, stop it.

Calling it a “gimmick” or a “trick” is the result of a poor understanding of the fundamentals of American Football.
IMO

and you saw what it did to the colts in week 2