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Chad Pennington had a great season. He is definitely an above average quarterback, who frequently displays pinpoint accuracy and a deft touch on his throws. He is a high character guy, a great leader, and as tough as nails. He can take a team into the Playoffs.

Today, when asked to carry his team on his back against an elite defense and to make tough throws into traffic, he got picked off four times as his team was handily defeated. This is the story of his career. He showed once again that he is not capable of taking a team all the way by himself. Brett Favre is, even if he failed to do so in 2008. That is why the Jets made the trade. That is why it was a good trade. At the end of the day, the difference between missing the Playoffs and going home early is not THAT great, especially after a four decade wait for a championship. 

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said John!!! My sentiments exactly. It may sound bitter, but its reality…

Mets & Jets... It's that simple.

by 31yonkers5 on Jan 4, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

I bet...

if it was the other way around, you wouldn’t be saying that.

by squid92 on Jan 4, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

Sure

If my team hadn’t had a winning season in five years, I’d be thrilled with a division title and one and done, but I want more at this point, and Chad wasn’t the guy to take them there.

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by John B on Jan 4, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair Enough

But you could also say at this point in his career, Favre isn’t as well.

by squid92 on Jan 4, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

I’ll get into it after the new coach is named and we turn our attention to Favre. I personally think his conditioning was an issue, but you might be right.

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by John B on Jan 4, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Brett Favre was capable of doing it ten years ago, not anymore.

I’d love to see evidence refuting this.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 4, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

Last Year...

In Green Bay, Favre and the Packers were 1 win away from the Super Bowl and only lost to the eventual champs. What kind of evidence were you looking for exactly?

by nitro on Jan 4, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe his dominant performance

against the league’s last unbeaten team?

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by John B on Jan 4, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If you'd like to consider the Jets' LAST convincing win of the 2008 season Brett "carrying the team on his back"...

… then you’re fooling yourself. I’m not arguing that Brett cannot explode for a amazing day (not that I would call 224 yards with 2 TD and an INT an amazing day), but he’s obviously not up to leading a team all the way. 8-3 and Brett can’t close it out? He’s old and reckless. Young and reckless won him 3 MVPs. Old and reckless gets the Man-genius fired.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 4, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

And Brett threw the pick to keep them out of that Super Bowl.

As usual. You cannot honestly believe that the future of your franchise is tied to Brett Favre, not when Miami continues to improve and the Patriots will either get Brady back or a seasoned Matt Cassel.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 4, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

All I said was that he can take a team all the way. If you don’t believe that after the way he pounded the best team in the AFC a week after beating an 11 win New England team on the road, I don’t know what to tell you. The Jets were Super Bowl favorites with him at that point (And I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt for questioning the Tennesee game. Your team was playing the Pats in a crucial contest at the time so you probably didn’t see how well he played). In the end he faltered, but there’s a difference between being uncapable and being capable yet not coming through. In the last five games, he looked shot. I personally think that was a product of him not properly training himself this year. He hired a personal trainer the offseason before his monster 2007 season. This year, he came in during the middle of training camp after an offseason of sitting on his couch and running around in shorts with a high school team. There’s a big difference.

I also never said he was the future of the team. Getting past New England will be a major challenge with or without Favre. I never denied that. In the longterm, Favre will not be the solution.

Miami I don’t see as continuing to improve. They just got a career year out of their quarterback, and all it got them was a first round exit. Chad probably takes something of a step back next year, and remember this was only the second time he’s made all 16 starts. Behind them, they have a guy with no experience. It’s a 50-50 bet at best any quarterback pans out. Keeping up with them is not my concern at this point. That team reminds me of the 2006 Jets a lot. They’re in that no man’s land where they are not a bad team but no real threat to any of the contenders.

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by John B on Jan 5, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't even think I got the Titans game on TV.

What amount of physical conditioning in the off-season will counteract the effects of aging at this stage in his career? How would that counteract the mental mistakes? Once again, I am not denying that Favre can rekindle the magic for an afternoon like he did against the Titans, but that showing ultimately did not result in him stringing together such performances and “taking the team all the way.”

As far as Miami continuing to improve, if you view improvement only through the framework of wins and losses, then no, Miami will not “improve” in 2009. The AFC East doesn’t get to play the western divisions next season, and Miami now has to take own two first place teams as well. That is not to say, however, that they will suddenly cease bringing in new talent and developing players already on the team. I think you will see a better Miami Dolphins team, but with a poorer record. I know you don’t believe Parcells will stay, but if he does, he will finish the job.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

word!

+ rec’d

Mets & Jets... It's that simple.

by 31yonkers5 on Jan 5, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  


Someone’s drinkin it.

by nitro on Jan 4, 2009 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

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